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Well, its factual according to the email I got from MMG.

Now if you're saying their lying provide some evidence to counter it.

Otherwise, its factual.

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so...you have no evidence I take it?

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Listen. I get it. I've read everything on this company. I'm not saying HTDS is by any means on the up and up at all.

All I'm saying is MMG doesn't represent HTDS anymore.

MMG sold all of its preferred shares holdings to Far Niete Capital back in August. You DO know that right?

Here you go.

According to MMG, they don't represent HTDS anymore.

http://yfrog.com/f/1fhtdsnotrepmmgj/

one second. I'll post the reply I got from them. then perhaps we can discuss.

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ZHEJIANG, Nov 18, 2010 (SinoCast Daily Business Beat via COMTEX) --

Novartis is still waiting for the approval of China's Ministry of Commerce for it to acquire the privately-run Zhejiang Tianyuan Bio-Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. (Tianyuan Bio-Pharm), one of the largest vaccine producers based in China's Mainland.

Actually, Novartis as early as last November had made an announcement saying that is would become the controlling shareholder of Tianyuan Bio-Pharm with an 85% stake in the latter. Still, the foreign buyer by far has not received the Chinese regulatory approval yet. Once implemented, this will be the first acquisition in China's vaccine industry. Reports said that the acquisition will totally cost USD 125 million. The result is expected to come out in the coming six months.

As an important vaccine production enterprise of China, Tianyuan Bio-Pharm over 2009 realized the sales revenues of USD 25 million. As for Novartis, it is the world's fifth largest vaccine maker, with the presence in 85 nations across the world. Currently, China is the world's third biggest vaccine market, with the annual sales revenues exceeding USD 1 billion. With the medical reform and the medical market expansion of the country, more business opportunities are expected to emerge in Chinese vaccine market.

The acquisition of Tianyuan Bio-Pharm will be an important step for Novartis to enter the vaccine market of China's Mainland. The buyer vows to further boost the vaccine production business in China and plans to invest a total of USD 1.25 billion for establishing a R&D center and a manufacturing plant in China, according to its CEO.

Another Swiss pharmaceutical maker Nycomed is also eyeing the fast-growing market of China. The company is to acquire a 51.34% stake of Techpool Bio-Pharm Co., Ltd. at a price of USD 210 million. Based in the southern coastal province Guangdong, Techpool Bio-Pharm is specialized in the R&D, manufacturing and marketing of biological medicines. Over the past year, Guangzhou-based Techpool Bio-Pharm gained the sales revenues of CNY 450 million and the figure is expected to reach CNY 570 million this year.

Nycomed is a privately-run pharmaceutical company headquartered in Zurich. Last year, the Swiss company reaped the sales revenues of EUR 3.2 billion and the pretax profits of EUR 110 million. In China, it runs Nycomed China, based in Shanghai, the country's financial center.

After the acquisition this time, Nycomed China and Techpool Bio-Pharm are to continue operating business
independently; but they will establish different kinds of alliances to boost five major pharmaceutical brands. Next year, the combined sales revenues of the two China-based companies are expected to reach CNY 1.5 billion.

(USD 1 = CNY 6.64)

Source: www.nf.nfdaily.cn (November 18, 2010)

i believe those other companies have audited financials.

Actually, DNA doesn't change. But anyway.

what are you talking about!? its not like the company phone line is disconnected, or the website is no longer up, or that the Secretary of State dissolved their incorporation in Florida! There are absolutely ZERO indicators that this company has gone under!!

Thats all well and dandy, but what you call manipulation is standard procedure for mms. You'll be better off learning to play their game then you will be griping and complaining about it. Best of luck.

its not a "trick" its mms doing what they do. stop trying to make it sound nefarious.

I sold half of my position today going on the logic that it'll need news to get past .0002, and that any news (which looks unlikely now) will still take it well past my new, higher break even point.

I'm less optimistic of a pr now - but its still possible.

With the information we had this stock wasn't even about Prop 19 - we're MMJ, which is different, but the momentum on pot in general if it passed could have helped us here.

It does seem as though mm's are doing something with this - though they may be willing to churn it a little in the fifth digit before they let it die again, heres to hoping thats not the case and we get a PR very soon. GL everyone.

thats true - but they might be able to "guesstimate" on the chances of it passing earlier in the night based on the current turnout.

someone with L2. how many mms on the bid? thanks.

Looks like a fairly timid opening for the sector - we may not see any action until wednesday after we know the results.

I don't care if any or ALL of you are selling. I didn't come this far with HESG to sell at .0002 or .0003 or hell anything below the 1 year high.

Now is the time to see if you have a pair of brass balls (sorry ladies I can't think of a reference for you) or not and its that test of strength that will make you deserving of the possible rewards if they do come (I think its more a question of when not if).

Yes we may lose our whole investment in a flash - but again, nothing is lost if you don't sell and great rewards are not gained if nothing is risked. GL, thats my pep talk for the day.

your rendition of the prophet muhammed?

exactly. but at the same time, when prohibition was lifted, I'm sure not ALL alcohol providers succeeded - theres still got to be a well-executed business plan.

To be honest - I'm not even worried about it passing or not. The fact remains that the last we heard HESG was involved in the medical marijuana business (which has nothing to do with Prop 19).

Prop 19 seeks to legalize marijuana use for certain people up to an ounce for recreational use - HESG was PR'ing about getting into medical marijuana. Now, of course, that doesn't mean HESG can't or won't come out with a PR stating to the effect that they've "entered the recreational industry" - and the pps rockets up.

My point is that, as far as we all know, HESG is a medical marijuana stock that could, COULD turn into a recreational provider - but we just don't know yet. I think its important to remember the distinction. Prop 19 could effectively kill the medical marijuana business since people won't need a doctor's prescription and find an approved dispensary etc. The real test if Prop 19 passes is if these medical marijuana dispensaries can transition into "recreational use" companies and do so profitably.

But the momo action which increases investors' focus on "pot stocks" in general may help HESG regardless.

All jmo, trade smart.

looks like that would make it November 3rd then. 1 day after the vote.

I think thats a great attitude - at this point, its all or nothing - OR if it spikes, theres the option, of course, to sell 1/3 or 1/2 and "play with the house's shares" for bigger gains. I personally haven't decided yet on which approach, but I'm leaning towards let it "fly or die."

again - I wish we had some verification that that is really Frank - heres to hoping so!

didn't think I'd get another chance to add at .0002. This is a very rare opportunity to get in on.

just added more with zecco at .0002. if anyone is having trouble try Zecco.

I see what you're saying. unfortunately we don't know what could be motivating market makers to behave that way, but we do know what does motivate them (money, via commissions). the more they make their spread the more money they make - which is another fear - they're just churning this around amongst themselves because they knew us retail investors would bite on this again with Prop 19 coming up. something to keep in mind. still hoping for the best.

Eternalist - perhaps I'm missing something here. You're saying market makers are removing 420 off of your buy orders and marking them as sells?

I'm thinking they can't process your order if its an odd-lot.

see below excerpt from the Quote Rule.

Obligations of responsible brokers and dealers.

1. Every responsible broker or dealer shall promptly communicate to its exchange or association (as the case may be), pursuant to the procedures established by that exchange or association, its bids, offers, and quotation sizes with respect to any subject security.

2. Subject to the provisions of paragraph (c)(3) of this section, every responsible broker or dealer shall be obligated to execute any order to buy or sell a subject security, other than an odd-lot order, presented to him by another broker or dealer, or any other person belonging to a category of persons with whom such responsible broker or dealer customarily deals, at a price at least as favorable to such buyer or seller as the bid price or offer price comprising such responsible broker's or dealer's published bid or published offer (exclusive of any commission, commission equivalent or differential customarily charged by such responsible broker or dealer in connection with execution of any such order) in any amount up to its published quotation size.

I'm being conservative here - but with no news and Prop 19 passing I'm thinking it'll spike to .0008 - but after that people will have expected a PR and if one isn't soon forthcoming we'll probably slide back down and ping pong between .0002-3s for a while.

If we get news and Prop 19 passes we could see .01-.02 (no one knows the share structure is the problem).

Worst case scenario is Prop 19 fails and we here nothing, but even then - its still a shell and Tom, et al., may be waiting to see what they can do with HESG if it passes or fails, meaning they may have it setup to sell if it fails or plan to hop back in the business if it passes.

Tom or whomever is in charge may be waiting to see how things play out before they go forward.

This is all just my opinion - selling or buying is your responsibility.

it could go either way - its an individual risk tolerance kind of thing. all the theories of HESG becoming a shell and being bought up, Tom orchestrating this all along, the yahoo poster from months ago, etc. - are all complete speculation. me personally - I of course want all of this to be true, but right now, with no news from the Company and being completely left in the dark, I'm trying to figure out the potential for this thing with no news at all and Prop 19 approaching. With no information to look at, I've only come to one conclusion - its a complete gamble that could pay off tremendously. huge upside, very low downside.

I think a lot of people are still sitting on the fence waiting for the smallest peep that the company is still even in business and involved in this sector - its the only way we'll get a sustained pps increase imo.

I really want that twitter account to really be Frank - but I have my doubts.

I'm sorry, I am long here, but the time table of facts doesn't necessarily fit your theory. Prop 19 didn't make the ballot until the end of March 2010 - so Tom couldn't of been planning back in winter of squeezing the shorts with Prop 19 and some news.

Now obviously he still could've taken this battle personally and hatched a plan to deal with it - but he couldn't have known for sure that Prop 19 would be a part of it until at least end of March.

lol bad photoshop.

how do we even know if that is Frank?

haha, I was literally two seconds away from posting "holy gigantic volume Batman!" you beat me to it!

2 months and not a word from the Company - heres hoping Terry didn't get run over by a rickshaw.

I think we need to be mindful of the "24-hour" newscycle that could dramatically impact HESG - there has been plenty of buzz on prop 19 so far, but we must remember the buzz won't really pickup until major news outlets start churning up the debate/discussing marijuana decriminalization/gov regulation that will come a couple days before 11/2. I'm thinking late next week we could see a lot of interest Wednesday thru Friday. I've got my tickets and holding more funds if we get news. GL.