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Capted you sat in in the fraud trial...you were there. That was over. Please stop trying to bring up the past and make this what it is not.
Sounds to. E like that was just a few of te emeralds! Sounds like the 500 million # was VERY low!!!
Is it true that Jays emeralds are worth far more than anyone ever suspected? It sounds to me like we are going to explode here!!!
Rock b roll a comi. Right down the center d the plate...? Perhaps referring to Lenny kravitz or perhaps a baseball pitcher as our A list celebrity?
Ex. Don't you remember the emeralds that Jays group brought up right before the inspection? The ones they wanted included? Sounds like they have been back to the site.
Jus my lil ol opinion dawg
It wouldn't be wrong of him to show you around out on a lil boat in the ocean would it? Not accusing anyone of anything at all...seems you know far more than even the court does. What is the saying? Loose lips sink ships...perhaps the lying tactics here will sink the Fischer's ship once and for all?!!
Just an opinion. Nothing more.
Wasn't that him on 60 minutes who said " when we win I get this one?" Or something of that nature?
Capted, seems like you and Horan are pretty close friends huh? He's been to the site, perhaps he was the one to take you??
Or maybe nobody really knows what happened in court today yet? I would like to say that Jay was able to take his emeralds home with him. I have this picture in my head of Mr. Scrooge the duck from the old Donald Duck comics where Scrooge was diving into a pile of his money. Maybe that is what Jay is doing with his emeralds now? LOL I know I would be, and I am not comparing Jay to Scrooge in any way...
How did the "fraud" trial go for you Capted?
Think it may be time to move up the ask!! Should start seeing some volume here very soon!!!!
I think it is Reba for the A list celeb. I believe she is from Georgia as well. I think she owns an interior design company as well.
Just a guess...
Go EXPU
SO I assume you are admitting that the Fischer's have done nothing more than produce frivolous claims against Jay. I have been watching this "thread" and every single thing you post is FALSE!!!
x do you believe the emeralds floated away from the Atocha in a barrell?
Good to see you back Spinner...any idea of what happened today in the courtroom? We have yet to see Capted's daily update which tells me there may be good news for Jay!?
Todays artical from the Key West Citizen
In the initial months after a cache
of emeralds was discovered off Key
West, some lawyers recommended that
their finder file claim to the purported
multi-million dollar fortune outside the
United States, a move that flabbergasted
a federal judge Wednesday during a
day of courtroom testimony that shed
more light on the origins of the gems.
Former real estate businessman and
nursing home executive turned treasure
salvor Jay Miscovich, who claims to have
found the emeralds in January 2010,
spent much of the day on the witness
stand fielding questions mostly from
Key West lawyer Hugh Morgan, who
attempted to poke holes in his story.
Miscovich testified that he was
advised by his former lawyers to file
his admiralty claim to the emeralds in
another country such as the Cayman
Islands or the Dominican Republic
due to the fact that the emeralds were
found in international waters.
Also, New York City investors were
vying for more control over Miscovich’s
treasure hunting venture, which
spurred a separate Delaware lawsuit.
That lawsuit delayed the filing of the
emeralds claim in the U.S., Miscovich
told U.S. District Judge James Lawrence
King.
King then stopped Morgan’s questioning
for a moment to ask Miscovich
whether his earlier lawyers claimed
to be knowledgeable about marine
salvage law.
They apparently did, Miscovich testified.
King was dumbfounded upon hearing
of the alleged advice to file the
claim in another country.
“That offends my sense of what
lawyers do for a living,” King said.
New facts emerge in gem case
BY ADAM LINHARDT
Citizen Staff
See EMERALDS, Page 8A
That is outrageous advice.
Did they explain you have to
take these emeralds in [to a
courtroom]? That there would
be issues with taking them
from Florida to the Dominican
Republic or wherever?”
Miscovich told the judge he
recalled that one of those former
lawyers or advisors may
have been a board member of
a bank in the Cayman Islands.
“Oh, he’s a master of hiding
money, is he?” King said, referring
to the attorney and stressing
that he was not accusing
Miscovich of wrong doing. “It is
unbelievable such advice was
given. It is shocking to me.”
King is considered an expert
on admiralty law. He presided
over the early proceedings of
Mel Fisher’s famed discovery of
the Spanish galleons Nuestra
Señora de Atocha and Santa
Margarita in the 1980s. King
also presides over yearly
adjudication of ownership
— federal court proceedings
that formally grant Fisher’s
group title to treasure they
found in the preceding year.
Map seller identified
In an answer to a direct question
from Morgan, Miscovich
testified that a man named
Mike Cunningman bought
him a beer and sold him a
hand drawn treasure map at
the Bull &Whistle Bar on Duval
Street in January 2010.
Miscovich has known
Cunningham, a semi-homeless
handyman and landscaper, for
20 years. Cunningham once
worked for Miscovich in their
home state of Pennsylvania.
Cunningham’s identity had
been a closely guarded secret
until Wednesday.
Miscovich testified that
he has no way of reaching
Cunningham.
Miscovich said he was told
by his former lawyers to offer
Cunningham an additional
$50,000 to buy him out of any
future claim to the emeralds or
anything found in the area pictured
on the treasure map, about
30 miles northwest of Key West.
Cunningham allegedly
signed a document agreeing
to the $50,000 buy-out, but
Miscovich told King he has no
copy of that document.
Miscovich testified
Wednesday that he paid
Cunningham $50,000 in $100
bills at a bar in Pennsylvania
about two weeks after discovering
the emeralds.
King then wondered aloud
why it would take a purportedly
poor man two weeks to
collect $50,000.
The issue appeared to be
momentarily quelled when
Miscovich’s lawyers produced
a copy of the signed agreement
between Miscovich and
Cunningham, but Morgan objected
that it wasn’t the original. King
tabled the issue until lawyers find
the original agreement.
New claims
Meanwhile, marine archeologist
Robert Baer testified
that Miscovich told him he
found the emeralds with two
Mexican divers in early 2009,
which appears to contradict
Miscovich’s testimony Tuesday
and Wednesday during which
he said he found the emeralds
in January 2010 with fellow
treasure salvor Steve Elchlepp.
Miscovich and Elchlepp
started what is now known as
JTR Enterprises after the find.
Miscovich attorney John
Siracusa of West Palm Beach
questioned the accuracy of
Baer’s recollections.
King will decide whether
Miscovich owes Kim Fisher,
son of Mel Fisher, money for
lawyer fees.
Kim Fisher is the owner
of Motivation, Inc., a Fisher
family company founded
after Mel Fisher’s death.
Motivation filed court
papers last year suggesting the
154 pounds of emeralds — valued
anywhere from $50,000
to millions — came from the
Fishers’ Atocha and Santa
Margarita treasure sites.
But in August, Motivation
announced it wasn’t interested
in the gems after Duval Streetbased
Emeralds International
owner Manuel Marcial De
Gomar examined them and
said they didn’t come from
those wrecks and were worth
only about $50,000.
King denied Motivation’s motion
to dismiss its claims to the emeralds,
saying he wanted to know why the
company thinks Miscovich should
pay its legal fees.
King demanded a trial in light
of Motivation’s allegations that
Miscovich’s find was a fraud.
Attorney and JTR Enterprises
investor Bruce Silverstein is
expected to testify today.
Expected witness Ken Rose,
owner of a salvage area from
Woman Key to Satan Shoal
known as the Kirby site, was
removed from the witness list
Wednesday. Rose has become an
auxiliary player in the drama due
to Motivation allegations that
some of the emeralds may have
come from the Kirby site and not
the JTR site as Miscovich claims.
“We may never know where
they came from,” Rose said
outside of court. “The only
witnesses in this thing are
hammerheads and jellyfish.”
So Capted, who will win this case in your opinion?
Who or what is NITE?
Jay was still on the stand when the judge called it a day...They will continue his questioning today.
Cmon Capted...What really happened? What are your real thoughts? Do you stand by all the remarks you and X have been saying over the past month or would you like to take this time to recant some of them?
jmo
Capted? ExBex? Are you out there? HELLLLLOOOO? People are dying to know the happenings of todays court proceedings. You would'nt want to keeep the news to yourself would you. One more thing on the Hog Fish Capted...the next time you are there, I suggest you try the Walu. MMMM MMMM MMM. Some tasty stuff. Had it on special and it was GREAT!!!
Hope to hear yinz input soon!!!
JMO
Capted,
Aww yes the Hog Fish...what a merry bunch. Would you like to update the crowd on what you saw in the courtroom today? Or; how about you ExBex maybe you would like to be the first one to say how things went? Are you still sticking to your statements on how Jay is such a bad guy?
I just wonder who might have left the courtroom smiling and whom might have been just a little ticked at the way things seem to be going!!???
Curious...
This is the week we get to see what really happened and possibly who goes home with the emeralds. Cannot wait to see Jay get possession and put these rumors to rest. There have been a couple of peeps regularly accusing Jay of unlawful deeds. Hopefully this week of hearings will shut them up. The he said she said stuff is really getting old. I believe that they are in for a "Big Surprise" and that their allegations are nothing more than that...allegations.
Jay has a flawless record and to me it seems that he really got lucky and a couple here are insanely jealous of his find. I'm happy for him and cannot wait to see him reap the benefits of his find.
Lastly, I am excited to see ORRV get their share... if this is the end, we should at least see a PR from our CEO soon.
Good Luck to Jay and all invested here...
There is no explanation for any of the posts as they are all based upon their opinion...unless someone calls them on it, then they somehow become fact. They state they no nothing and have no contact with the Foscher's organization but then come up with this jargon. They cannot have it both ways. Rather they no something or they don't.
Dont we have some sort of radio interview coming in the near future? I think I remember a PR stating that previously. I believe we will slowly move up and when Alf hits the interview this thing will grow wings.....
EXPU to the MOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Next week we get to find out exactly who knows what...I really believe that we will all be sinceley surprised at what comes to be of this trial and the accusations placed upon JTR by the Fischer's.
All only my opinion.....
X, you are always stating the same things over and over with no factual basis behind anything you say. I appreciate you bringing the pps down, I was able to pick up a few of those shares. I stand behind what I say..Jay wins and ORRV makes a move. We will find out next month! However, when my projections come true next month; I suspect you will vanish...Just my opinion
X
It is clear which side you speak for and represent. The Fischer's are obviously not whom you make them out to be in my opinion after hearing the scams they are up to.
Jay is probably remaining quiet due to his attorneys telling him to do so. ORRV probably has to remain silent on everything due to contract with Jay.
There is nothing new for them to report anyways. Do you really feel they should report on the false allegations upon Jay by your Fischer's. Cmon man...you obviously got someone to sell some cheap shares with your bashing but that just meant some cheap ones for me! You are in for a surprise early next month. I said it once and I'll say it again...Jay wins and ORRV runs...
Imo
Tax write off??!!
I agree with Spinner, don't let the pps fool you! Buy the cheap shares, anything under .10 is a steal. What is coming will be HUGE!!!! The badgers will be gone and this thing will rocket! Toooo. Theeeee. Mooooon!!!!!!!!!
Orrv
Keep up the bashing and the comments on how Jay is in so much trouble. Mark my words and remember this post. We are all in for a big surprise. A good one for Jay supporters and a bad one for the bashers. THis case is over next month and Jay wins!!!
ORRV will be a winner too. TO THE MOON!!!
Truueue, with the amount of shares you have probably accumulated by now, when this is over...you should be able to buy more than a couple rounds!!! Good things coming!!! We are all on for a surprise next month!!!
IMO
August of 2010 Capted? I see a career in DD in your future. That was some digging. I'll continue to watch Spinner's network...lol
Capted,
This is all any of us have had on here is opinions, right? Nobody here is so close to the case that they post all facts...ARE THEY? It just seems that some opinions on here coagulate with what really happens and some dont...Spinner's predictions have all came to be. Yours, on the other hand; have NOT.
I made one in a previous post that by the end of the year you won't be posting here anymore in bashing fashion and that ORRV investors will be mighty surprised and happy!!!!
Let's just see who is right ;0
Lovin this stock right now...Looks to be folllowing suit of another beverage stock out there...bbd*. I believe this one has potential beyond the others with a CEO who decides to update often and reply quickly to emails. Keep up the good work ALF!!
I 100% agree Spinner. They base their fairy tales off pure speculation and offer no proof. If they had any evidence at all, or anything they state was true, I believe this case would have been over long ago. They relate to Fischer's as they are trying to bash Jay with these frivolous court cases...Have you heard anything from Jay's side on how JTR plans to adress these false allegations? :) I hear we are all in for a HUGE surprise...
GOOOOO ORRV
IMO of course
Like I have stated...we are all in for a big surprise with this one. I believe ORRV will move nicely by the end of the year and Jay will be very satisfied with the results from this fiasco. There will be some very unhappy posters on this board. ORRV will be moving along with other endeavors with the $ they get from this case. We have many different options to go moving forward. Check out the ORRV website!!!
ORRV to the moon
Capt,
You dont get to much bigger than 60 min.
Here is my opinion Capted...certain posters on this board change their "deliveries" of their "facts" to best suit what they post at that particular time. You now state he left where in a previous post you state that Jay got rid of him. This tactic is constantly being used on this board by a couple of posters to stir the pot if you will. It is blatent bashing. Nothing more. This is the same tactic being used on Jay by the Fischer's. Constant bologna.
I say Jay got rid of him due to high cost...30K a month is a lot of money. I also say that Jay did not make this decision on his own, but that it came from counsel advising him to. I don't think he left on his own. I believe he was excused by Jay and the rest of the defense team. Doesn't seem to me like he did to much for JTR anyway!!
Like I stated before, we are all in for a big surprise!! Good things to come for Jay and ORRV and bad for the Fischers! What was the reason for Jay's attorney leaving? Or was it that Jay got rid of him? Your statements are contradictive! One time you say HE jumped ship and then you state that JAY got rid of him...which one would you like to go with for the record Capt?