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This is my last post ever on any stock board.
I have lost 40% of my entire portfolio and almost 100% of my non 401 K account . I will never buy a stock for myself personally . I also got creamed in 2000. My greed and fear caused me to take very risky behavior. I have to say i am innerly glad and this may turn out to be the greatest day of my life . I have a great job making a six fiqure income and i have a small cash cushion in the bank . Who knows i may even get a few thousand back here . But getting back to this may be the best thing that ever happened to me . All of my life i have been a prisoner to some demon . 20 years ago i gave up alcohol and drugs but i replaced them with a money addiction . The last few days i hit a bottom and have had to surrender to that and i actually feel a new freedom . I am now free not to worry so much about having enough money to be " comfortable " for a guy like me there is never enough comfort . Checking my account every day i was a prisoner .I have gone back to meditating and have rebegun being the real person that i was put on this earth to be.This loss has freed me . I know 90% of you wont understand what i am writing but 10% will . My goal is to live very simply one day in the mountains of Costa Rica . Our simple little house is almost done .I just need 6 more years to get my youngest through middle and high school . Thank God i have my health and my family and today i was given my freedom.
Good luck to you fine people .
This is my last post ever on any stock board.
I have lost 40% of my entire portfolio and almost 100% of my non 401 K account . I will never buy a stock for myself personally . I also got creamed in 2000. My greed and fear caused me to take very risky behavior. I have to say i am innerly glad and this may turn out to be the greatest day of my life . I have a great job making a six fiqure income and i have a small cash cushion in the bank . Who knows i may even get a few thousand back here . But getting back to this may be the best thing that ever happened to me . All of my life i have been a prisoner to some demon . 20 years ago i gave up alcohol and drugs but i replaced them with a money addiction . The last few days i hit a bottom and have had to surrender to that and i actually feel a new freedom . I am now free not to worry so much about having enough money to be " comfortable " for a guy like me there is never enough comfort . Checking my account every day i was a prisoner .I have gone back to meditating and have rebegun being the real person that i was put on this earth to be.This loss has freed me . I know 90% of you wont understand what i am writing but 10% will . My goal is to live very simply one day in the mountains of Costa Rica . Our simple little house is almost done .I just need 6 more years to get my youngest through middle and high school . Thank God i have my health and my family and today i was given my freedom.
Good luck to you fine people .
What about the NT ? Thanks
I believe one of his main tasks was to physically check on the cash every few months.
That is one of the many things that has confounded me . If the cash is there that would give Starr confidence to double their stake. If it was a fraud it was very well crafted. I personally think Jacky screwed up with his " purchase " and Deloitte used this to get out of the frying pan. We will know in short order.
If they announce the engagement of a new reputable auditing team for a forensic audit. Hire a new CFO , issue a press release that the items were not items that the Naz will delist them so they remain on the NAZ and stay halted for a new 10K i will feel much less frightened.
however, what would impel Starr to DOUBLE its stake? one cannot reasonably ignore the facts that Starr:
1. had a key person on the BOD; and
2. had a TON of money invested and elected to invest a TON MORE.
My understanding and correct me if i am am wrong is that Starr had a team member in place under the title of head of internal audit. This person worked right under Jacky .He is the one from Starr who checked the banks balance by going into the bank and physically checking every few months. This is unconfirmed by me and i came to this information second hand . But you dont invest 60 million dollars in China without strict controls .
Having said that i am still very concerned and will be happy to get a %> 50 of my money back .
Overall the board has gone from complete irrational exuberhence to utter despair and the world is ending to putting blinders back on . I hope it is somewhere in the middle. I know i will be criticized for my opinion but honestly i am hoping but still very doubtful.
Excellent and I agree. As always Bill thank you
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/post_new.aspx?board_id=16418
One possibility is that CCME may have determined today that it can't make the March 16th filing deadline (after doing everything in its power to make it) but believes it will be able to file the audited numbers in the near future. If CCME does not make the filing deadline, what do people think is going to happen to the stock price regardless of the substance? It will tank below 10. So CCME decides to halt the stock until it can file the 10-K
This is the most logical explanation . I agree 100% with you
Karma, or destiny, is an expression of a beneficial law: the universal trend towards balance, harmony and unity. At every moment, whatever happens now, is for the best. It may appear painful and ugly, a suffering bitter and meaningless, yet considering the past and the future it is for the best, as the only way out of a disastrous situation.
Ignorance is like a fever - it makes you see things which are not there. Karma is the divinely prescribed treatment. Welcome it and follow the instructions faithfully, and you will get well.Nisargadatta
My personal belief is the 10K is taking a lot longer and because of the unprecedented mud slinging the company endured they( SEC) agreed to halt until the company can get things in order
We can only pray
from YMB
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_C/threadview?bn=101061&tid=84739&mid=84739
Semi-Corroborated Knowledge in Beijing
Folks:
We've been working diligently for the past 5 hours attempting to learn any news on the Street in Beijing about the "Halt" ... and then gain some verifiable, corroborated source(s) on these "views" .... what we did discover (and corroborated) was that two independent sources stated that CCME Sr. Mgmt. received a "size-limited" (not a full acquisition) bid proposal to acquire a controlling position in CCME. The proposal was received late in the day on Friday (in Beijing) and Mgmt. was attempting to quickly debrief the Directors on the proposal receipt. There is still one Director who could not be debriefed and with those that were debriefed there were a series of clarification questions assembled. These "clarification requests" are being forwarded to the proposing Party. Too much time was passing late last night ... so at the end of the evening Mgmt., thru consultation with the Firm's new US-based Securities Law Firm requested the NASD to halt trading (T1 Request). We did though receive contradictory information from the Independent Parties -- one was of the view Mgmt. was involved as participating in the Proposal .... but the other Independent Party denied this "view" and stated Mgmt. has had no involvement in the current Proposal being offered.
That is the extent of our knowledge at the moment -- however, given the timing / proximity of this event with next week's Quarterly/Annual release ... has made Mgmt. very nervous -- and thus, they are following the advice and Counsel of a very reputable Legal Counsel in the Firms NYC office.
Hope this helps clarify some of the speculation as we move into the weekend. At his point we have our positions assembled and are not acting upon any of the information set forth today, Friday.
Get lost you loon .........
I love Joe between him and Burp i am good for several belly laughs each day. They say what i sometimes think but wont say.
so then is my point valid or not ?
Since your last post here posters have given you many solid facts. None of them personal in nature .I think as a journalist and for your integrity you need to address these facts.
Rick there are some very bright people here
( excluding me ) . This is not the YMB board.We are eagerly waiting for your responses .
How can they give Carson Block credibility?
This guy Carson is just a front man to some very big deep pocket hedge funds. This is a very small world . These guys have each others phone numbers. People have made a lot of money off what has been going on. I personally believe some of it is pay back or look the other way because the reverse mergers skipped paying the typical wall street entrance fees.I do not think the FBI could find Carson today but Herb , Jimmy and the gang are on speed dial . 20 million shares flipped by 10 dollars several days in a row is certainly a hedge fund . Not a couple of old Trojans.
Apparently CCME's clients have been inundated with requests such as this
Just catching up here . You make an excellent point. Chinese culture is very careful to begin with . English speaking or poor Chinese language speakers calling about business associations are going to be told no . Of course thats exactly what some of them ( Carson) knew would happen . These thieves know the culture and they gamed it to their advantage .
He had been pursuing the path of calling top10 clients and failing to get verification of their relationship with CCME
What kills me if someone that a Chinese company has an ad agency relationship gets a call asking if they have a relationship with an advertising firm they are almost always going to get blown off. These companies only give that information out when it benefits them . Some stranger calls and asks what usually is considered proprietary information and they get blown off . Ad agencies are in a very competitive environment.So even an honest person calling to check on a relationship will not be given company information . Try calling Google or General Motors asking for a customer list.
Welcome . I am glad to have you.
We are building a house in Costa Rica . My wife is a Tica .This article may help you . Just remember caution is the word . I am very careful when and how i access the internet especially in " internet cafes " which is where most travelers access the internet .I usually use a family members hardwire connection . You can probably go to an internet cafe and pay them to connect your computer to a hardwire connection with just an ether net cable but if you are using a wireless only device use it with caution.99% nothing happens but i have seen other stories where people have been hacked.
http://www.therealcostarica.com/technology_costa_rica/wireless_wifi_costa_rica.html
Yes and i am the oldest !
Great name and cool cartoon
Doofenshmirtz Evil Incorporated
Your post made me think of this recent very funny commercial about Sharks
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In particular, he removed posts of rantobranco, who started to believe things were wrong with CCME, sold out his shares and explicitly complained that the investorshub did not entertain opposite opinions which did not help one to make rational investment decisions which require very sane mind.
Another lie by Chia . The moderator removed my posts because i personally asked him too . I was frustrated and attacked my buddy Rato and i asked the moderator to remove the posts because i made it personal . After calming down i realized i was wrong so thats why things were deleted .
OMG cant he( Chiam ) get anything right . He even screws up the gossip column.
Read the GH report, I'm back in.
I can not tell you how happy this makes me .
The report was excellent and once it is fully digested and Jacky starts laying out the shorts for road killwith good news releases we will all be sitting pretty . Its a good day in CCME land.
What really Irks me is all of the people who are piling on after the fact . They may be presenting valid points but it is their timing that is very questionable .Where where these long winded arguments when the stock was at 20 ? Who spends hours upon hours holding a mid level China stock up to standards higher than IBM when they have no position in the stock . So far the MW fraud arguments have been false but when people who have no position in a company spend hours writing negative posts holding a company to higher standards than any company out there its just crazy .I am just tired of people kicking the company while its down . I understand MW but some of the other posters have some other issues that just are not normal .
Why I think CCME isn't a fraud and good for long-term
http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/505133-andy-li/138092-why-i-think-ccme-isn-t-a-fraud-and-good-for-long-term-investors
China Media Express (CCME) has been the most volatile stock with large volumes in the last few days. It soared from $19 to $23 in two business days and retreated to $13 within only 3 days. The float is around 11 million but the daily trading volume is more than 6 million recently. We have seen the “longs” and the “shorts” debate each day and I would like to discuss my thoughts about CCME as below.
In my opinion, the recent rally of CCME is mainly due to some wishful thinking of a short squeeze on CCME. Because CCME had been on REG SHO Threshold List for more than 9 days and if CCME continues to be in that list for another 4 business days, a forced order from brokerage at the day 16 would produce a short squeeze of a lifetime in CCME. People are very bullish on this and push the stocks to a new 52 weeks high. However, I think it is worthwhile to recall an old Wall Street saying: buy a stock in uncertain times and sell when it is certain. When not so many investors know about REG SHO, the people are chasing CCME and pushing it up. When many investors know about REG SHO, CCME becomes a certainty to the investors and the investors need to reap the profits to avoid a large pull back. This has nothing to do with any fundamentals but just a way to protect your own fortune.
At this moment, I would like to discuss my view of CCME and the investment strategy.
The good news for CCME is that CCME is a fast growing company with 100% revenue growth year after year. The current P/E is less than 7 and a top tier investment firm, the Starr Investments led by Hank Greenberg (previous CEO at the AIG), has injected 30 million into CCME.
In the meantime, the company commenced a new dividend policy and promised to pay dividends in the future. Last September CCME also approved a stock repurchase program. CCME was ranked number one in the ‘2011 Forbes China 200 small-to-mid sized companies with the most potential.’
CCME operates the largest television advertising network on inter-city and airport express buses within China. An investigation of its legitimacy has been conducted, with the findings posted at ccme-info.xanga.com/
However, like other Chinese Reverse-Merge colleagues, CCME was attacked by short sellers.
In recent reports issued by Citron Research and Muddy Waters, among others, CCME was accused of fraud and said to be too good to be true. Consequently, CCME plunged and a debate began between the “longs” and the “shorts.” In this article, I will not discuss their claims one by one but rather focus on whether CCME is a black box or a phantom company.
First of all, the CTR Market Research, responsible for validating VISN’s audience metrics and ad effectiveness, provides a demographic analysis of CCME at
http://www.scribd.com/doc/37128828/CTR-Aug-2008-Research-Report-on-CCME
CTR was also shown in the VISN annual report, proving its authority. Buses are still the major form of transportation in China and many of my friends in China profess to buying things based on bus ads.
Secondly, short sellers claimed that finding CCME through search engines like Bidu or Google was impossible. However, inputting ‘??????’ into baidu.com will cause lots of articles appear, clearly indicating CCME’s existence. When using Google, try to input the search term ‘Fujian Fenzhong.’
The following links are evidence of CCME’s existence:
http://www.cnadtop.com/news/vision/2010/8/2/578d5f78-6a1a-4ff3-aa7e-d6bf2fcd55d0_2.htm (No.9 is CCME)
CCME also announced that they had more than 28000 buses in the network according to SINA, the largest Chinese online media company.
fj.sina.com.cn/business/2010-12-29/11394...
CCME (Fujian Fenzhong) receives substantial government support, as can be seen at:
http://www.fjgd.gov.cn/gsgg/200912/t20091214_178854.htm
The solid support provided by the government clearly identifies CCME’s existence and validates its high profile.
Thirdly, investors and auditors know that the cash balance for a company is hard to falsify. When auditors examine the cash balance, they require the bank to provide monthly or quarterly statements directly to the auditing firm. These statements contain all the transactions that have occurred during that month or quarter. Because this information is provided by banks, it’s very unlikely that banks are also participating in fraud. If the bank makes no mistake, then the only suspected party is Deloitte, whom I don’t believe will bear the risk to help a mid-cap Chinese company to fake their financial statements. Besides Deloitte’s due diligence, Starr also invested more than $30 million into CCME and must have checked their money very carefully.
Finally, before we accept one short seller on Citron’s claims about CCME, let us review Citron’s past record. I was very surprised that Citron published an article in 2009 and was urged to offer EDU with a target price of $14.25. As of today, this stock has rebounded to ~100$, from ~50$ in 2009, and is considered as one of safest Chinese stocks. Muddy Waters had gained their reputation in the case of Rino. However, they published several articles in mid-2009 to claim that ONP was guilty of fraud. ONP fought back quickly and proved its existence without being involved with fraud. It is human nature to remember MW’s good hit on RINO, but forget their unsuccessful allegations about ONP.
Please also note that CCME is now observing a quiet period before its quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed. During the quiet period, investors should not expect the company to release any material information such as dividend policy, share repurchase program, etc. Once the next quarterly earnings release is published, all the doubts about its dividend and share repurchase policy will be clarified by the company’s press release.
At this moment, I am confident with my research on CCME. To earn above average premiums, I switched to options. I am thankful for options and their liquidity provided by day-to-day market-makers (MM). The option traders tried to hedge their risks through delta and gamma. These two terms are first mathematical in nature, and second, derivatives of underlying stock prices. We don't need to discuss them in a quantitative manner, but what you need to remember is that option traders always hedge their positions. However, what does this mean? When they buy some options, they short underlying stocks according to some calculated numbers. When they short options, they long their stocks. It's easy to see that when short-squeezing happens, option traders find it difficult to do an "exact hedge" and the option prices may simply go in one direction only. The stocks of CCME are very volatile now, so its OTM options may always bear more premiums compared to their peers. Because of this, selling some deep OTM put options for CCME, along with long shares, is my strategy to earn higher yields.
Why I think CCME isn't a fraud and good for long-term
http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/505133-andy-li/138092-why-i-think-ccme-isn-t-a-fraud-and-good-for-long-term-investors
China Media Express (CCME) has been the most volatile stock with large volumes in the last few days. It soared from $19 to $23 in two business days and retreated to $13 within only 3 days. The float is around 11 million but the daily trading volume is more than 6 million recently. We have seen the “longs” and the “shorts” debate each day and I would like to discuss my thoughts about CCME as below.
In my opinion, the recent rally of CCME is mainly due to some wishful thinking of a short squeeze on CCME. Because CCME had been on REG SHO Threshold List for more than 9 days and if CCME continues to be in that list for another 4 business days, a forced order from brokerage at the day 16 would produce a short squeeze of a lifetime in CCME. People are very bullish on this and push the stocks to a new 52 weeks high. However, I think it is worthwhile to recall an old Wall Street saying: buy a stock in uncertain times and sell when it is certain. When not so many investors know about REG SHO, the people are chasing CCME and pushing it up. When many investors know about REG SHO, CCME becomes a certainty to the investors and the investors need to reap the profits to avoid a large pull back. This has nothing to do with any fundamentals but just a way to protect your own fortune.
At this moment, I would like to discuss my view of CCME and the investment strategy.
The good news for CCME is that CCME is a fast growing company with 100% revenue growth year after year. The current P/E is less than 7 and a top tier investment firm, the Starr Investments led by Hank Greenberg (previous CEO at the AIG), has injected 30 million into CCME.
In the meantime, the company commenced a new dividend policy and promised to pay dividends in the future. Last September CCME also approved a stock repurchase program. CCME was ranked number one in the ‘2011 Forbes China 200 small-to-mid sized companies with the most potential.’
CCME operates the largest television advertising network on inter-city and airport express buses within China. An investigation of its legitimacy has been conducted, with the findings posted at ccme-info.xanga.com/
However, like other Chinese Reverse-Merge colleagues, CCME was attacked by short sellers.
In recent reports issued by Citron Research and Muddy Waters, among others, CCME was accused of fraud and said to be too good to be true. Consequently, CCME plunged and a debate began between the “longs” and the “shorts.” In this article, I will not discuss their claims one by one but rather focus on whether CCME is a black box or a phantom company.
First of all, the CTR Market Research, responsible for validating VISN’s audience metrics and ad effectiveness, provides a demographic analysis of CCME at
http://www.scribd.com/doc/37128828/CTR-Aug-2008-Research-Report-on-CCME
CTR was also shown in the VISN annual report, proving its authority. Buses are still the major form of transportation in China and many of my friends in China profess to buying things based on bus ads.
Secondly, short sellers claimed that finding CCME through search engines like Bidu or Google was impossible. However, inputting ‘??????’ into baidu.com will cause lots of articles appear, clearly indicating CCME’s existence. When using Google, try to input the search term ‘Fujian Fenzhong.’
The following links are evidence of CCME’s existence:
http://www.cnadtop.com/news/vision/2010/8/2/578d5f78-6a1a-4ff3-aa7e-d6bf2fcd55d0_2.htm (No.9 is CCME)
CCME also announced that they had more than 28000 buses in the network according to SINA, the largest Chinese online media company.
fj.sina.com.cn/business/2010-12-29/11394...
CCME (Fujian Fenzhong) receives substantial government support, as can be seen at:
http://www.fjgd.gov.cn/gsgg/200912/t20091214_178854.htm
The solid support provided by the government clearly identifies CCME’s existence and validates its high profile.
Thirdly, investors and auditors know that the cash balance for a company is hard to falsify. When auditors examine the cash balance, they require the bank to provide monthly or quarterly statements directly to the auditing firm. These statements contain all the transactions that have occurred during that month or quarter. Because this information is provided by banks, it’s very unlikely that banks are also participating in fraud. If the bank makes no mistake, then the only suspected party is Deloitte, whom I don’t believe will bear the risk to help a mid-cap Chinese company to fake their financial statements. Besides Deloitte’s due diligence, Starr also invested more than $30 million into CCME and must have checked their money very carefully.
Finally, before we accept one short seller on Citron’s claims about CCME, let us review Citron’s past record. I was very surprised that Citron published an article in 2009 and was urged to offer EDU with a target price of $14.25. As of today, this stock has rebounded to ~100$, from ~50$ in 2009, and is considered as one of safest Chinese stocks. Muddy Waters had gained their reputation in the case of Rino. However, they published several articles in mid-2009 to claim that ONP was guilty of fraud. ONP fought back quickly and proved its existence without being involved with fraud. It is human nature to remember MW’s good hit on RINO, but forget their unsuccessful allegations about ONP.
Please also note that CCME is now observing a quiet period before its quarterly report on Form 10-Q filed. During the quiet period, investors should not expect the company to release any material information such as dividend policy, share repurchase program, etc. Once the next quarterly earnings release is published, all the doubts about its dividend and share repurchase policy will be clarified by the company’s press release.
At this moment, I am confident with my research on CCME. To earn above average premiums, I switched to options. I am thankful for options and their liquidity provided by day-to-day market-makers (MM). The option traders tried to hedge their risks through delta and gamma. These two terms are first mathematical in nature, and second, derivatives of underlying stock prices. We don't need to discuss them in a quantitative manner, but what you need to remember is that option traders always hedge their positions. However, what does this mean? When they buy some options, they short underlying stocks according to some calculated numbers. When they short options, they long their stocks. It's easy to see that when short-squeezing happens, option traders find it difficult to do an "exact hedge" and the option prices may simply go in one direction only. The stocks of CCME are very volatile now, so its OTM options may always bear more premiums compared to their peers. Because of this, selling some deep OTM put options for CCME, along with long shares, is my strategy to earn higher yields.
I also say this and then i am going to stop reading posts that are based solely on investors perception .
If i take 1000 average TV watchers and force them to watch MSNBC every night between 8 pm and 10 pm and i ask them a political question the results will be swayed one way left .
If i take the same group of people and have them watch Fox between 8 pm and 10 pm and ask the same political question i may get a different answer to the right. Now i am going to go conspiracy . We have been subject to one channel for a year in this country. The Chanos , Greenburg shaft channel . Are they pointing facts . Yes but they are also presenting a lot of conjecture .
dozens of chinese companies listed on US exchanges have been fraudulent
Could you give me the ratio comparisons of proven frauds vs totals ? China OTC vs US OTC and so on . China Naz vs US Naz frauds ?
I am not trying to criticize the board but after reading through the posts today i feel this board is spending too much time arguing conspiracy theories. I wouldn't spend to much time trying to explain hard science to X file scientist type of guy . I personally feel no matter how cleverly wrapped the majority of these posts are someone short or looking to get back in at a lower price .I also feel that much of the danger of the general public accepting these tarot reading shorts have passed .
http://seekingalpha.com/article/251653-why-ccme-fraud-claims-don-t-hold-up?source=yahoo
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_(A_to_Z)/Stocks_C/threadview?m=tm&bn=101061&tid=59342&mid=59342&tof=4&frt=1
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Why CCME Fraud Claims Don't Hold Up
http://seekingalpha.com/article/251653-why-ccme-fraud-claims-don-t-hold-up?source=yahoo
I'm currently long China MediaExpress Holdings (CCME). But before I was, I heard the whispers of fraud, which have now become flat out screams. As a result, I spent several hundred hours combing through documents, message boards, reading articles and building my own model of the company which I ultimately put on line at investorshub.com for other potential investors to review.
I knew there was a community of bears that were casting doubt on this company's financials. I read the bullish articles by Chimin Sang that were posted here and here on SA last summer. I also talked to a hedge fund manager who mentioned during our chat that Chimin had changed his investment thesis on the company and was ready to publish a negative article. That was 2 months ago. Again to put it in context, I was not yet invested in the company, still doing my own research to determine whether to put any money to work in the name. This period of research led to my conclusion that the accusations of the short community were unfounded, so I started building my position in the stock.
Looking back now it's hard to come up with a complete list of all the claims that have been made. Muddy Waters and Citron in their reports, and shorts on various message boards have thrown out quite a few, so I won't claim this is a complete list. However, identifying some is helpful in framing (bad choice of words I know) the rest of this blog. Here's a few that come to mind:
Revenue in 2009 was less than 20% of the $95m in the audited 10k.
There is an underground organization that infuses cash on a short term basis into companies looking to intentionally overstate cash balances to support reported revenues.
Buses under contract and bus operators are dramatically less than claimed by the company.
The SAT and SAIC filings don't match the reported revenues of the company.
Customers listed by the company as top advertisers have never heard of them.
Insiders are not shareholder friendly because they either own too many shares (never too much for me), have an incentive in the form of earnout shares (for a 6 fold increase in net income), are buying shares with borrowed money (no evidence) or selling shares at distressed prices (one owner decided to liquidate for personal liquidity purposes).
They must be a house of cards because they don't own the buses where the screens display the advertising.
There are dozens more but I particularly like #6, so I'll stop there for purposes of this article.
The perspective of this article is to reflect on who would have to be in on this for the claims of fraud to be believable. I can determine only two scenarios where this degree of fraud could exist: 1) The management team and Deloitte became conspirators in late 2009 when hired to audit the 10k, or 2) There are many co-conspirators that have to be in on the fraud and so coordinated that they fooled Deloitte during the 2009 audit process as well as during the quarterly reviews of 10Q's. I'll take a quick look at each alternative next.
Could Deloitte be involved in a blatant fraud of this magnitude? Before anyone routinely dismisses this premise you have to admit that historically, fraud has been found to exist in capital markets. Auditors are human and as such they are subject to the same greed/temptation as anyone else. However as I reflect back on the history of fraud where a top notch audit firm was complicit, I have not found an example that fits the fact pattern of CCME. This is a company that was small in 2009 with less than $30 million in net income. The service fees for Deloitte are miniscule relative to the firm so the motivation of the partner and office to participate seems improbable.
I know that many posters have attempted to discredit the firm Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu as not being part of Deloitte so I might as well address that up front.
"Deloitte” is the brand under which tens of thousands of dedicated professionals in independent firms throughout the world collaborate to provide audit, consulting, financial advisory, risk management and tax services to selected clients. These firms are members of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited ((DTTL)), a U.K. private company limited by guarantee. Each member firm provides services in a particular geographic area and is subject to the laws and professional regulations of the particular country or countries in which it operates. DTTL does not itself provide services to clients. DTTL and each DTTL member firm are separate and distinct legal entities, which cannot obligate each other. DTTL and each DTTL member firm are liable only for their own acts or omissions and not those of each other. Each DTTL member firm is structured differently in accordance with national laws, regulations, customary practice, and other factors, and may secure the provision of professional services in its territory through subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities.
This description comes from Deloitte's website.
Just like CCME has different subsidiaries that are set up for various legal and tax reasons, so does Deloitte with separate partnerships. That doesn't make the audit standards any less strict.
For those that don't understand the audit standards of the Big Four or the process that occurs once claims of fraud are heard, it goes something like this: The SEC has undoubtedly been in contact with the Liaison office of Deloitte's U.S. National Office. The national office is now likely overseeing the local office of Deloitte Tohmatsu. This is standard procedure for all the Big 4 audit firms that have clients listed on U.S. exchanges. Therefore, any fraud being perpetrated would not only have to include the local engagement partner and staff of Deloitte Tohmatsu, but that group would either have to be sophisticated enough to fool professionals trained to deal with fraud at the highest level of the firm, or these National Office partners are in on it too. Starts to get pretty so unbelievable that it's not really worth even addressing. If any reader wants to seriously consider that possibility just look at the annual billings of Deloitte and Deloitte Tohmatsu consider what would possibly cause them to take that risk for a company with CCME's billing potential.
Could CCME have fooled Deloitte by forging documents and setting up a network of outsiders that are complicit in the fraud? Seems far fetched but auditors have been fooled before so let's look at what would be required. Again realize that with the fraud publicity this is currently under a microscope with partners in the National Office overseeing the level of testing and documentation that is being scrutinized. This was not the case during the 2009 audit or the quarterly 10Q reviews so I'm only assuming normal audit standards. For this level of fraud to have occurred it would take the following players to be coordinated:
All the management team and board of CCME.
Banks, who are submitting directly to the audit team, statements that include balances, deposits and withdrawal details.
Virtually all customers, as the degree of claimed overstatement of revenues is so extreme it couldn't be focused on a limited number. These customers or individuals would have to represent themselves as customers with fake addresses, phone numbers, stationary and the like to fool a team of professional auditors. Remember the audit function doesn't rely on company documents but rather direct confirmation from customers responding directly to the audit team.
A large percentage of bus operators who would be receiving significant checks that are cashed to fool the auditors, and who then surreptitiously funnel the cash back to the company or this supposed underground organization.
A significant number of advertising agencies who are acting the part of an outside sales team selling the ad minutes on behalf of the company.
The advertising association that lists the company on their list of top advertisers (despite attempts to claim this isn't the case).
I could go on but it seems pointless. I'm not saying the company is pristine. It is relatively small and still learning the requirements of being a U.S.-listed company. CCME is a microcap and should be considered in that light. I'm just saying that a fraud, to the extent others are claiming, requires a set of assumptions that I for one can't envision.
For any potential investors that are judiciously sitting on the sidelines due to the tug of war going on in the stock let me add a final point. Once the 2010 audit is finalized, CCME will have been vetted by the best practices that Deloitte at the National headquarters has laid out. It will also be to a degree beyond any normal sampling methodology that is commonly used. That's the standard whenever a client being audited raises the risk profile due to an external perception that fraud could exist. At that point I would hope that fundamental analysis would start carrying some weight.
Disclosure: I am long CCME.
Why CCME Fraud Claims Don't Hold Up
http://seekingalpha.com/article/251653-why-ccme-fraud-claims-don-t-hold-up?source=yahoo
I'm currently long China MediaExpress Holdings (CCME). But before I was, I heard the whispers of fraud, which have now become flat out screams. As a result, I spent several hundred hours combing through documents, message boards, reading articles and building my own model of the company which I ultimately put on line at investorshub.com for other potential investors to review.
I knew there was a community of bears that were casting doubt on this company's financials. I read the bullish articles by Chimin Sang that were posted here and here on SA last summer. I also talked to a hedge fund manager who mentioned during our chat that Chimin had changed his investment thesis on the company and was ready to publish a negative article. That was 2 months ago. Again to put it in context, I was not yet invested in the company, still doing my own research to determine whether to put any money to work in the name. This period of research led to my conclusion that the accusations of the short community were unfounded, so I started building my position in the stock.
Looking back now it's hard to come up with a complete list of all the claims that have been made. Muddy Waters and Citron in their reports, and shorts on various message boards have thrown out quite a few, so I won't claim this is a complete list. However, identifying some is helpful in framing (bad choice of words I know) the rest of this blog. Here's a few that come to mind:
Revenue in 2009 was less than 20% of the $95m in the audited 10k.
There is an underground organization that infuses cash on a short term basis into companies looking to intentionally overstate cash balances to support reported revenues.
Buses under contract and bus operators are dramatically less than claimed by the company.
The SAT and SAIC filings don't match the reported revenues of the company.
Customers listed by the company as top advertisers have never heard of them.
Insiders are not shareholder friendly because they either own too many shares (never too much for me), have an incentive in the form of earnout shares (for a 6 fold increase in net income), are buying shares with borrowed money (no evidence) or selling shares at distressed prices (one owner decided to liquidate for personal liquidity purposes).
They must be a house of cards because they don't own the buses where the screens display the advertising.
There are dozens more but I particularly like #6, so I'll stop there for purposes of this article.
The perspective of this article is to reflect on who would have to be in on this for the claims of fraud to be believable. I can determine only two scenarios where this degree of fraud could exist: 1) The management team and Deloitte became conspirators in late 2009 when hired to audit the 10k, or 2) There are many co-conspirators that have to be in on the fraud and so coordinated that they fooled Deloitte during the 2009 audit process as well as during the quarterly reviews of 10Q's. I'll take a quick look at each alternative next.
Could Deloitte be involved in a blatant fraud of this magnitude? Before anyone routinely dismisses this premise you have to admit that historically, fraud has been found to exist in capital markets. Auditors are human and as such they are subject to the same greed/temptation as anyone else. However as I reflect back on the history of fraud where a top notch audit firm was complicit, I have not found an example that fits the fact pattern of CCME. This is a company that was small in 2009 with less than $30 million in net income. The service fees for Deloitte are miniscule relative to the firm so the motivation of the partner and office to participate seems improbable.
I know that many posters have attempted to discredit the firm Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu as not being part of Deloitte so I might as well address that up front.
"Deloitte” is the brand under which tens of thousands of dedicated professionals in independent firms throughout the world collaborate to provide audit, consulting, financial advisory, risk management and tax services to selected clients. These firms are members of Deloitte Touche Tohmatsu Limited ((DTTL)), a U.K. private company limited by guarantee. Each member firm provides services in a particular geographic area and is subject to the laws and professional regulations of the particular country or countries in which it operates. DTTL does not itself provide services to clients. DTTL and each DTTL member firm are separate and distinct legal entities, which cannot obligate each other. DTTL and each DTTL member firm are liable only for their own acts or omissions and not those of each other. Each DTTL member firm is structured differently in accordance with national laws, regulations, customary practice, and other factors, and may secure the provision of professional services in its territory through subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities.
This description comes from Deloitte's website.
Just like CCME has different subsidiaries that are set up for various legal and tax reasons, so does Deloitte with separate partnerships. That doesn't make the audit standards any less strict.
For those that don't understand the audit standards of the Big Four or the process that occurs once claims of fraud are heard, it goes something like this: The SEC has undoubtedly been in contact with the Liaison office of Deloitte's U.S. National Office. The national office is now likely overseeing the local office of Deloitte Tohmatsu. This is standard procedure for all the Big 4 audit firms that have clients listed on U.S. exchanges. Therefore, any fraud being perpetrated would not only have to include the local engagement partner and staff of Deloitte Tohmatsu, but that group would either have to be sophisticated enough to fool professionals trained to deal with fraud at the highest level of the firm, or these National Office partners are in on it too. Starts to get pretty so unbelievable that it's not really worth even addressing. If any reader wants to seriously consider that possibility just look at the annual billings of Deloitte and Deloitte Tohmatsu consider what would possibly cause them to take that risk for a company with CCME's billing potential.
Could CCME have fooled Deloitte by forging documents and setting up a network of outsiders that are complicit in the fraud? Seems far fetched but auditors have been fooled before so let's look at what would be required. Again realize that with the fraud publicity this is currently under a microscope with partners in the National Office overseeing the level of testing and documentation that is being scrutinized. This was not the case during the 2009 audit or the quarterly 10Q reviews so I'm only assuming normal audit standards. For this level of fraud to have occurred it would take the following players to be coordinated:
All the management team and board of CCME.
Banks, who are submitting directly to the audit team, statements that include balances, deposits and withdrawal details.
Virtually all customers, as the degree of claimed overstatement of revenues is so extreme it couldn't be focused on a limited number. These customers or individuals would have to represent themselves as customers with fake addresses, phone numbers, stationary and the like to fool a team of professional auditors. Remember the audit function doesn't rely on company documents but rather direct confirmation from customers responding directly to the audit team.
A large percentage of bus operators who would be receiving significant checks that are cashed to fool the auditors, and who then surreptitiously funnel the cash back to the company or this supposed underground organization.
A significant number of advertising agencies who are acting the part of an outside sales team selling the ad minutes on behalf of the company.
The advertising association that lists the company on their list of top advertisers (despite attempts to claim this isn't the case).
I could go on but it seems pointless. I'm not saying the company is pristine. It is relatively small and still learning the requirements of being a U.S.-listed company. CCME is a microcap and should be considered in that light. I'm just saying that a fraud, to the extent others are claiming, requires a set of assumptions that I for one can't envision.
For any potential investors that are judiciously sitting on the sidelines due to the tug of war going on in the stock let me add a final point. Once the 2010 audit is finalized, CCME will have been vetted by the best practices that Deloitte at the National headquarters has laid out. It will also be to a degree beyond any normal sampling methodology that is commonly used. That's the standard whenever a client being audited raises the risk profile due to an external perception that fraud could exist. At that point I would hope that fundamental analysis would start carrying some weight.
Disclosure: I am long CCME.
I remember when UTA was under a similar but smaller type of attack then CCME is under.INfact the allegations were a lot more serious looking . I bought 100000 worth of the stock at 3.60 and got scared out at 4.25 by the same type of horse crap . I made a nice profit but UTA is easily a 10$ stock in the near future if your not a little old lady At&T type of investor
Is China Media Express Still a Buy?
Some of the comments by fellow longs are excellent . Joe N makes some excellent points in comments
Is China Media Express Still a Buy?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/251367-is-china-media-express-still-a-buy?source=yahoo
A couple weeks ago, I mentioned China Media Express (CCME) in an article on undervalued Chinese investment opportunities. Take into consideration that the title has “buy at your own risk” in it, and hopefully you can see that I understand the risks with this company. This company, as is the case with many in China, is high risk but also high reward. CCME seemed worth the risk.
From a valuation standpoint, they were and are a screaming buy. Their revenues are solid and their margins seem appropriate. According to their records, cash on hand is healthy and they are growing very quickly. Starr is convinced they are legitimate and they are audited by Deloitte. Taking everything at face value, along with reaching out to some of my contacts in China, it seems like a good story. So, I added them to my list of cheap China picks. I did this knowing full well the risks inherent not only in CCME, but in Chinese ADRs as a whole. Recently, however, there has been some negative press that needs to be sorted out before I regain confidence in the stock. Last week, claims were made by a few research “firms” that CCME had grossly overstated their revenues, lied about certain crucial aspects of their business and made other egregious errors typical of a “pump-and-dump” scheme.
Normally I have no time for research advice from shorts. Their spin is self-serving and their views on companies as investments can be hacked at best. Also, I find it odd that a stock historically targeted by shorts would receive three passionately negative reports in such rapid succession. I’m not saying the releases were orchestrated and I’m not saying they weren’t. It is odd though, isn’t it? There have been several strong articles of late on CCME and the legitimacy of their business. One in particular from Chimin Sang is worth reading. He points out several statements by CCME that are either brazen overstatements or downright lies. I won’t repeat news that has already been reported adequately on, but I would like to analyze the case of shorts and bulls for CCME.
After reading the report from Muddy, I question whether they are any more reputable as a research firm than CCME is as a genuine company. They have released very few research opinions, and those of which have been released seem to be oriented more as a market mover than an educational piece. You can read their report and draw your own conclusions on the validity and objective nature of their reporting. The numbers are compelling if true, but where is the logic behind their reasoning? The argument from Bronte is much less biased, and seems more focused on the unknown than anything else. Citron, however, presents a case that questions the very existence of CCME as an actual company.
Citron has searched high and low for the "existence" of CCME in Chinese media and internet; he ends up with a lot of links to Google searches and browser translated Mandarin. The basis of the entire argument is two-fold; he compares companies that he believes are comparable and cries foul when CCME does not appear in major media. It is disconcerting that CCME is absent from many lists in the media, but they are a company that up until recently did not operate in many big cities. Many commenters have pointed out that Andrew Left (the author behind Citron) is a “felon” and a fraud himself. However, he is not as much of a terrorist as many of the bulls are claiming. He has been sued, yes, but he has always won. Some of his targets have actually been convicted of fraud. We’ll have to see, however, if his information is solid as he claims. Class action firm Shapiro Haber & Urmy LLP have decided to investigate the legitimacy of these claims, stating that they are:
Investigating potential violations of the federal securities laws by Citron Research, Andrew Left, Muddy Waters Research and Carson Block in connection with their research reports regarding China MediaExpress (NASDAQ: CCME). The investigation focuses on whether statements in those research reports were materially false and misleading at the time they were made. Specifically, the investigation seeks to determine, among other things, whether the research reports improperly mischaracterized numerous aspects of the Company’s business.
Muddy, Citron and Bronte are short, but here is the position from the bulls. Bulls include Starr, Global Hunter and Mike Koza. The quote from Global Hunter is stale (October 2010), but relates directly to the case at hand. If Global Hunter truly did their due diligence, then this is a particularly intriguing argument from someone that has actually been on the ground in China, not just searching the internet for conspiracies. GH says:
During our recent trip to China, we conducted extensive due diligence and channel checks on CCME’s business. We met with the company's entire management team including six regional managers, checked CCME’s sales contracts and bank statements, and interviewed advertising agencies, direct advertisers and bus operators. We took buses in Beijing, Fuzhou and Guangzhou to view the company’s operation and advertising programs. In addition, we met with a representative from CTR, a market research firm, and two directors at Starr International. Our due diligence results reinforce our thesis on the company and we continue to believe that CCME is a leader in its niche market. We believe the fundamentals of the business remain solid.
Mike Koza, of Marketocracy fame, has been one of the best unknown investors for a long time. Ken Kam of Forbes interviewed Mike Koza here. I urge you to read his entire argument, but this in particular caught my attention in response to the lack of major mention in public media. Koza states that:
CCME has been public just a little over a year. They came public via a low profile method. Reverse mergers are not listed in the Wall Street Journal. All IPOs are usually listed/mentioned in the Journal when they occur, and even before they occur. Thus, VisionChina, which went public via IPO many years ago with major US investment banks, should have a much higher profile in the Chinese media. Plus they operate in the big cities that reporters are based in, whereas up until 2010, CCME had no big-city presence.
This makes perfect sense. A smaller company that doesn’t operate in big cities wouldn’t be on annualized top ten reports. However, even a reverse merger would be on the radar if they were making the money that they are claiming. So, who is right? Gerard Dunn, a recent traveler to China took the time to make the case of CCME to me recently. Stating that:
The buses are incredibly crowded in China. The fare is cheap - around sixty cents - and a majority of the working and middle class use these buses to get to and fro for work and pleasure. The TV screens on buses have a clever mix of ads, cartoons, news, weather and are well viewed. The advertiser has a captured market, and the mix of ads and visually appealing content is very good.
Again, this is not a television company. CCME makes their own content and tries to captivate an audience. The equipment itself is not expensive, as the shorts have pointed out, but the user engagement is supposed to be superior to similar elevator and bus based systems. Gerard was not making a case for the valuation of the company, but rather trying to point out that the company seemed legitimate from his encounters in China. He continued to say that:
The story is real, the need is real, and the potential for growth is huge.
The lines have been drawn between the shorts and the bulls. This is one of the most passionately argued stocks I have ever covered. I am anxious to hear more about the case against Citron and Muddy, and also read any follow up reports they have the fortitude to release in the face of legal action.
One things is certain, CCME needs to respond. The recent rebuttal by the CEO is a non-factor for me, despite the run in stock price; only the most incompetent manager would fail to respond to this sort of attack on the fundamental nature of their business. I will be concerned if CCME does not make inroads towards a concrete case for their numbers, legitimacy and feasibility as a long term business in the coming weeks. Things they could do include an actual investors day, additional auditing, more disclosure of contract details, cooperative statements with advertisers and route information. Until they do thees things, there is too much uncertainty right now in this stock to recommend buying unless your risk tolerance is very high, and your stomach for loss is close to total.
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This is NOT the time to be focusing on these side issues frankly, not when all hell is breathing down the neck of the company. All the stuff you are saying has been true all year long and we didn't seem to care about it then.
Let us not throw gasoline into a fire, let us focus on the short attack inaccuracies for now. Once we have discarded all the silly attacks and see what remains unrefuted, then we can try to complete a "big picture" by taking all these things into account.
This in my opinion is what happens at the bottom of a stock or market that is sold down hard.People question everything . I think it is a completely normal reaction . I do not think it is quite so normal to sell a security and continue to make long negative posts about things that have been known for quite awhile .In Ratos defense i do think Rato realized this yesterday and tried to bow out gracefully and was encouraged to discuss CCME again . If i were him and i had no position i wouldn't waste too much more of my time debating whether Columbus sailed off the edge of the earth or not . We will all be quite assured soon enough one way or the other.
ayn rand also collected social security.
Wow that made me smile . Having said that i love Rato and had agreed with most of what he wrote even in his darkest general posts . Honestly if i had listened to him i would be higher albeit on paper than where i am now .I think what Rato , Skillz and some of the other brightest posters have posted happens in two times . The bottom of a sectors bear market say 10$ oil in 2000 or what you see on american greed when they interview a few investors who sold right before the fraud was discovered . Funny thing is if you presented the same evidence to Rato , Skillz or the others 6 weeks ago by the same shady bloggers they would not have jumped ship but laughed . We are at a turning point with all of our stocks here . The short bloggers have made CCME their little big horn . They think they can cause a delisting like they did with Rino . They have gotten way over confident . I believe they have not covered . I do not criticize anyone for sitting on the sidelines . Its probably the smartest thing to do .
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Well maybe your right . Maybe the sell off was the last straw for most retail longs and they threw in the towel once and for all today . I know myself and several longs felt the same feelings today . So even though no bell was rung today most of the retail longs may have sucummed to the delirium and sold . Its sort of like holding onto to a raft at sea after 4 or 5 days most just let go. I still think more shorts added today than sold . Maybe we got some new shorts . They really have the company in a bad spot with the quiet period . All it would take is one huge long to sell the stock off another dollar or two. I was sick today of the reversal but i wont let go now . We should be rescued soon enough . If i have to drink burps piss then im in trouble . Just kidding burp . We need a good laugh on a day like today
I can tell you i bought and sold twice today
Unfortunately todays wall street is 1000s of machines doing the same thing over and over finding a trend and running it up and doing the opposite .
Im sure a bunch of people have been working since day one this year .I do not expect any cascade of information tomorrow. This company is very slow but deliberate . When the stock sold off to 8 last year there was not great rush .Jackie took until 15 to buy shares .I was surprised to see this AM shareholder letter . Maybe im wrong but im not holding my breath .