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I am going to bed...peace.
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What are you talking about, what straw are you grasping at? What pointless observation are you trying to make...it will be decided by the authorities not you and i...But I assume you are still assuming your shares and notes are still good with muddy hands...i do not think you are correct ...so? Whats your point?
your calcs seem tp include these preferreds you keep referring to...I say they are no good. Period.
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Not yet, doubt I will be doing that.
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Now thats funny, you said this to yourself...lol
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No not evading it i just know your wrong and you probably do as well.
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Sounds good, good luck with that view.
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Catchers mit ready sir thanks for the heads up!
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Where?
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As shultz said....I know notttthhhhiiiinnnngggg.
Lets get back to this:
Joe:
It clearly says that qasp share holders will get 25% of the new entity...my dd confirms this..it sounds like you are doing the RS twice...I do not want to hear what you think it is...the only evidence we have here is that we get 25% now if you have other evidence then please share.
It's like taking all the shares preferred or not putting it all in a big hat and splitting it in 4 parts three parts for the guy bringing all the value and legal team and 1 part for us...now here is where it gets good...the 3/4 are restricted by law (you may not have known that was the law..lol) and when asked if he intended to sell shares in remember this (BULK) he clearly said no. then asked if he intended to raise the OS he said no. When asked if he would be willing to retire any of the shares he said not immediately but as time goes on he would entertain such an idea.
Now when there is less of something to buy it means it's rarity is increased and that drives the price up...supply and demand. I believe Centaflix has the goods to create plenty of demand...but where is the supply to satisfy that demand...ahhh 3/4 of the shares are off the market.
Your turn.
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Never sold and never...? I'll let you fill in the blank Joe.
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Waiting Joe. My time is valuable.
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explain it to me more clearly so I can understand and I will tell you if you are right. Stop trying to confuse even folks who know how it is...where do you get the buzz calc that you like to throw around of 6.25%? Now be clear so i can straighten you out.
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Reminds me of a old fifties song that had a line in it..."twist and shout"...lol
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In Pennyland? This may be the first...lol
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I am saying that if a RS is necessary which to do the merger it is ...this is the easiest on the shareholders of the company...actually it is brilliant in a simple sort of way.
It will all come clear to you soon enough...before the shareholders vote anything in they will be able to see it all clean and clear so it is all a moot point here to argue...we will see and we will vote our wallets..believe me there will be time to debate what we see. It is of no consequence to sit here and argue it is simple math...JC was called out with filings by Jeff to show the shareholders what is in store for them and it caught JC off guard...JC did not bring that to the board Jeff did for all to see.
JC said all that stuff about never calling a meeting or blah blah blah and Jeff toldthe truth and showed the evidence about JC...Now we get to vote who we want running the company going forward..it is up to each shareholder to vote his and her conscious.
Looking forward to the vote soon.
Cheers.
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You speak with forked tongue or just a lack of dd. Good luck with your negative version of the outcome...it is clear to everyone here that what is bad for you is great for us and what is bad for us is great for you...it is very simple.
The big problem you have is that you can not undo the past it is on record somewhere and the folks looking at you are very good at finding it...Good Luck.
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Don't think so pal.
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Less of something available goes up...thats not bean counting thats business 101.
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Not forever just till not one of us cares...lol
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I understand the whole thing.....ain't that a b*tch?
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I am serious it is designed to inflict as little harm to us as possible and I think the recipe is pretty good, so does my attorney.
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Yeah I am curious too.
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I am serious, my closest contacts will not disclose their own shoe size at the moment and from past experience this is generally good news about to hit...but what do i know...lol
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RS 4/1 and restrict 3/4 of the shares in my opinion forever...essentially not diluting you at all...Then issuing the 3/4 to Centaflix who has already said they have no interest in selling any interest in the company unless somebody gave them a deal like the webex deal at 3.2b.
See when they remove the shares from the float you have 1/4 of the shres but also there is only 375m now in the float...sort of a harmless RS with no intent to raise the OS ever again according to Owens.
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So you sight the saving grace move as continued share selling dilution?
Very weak my friend very weak...lol
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Everybody is being deliciously quiet.
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Show me the "Continue".
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Since the offenses criminal and civil are so blatant I think other remedies are very possible.
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I was speaking more towards a civil litigation mainly, I am not concerned about the criminal aspect, we will be long merged by then and they can take all the time they need...but there is on the criminal side many clear violations of the law and I tink it will never see a criminal court for most dean is old and even a 10 yr sentence is a life sentence...the rest will plead out.
The goal is to keep the expense in the field and make it short and sweet in the courtroom. they do a very thorough job in the field present evidence in discovery to the defense and that when the deal making begins.
I have seen when the evidence is weighted heavily to one side it rarely go's to court, dean may be able to stall it for a year or a year and a half but he will be forced to trial at which time he will take a plea.
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You were doing so well till you got to the I am glad part...But I agree with all the rest before it, good post.
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It largely depends on the complexity of the court proceedings, when reviewing it in detail I do not see the dean/joe team being able to build a foundation for their case and they certainly will not get past the first round of discovery...now i am no attorney but somebody here is if he cares to weigh in on this comment.
I just do not see where they have a leg to stand on from a purely legal basis, if the judge even wanted to rule in their favor he most likely could not because of the letter of the law. You would be asking the judge to break the law to come down on their side of things with regards to the legitimacy of the preferred shares.
Even if Joe were a victim and dean was completely misunderstood there are legal issues and requirements that have not been met-now throw into the mix the fact that neither one has clean hands and have not acted in a fiduciary manner and certainly not without a conflict of interest.
I think this will be very cheap to get rid of in a court room...I am thinking sub $40,000 in actual court time.
Any original document should have the ink checked for aging forensically...not kidding.
The problem I see they have is you can not go back and change things now that have already been exposed to the public or agencies, they have to work within a very impossible framework...The Bollinger Bands are getting very tight on this one and very few moves left for the bad guys.
The preferreds are not legal so anything they did based on the preferreds is not legal and they can not make the preferreds legal...checkmate. All along the way they set their own trap..thats what i meant by saying there is a lot of aikido thought and energy at play here.
I think it is so poetic.
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I know how this happened...folks who were shorting this stock never in a million years dreamed a guy like Owens even existed and it caught you off guard, that is a shame but you have to find a way to come to an agreement with current management to somehow make this nightmare go away.
The train is coming quick, if they do as you say they will do and move it all over to Nh-whatever and leave qasp for dead then if that is the plan there could be a saving grace for you...you need to cover and all know it, that in itself has amazing pps value. But more importantly you need to cover because the feds do not like NSS. Hurry up and cover the shares and we can all be happy in my opinion.
I was sincere when I said i hope you all can come to an agreement regarding this issue...if you are more innocent than guilty then this should happen but I have my doubts that an agreement can be reached at this point but it is worth a call.
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Remember Joe in the PM? What assets? What you are afraid of is that there will be assets in the stock soon imo. That would make the pps rise in a big way and of course doing a RM requires a share count, two things YOU do not want.
I tried to be nice but all I got was more tap dancing...
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I asked you to lay it out to me but all you want to do is send me copies of suspect pfds, that tells me nothing that I already do not know. tell me something i do not know...really doubt you can, i do my DD here.
Would you like to try again?
PM me.
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You should let the folks know what the missing piece is Joe. I doubt you know but would be glad to hear what you think it is...
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Bingo!
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Ummm...because something is right or wrong morally?
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Thank you sir.
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Ah yes sorry.
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