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King,
I am referring to ATOLL shareholders who would receive a dividend from ATOLL.
I think we can agree the statement was mis-leading. NNRF would receive 50% of any dividend declared by ATOLL. You and I both know ATOLL is not going to distribute all profits on a quarterly basis to ATOLL shareholders.
Even though NNRF does not have majority interest in ATOLL and ATOLL cannot be considered a subsidiary, including ATOLL's financials is necessary to show retained equity interest in retained earnings. That is where the remaining portion of book profit exists.
Is your bold statement a direct cut and paste or was there some condition such as, we anticipate, in the future, etc.?
King,
I can't find anything anywhere stating that all of the profit ATOLL achieves in any given year or quarter will be distributed to shareholders..Obviously, most of the booked profit is in retained earnings.
In the 10K, NNRF stated they believe the acquisition of ATOLL will provide cash dividends during 2008. Perhaps quarterly dividends may be declared by ATOLL mgt. Keep in mind that NNRF now has two members on the ATOLL board. They may be able to have some influence on the distribution of ATOLL profits..
Cash flow may exceed book profit due to write offs for amortization and depreciation but I believe cash dividends to ATOLL shareholders will be limited by ATOLL growth needs.
Batscam,
Quit already with the sub-penny scare.
You wrote, "Unless they plan to defer all salaries and pump all revenue from atoll directly into a stock buyback program, this will just go sub penny as they issue the rest of the shares."
At least you conclude the company may have continuing revenue from ATOLL. That income,if stable, could provide a basis for borrowing operating capital without equity financing. We shall see.
Go ahead,Batscam
You may continue to disregard the fact that NNRF owns 50% of ATOLL which is a profitable company and is now providing cash dividends to ATOLL shareholders. NNRF will receive one-half of each dividend from ATOLL.
BTW, do yoy know the book value of ATOLL? Is 50% ownership worth nothing?
Could be JohnBoy,
I hope the thought of such an event does scare you too much. I don't want you to have any nightmares.
Sleep well. Don't dwell on any facts I may have presented about the company....CUL
How many in your collective group?
Would you care to provide the names?
Most everyone knows all about the pump that went down. I just want to know how many of you are working so diligently on the dump?????
Why do you think anyone not agreeing with you
is blind and stupid? Do you believe comments like that validate your opinion about the company?
You need to provide more than that>>>Ha, ha, ha.
I'm still waiting for an answer to "Who is "WE?" Would you care to tell us how many and who are in your "WE" group?
Gibson,
"it's called a shell game with ATOLL and is not considered REVENUE to NNRI."
Who, besides you, is calling NNRF's investment in ATOLL a shell game? Dividend income to NNRF is real and is a return on investment.
We all understand that no sales of NNRF propietary technologies have been made. Are their developed techs marketable? I can't answer YES but you can't answer NO.
I believe the company has potential. You obviously wish to continue to disparage anything and everything about the company. Your opinion, without validation, does not make NNRF not real. It is a start up. What part of that do you not understand?
Gibson, old salt,
This is a real company.
1. NNRF and sub owns 50% of ATOLL, a profitable company which recently provided a $1MM dividend to its shareholders. There are indications that additional dividends will be made.
2. NNRF owns or has license to some very promising technologies with a broad range of applications in the nuclear industry.
3. NNRF has an investment interest in Velkont.
4. The U.S. corporate office is being established in Washington, D.C. to improve access to potential users of NNRF technologies.
The above is not be all inclusive.
When you say, "We have given you ALL the information", I don't know who you are referring to as "We". In any case, you can now proceed to iterate ALL of the valid information to substantiate your postion that this is not a real company.
Your turn...post as much valid information as you wish. Your opinion does not count unless you can vaidate.....CUL
What argument???
There is nothing to argue about. You continue to encourage selling..plain and simple.
I have done some averaging down both here and elsewhere. I have been successful at times and I have also made mistakes.
So what the hell is there to agrue about? It is just a waste of time discussing anything with you. You have just gotten too tiresome. Blah, blah, blah.
Answer your own questions.
Bat,
Your statement is false,
"You say averaging down is good idea because the stocks will eventually go up."
I have never stated that emphatically. I have been successful many time by averaging down. It doesn't always work to my advantage and I take my lumps when it doesn't.
All you want to do is to encourage selling to expedite the demise of this company and you have been encouraging peole to sell all the way from above $5.00.
You don't give advice. HORSE HOCKY!!!!! With every post you encourage people to sell. You are a lying sck of crapola if you even try to deny that truth.
You are playing and supporting this dump for all you can get..
You can quit baiting me now. You pinhead miner tool. Get lost.
It is very obvious that we disagree.
I like the pumps. You play the dumps. Others make their own choices. I don't take any credit for what they do. Many may have gotten out at $5.00 or higher on thier own without asking you for your advice. Who do you think you are, Warren Buffet?
BTW, I called the SH mtg on the RS over four months ahead of the event. I also knew there was no way Shep would not do the RS unless he scored some major revenues. Those additional 600MM AS would have gone very fast without the RS.
John,
I don't know who is selling and really do not care. I do believe some good buys are being made. Did you notice that those shares were bought? Now why would there be buyers?
Hey Gibson, Bat, Fishy,
A lot of buying happening the last couple of days. Are those just buyers, or MMs, hoping to make a good investment or are those buys being done to cover short postions.
In either case, a turn around on this looks possible. I would know for sure if I knew the shorts were covering. Hmmm?
Also to make you guys feel better, it looks like a lot of shares are being shaked out of weak hands. Just what you want. Right?
Well, Bat,
There are a few of us that wish them the best with the pump.
They are better at making the pump work than you are trying to derail their efforts. It really seems you spend most of your effort on the downturn after the pump has worked to raise the price...of course, after the pump comes the short play which is very low risk if one knows who to follow. Right?
Add to my 1470.
I think if NTI and associated co.s are to be placed under an umbrella listed company, they will seek and find a fully reporting shell rather than expend resources necessary to bring a Grey sheet company back to life.
I have a suggestion. Just roll NTI into Global as Global gets the past due SEC filings done, holds a SH meeting, and does another massive RS. I wonder if Navigator has the clout to cause such an action or would they want to.....
Bat,
What inane part of your 1469 related to my comment about NNTH in my 1463?
I think we have jumped to an incorrect conclusion that NTI is to become a part, or the whole part, of NNTH.PK.
At this time, NNTH.PK is a Grey Sheet company not trading on any exchange and the company description is totally different from what was shown on the recent website, now pulled.
ABDUL
You should take the ticker NNTH.PK out of the I-Box comment on GBMR;s Sales Partner..
tia
Bushie,
I regret I did not have time to stop and visit with you o/a 2 July last year. Maybe we would have both bailed on the 3rd. Things changed rapidly immediately after the holiday.
Sometimes averaging down works. I'm hoping this is one of those times. If they do a big equity financing deal at these levels, I'll be gone. Your .60 may still be attainable but it may take time.
I am now a bit homesick for the foothills of the Ozarks. Will let you know when I make another trip to your environs.
Bushie,
I now hold 20% of the number of shares I once held.
In the swinging days last year, I was buying at $5.00 or lower and selling between $5.80 and $6.10. While traveling during Jun/Jul, I had a GTC sell at $6.00 which did not work. By the time I returned home, the SP had fallen to $4.50 so I bailed out at a loss price. I made a later swing trade between 2.44 and 3.05. I knew then the stock was overpriced but I did not believe the manipulators were going to be able to take it down to the current level. I believed certain events would occur which would stop the drops.
The company was not successful in getting the uplist although they continued to do amendments to get to a fully reporting status. They needed audited info on ATOLL earnings and that was finally done but to no avail on the uplist. Now the 1st Qtr report is still past due with the 2nd Qtr due in a couple of weeks. These failures have allowed the manipulators to continue to drip the sp down.
I have bought some and brought my basis down on my current holdings. That may be a mistake but I tend to believe there will be some positive information released shortly, prior to or at the time of the conference call. I cannot believe a conference call will be done to present a failing situation going forward. The problem now is mgt's credibility in their actions to complete whatever they may present.
How far they can push this down prior to the CC is anyone's guess. Some chartists are saying .10 is next target. They always tell you how right they were after the fact. We shall see. Good luck to all.
Whatever.....
Gibby,
Who cares whether or not you want to get cheap shares?
There are buyers standing in line to buy more as cheaply as possible. You may be a buyer. Why are you trying so hard to convince us that you are just a good samaritan?
Even today, there are buyers. Right? Of course, in your opinion, everyone buying and anyone still holding are just plain stupid without a clue.
ABDUL,
Shep had better get those filings done to move this back to the OTC. The two year time bomb is ticking. Just over 60 days left....
The drop in BID has caused a scare this AM.
Anyone that believes the company will conduct a CC to provide negative information to the public is wrong. If the company deems it necessary to release negative information, that would be done in a PR or in a SEC filing.
Conference Call.
If I were mgt, I certainly would not be hosting a conference call with the 1st Qtr 10Q still not done. How insane would that be???
However, the 10Q might be done and the Conference Call needed for damage control. I hope not.
I hope they strongly believe that what they have to say will make shareholders glad to be holding and interested in buying more shares....
Bat,
You are right. My typo, 10K not 10Q. Read the whole thing. Identify all the expenses, especially those one-time share issues allocated to interest expenses. Note that the credit facility was terminated. The FACTS are in there.
You just throw little bits and pieces against the wall to see what will stick. Great messenger you are. I attack you because you post all negatives. For one whose purposeful intent is to expedite the demise of the company I should expect nothing but negaives from you. Right?
You are the one that continues to talk about the 2007 book loss but just can't seem to provide any explanation for those book losses shown in the accounting. And, of course, you do not acknowledge any progress this startup company has achieved.
Enough said. Year 2007 is done.
I do understand that if share issues are required for payment for consultants and services in 2008 at the samne dollar level as was done in 2007, the OS is going to take a big hit. The sp has been pushed down extensively. You don't have to tell me or anyone else here what that can mean. The $500K dividend from ATOLL will help. The question remains..will there be additional dividends?
BTW, a lot of accumulation has been happening between .16 and .22 in the past few weeks. Why would there be any buyers?
Are they all stupid?
Bat,
There you go again. You take a sentence from a filing and present it to support a false argument.
The 10Q provides a complete financial analysis for the period ending 31 Dec, 07. The total expenses are explained in detail and they are not all related to the acquisition of ATOLL. You want to find the accounting for all the expenses, read the 10Q.
Quit blowing smoke.
Bat,
Your mis-information usually consists of incomplete information. For example, you take a negative like the $16MM booked loss shown in the 10K but you fail to provide any analysis of that loss and then ask a rhetorical question like, "What if they loss another $16MM in 80?". Well, what if they don't have all those one-time expenses?
You seem to think if someone buys a rental property with a $100K loan and only receives $8K in rental income during the first year, one has made a bad investment. Of course the dividend income from ATOLL has not been substantial but the equity value is substantial. No one, except you and a few others, here really expects NNRF to achieve a 100% ROI on the ATOLL acquisition within a few short months or years.
We will have to judge TCNH's worth when financials are provided in the next filing.
Good for you on MRKL. I began buying when it dropped below $1. post split and sold above $4.00. Unwisely, I bought back between .60 and .90, held for the Ides of March note payment date in 05 and took a kick in the butt.
You use a lot of "what if" something negative happens in the future to cause concern but you never ask what if something positive happens. You like to keep saying this is going to sub-ruble, as you did earlier today, and anyone holding or buying shares at the current level will lose their investment. Certainly, if it goes to zero, anyone holding will be left holding. How profound of you to tell everyone you know mathematical facts!
You never miss an opportunity to use a scare tactic. But, of course, we know you well by now since you have stated your unwavering intent. Anyone reading here that doesn't understand the bias in your posts just plain can't read. CUL
I forgot that you also lost on MRKL. The game is not completely over with GBMR but it does not look good. However, I hold near 2MM shares with a very, very low basis. I may never get even but one never knows. Right?
With the ownership structure, low OS and very small float, I like my chances with my .41 basis at TCNH.
I am not pumping this to flip pennies. In fact, I don't consider my posts countering your mis-information to be pumping at all. You can check some of my posts on RB from Spring to Fall in 07 when I was swing trading for dollars if you are interested.
There is no reason to believe this will be sub-ruble before the next pump but, of course, you may know some movers I do not know. In any case, I am not interested in a quick pump run-up but if one occurs I will consider taking advantage.
What have you been doing? Sitting on the sidelines, looking over the shoulders of the players here and continually suggesting we all throw in what could be a winning hand.
Bat,
Why bash on a msg board?
You question my investment. You don't know exactly where my buys and sells have been and you don't know what number of NNRI shares I currently hold and at what basis. I will only consider this a bad investment if I should have to sell my current holdings at a price which would wipe out my previous gains. I absolutely believe that will not happen. You know this is not going to zero and you know it will be pumped again, legitimately or otherwise.
Obviously, both you and I have lost on EUOT and GBMR shares so I guess we need to "suck it up" together on those.
"Why pump on a message board?
Haven't enough people been hurt by this already?"
If you are so convinced this will continue to fall and never get back up, why are you suggesting everyone sell and therefore hurt some other poor sucker? Most likely it is not other suckers that want shares. I beleive there are buyers that want shares at the lowest possible price. That has to be your agenda.
"Does this mean you believe that the comapny exists to perpetuate a penny stock scam?"
NO! I do not believe the company was formed to be a penny stock scam. I believe they brought knowledgeable and well placed people onboard with an objective of putting NuCap to use. They entered into the agreement with Global and
Dow, went through the process of getting the product certified and accepted for use in Russia. I think they made a serious effort to get things done to further company objectives.
I am as disappointed as you and every GBMR holder that NuCap was not used and has now been dropped completely by NNRF. A lot of people made a lot of money on the sp explosion and many have shorted and made a lot of money on the implosion.
Regardless of what happened with NuCap, I believe the company is viable with the 50% ownership of ATOLL, the other investment positions, and the other technologies.
I am not trying to hurt or help anyone holding a short position. Perhaps you do not intend to help either. I just stated your effort to cause the demise of the company through further decline of the sp is probably appreciated by anyone holding a short postion and waiting for a lower cover price.
Of course you could have an objective of looking for the lowest possible re-entry price. Perhaps some who sold earlier may also be thinking of buying back. You know and they know this is not going to zero.
If you are pixxed at NNRF over the NUCap failure and your continuing losses at GBMR, get over it. WE LOST! at both GBMR and EUOT. If you have no financial interest here, I do not see how hammering this company as you do incessantly provides anything for you.
Why don't you start a positive campaign to help the company and the longs holding here, and hurt the shorts?????Instead of telling everyone this is a scam and going to zero, why not put some positives into your posts and suggest it will turn around and go up a buck or so??? You too can become a retail investor here once more......
BTW, Bat,
"These people are all associated with the same "lending organizations"."
Would you care to identify which of these people and which "lending organizations" you are talking about?
I'd like a complete education on those activities and I am sure some others here are interested, as well...
TIA,
Chrf
Batscam,
I have gone back to review many posts made by numerous posters during the July/August,07, timeframe, months before I began reading this board. My first post here was on 2/20/08.
On 9 Aug your wrote,
"I'm not short the stock. I currently have no NNRF holdings and only a limited interest as I do hold EUOT and GBMR stock. Having seen how badly those those little gems have gone (along with Markland Technologies, which I no longer hold) I am very suspicious of the people involved here. These people are all associated with the same "lending organizations"."
We were in the same postiion since at that time I also held no NNRI or MRKL shares but still held EUOT and GBMR. I also hold TCNH. I have bought, sold, and bought NNRI shares over the past 11 months and now hold a minimal quantity.
I accept that you were not short NNRI at that time but your post says you have traded NNRI in the past. You have bashed the stock incessantly over the past 11 months. I do not believe you are spending as much time as you do to discuss the negatives about the company to just inform others.
You recently stated the intent of your effort was to expedite the demise of this penny stock scam. That would mean the demise of the company. I don't know who holds those 40K short but your effort would seem to be to their advantage.
The drop in the sp from 2.50/3.00 levels in Aug/Sep to current level is certainly a negative. The sp continued to plummet even as the company has enjoyed some operational positives. I still believe the $500K dividend and the movement of the corporate office from Point Roberts, WA, to D.C. to be positive events. You may view those events as you wish...
Stick to facts. Don't berate others to create antagonism......
Bat,
From your post #2114.
"I has also never accepted compensation from a company to STOP bashing them. I bash them because I believe they are scams and I promote them because I think they are legitimate.
I'm hoping NNRF and TCNH become legitimate companies.
I'm convinced GBMR and MRKL are penny stock scams.
I'm convinced EUOT became a penny stock scam. But then lost the ability to issue more shares and was taken over by a man who wouldn't be pushed around by the lenders. So EUOT still has hope if NNRF is real."
As of that August,07, date, you were hoping NNRF and TCNH would become legit. I'm still hoping for that outcome as well. Of the lot you list, they are the only two left with any chance whatsoever.
EUOT seems to be completely out of the money since NNRF is no longer interested in NuCap or GBMR. NNRF has other techs they are attempting to get to market. The DC office, in my opinion, is part of the effort. I don't know that they will have any success in the US but you don't know they will not.
The early PRs were extravagant in estimates but did not convince many at the time, including you, that NuCap was just a scam...Had the application problem been solved, it might have worked to the benefit of NNRF, GBMR, EUOT and DOC-C.
Bat,
From your post #2114.
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Hey there, Water Stink,
Why don't you say you are really pixxed that mgt is doing some things to keep the company going forward and the sp is not going down as fast as you would like?
I wonder what the heck you will do when the reversal comes. Will you dive to the deep water so we can't see your bulging eyes popping out the brown stuff? Or will we see you floating somewhere belly up?
Some of you guys are horrible. If you are not attacking mgt, you are attacking anyone that doesn't join in the back slapping. Or is that back stabbing?
Isn't it nice that there are some here that will counter the stagnant crapola floating in your pond? Be careful, some of that stuff might be toxic...
Gibby,
There you go with a new hit. Huh? "keep your eye on the ball and not the nucrap shells." WTF are you talking about?
You seem to be saying opening of an office in D.C. is just a scam play by the company. They are going to fool everyone again. Run, run. Run for the hills. The next thing you will say is that the office is just an empty storefront and was an absolute waste of money.
You keep telling everyone to sell so I guess you think you are being successful since the sp has fallen a couple of pennies in the past three weeks.
You say the company is a scam. My opinion. You are working very hard to try to scam everyone reading this msg board.
As usual,
The company announces something that could be a positive beneficial action and the hammers come out in force to beat it down. Some really stupid comments in the last 24 hours.
Nearly as bad as the negative posts on the cash dividend from ATOLL. What if ATOLL is able to do a quarterly equal dividend going forward? Most likely the naysayers would respond with a statement that all the profits are being spent/wasted with no benefit to NNRI holders...
Like public investors having bought NNRI shares have been scammed so the company can use the cash to open an office in DC to be used for a ping pong table. How absolutely stupid to post such a comment on this msg board. Stupid is as stupid does. Huh?
A curl is not usually very deep but
your message is acceptable if you meant the opposite of short.
Go long. Go long. A skinny post will do....