bet's friends

[Dobie Lama]

Why turn the flyonpoop to the FBI? Has she been threatening people?

I must admit fly is very annoying, kinda scary that people like that spend so much of their time being absolutely negative.

We should be focused on making money!

[goforthebet]

good to hear that

[Ex Blockman]

Yes, but they are way up north, far from us. There's still a few burning, but
not as bad as a few weeks ago.

[goforthebet]

blockman,

thanks a lot. have a great sunday in your sunny state... what's about the fires?? solved the problem already??

[fourkids_9pets]

Protection For All
Roel Campos, 07.31.08, 5:25 PM ET

Roel Campos
[Supressed Image]

Naked short-selling is a major contributor to market turmoil.

After years of arguing to the contrary, the Securities and Exchange Commission has finally acknowledged that the practice of short-selling without pre-borrowing or locating shares can be harmful to large public companies. It is time that it acknowledges the harm it does to small ones as well.

The SEC's July 15 emergency order, now extended through Aug. 12, aims to halt the naked shorting of mortgage giants Fannie Mae (nyse: FNM - news - people ), Freddie Mac (nyse: FRE - news - people ) and 17 of the largest Wall Street and global financial institutions.

In the broadest sense, this is commendable. The move gives the perception that the SEC is the cop on the beat. It has instilled a renewed vigor that is providing world markets with much-needed confidence.

Still, by extending the emergency order of protection to only the largest and most powerful banks, the SEC is left in an awkward position.

Chairman Cox has hinted several times that the SEC may propose new rules very soon to extend protections against naked short-selling to all companies. This move cannot happen soon enough. Small ''Main Street'' companies have complained for years to the SEC that they too are often the victims of naked short-trading aimed at driving their share prices down.

In the current market environment, the failure of many small companies on America's Main Streets can just as easily threaten the U.S. economy as the fall of one or two large companies on Wall Street.

It is widely agreed that legal short-trading provides liquidity and price discovery to the market. The debate lies in how Regulation SHO, the three-year old set of rules regulating the shares of companies whose stock already have high levels of settlement failures, should work.

Legal short-trading will not be and should not be abolished. Public companies simply want a version of Regulation SHO that works. In the fast electronic environment, traders argue that they cannot pre-borrow shares in advance of unpredictable short trades for hedging.

After intense lobbying, the SEC granted an exception to the emergency rule and exempted registered exchange market makers from pre-borrowing shares.

Presumably, the SEC still favors eliminating a large and abused exception from the current Regulation SHO for option market makers. The regulation, as written, is unenforceable and requires a degree of mind reading to determine whether traders are shorting with intent to manipulate share prices.

Hundreds of public companies are on exchanges' so-called threshold lists for months at a time, indicating that a significant percent of shares from short trades have failed to be delivered, also known as FTDs. This situation creates ''phantom shares'' that leverage the downward pressure on share price.

As proposed, the SEC's new emergency order contains the two necessary elements for fixing Regulation SHO and eliminating naked shorting and settlement failures once and for all.

The first fix addresses the pre-borrowing of shares before shorting; the second, the need for ''hard'' delivery of shares traded short within the three-day settlement period. Both are essential to eliminating FTDs. Enforcement will be straight-forward. Either the shares are borrowed and delivered or there is a violation.

[Howardhaftel]

I like bashers....if you cook them right

[Ex Blockman]

Unfortunately, not the part where we quarantine the bashers.

[Howardhaftel]

So Cal? I thought that slipped into the ocean in the last earth quake!

[Ex Blockman]

Happy Birthday from So Cal!

[goforthebet]

tex
I saw that on the sheff board. sheff put them an end. His post was great and clear..

thanks for the wishes tex...

how many posts you have left to post on the B-board.. seems they are trying to bring the price down with taking from us the posibility to post there... lol

[amrca]

Happy B'day!

[Max Power]

happy birthday bet


everything everybody says is from their own perspective, especially dealing with stocks. including me.
Like Junior Mining? Go Here: http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/board.aspx?board_id=12963

[Max Power]

some of the 'crew' is working overtime over on sheff's board, they followed sterling over there to harass him over there

[amrca]

yup ...she has .. but i love to squash flies and report them to the FBI

[fourkids_9pets]

absolutely ..

that is why the *simpletons*
that can *envision* the concept
of paid promoters .. but not
the opposite .. littering stk
msg blogs .. <like here .. g>
i find so disingenuous or just
downright stupid .. take your
pick ..

which is why i fight the crap
with verifiable dd .. that
includes names. no.s .. content
and of course the real kicker
getting the individual's permission
before i post that verifiable dd

knowing full well that many of these
folks will be *targeted* ..

totally disgusting .. what gives ..

---
4kids
all jmo

[jraska]

fly is good at sending threating PM and then blocks you from responding, lol..................

[jraska]

This game would be like a piece of cake if I could sell shares in any stock but never had to produce the shares.

Would life not be nice if you could do that.

Yep, sell shares you do not own, then when they are due have a buddy sell shares to you that they do not own then when your buddy's shares are due you sell them back....

Just run a vicious circle - kinda like - they are there - no over there - no I gotem back - oops sent them to curly - nope he sent to moe - remember he sent to larry - nope not me anymore sent them to some where and on and on and on.....

The worst is each transaction is usually at a lower price................Hang em I say.............

I really wonder how them big leaque brokerage houses give out such huge bonuses at the end of the year................

cover up quieting money I say.......................

why would anyone pay folks to bash a stock and rumor is payem bonuses if that stock price drops ......................

Hey all those folks think life is easy and they own the world, they can print money anytime they want.........

About time, just hope the sec follows through, man I can just image the threats that have been going around in them tall towers the last couple weeks.....................

I can not imagine playing this pinky game on a level playing field, sure just may make life a little easier on me......

I just hope they finally do make it a level playing field....

[ThePennyGuru]

Here is a nice video- On NSS
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=652216599&play=1

[amrca]

fly is ascared sxxtless ... last week she panicked when a poster said that IHUB can turn user info/IP addresses to the FBI .. that said it all

[thegoodlifeGeo]

Is this not why they invented Fly Swatters???? lol...

Cheers,
ThegoodlifeGeo

[fourkids_9pets]

that person is joking right

it's why verifiable dd with
names .. no.s .. email addresses
and permission to post the content
of either the conversation .. or
the email .. should be asked ..

i have posted many times in the
18 months i've been an ihub member
just that kind of info .. so that
others could not only verify themselves
they also have the info first hand ..

in almost every circumstance where i've
posted my DD .. it's been to refute
the relentless and repetitive falsehoods
that are posted .. imo to distort info and
create fud .. the pros do it *seamlessly*

i call it generating noise ..

folks need to understand just what this all
about .. money and lots of it ... nss
and ftd .. and the destruction of small start ups
based on the unmitigated greed of certain *groups*

---
bloomberg video .. worthy of a re-check ..

http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?clipSRC=mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vIrfhgQPAJ1s.asf

---
4kids
all jmo



10/5/07 -- there are no coincidences here ...
oh and like many other longs .. not selling at this level --

[goforthebet]

amrca

you were 1 second more quick than I . I wanted to post the same thing here now.

isn't that funny......

they are making themselves rediculous.. they don't need anybody else

[amrca]

posted by OIL
Hey Flies....didnt you post this to ADMIN? Why do you feel you do not have to provide PROOF yet you ask for PROOF?



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Posted by: flyonawall Date: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:40:59 AM
In reply to: None Post # of 114770

Since when does one have to supply PROOF of DD they posted? I thought this was not required?

[goforthebet]

thanks Jeff

that special wish for the long life I receipt especially from YOU with a warm feeling and extra thanks. I know how important that is... thanks a lot and cheers

[goforthebet]

Hey goodlife

I just came home.

spent most of my birthday off the computer - but he has me back now... thank you very much for your wishes my friend and I wish in the name of all that our investments will increase in the folling 12 months that we can bath in campagner...

a great weekend to all

Neri

[fourkids_9pets]

well penny

that is the first *glimmer*
of hope .. i have re: cox
and the sec ... let's see
if it comes to pass ..

but won't it get very
interesting .. very quickly
if it does happen

will be passing it on to
the longs i interact with
re: effc and aerp .. on
another venue

----
4kids
all jmo

[jraska]

Goforthebet, your birthday! I hope you have a wonderful birthday today and many many more!!!!

[jraska]

WOW! some of them old dead stocks in my accounts - just maybe gold!!!

[fourkids_9pets]

post from another board ..

one can only hope .. it's true
sick of the bs that is allowed
on *both sides*

--
4kids
all jmo

---

I heard a rumor that to curb scam operators, the SEC, FINRA and NASD may be moving toward 'mandatory third party verification' of all materials released by small companies. Even Transfer Agents would no longer be allowed to give out info directly to investors. The plan is designed to 'override' the misinformation flow currently distributed on MB's by NSS and pump and dump crews...possibly using existing MB's as the distribution vehicle for the verified info...sort of like a 'super IBOX' that has nothing but verified info in it. The idea is to curb scams up front and stop MB's, NSSellers and MMs from benefiting from the false drama created on the boards.

I hope these rumors are true! I would certainly be willing to pay an additional monthly fee to be able to go to one source for trustworthy and up-to-date DD.

[thegoodlifeGeo]

Hi Go,
Die allerbesten Geburtstagswünsche send ich dir,
sie kommen vom Herzen, sie kommen von mir.
All the best birthday wishes I send to thee
They come from the heart, they come from me.

Cheers and have a Great BirthDay!!!!!
ThegoodlifeGeo

[ThePennyGuru]

This is unbelievable- Electronic trading on the OTCBB and pinks- Hedge funds go down, No Naked shorting ever-They must buy back every Naked short sale ever.

[ThePennyGuru]

Cox's Plans Pt. 2


Any customers who end up with a deficit balance in their account as a result of these transactions will have their accounts closed and appropriate action will be taken to recover those losses beyond the capital in their account.

Should a company no longer be in existence then those fails will result in a special task force designed to reverse all transactions involving a fail that occurred from the introduction of SHO until the company's exit from the market. All monies involved in the failed transaction will be pooled and disgorged from the parties account that initiated the fail. A list of all shareholders that held that particular equity from the introduction of SHO until its exit from the market will be compiled. All monies will then be divided among the shareholders of record and returned to them by equity.

A separate task force will be implemented to calculate all fails "ex-clearing" of the DTCC. An intercontinental coalition will be formed to force the buy in under the same regulations for all foreign entities. They will then be extradited to the United States for prosecution.

To protect the privacy and practices of current trading strategies, a new regulation (Regulation FTD) will be mandated to provide a daily list indicating all open fails on every security where one exists in the marketplace. The total of fails shall be updated daily on each security. No equity or derivative shall allow any borrow from any entity until all current and past fails are eradicated.

It is expected the SEC, ICC, and DOJ will employ 5200 employees for a period of 48 months to complete the process with the option to extend for up to 12 months. The cost of such a program is expected to be $1.5 billion and shall be born by the entire program on a "per fail" charge basis to the offenders involved. At the conclusion of this program, the DTCC and NSCC will become a branch of the government and fall under the auspices of the DOJ.

Th Securities Act of 2008 will be set into effect and will include but not limited to:

No further naked shorting of any kind will be considered legal or acceptable by any measure or entity. Details of the only acceptable measure to initiate an open short position will be released at a later time.

Regulation FTD to list all past net fails and current fails on a share basis.

Full hedge fund disclosure of all positions held and timely reports filed with the SEC.

The immediate initiation of full electronic trading across all exchanges and trading vehicles. No algorithmic programs will be accepted or allowed.

Regulation NMS will be rescinded indefinitely immediately preceding this order.


http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Business_%26_Finance/Investments/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_O/threadview?bn=24012&tid=158793&mid=158793

[ThePennyGuru]

SEC Preliminary Guidelines of Naked Short and Fail-To-Deliver Reform(condensed highlights in rough draft form)

DTCC & NSCC Federal order to open their books via DOJ, ICC, and SEC

To protect the privacy and practices of current trading strategies, a new regulation (Regulation FTD) will be mandated to provide a daily list indicating all open fails on every security where one exists in the marketplace. The total of fails shall be updated daily on each security. No equity or derivative shall allow any borrow from any entity until all current and past fails are eradicated.

Immediate buy in on all current and existing fails out side of 13 days. Current fails have up to the mandated 13 days per Regulation SHO to "buy-in" and be covered.

Going back to introduction of SHO, any fails never bought in and covered will be "busted" and accounts disgorged with fines. Current fails listed on the Regulation SHO list outside of 13 days will be bought back in at market effective immediately.

All fails since the introduction of Regulation SHO will be reposited to every broker-dealer, market maker, hedge fund, and individual account as a short sale by cusip replication on a journal basis for the extent of time they were in fail status. No actual trade will occur. The fail will remain in the account affected for the entire time the position was in fail status. The position must be covered in such time or shall be "bought in" by the SEC and DOJ. Example: If the fail occurred exactly 3 years ago, it will remain in the client account for three years.

No additional short position shall be allowed on any particular security or derivative in which a journal entry exists or a current fail is open until that position is either bought in by the party involved or by the deadline of the fail period noted.

Any party affected with a particular fail can and may buy in to cover the open ledger entry fail at any time before the end of the period of original fail.

When fails are recovered on the open market, subsequent journal entries will be made affecting every equity or derivative to retire those securities from circulation and return those companies affected back to their exact oustanding and authorized shares.

By way of example, if the market maker SBSH or NITE or UBSS has net fails of 1.2 trillion shares over the past 3 years since the introduction of SHO, then those parties that traded those shares in net fail status shall have 1.2 trillion shares placed back in their account net short. They may not execute a short on that particular security at any time until the exisiting fail is covered by an order to buy on the open market. Each market maker will take the proper measures necessary to clear the fails recorded and report the transactions accordingly to their corresponding broker dealers. In finality, each broker dealer has 24 hours to accurately report the journal entries and "buy to covers" to their associated client accounts. No individual client may affect the buy-in on their own. The transaction must come at the broker-dealer level as prescribed by the commission.

http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_O/threadview?m=tm&bn=24012&tid=158792&mid=158792&tof=18&rt=2&frt=2&off=1

[thegoodlifeGeo]

No, just keep going until you get your official "5 posts/day" notification... lol...

Cheers All,
ThegoodlifeGeo
a.k.a. "George"

[jraska]

check this thread out...............

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/replies.aspx?msg=31135529

Didn't know that could happen, I better slow down.........

[KNIGHT]

Have a good week-end all!

[jraska]

Thing is, just so hard headed - can not even see the light!

Thought bugs were attracted to light, something must be a bit foggy up top to block such a bright light..................

[amrca]

like a stock is down 100% math ..

[thegoodlifeGeo]

So I guess I am only doing this half-right at the moment... I am all red this week...

Cheers,
ThegoodlifeGeo

[goforthebet]

I even would tend to say I prefere mosquitos, they suck only one time

[Howardhaftel]

Are you suppose to make money too? Wow! Thats news to me!

[Dobie Lama]

This board is still up. And its Friday. Hope people made some money this week.

Others are doing goat math and can't be bothered focusing on the main purpose of these boards, to exchange info and make money!

Woof

[Howardhaftel]

This is a test message

[Howardhaftel]

You don't want to see the Malti-poo. Its certain death

[Dobie Lama]

I loves dem goats, Howard.

I just ate two of dem for breakfast.

Woof

PS. Show us the malti-poo dog.

[Max Power]

look at flyonthewall, the math genius breaking it down over on the b board. LMAO

[Howardhaftel]

Looks like they have manufactured more bashers. the hedge fund payroll is going up

[Dobie Lama]

Sell some of your Goat stock to flyondapoop and buy one!

[Howardhaftel]

I don't have a camera. My kids took it away 30 years ago when I kept cutting off peoples heads

[Dobie Lama]

I will invest in a company that makes organic dog food, so that when said dog poops, it poops organically!

Where's the pic of the malti-poo Howard?