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Face it he has to live just like every one else, most of his wages are wrapped up in the stock. Out of every one at ACTC he is the one I would want to make sure was paid 1st...
Lanza walks thats that end of ACTC far as I am concerned!
I have shares from 2007, 2008 I felt the pain how is wiping out the rest of my investment protecting my interest? Sounds like the SEC just wants in on the deal to gets its fair share of the scam.
I have been lurking around for years here and what Rocky has stated is 110% on the money, I even thought he was basher at times but then watched his concerns come to light more than once and learned that his DD was far more superior to mine and I was running more on emotion and hype than Due Diligence.
I for one am very thankfull that he has been around keeping it 4 real! Thanks Rocky301 your community service has been a blessing to many of us here!!!
I my self have a big problem with this!!
I think a R/S to 5.00 is acceptable but any thing over especially 10.00 will be imposable to hold with no money coming in and where we are in the trials atm.
IMO any thing split OVER the 5.00 will come back down to the 4.00 / 5.00 range so if GR does a 1/80 split and puts us at 12.00 pps its not going to be pretty...
Never disagreed with ACTC or the R/S its a positive thing, I am just saying a reduction in shares effects ones position a bit more than turning 5 20s into 100 bucks.
1st off I think a R/S was needed but your 100.00 or 5 20.00s thing just don't hold water try having a .25 run with 100k shares or a .25 run with 5k shares and you will see the difference VERY fast...
Ouch Gary just said ACTC needs real investors...
From a position of strength! Gary his self said this so now we have tomorrows CC and two months of good news to see what that's going to be. I think a R/S can be positive but don't kid your self's we don't have NO money coming in AT ALL and to hold the PPS up after a R/S we are going to need some major JV or something.
Gary so far as I see it is being over compensated for his performance and I hope this marks the turn around where he can show us what he can do for ACTC and not what ACTC can do for him!
& who ever says having fewer shares don't make a difference tell me that after having a .25 run owning 100k shares or having 5k shares 8)
I guess if your a trader, as a long I am just happy to watch the milestones being reached.
Ahh I must had misunderstood or jumped in the middle of a conversation. I agree as well a R/S is needed down the road but from a position of strength as Gary suggested. I am thinking a 10 for 1 bringing the pps between 5.00 & 10.00 when it does...
So you really think a 300 to 1 R/S bringing the pps to 30.00 a share that in return will make ACTC 600% higher than any other stem cell company with the smallest float a solution?
I think the outcome would make ACTC one of the hottest stocks to short in the world and you will watch the market cap drop to around 30 million from 190 million... ( that make our current pps worth about .02 )
Frank Zappa wrote a song that would fit well with EXPH stock, unfortunately I went to the show and ate some yellow snow...
Frank Zappa - Don't Eat That Yellow Snow:
I have heard in special circumstances that it's possible to take legal action against the directors and shareholders, have any idea what the circumstances might be?
"The Alpha case for 390+ million shares is still pending"
Why you keep tossing this statement out when you know this is estimate for all suits filed and fourth coming.
I mean really 390 million x 50 is almost 20 billion shares that is a but extreme don't ya think?
Give us a break, Bill & Gary dropped the ball and made a foolish mistake and now it must be cleared up. ( and paid up by us ) This has nothing to do with Dr Lanza but does have a lot to do with Gary & his excessive stock package he received while selling us a bill of goods while no doubt knew about this coming!
One thing is for sure thanks to Rocky I am not as dumb as I was back in 2009 regarding all these filings and what they really mean regarding ACTC and my investment here.
Headed into the 10s now, this is a bit drastic if you ask me! Over three years holding this stock and I cant believe all I have gone through with ACTC that I am for the 1st time a bit worried about my investment here. GR has me spooked he is a wolf and one of the reasons we are involved in these toxic type loans that his firm specialized in and now we have him watching the hen house?
From the 8-k looks to me like ACTC is just laying down on these suits and going to settle out for the full amounts when IMO took through the court process I believe a much smaller settlement is possible.
Something smells!!!
You are to funny and 110% correct LOL! Sad but true JD used EXPH here to prolong his company's demise and to profit from stealing from his share holders. JD was pretty clumsy I would say and might just end up into some legal trouble so I drop in every now and then to see.
8)
I don't think NSS is going on with EXPH but any one who thinks NSS is fake is a total tool of the system as I have personally seen it done and know its for real and IT has been used to steal and bring legit companies to its knees.
I think whom ever dropped 750k on ACTC has an idea what they are doing...
I understand where you are coming from but seems like a bit more risk involved that every thing must fall perfectly in line in order for the outcome you suggested...
This is where I stand as well. I feel this can possibly be done without tossing ACTC longs who has been thru thick and thin under the bus to new money so to speak.
I do understand where Rocky is coming from though just feel we have a good chance at other options as you speak of Paul!
I to have been holding shares for over three years. I am not knocking ACTC at all! I am just stating that R/S is not as good as some make it out to be. I have not had a good R/S experience in the few I have been thru, I and others get a little scared when talk starts about a R/S at this early stage.
All I am trying to say is yes we went through heavy dilution but with a R/S any new shares issued is going to be dilution on steroids compared to the past dilution as each new share would represent 10 old shares. I very well might be way off base here...
Please don't think I am attacking you or ACTC as thats not my intention I am only trying to learn more from you guys as y'all are much more knowledgeable in this than I. Thanks again Rocky for spending your valuable time on this board with your DD and willingness to answer questions. I am sure many here would pay for some of the information you freely share, TBH you have tought me how to do better DD just reading your post.
Your example would be 100% on the target if ACTC does not issues any new shares after the R/S but if its around a 1 for 10 deal the events that I posted to you just before this message would almost surly come into play.?
I am not the best writer so im going to post this from Biosectinvestor. This pretty much sums up how I look at a R/S as well...
Think about a billion share company trading at .10. They want to get to $1.00, so that they can attract new investors. They've really been struggling for years, but they have a good business plan, that should generate billions of dollars in potential JV/Licensing and operating revenues. But they want to get there quickly.
So, they do a 10 to 1 r/s. OK. Now there are 100 million shares. Let's say you were a 10% holder of shares. Where before you owned 100 million, you now own 10 million in a 100 million share company. The market cap, by the way, has not changed by this transaction. It seems superficial. You seem to be in the same position. Now the company issues a new 100 million shares. That's not so many, right? They had a billion, now they have 200 million. They needed the cash they said, so they got a JV partner to take those shares.
Now you own 5% of the company. If the capitalization had been as before, they'd have had to offer 1 billion more shares to push you down to 5%. A few months later, they issue another 200 million shares. They have 400 million shares outstanding now, but you are now down to 2.5% of the company, and in comparison to your old shares, this is the equivalent of 4 billion shares. But the thing is, you're just seeing 100 million numbers, so you're not really getting how much more quickly, per new share sold, that your ownership percentage is being diluted. You see, every new share is equal to 10 old shares, in terms of your percentage ownership. Whereas before, when they sold the shares, and the price could rise organically, based upon the skills of management to bring its plans to fruition, every new share was equal to the shares that you originally bought 1 for 1. So new buyers of shares, are massively advantaged over you. The price of the shares could still, by the way, under the new scenario, go down to penny stock levels. And that would make the dilution of your interests even worse.
Dilution in an early stage company is not fun. Dilution on steroids, after a massive r/s, is very, very painful.
Giving a JV partner, new shares after a r/s, not fun either. The J/V partner should get our same shares and be subject to the same r/s, but you know that wouldn't happen. They would never accept that, even though it's just a calculation, right? No, there is a reason that r/s is perceived very negatively. New capital would want old capital to be crunched, and to be advantaged with, effectively, super equity
As for conservative investors, they don't invest in start-ups. It has nothing to do with pennies. They are concerned with preservation of their riches, not getting rich. Many wonderful biotechs are penny stocks, no matter how many shares they have outstanding, and the underlying value in a company, has nothing to do with whether it's share price is under $5.00 or not, that's an arbitrary number. Analysis has to go much deeper than such superficiality. However, there are clearly risks in any under-capitalized penny stock, there is no question.
I think the answer though, is that this company is not going to be a stock for "conservative" investors. By that, people usually mean grandmothers, widows and orphans, who need a set amount of income per year to live and who take no risks. They are looking for low volatility. Growth companies are high volatility by definition. Those folks should be in utilities, treasury bonds, CD's, etc. Something with a steady dividend or interest payment, so that income makes up for some very minor volatility, and they don't have to eat their capital, to live. And then conservative investors stay diversified, to avoid any fluctuation in capital - as they really just want income mostly on their substantial capital, previously earned. This company won't meet their criteria until it is extremely established already, in the field of medicine, and pays a steady dividend. The investor target audience, in that context, cannot possibly be conservative investors, as I see it. That would make no sense for companies like this, at this early stage.
I look at R/S different than you I totally see it as deprecation of my shares = in the end I own less of the company and longs take a back seat to the new money buying in after the R/S
Just the way I see a R/S...
BTW thanks for info on your e-mail coversation and breaking it down for us!
I hope you had a good trip and get/had a good nights sleep. 8)
I am sure many here will be awaiting your ACTC report!!
Nice!! I am anxiously waiting to hear the outcome...
I cant think of any one better to have asking Mr. Rabin some questions!
Sounds like you believe this stock is WAY over valued still even headed to .10 do you think .4 is over valued or a good entry point?
I am long and strong and nothing I have read on these boards suggest to me I will lose my money over the next three years so If I can sell my shares for at least .07 down the road I'm all good!
If any one here has reason to think I will not get at least .07 a share in a few years I like to hear your thoughts as to why you feel this way.
I used to watch this stock daily couple years back but learned this is one of those you buy and stick back and check on every now and then but the chat boards on ACTC has always been a pleasure and in some cases entertaining to say the least.
GO ACTC!!! Dont rush it just get it RIGHT!
I think any one of our programs finishing up a 3rd phase trial would demand MUCH more than a 1B market cap... TBH
Someone saying we be worth about .50 a share in three years after successful trials has an alternative motive for such statements.
Why would they even consider 2000 to 1 that make ACTC shares worth like 400.00 pps. That would make this a shorts dream stock, that talk is just insane and seems only fitting to instill fear...
Rocky if you was a short and did see the neon signs & a 400% + run wouldnt you jump in?
http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/trading/ViewShortableStocks.php?key=actc&cntry=usa&tag=United+States&ib_entity=llc&ln=
Thats simple, some people are not traders but investors...
I to been holding since 08 and will continue to do so!
I am glad that the PRs are starting to include that ACTC does not destroy the embryo, "Advanced Cell Technology uses a proprietary technique to extract a single cell from a young embryo, allowing the rest to remain intact and develop normally, Rabin says. A similar method is routinely used to biopsy embryos for pre-implantation genetic diagnosis, in which embryos created through in vitro fertilization are scanned for genetic disorders before being transferred to a uterus."
Could you start posting your charts so we can understand comments like "That would make 3 days in a row of identical Charts"
Looks like we might 100 million volume today.
My apologies as I was responding to the discussion in general and should had made a new post.