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OT - and another one bites the dust..HNY2UALL......
Dick
go noles.....15M+ ain't bad...
S5 - Don't frequent RB. Too rancorous.....but not for you...huh??
Don't forget about your horse.
Dick
BTW - last post to you.
Straw5 - OT - I know Arch.....Arch is a friend of mine....
Straw5...........you are NO Arch.........
Dick
money - OT - You're welcome.....and thanks for caring.
Dick
gatorclaw,
NOT in your wildest dreams...........imagine!!!
Dick (ustacud)
MS, OT - you have mail.
Hi, folks, OT - There's no one out there I agree with 100% of the time. Also, there's no one out there I DISagree with 100% of the time. NO ONE!! And, yes, most of the time it would be better to bite my tongue and keep quite when there is a difference of opinion. But, hey, what's not to like about a good word battle every now and then.
Let's just keep it civil. Me included!!
BTW - I've shot more game than most and ALWAYS ate what I shot. The second amendment MEANS what it says. I've got LOTS of guns.
Now I hear PETA is going after the Bass fisherman.........what is up with that???
GL2ALL
Dick
JC - OT - I'm with you!!..Getting old ain't for sissy's...And, going from stock bashing to people bashing is a bit much. There's a lot of frustration being vented, here.
I would like to say, however, I know Miss Scarlet, Miss Scarlet is a friend of mine and to those who would bash her............you are NO Miss Scarlet!!!!
And yes, she is, indeed, a LADY!!
And, BTW, this long hair don't cover up my REDNECK!! We have a saying here in the SOUTH.........about you and the horse you rode up on..............!!!
Now, Miss Scarlet, settle down.........sometimes ya jus gotta let the jerks know how it is.
GL2ALL,
Dick
Miss Scarlet,
Thanks for asking. We're just having fun....
Stay charming.
As ever.
Dick
PS - Southern Gentleman ALWAYS defend our Ladies HONOR!!
Hi, folks, OT - But this is especially to Miss Scarlet.
Your being here gives this board a breath of true southern hospitality, intellect, humility and humanity, which would otherwise be absent. While we may not always agree we will ALWAYS remain cordial. My respect for you is unwavering and I will defend your right to your opinions against "ALL" who would attempt otherwise.
My Greatest Respects,
Dick
Tide,
I liked your anecdote. On the one hand, "NOW ya tell me"???
On the other hand.........retired at 59 and don't know how I held down a full time job..........!!
I'll have a long neck with ya some time.......when we get rich off DNAP...........or maybe before!!
Dick
Arch, OT
Very interesting!! Lots of Deer. Lots of opinions. Everyone's got one........even I??? (me?) & you.
Thanks,
Dick
Hi, Again, folks, FYI, again and OT,
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Population Facts:
The rapidly increasing deer population continues to put an unprecedented strain upon woodland ecosystems, agricultural production, residential landscaping, and human health.
Information regarding the current deer population varies, but numbers are projected to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 million animals. Some suburban areas are experiencing deer population densities as high as 30-40 animals (occasionally reaching 100 or more) per square mile (ecosystems begin to degrade when counts rise above 15-20 deer per square mile).
Most deer information concurs that the majority of these high-density deer population areas are located in suburban environments where expensive landscaping has become a deer's primary food source.
Interestingly enough, at the turn of the century, the deer population in the U.S. was actually less than 500,000 animals. This was due primarily to poor deer management that included over-hunting for commercially sold venison (deer meat). Many states actually had to have deer re-introduced from other parts of the country to re-stock their lost deer herds!
There are three types of deer indigenous to North America - Mule Deer, Black Tail Deer, and Whitetail Deer. Of these, the Whitetail Deer is by far the most common, with the Mule and Black Tail found primarily from the Rocky Mountains westward.
Why the deer population increase?
1. Deer thrive in "fringe" areas between woods and open areas where they have both cover and food resources. Development of woodlands and farmland for residential communities produces these ideal environments.
2. Natural predators for the most part have disappeared from most areas in the U.S. In the past, wolves and mountain lions would typically keep deer herds in check.
3. Decreasing numbers of hunters and dwindling hunting locations within suburban environments. The hunter population base is "graying" and with fewer and fewer young hunters taking up the sport, there is less hunting pressure on deer herds.
Many suburban areas have been built up to the point where most, if not all forms of hunting are no longer permitted, thus producing a "predator-free" environment for our four-footed friends.
4. Milder winters and nutritious landscaping and farm crops, often induces does to produce multiple births with greater frequency.
The combined result of these four factors is a deer population that is growing at alarming rates. Over-population of any one species is always a cause for concern. Listed below are a few of the more obvious and challenging deer management problems associated with the proliferation of the Whitetail Deer (Odocoileus virginanus):
Problems Attributed to Deer:
1. Significant increase in the number of cases of Lyme Disease.
Over 16,000 cases were reported in 1999 alone, but it is a known fact that as many as 3-4 times more cases go unreported or undiagnosed. Visit the CDC map that shows case locations.
2. Dramatic increase in automobile and airplane collisions with deer.
More than 1 million vehicles collide with deer each year, causing over 100 human deaths, and more than 1 billion in repair costs. Accidents peak during hunting and mating season.
The state of Connecticut had a 297% increase in the number of deer struck by a vehicle between 1995 and 2000. Aircraft have struck more than 500 deer in the past 10 years.
3. Large scale losses of agricultural crops, landscaping, and gardens. Recent data suggests that deer are now causing nearly $1 billion in farm, garden, and timber damage annually in the U.S. 4. Impedance of woodland tree and native plant regeneration.
For the past ten years or more, deer have been continually browsing virtually all plant material under five feet in height throughout many forest areas. The end result is a loss of many native plants and wildflowers and a significant decrease in the number of young sapling trees that will replace older trees as they die back. The long-term stakes could be dire with erosion and the potential loss of many hardwood forests.
Deer Management: What can be done?
The most obvious deer management answer - reduce the deer herd, is perhaps one of the most difficult and emotionally charged political/social subjects in recent memory. While most everyone agrees that the deer population needs to be reduced in many regions, how to effectively and humanely achieve this has been hotly debated.
The least humane, but most effective deer management technique that will achieve dramatic herd reductions, is achieved by large-scale controlled hunts conducted by expert marksman that are contracted by the local government or municipality. This will be effective as long as the "culling" of deer continues on into the future. If the population is left unchecked it will grow to match or exceed its' previous numbers.
Other options include: Darting female deer with sterility darts - a tedious process that requires darting each doe every season to keep her from reproducing. This technique has proven to be effective in smaller, self-contained environments such as Fire Island, New York, where the technique has proven to be relatively effective.
Capturing and re-locating deer has been demonstrated to have little value as over 90% of the re-located animals perish due to the trauma of being relocated to a new environment in which they have no established feeding patterns.
Some of the above facts and figures were obtained from a recent New York Times article by Andrew Revkin.
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Hello, All, FYI & OT-
The Following Article was Found
ON THE:
National Review Online Weekend, January 13-14, 2001
Outdoors
It’s Raining Deer
Out-of-control herds, out-of-control solutions.
By James A. Swan, Ph.D., the “Media Watch” columnist for
North American Hunter magazine.
Last July, actor Liam Neeson took his Harley Davidson out for a spin near his upstate New York home. The Academy Award-nominated thespian ended the day at the Sharon Hospital with a broken pelvis and multiple lacerations. Neeson, who played a Jedi knight in the latest edition of Star Wars, was not a victim of the Empire. He collided with a deer.
Not that many years ago, in many parts of the U.S., seeing deer was a rare treat. Today, they are everywhere, causing some serious problems. Insurance companies report more than 500,000 deer-car collisions annually, resulting in about 100 human deaths. Several university studies place the total number of deer hit by cars at 4-to-6 times what is reported.
The average insurance claim for a car-deer collision is $2000. Deer damage to agriculture crops and landscaping costs more than $1 billion a year. Lyme disease, carried by deer-borne ticks, has been reported in 43 states. Deer in Michigan have recently been found with tuberculosis, which can spread to humans. Let us not forget that more people are hurt and killed by deer every year than any other species of North American wild game.
What happened?
Prior to Columbus, the deer herd was kept in check by predators — wolves, cougars, bobcats, bears, coyotes, and man. Uncontrolled market hunting and loss of habitat caused by the flood of immigrants drastically reduced the original herd. There are three major species of deer in the U.S. — whitetail, primarily east of the Rockies; mule deer in the Plains; and blacktail along the West Coast.
Whitetails, especially, are quick learners and very fertile. Under ideal conditions a whitetail herd can double in a year. Natural predators are gone in most areas. Hunting continues, but the open acreage in traditional hunting areas seems to grow less in size every year. (In some states annual kills by cars and poachers now exceed the legal hunters' bag.) Whitetails have lost their fear of man, moved into farmlands, suburbs and parks. In 1900, the national whitetail herd was about half a million. Today the whitetail herd exceeds 30 million.
What do we do with all the deer?
The most obvious solution would be to expand man's role as a predator, but in some communities mention of the "h-word" only brings dirty looks, protests, threatening phone calls, and worse. Led by the nation's largest animal rights group, The Humane Society of the U.S. (which does not run shelters or spend money on conserving habitat), animal-rights groups spend millions on defaming the image of hunting. ("Education" and "fund-raising" are frequently the two largest items in their budgets.)
Armed with a new breed of attorney specializing in animal-rights law, anti-hunting groups have also forced many state fish and game departments to practice "defensive wildlife management," developing phone-book-thick environmental-impact statements to answer all anti-hunting accusations made in hearings. In California, home of more anti-hunting groups than any other state, (over 50 and counting), the stack of the annual environmental-impact statements needed to justify the regular hunting season is nearly six feet tall.
About the same time as Neeson's run in with the deer, NBC's Evening News with Tom Brokaw aired a segment called "Wildlife Out of Control." The segment started out well, with accurate statistics on the hundreds of thousands of auto accidents involving deer. Then came the remedy. Two employees of the Humane Society of the U.S. were introduced. The first was a "wildlife biologist" who was shooting does with a dart gun to inject them with a contraceptive. The cost was "about $20 per deer." His actions were backed up by another HSUS representative who asserted that the overpopulation of deer was clear evidence that "hunting as a population-control method is not doing the job." Of course, he failed to say that hunting has not been as effective a wildlife-management tool as it might be because of the opposition by anti-hunters.
Across the U.S., the HSUS and other anti-hunting organizations advocate the use of contraceptives to control urban deer. Nice idea, but according to Dr. Robert Warren of the University of Georgia, contraceptives have never been proven to be effective for wild, free-ranging herds — and the costs quickly skyrocket. To work, a doe must be given an injection of contraceptives twice a year, every year. Unless they are penned, you have to get close enough to shoot them with a syringe dart or a biobullet. The chemicals only cost $20 annually per deer, but man-hours to administer them are costly.
One Ohio suburb spent more than $1000 annually per doe for birth control. Surgical sterilization is the only permanent birth control for deer, and that is even more expensive. Another anti-option is to capture and relocate animals. The costs range from $150-$800 per animal, and upwards of one-quarter die from shock. Guard dogs and fences help, but if neighbors feed deer when they overbrowse an area, the population continues to rise. In short, Harley Davidsons, SUV's, and BMW's have become the only true predators to American deer.
When all else fails, the anti-hunters will sometimes reluctantly allow animal-control sharpshooters, using rifles, to kill off animals. The cost is about $200 to $250 per deer. Why hire a sharpshooter when there are human predators for free?
A growing number of communities across the U.S., fed up with the anti-hunters and overpopulations of deer, are allowing a seasoned corps of hunters, primarily archers, to manage their deer herds, and with great success. According to wildlife biologist C.J. Winand, special urban-archery hunting programs are very successful in metropolitan areas including Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Washington, D.C., Chicago, Detroit, and Minnetonka, MN. Winand reports signing up entire cul-de-sacs in the Baltimore area to allow bowhunters into their back yards, hunting in parcels as small as one acre. Each master urban hunter must pass a course in ethics and safety, demonstrate marksmanship, and contribute a small annual fee that helps cover a $1 million liability insurance policy. Each arrow carries the name of the user to make sure they are not blamed for a nimrod's folly. (Remember there are few archery control laws — yet.)
The Anti-hunters often question the lethality of archery. In controlled studies, there is no significant difference in mortality between deer shot in the heart-lung region with a gun or a bow. Both die within 30 seconds and within 100 yards of where shot. Archery is actually a more "humane" method of harvesting an animal, for it bleeds to death and dies from loss of blood, rather than the shock of a bullet wound. Gunshots frighten people. Archery is quiet and much safer. Hunting is a very safe sport, safer than ping-pong according to the National Safety Council. Bowhunting accounts for only 2% of all hunting accidents — half of these are falls from tree-stands. To date, there have been no injuries to non-hunters in any urban deer hunts.
Some urban archers are harvesting up to 30, yes 30, deer per year. What do they do with the excess meat? In the last three years, one organization covering the Maryland, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and West Virginia area — Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry — has donated more than 500 tons of venison. That's 4,000,000 meals, enough to feed everyone in Washington, D.C. for a week.
Feeding the needy is honorable work, but I would suggest expanding the definition of "needy" to lawmakers. Venison is high in protein and low in saturated fat — health food, good for the brain. FBI Director Louis Freeh has said that eco-terrorists are "The most recognizable single-issue terrorists of the present time." A few meals of venison might move our lawmakers to spend more time and money investigating animal rights groups.
For further reading:
• Bears In The Backyard, Deer In The Driveway, International Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies
• Fertility Control of Urban Deer, by Dr. Robert Warren, Archery Merchants and Manuf. Organization
• Quality Deer Management Association
• Farmers and Hunters Feeding the Hungry
• National Animal Interest Alliance
(good guys who work with animals)
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Stefan - thanks. Now I have a question. Is there any reason why DNAP couldn't have a 20:1 split in the future?
Dick
Hi, folks. -An Observation-
Waiting for DNAP to make me some money is like waiting for
THE LORD to return......I know HE'S coming back but I'm pretty sure it won't be in my lifetime. I'm not going to change my mind about THE LORD, nor, about DNAP
GL2USALL,
Dick
ES - Now that's depressing!! eom
bendriver - YEP!? eom
Hi, Folks,
If you're being displaced by the continuing Katrina disaster I have room for a few MH/RV's. It'd be boondocking but you could shower in the house. So, if you need a safe place to stay for awhile please email me at dickmitchell1@juno.com.
Dick
BTW I'm in Tallahassee.
Chris, do you have a 'guess' as to when that'll be??
Dick
Hi, Folks - I'm guessing Merck cuda bought DNAP for a lot less than $229M and avoided this fiasco. Ya recon any of the other biggies are second guessing themselves???
Dick
IWB - Me too!
Dick
bag - Thanks. I'll stay tuned.
Dick
bag - I don't even want to ask.......but I will......does this mean TF has something to do with Genelex???? and...
if so.......what, exactly does this mean for, and again I hesitate,..........DNAP???
TIA,
Dick
Hi, Folks - There was just a blurb on our local TV station, WCTV, about DNA testing for adverse reactions to certain drugs. They mentioned a company, Genelex Corp. and quoted their founder, Howard Coleman, as saying "The drug reaction testing is clearly going to help solve the adverse drug reaction problem, save thousands of lives per year."
Sounds a lot like what "I" thought DNAP was working on.
You can access the WCTV site by going to WCTV6.com and then looking on the left of the site and find "Mecical Minute". Click on that to see a list and the "Genetic Test for Your Meds" article is at the top.
Not very exciting for us hoping DNAP would get there first.
GL2US,
Dick
FSAIL52 - I think you take too much credit....and suffer unwisely..........I'll bet noone here bought anything based on anything you said. We all made our judgements on what we felt DNAP could do..........it's a shame it's turned out this way. I wish I knew if the reasons behind DNAP's continued drop in SP was malfeasance, mismanagement, fraud or just bad luck. Regardless, it for sure wasn't your fault, and I'll not sell a single share at a loss.......ever. This is not the FIRST money I've ever lost.!! Stuff happens. You pays your money and you takes your chances.........or something like that.
Hope this all turns around and makes this just a bump in the road.
Go drink a beer!!
GL2USALL,
Dick
Ann - Murphy's law....if it can happen.....it will!!
Dick
ann441j, Thanks.........Murphy??
Dick
Ann - and to 'what' do you attribute the triple play???
Here's to HOPE.
Dick
Hi, Guys....FWIW.....I'd much rather read positive posts than negative ones....My can is always "half full"......GL2USALL.. here's to tomorrow.........
Dick
loch3, Well said. My sentiments, also.
Dick
Hi, Folks,
Most of us here, me included, have, over the past couple of years, posted that GREAT things lie ahead for DNAP. Most of our posts were of the 'general' nature pointing to great success for our little company. Some posts used logic, science, PR's and published reports as sources for our prognostications. As the SP and the RS shows we have ALL been wrong. While I take everything posted here with a big grain of salt, it doesn't bother me a whit to have someone tell us to "LOOK OUT" BIG news is coming............I know I get a bigger kick out of that kind of post than those that try to tell us how stupid we are for being invested in DNAP/DNAG.
I truely believe we'll see something good happen to our company, sooner rather than later. And, WE DESERVE IT!!!
GL2USALL
Dick
Hi, Folks,
jeever00, keep on keepin on. I'd much rather read your posts than the bashers (all of which I've put on iggy). I don't know if you have any better incites than the rest of us, but, what tha hey!!...reading what you post is better than reading how bad DNAG is and how we are truely a bunch of idiots for being invested...........so, I hope you have some in's and sometimes just are a bit off on the timing............I'm still LONG here and don't intend to change.
GL2USALL,
Dick
PS - maybe your posts will poff the bashers enough to drive'em to drink.............?????
Hi, folks - per my Scottrade account
DNAG
Last Chg bid ask high low volume time
.132 -.038 .132 .14 .16 .13 527,176 12:45:20
Scottrade up to speed on DNAG
GL2US
Dick
DorseyE - Maybe.....that would be exciting and profitable but sometimes plain old evidence reveals the answer to ethnicity and ancestry.
I'm still long and holding on.........
GL2USALL - GO DNAG
Dick
Parents..........grandparents...........maybe??
Scovillez, I'll guess.......... .01
Dick
Arch, OT - as my ole Dad used to say...."the MAIN thing you want out of college...........is OUT".
Dick
Arch, Been there, done that, twice. Hunt camp (50 acres) and house (10 acres). Had to burn the tops at both places. Lots of work and neat to watch.
As you say, we don't put all our eggs in one basket. Patience and revenues are the keys. The DNAP rewards will come to those who wait.
GL2U,
Dick
Vern - Thanks, Character counts.
Dick