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Thanks for your time.
One of the computers is my corporate laptop. I work for a major Multi-Billion Dollar company and it is only 6 months old.
I am confident that the problem is on your end. I do appreciate all your help.
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Hi!
I used to own this program. It is a registry cleaner that was quite ineffective.
Anyhow, Norton is not run on any of the machines.
Looks like a bit of a sticky wicket.
Oh well.....
Hi there!
Unfortunately, the only options are English and Netherlands.
Tried Netherlands out of curiosity.
Same error.
So the program will not execute therefore I can't reach the tabs.
Hi,
I tried installing Vortex on two separate computers.
Runtime error 217 appeared on both.
What can I do?
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3 signs that a stock crash is coming
Three major indicators with strong track records are signaling it's time to sell stocks. Here's how they work and why investors should worry.
By Michael Brush
What a great time to own stocks.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) is setting records just about every day. The S&P 500 Index ($INX) has advanced 12% in less than five months. Technology stocks are up about 14% since midsummer.
The giddy stock bulls may be in for a nasty surprise. They're ignoring three trusty stock-market indicators -- with great records for predicting corrections -- that currently are saying it's time to get out of equities. The signals are closely watched by market technicians on the lookout for hints that the bull run is getting tired.
One of the indicators says stocks are simply expensive compared with other investment options available to big money managers. Another says that mutual fund managers have mostly exhausted the supply of dollars they have available to put into the market. And the third says that the smartest investors are now betting on a downturn. Together, these harbingers paint a far different picture of the market than do the raw return numbers.
Here's a closer look at these indicators and why you should be cautious with stocks now.
The stock-bond trade-off
Money managers chiefly put money in two assets: stocks and bonds. One way of deciding whether stocks are expensive is by comparing their performance to that of bonds. If bonds lag while stocks advance, according to some market watchers, fund managers will be more likely to sell stocks and buy bonds.
But how do you compare the prices of stocks to bonds? Jason Goepfert of SentimenTrader.com looks at the performance of the largest bond and stock indexes as they are embodied by two exchange-traded mutual funds -- the Standard & Poor's Depositary Receipts (SPY, news, msgs), which tracks the S&P 500 Index, and the iShares Lehman 20+ Year Treasury Bond Fund (TLT, news, msgs), which tracks 20-year government bonds. (For data that predates the funds, he compares the S&P 500 with the 10-year Treasury bond.)
To compare them, Goepfert contrasts the current ratio of the SPY to the TLT with the average ratio over the past three months. Since the ratio typically doesn't change much in 90 days, the two values should be about the same. Now, though, with the recent rally in stocks, there's a big gap. The current ratio has moved up to 1.58, compared with an average of 1.5 over the past 90 days. That may not sound like much. But since the ratio usually stays fairly constant in any 90-day period, this is a huge move compared with what normally happens.
The difference between the current gap and the 90-day average is at a level seen only 1% of the time. (For you statistical wonks, the indexes are now more than three standard deviations away from the norm). "Stocks are rarely as overvalued to bonds as they are now," says Goepfert.
In the three months after such an extreme reading, the performance of the S&P 500 has ranged from a loss of 8.7% to a gain of just 1.7%. That's a bad outlook for the bulls. It gets worse: This indicator has called two of the biggest market declines in the past decade.
• It flashed red just before the big correction that started in March 2000, signaling the end of the technology bubble. By the end of 2002, the S&P 500 had fallen more than 45%. (On the upside, this model said buy in mid-2002, just before the start of the current bull rally.)
• On July 17, 1998, the model said sell just before a dramatic crash that took the S&P 500 down 19% in the next month and a half. On Aug. 31 that year, the model said buy just before a September rally that took the market up 11% in a month.
Cash-strapped mutual funds
Mutual funds are allowed to hold cash instead of stocks or bonds. How much cash they have on hand is often a good signal of where the market is heading. If they have a lot of cash, it means there's still a lot of money left to go into stocks. When cash levels are low, it means there's less money on the sidelines to drive stocks higher. It also means that if retail investors get scared and sell their fund shares, fund managers will have to sell stock to meet redemptions, driving stock prices lower.
As of the end of August, U.S. equity mutual funds had 4.4% of their assets in cash, according to the Investment Company Institute. Goepfert adjusts this number for how much cash they should have on hand given the current level of interest rates. Even though interest rates are relatively low, Goepfert figures that funds should have a 7% cash position, according to historical trends. This means funds have 2.5% less cash than they "should" have, given the level of short-term interest rates. This is another historic extreme.
Since 1950, whenever cash shortfalls hit these lows, the S&P 500 has fallen 69% of the time with an average decline of 4%. Ominously, the last two times cash levels were this low, bad things happened to stocks. Cash levels hit these lows in early 2000 just ahead of the last big bear market. Cash also hit current levels in early 1981 just before a two-year market slump.
The smart money is bearish
Investors, of course, always want to know what the "smart money" is doing. To figure this out, Goepfert turns to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.
First, a primer on futures contracts. Traders who own futures contracts on a stock index like the S&P 500 have purchased the S&P 500 stocks at a price agreed upon now, for delivery at some point in the future. Usually these contracts are settled in cash, without delivery of the underlying stocks.
To keep track of the futures markets, the CFTC makes brokers report client positions. The CFTC designates the biggest traders -- those holding more than 1,000 S&P 500 futures contracts -- as "commercial" traders. They only make the grade if they hold those futures contracts as a part of a hedge to protect against losses in underlying investment positions. Goepfert considers these commercial traders to be the "smart money." (The other two categories are big speculators, who hold 1,000 or more S&P 500 futures contracts that aren't part of a hedged position, and small speculators, who hold less than 1,000 contracts.)
Right now, commercial traders have a $30 billion net short position in futures on the S&P 500, the Dow Jones Industrial Average and the Nasdaq Composite Index ($COMPX). Going short is a bet against the market. Traders go short by borrowing securities and selling them, hoping they will be able to replace them later at a cheaper price after a market decline.
This is only the third time in recent history that this short position has been so large. The other two times were early 2001, just before the S&P 500 tumbled 38%, and November 2004, after which the market rose some more and then corrected in early 2005.
A ray of sunshine
Taken together, these three indicators say its time to be more cautious with stocks -- but they don't mean that a sharp correction is 100% certain.
Here's just one dissenting voice: Robert Froehlich, chairman of the investor strategy committee at DWS Scudder, the U.S. mutual fund division of Deutsche Bank. Froehlich points out we are moving into the seasonally bullish phase for stocks. This is the six months from early November to the end of April, a period Froehlich calls "turkey to tax time." Since 1950, the average return of the S&P 500 during this phase has been 9%. The average return of the S&P 500 during the other six months of the year was only 2.71%.
At the time of publication, Michael Brush did not own or control any of the equities mentioned in this portfolio.
Question: Can we replicate this?
Hi All,
That is the reason I asked for the spreadsheet. There was no correlation to the share price. The initial steep ascent was suspect from the outset.
2x is certainly more believable as that result can be duplicated by most trading range programs on wealth-lab.
Regards,
Leap
Hi,
At first blush this appears to be similiar to what I proposed about 5 years ago on the old SI board. However, I too need some clarification.
How is the stock price converted to PC? It appears that Joe is saying to take a % deviation to a smoothed price and use that as a trigger. It would be interesting to see the spreadsheet.
By the way...does anyone have an LDAIM spreadsheet they can share?
Thanks
I think we are converging on a composite view. Keep this in mind: The rate of increase has been slower up North. We have been exceeding 15% a year, they have not. Back in the day, one could sell their home sock away 50% and buy a mansion down here. Those days are gone. Our property taxes are relatively low, again, not what they used to be.
As far as the lack of land..drive down Forest Lakes to Racetrack. Their is plenty of land to be developed. Commodity prices are rising and the builders will not be able to pass them along.
Take a look at the condo's in Waterchase. 10 of them were bought by an investor who has sitting on them longer than 45 days. They are not moving.
Its all about jobs. We do not have them here in Clearwater. At least not the high paying ones to support these inflated prices.
Wish I could buy a LEAP put.
Regards!
Leap
Hi,
Sorry about the spelling mistake. I have come to depend upon Spell Check. Hopefully no Freud there...
Anyway, the true sign of a top is to map the rate of salary increase to the rate of sales price increase.
Homes have been appreciating 15% a year. It cannot continue.
Homes in Beverly Hills have depreciated 30-50% over the past six months but that does not make the headlines.
If one is breathing, they can attain a variable rate, interest only, loan.
If you are living in a lower end home that you bought for say 114K in 1994 it is now worth over 300K. Have the salaries doubled? No way.
Kids out of school can't afford a new house. Where is this demand going to come from?
Regards,
Leap
Hi there,
Yes I have heard the same arguement from my realtor. Interestly, that was the same situation when I left NJ in 1989. No more land to develope...and bust. Now it has certaonly come back. But I am not buying the arguement. The salaries in Pinellas counties have not kept pace. Most of the buying has been incestor driven which is scary.
That is why ther has been the most appreciation on those properties sub $350K. I will bet you a cup of coffee that we are looking at lower prices two years from now.
Those in the higher end homes will be hurt the most.
Regards,
Leap
I guess we are both reside in the Tampa Bay area. I have recently been forced into the houseing market as a result of an impending divorce. This market has BUBBLE written all over it. It reminds me of the tech boom just 5 years hence.
I have no clue when it will blow but when it does...watch out!!
Thanks! But I may disappoint. ;-(
After reading Guppy's book, which was a waste of money, and running the scripts generously provided on wealth-lab, I have become disenchanted with this style of trading.
I have since rediscovered RWI which I am now investigating. It appeals to the engineer in me in that I have never been a fan of fixed lookback intervals.
Time will tell.
Thanks!
Thanks Bernard. You beat me to the punch.
I have order Darryl Guppy's book. Probably a waste of $$, but I have not read anything unique on Darvas.
It will be interesting. Took almost 2 weeks for them to acknowledge the order.
Regards,
Leap
Please see this months S & C mag for a discussion of Darvas.
I am thinking about resurrecting this thread if there is any interest.
Regards
Down day and holding
Do you follow any of your programs w/actual
Robert Dinero's?
Regards,
Leap
Your wealthscripts all say SELL!
Regards!
Leap
Any thoughts on the Rising Rates fund before MR. G speaks.
Seems like a favorable risk/reward ratio.
Thoughts?
Regards,
Leap
Hi Aimhier,
ETF's are a safe bet. However, LU and Worldcom were bluechips in their hayday. Then They became laggards, then dogs then done.
Regards,
Leap
Hi Toofuzzy,
Problem is AIM on works on cyclical issues. Run the script in Wealth-lab and see for yourself.
Aim is a failure, even when you beat buy and hold. The drawdowns are unacceptable; especially given the amount of money that must be tied up.
I feel sorry for the poor souls who were AIMing Worldcom or Lucent. Due diligence is not the answer. At the time of inception, the outlook was rosy.
Regards All,
Leap
LC,
Thanks for the link! Great stuff. I am now a subsciber.
Will check out his book at the bookstore.
Regards,
Leap
Go to Wealth-lab and check out the latest chartscript.
http://www.wealth-lab.com/cgi-bin/WealthLab.DLL/browsechartscripts
Regards,
Leap
Hey Myst!
Your idea is the latest on the Wealth-lab hit parade.
Thanks to fdpiech.
Regards as always,
Leap
Hey LC!
Will have to check out the spreadsheet. You are very generous with your work!!
Regards,
Leap
P.S. Is the spreadsheet protected? I am guessing so since one cannot read the formulas and the menus are greyed out.
Hey All!
Thanks! Actually, I think that I did understand the basic premise. It is actually an interesting concept for daytrading so long as you keep the risk under control.
Regards,
Leap
Sure have! Noticed a folder devoted to X-Dev
Wish I spent more time learning PASCAL back in the day...
Interesting, the most profitable systems are those that scale into a position.
Problem is, the inevitable deep diver. That is handled in most cases by limiting risk to 3% of your portfolio value and limiting the number of postions to 3. Problem is the annual return drops from 26% down to 5%!
This is a tough game...guess that's why we are all facinated by it.
Regards,
Leap
Hi LC and Capitalist!
It appears that if one were to use Milestone on a daily basis, it could get ugly without a decent bear rally. In your example one starts with $300. What if it were $10,000. I hear the sound of an empty bank account before there is time to recoup. Not to take anything away from the concept for penny stocks....if you are sitting at the screen all day .
Maybe I am missing the point....highly probable
Regards,
Leap
Could you be kind enough to direct me to the post that explains this system. I cannot find parts I and II.
Thanks
Put the stop a little below the last cycle's buy....
I have been manually testing this very thought.
Regards,
Leap
Two cycles before the one you illustrated would have had you all in cash right before the cycle began. You are correct re: rules.
X-Dev is not a black box and one should know that going in. However, similiar methods have tested out the best inActive Trader Mag, provided that one had the bankrole to keep it going.
Thanks pal!!
Hey old buddy, kewl.
I will backtest the idea. If it works, I will pick up a copy of your software.
Did you ever implement the PPO in the MRI?
Regards as always,
Leap
Hey Myst...
Can you expand for those of us with much grey hair!
Thanks
Thanks for the detailed response. The problem is that either model can test well with 20-20 hindsight. Something that nobody has.
Regards,
Leap
Why do you increase the monthly payment and the portfolio value? Also, I cannot find Edelson's book.
Which installment plan do you prefer....value vs. sychrovest?
Thanks,
Leap
The trial is fixed. Essentially you have to reload the software. Search the recent messages for the url.
Look at Qlogic. Therein lies the rub you see....
Regards,
Leap
LC,
I have given up on our dream. After years of intense study,
there is no systematic investment program that protects one in case of drawdowns. ;-(
Regards,
Leap
Hey LC,
Once again you astound me!
Anyhow, if it is based on %R it is hardly new. I discussed that idea back in the 1999-2000 days on the SI board. Problem was and still is the drawdown or deep diver.
After all these years I still feel that a simple MA or MA of the equity curve is the best way to bail.
I even talked about using bullish % from the PnF charts as a way of scaling in.
Your Pal,
Leap
I understand. I spent 20 years at a co that produces DSL product. Luckily for me, I have never had that problem. The router keeps out most unwanted product although I get nervous when I see the LED blink
Regards,
Leap
Hey Conrad,
Yep, I agree. Just trying to shake things up.
Regards,
Leap
Hidden or reverse dievergence to an ocillator of choice.
Linda Rasche is big on it.
Just wondering..this board seems to have died.
Regards,
Leap