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me too, on both stocks
I would love to have those numbers.
would like to know the real short posi on the b-stock and on SRSR too
Surprise- A pr on EXPH announced the stock has been shorted 44 million shares since May. I hope FFGO kills some hedgefunds.
this one
is still no deleted
but I guess it will soon
this Xilo guy questioning the honor of JQM..... lol, what a joke
Posted by: goforthebet Date: Monday, July 28, 2008 4:49:54 PM
In reply to: texas ripper who wrote msg# 16212 Post # of 16220
I apreciate the honor of Mr. Quincey Moaning
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=29621316
that is almost incredible
07/28/2008 04:53:19 PM on the b-board
in fox tv talking about wind enery right now
was removed as:
Off-Topic Reviewed By Admin
why is my post about wind-energy on the bldv board deleted as OFF TOPIC?
that would be the same if they deleted posts on Sarissa board talking about niobium off topic..
block
sorry to hear that
i'm so fed up on so many levels
i just wish folks would wake up
to what is going on ..
this issue should enrage .. everyone
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4kids
all jmo
Good Morning Fourkids,
I wished our Senators in California were interested. All they are interested in is keeping San Francisco and LA sanctuary cities so the illegals can continue to break the law, and on a few cases murder a few people as they enjoy their protected stays. Disgusting what is going on in all aspects of our country, not just NSS>
good morning all
funny, really...
green week to all of you
excellent point ..
i agree with blockman
as well -- it's the education
and doing something about it
back in feb .. on aerp
when i first became *aware*
of the total bs and manipulation
i not only contacted .. the sec
<frequently> i also sent on my
concerns to the two utah senators
<aero is hq'd in utah>
it's really out of control imo
but at least a segment of retail
seems to be coming awake
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4kids
all jmo
I would venture to say that if this article would be posted on most Ihub boards, it would be deleted on a high percentage of those boards. This is the main reason that those "crews" and orchestrated attacks appear so often. The continued education of retail investors is important, but what is more important is the everyone continues the campaign of writing to their representatives and those representative, such as Senator Bennett of Utah, who have taken an interest in stopping the abuses of NSS and their henchmen.
I have forwarded many, many articles to those representatives in the hopes that they will eventually do something to halt these criminals and their fraudulent practices. Most investors will not take the time because they say they don't have the time. But they sure seem to take the time to post a Weeeee or To The Moon, or even tell everyone that the MM's are crooks. If you have time for that, you should have time to do what I suggest.
4kids- They say all the time there is no NSS on Pink/OTCBB- My question is why is there Reg/Sho if FTD's don't exist.
and to think *some* continue to insist
there is no mm manipulation working
hand in glove .. with other *efforts*
yeah .. riiiiiiight .. lol
simpletons ..
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There’s a form of the securities fraud known as naked short selling that is becoming very popular and lucrative to the market makers that practice it. It is known as “Cellar boxing” and it has to do with the fact that the NASD and the SEC had to arbitrarily set a minimum level at which a stock can trade. This level was set at $.0001 or one-one hundredth of a penny. This level is appropriately referred to as “the cellar”. This $.0001 level can be used as a "backstop" for all kinds of market maker and naked short selling manipulations.
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it's just so much easier to use mass generalizations
like all pinks stink ..
unreal ..
btw .. thanks for the article ..
this is where i do find value
just wish it was more wide spread ..
imo all of this info benefits .. investors
and traders ..
it's all about the education of retail
but then that could be the reason ..
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4kids
all jmo
nonexistent shares through Canadian co-conspiring broker/dealers and their associates
Interesting read on "Cellar Boxing." Not suggesting this is directly connected to MNTY
Interesting read from another board this AM
Naked Short Selling Explained for the IBOX
Wonder if management have read the book on "Cellar Boxing"?
“CELLAR BOXING”
There’s a form of the securities fraud known as naked short selling that is becoming very popular and lucrative to the market makers that practice it. It is known as “Cellar boxing” and it has to do with the fact that the NASD and the SEC had to arbitrarily set a minimum level at which a stock can trade. This level was set at $.0001 or one-one hundredth of a penny. This level is appropriately referred to as “the cellar”. This $.0001 level can be used as a "backstop" for all kinds of market maker and naked short selling manipulations.
“Cellar boxing” has been one of the security frauds du jour since 1999 when the market went to a “decimalization” basis. In the pre-decimalization days the minimum market spread for most stocks was set at 1/8th of a dollar and the market makers were guaranteed a healthy “spread”. Since decimalization came into effect, those one-eighth of a dollar spreads now are often only a penny as you can see in Microsoft’s quote throughout the day. Where did the unscrupulous MMs go to make up for all of this lost income? They headed "south" to the OTCBB and Pink Sheets where the protective effects from naked short selling like Rule 10-a, and NASD Rules 3350, 3360, and 3370 are nonexistent.
The unique aspect of needing an arbitrary “cellar” level is that the lowest possible incremental gain above this cellar level represents a 100% spread available to MMs making a market in these securities. When compared to the typical spread in Microsoft of perhaps four-tenths of 1%, this is pretty tempting territory. In fact, when the market is no bid to $.0001 offer there is theoretically an infinite spread.
In order to participate in “cellar boxing”, the MMs first need to pummel the price per share down to these levels. The lower they can force the share price, the larger are the percentage spreads to feed off of. This is easily done via garden variety naked short selling. In fact if the MM is large enough and has enough visibility of buy and sell orders as well as order flow, he can simultaneously be acting as the conduit for the sale of nonexistent shares through Canadian co-conspiring broker/dealers and their associates with his right hand at the same time that his left hand is naked short selling into every buy order that appears through its own proprietary accounts. The key here is to be a dominant enough of a MM to have visibility of these buy orders. This is referred to as "broker/dealer internalization" or naked short selling via "desking" which refers to the market makers trading desk. While the right hand is busy flooding the victim company's market with "counterfeit" shares that can be sold at any instant in time the left hand is nullifying any upward pressure in share price by neutralizing the demand for the securities. The net effect becomes no demonstrable demand for shares and a huge oversupply of shares which induces a downward spiral in share price.
In fact, until the "beefed up" version of Rule 3370 (Affirmative determination in writing of "borrowability" by settlement date) becomes effective, U.S. MMs have been "legally" processing naked short sale orders out of Canada and other offshore locations even though they and the clearing firms involved knew by history that these shares were in no way going to be delivered. The question that then begs to be asked is how "the system" can allow these obviously bogus sell orders to clear and settle. To find the answer to this one need look no further than to Addendum "C" to the Rules and Regulations of the NSCC subdivision of the DTCC. This gaping loophole allows the DTCC, which is basically the 11,000 b/ds and banks that we refer to as "Wall Street”, to borrow shares from those investors naive enough to hold these shares in "street name" at their brokerage firm. This amounts to about 95% of us. Theoretically, this “borrow” was designed to allow trades to clear and settle that involved LEGITIMATE 1 OR 2 DAY delays in delivery. This "borrow" is done unbeknownst to the investor that purchased the shares in question and amounts to probably the largest "conflict of interest" known to mankind. The question becomes would these investors knowingly loan, without compensation, their shares to those whose intent is to bankrupt their investment if they knew that the loan process was the key mechanism needed for the naked short sellers to effect their goal? Another question that arises is should the investor's b/d who just earned a commission and therefore owes its client a fiduciary duty of care, be acting as the intermediary in this loan process keeping in mind that this b/d is being paid the cash value of the shares being loaned as a means of collateralizing the loan, all unbeknownst to his client the purchaser.
An interesting phenomenon occurs at these "cellar" levels. Since NASD Rule 3370 allows MMs to legally naked short sell into markets characterized by a plethora of buy orders at a time when few sell orders are in existence, a MM can theoretically "legally" sit at the $.0001 level and sell nonexistent shares all day long because at no bid and $.0001 ask there is obviously a huge disparity between buy orders and sell orders. What tends to happen is that every time the share price tries to get off of the cellar floor and onto the first step of the stairway at $.0001 there is somebody there to step on the hands of the victim corporation's market.
Once a given micro cap corporation is “boxed in the cellar” it doesn’t have a whole lot of options to climb its way out of the cellar. One obvious option would be for it to reverse split its way out of the cellar but history has shown that these are counter-productive as the market capitalization typically gets hammered and the post split share price level starts heading back to its original pre-split level.
Another option would be to organize a sustained buying effort and muscle your way out of the cellar but typically there will, as if by magic, be a naked short sell order there to meet each and every buy order. Sometimes the shareholder base can muster up enough buying pressure to put the market at $.0001 bid and $.0002 offer for a limited amount of time. Later the market makers will typically pound the $.0001 bids with a blitzkrieg of selling to wipe out all of the bids and the market goes back to no bid and $.0001 offer. When the weak-kneed shareholders see this a few times they usually make up their mind to sell their shares the next time that a $.0001 bid appears and to get the heck out of Dodge. This phenomenon is referred to as “shaking the tree” for weak-kneed investors and it is very effective.
At times the market will go to $.0001 bid and $.0003 offer. This sets up a juicy 200% spread for the MMs and tends to dissuade any buyers from reaching up to the "lofty" level of $.0003. If a $.0002 bid should appear from a MM not "playing ball" with the unscrupulous MMs, it will be hit so quickly that Level 2 will never reveal the existence of the bid. The $.0001 bid at $.0003 offer market sets up a "stalemate" wherein market makers can leisurely enjoy the huge spreads while the victim company slowly dilutes itself to death by paying the monthly bills with "real" shares sold at incredibly low levels. Since all of these development-stage corporations have to pay their monthly bills, time becomes on the side of the naked short sellers.
At times it almost seems that the unscrupulous market makers are not actively trying to kill the victim corporation but instead want to milk the situation for as long of a period of time as possible and let the corporation die a slow death by dilution. The reality is that it is extremely easy to strip away 99% of a victim company’s share price or market cap and to keep the victim corporation “boxed“ in the cellar, but it really is difficult to kill a corporation especially after management and the shareholder base have figured out the game that is being played at their expense.
As the weeks and months go by the market makers make a fortune with these huge percentage spreads but the net aggregate naked short positions become astronomical from all of this activity. This leads to some apprehension amongst the co-conspiring MMs. The predicament they find themselves in is that they can’t even stop naked short selling into every buy order that appears because if they do the share price will gap and this will put tremendous pressures on net capital reserves for the MMs and margin maintenance requirements for the co-conspiring hedge funds and others operating out of the more than 13,000 naked short selling margin accounts set up in Canada. And of course covering the naked short position is out of the question since they can’t even stop the day-to-day naked short selling in the first place and you can't be covering at the same time you continue to naked short sell.
What typically happens in these situations is that the victim company has to massively dilute its share structure from the constant paying of the monthly burn rate with money received from the selling of “real” shares at artificially low levels. Then the goal of the naked short sellers is to point out to the investors, usually via paid “Internet bashers”, that with the, let’s say, 50 billion shares currently issued and outstanding, that this lousy company is not worth the $5 million market cap it is trading at, especially if it is just a shell company whose primary business plan was wiped out by the naked short sellers’ tortuous interference earlier on.
The truth of the matter is that the single biggest asset of these victim companies often becomes the astronomically large aggregate naked short position that has accumulated throughout the initial “bear raid” and also during the “cellar boxing” phase. The goal of the victim company now becomes to avoid the 3 main goals of the naked short sellers, namely: bankruptcy, a reverse split, or the forced signing of a death spiral convertible debenture out of desperation. As long as the victim company can continue to pay the monthly burn rate, then the game plan becomes to make some of the strategic moves that hundreds of victim companies have been forced into doing which includes name changes, CUSIP # changes, cancel/reissue procedures, dividend distributions, amending of by-laws and Articles of Corporation, etc. Nevada domiciled companies usually cancel all of their shares in the system, both real and fake, and force shareholders and their b/ds to PROVE the ownership of the old “real” shares before they get a new “real” share. Many also file their civil suits at this time also. This indirect forcing of hundreds of U.S. micro cap corporations to go through all of these extraneous hoops and hurdles as a means to survive, whether it be due to regulatory apathy or lack of resources, is probably one of the biggest black eyes the U.S. financial systems have ever sustained. In a perfect world it would be the regulators that periodically audit the “C” and “D” sub-accounts at the DTCC, the proprietary accounts of the MMs, clearing firms, and Canadian b/ds, and force the buy-in of counterfeit shares, many of which are hiding behind altered CUSIP #s, that are detected above the Rule 11830 guidelines for allowable “failed deliveries” of one half of 1% of the shares issued. U.S. micro cap corporations should not have to periodically “purge” their share structure of counterfeit electronic book entries but if the regulators will not do it then management has a fiduciary duty to do it.
A lot of management teams become overwhelmed with grief and guilt in regards to the huge increase in the number of shares issued and outstanding that have accumulated during their “watch”. The truth however is that as long as management made the proper corporate governance moves throughout this ordeal then a huge number of resultant shares issued and outstanding is unavoidable and often indicative of an astronomically high naked short position and is nothing to be ashamed of. These massive naked short positions need to be looked upon as huge assets that need to be developed. Hopefully the regulators will come to grips with the reality of naked short selling and tactics like "Cellar boxing" and quickly address this fraud that has decimated thousands of U.S. micro cap corporations and the tens of millions of U.S. investors therein."
that was the one
I didn't copy quick enough.....
thanks for posting and with mentioning the b-name
see you all tomorrow
good night
SEC's Assault on Illegal Short Selling Intensifies
Wall Street Readies
For Longer Limits;
Are Curbs Working?
By JENNY STRASBURG, KARA SCANNELL and RANDALL SMITH
July 28, 2008
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121720268943988515.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
Wall Street executives expect the Securities and Exchange Commission to extend the temporary limits it has placed on short-selling and expand them to cover additional stocks beyond the 19 financial companies it targeted two weeks ago.
The limits are set to expire Tuesday, and executives, lobbyists and hedge-fund representatives of the Managed Funds Association, the biggest hedge-fund industry group, have been talking throughout the weekend, trying to come up with possible approaches to asking the SEC to reconsider expanding the rules, according to people familiar with the talks.
A call with regulators on Friday gave the funds group "a fair degree of certainty" that the SEC intends to seek an extension of the emergency period, these people said. Regulators said an extension could be for as short as 60 days and could involve insurance, housing-industry and a broader range of financial stocks, according to these people. SEC Chairman Christopher Cox indicated last week the rules might be extended to all stocks.
In a short sale, a trader sells borrowed stock in a bet the price will decline and the stock can be profitably repurchased at a lower price. The new rules require specific arrangements to borrow shares in short sales rather than the existing rules, which allow a looser assurance the shares can be located.
The rules appear to have had their intended effect of halting the slide in shares of financial companies such as Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. Combined with falling oil prices and encouraging earnings reports from some banks, shares in some of these names have doubled.
Some hedge-fund officials until Friday said privately they considered an extension of the short-selling curbs unlikely. However, calls with regulators on Friday afternoon left a different impression, giving the matter added urgency going into the weekend, they added.
By 11:59 p.m. EDT Tuesday, the SEC will need to decide whether to extend its emergency order or let it expire. The SEC said it could extend the order for 30 days. But the law allowing the order limits such action to 10 business days.
It's not clear the SEC commissioners will agree that an extension is warranted. Paul Atkins, a Republican commissioner, has asked the agency's economists to determine whether the order had an effect on the targeted stocks, a person familiar with the matter says. If it hasn't, Mr. Atkins might argue against an extension, this person said.
Two groups of investors appear to be most vulnerable to an extension and broadening of the rules, smaller firms where the added costs and capital requirements would be onerous and fast-trading funds that use computer programs to make thousands of trades a day.
So far, major Wall Street firms have been complying with the order manually, making phone calls to line up so-called pre-borrow arrangements for the 19 stocks. Expanding the rule to all stocks "would require an extensive delay" so the process could be automated, one brokerage executive said.
Executives at the big Wall Street firms that handle trading for hedge funds and others have also been involved in discussions about how to adapt their computer systems to handle the rules.
The expansion could require increased capital to finance the borrowed shares during the three days before trades settle, as well as make short selling more cumbersome and labor-intensive. It is expected that the industry will push back forcefully on any attempt to expand rules.
The SEC is also working to make short-selling rules permanent. The SEC staff is expected to narrow down the options and recommend them to the four SEC commissioners, which could happen as soon as Monday. The rules wouldn't be finalized until later this year.
Write to Randall Smith at randall.smith@wsj.com
some other reads no longer available, some items omitted:
Post Date: 7/27/2008 4:11:44 PM posted by jraska in reply to a deleted post by OLDSCHOOL110
Board: Blue ____ _____ Inc. Reason: Off-Topic
Nice find oldschool110, seems extremely relevent to the DD on B---, which is facing a host of negativity.
When folks want to do full DD on B---, a good place to start would be the IBOX for the B--- forum. I advise to add to your own DD and verify for yourself by emailing and calling the contacts referred to in the IBOX articles and posts, most have the verification opportunity posted with the link.
Now I have found it to be helpfull to expand my own DD on Blue ---- ---- posters also. If you would like to increase your DD also, this is a good place to start:
http://www.freedomfunds.net/employ.html
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High hourly rates for top performers, plus bonuses for exceeding quotas (# of posts, # of replies, % drops in target stock)
IMO, the above will help explain to the real DD seekers what motivates some on stock boards.
JUST THOUGHT THIS MAY HELP SOME IN A WELL ROUNDED FULLY DD SEARCH ON THE REAL OPPORTUNITIES OF B---
*************(now tell me this is a post to be deleted - admin - 100% on topic for a full rounded DD on Blue -------- ---------)******************
Thanks alot oldschool110, your post did ring a big bell for me.................
yes blockman,
I saw that from air new zealand 2-3 weeks back and put a link too on the b-board, but even that was deleted from the admins..
great news and more to come
btw. I have to laugh too
forgot that pasrt it was actually really drafty
You could catch a sidedraft working so hard this weekend...
Sorry Blockman, I noticed that one too.
"Opportunities are best viewed with the piercing eyes of a tiger"
You didn't get hit by a side draft while you were doing all that, did you? It's pretty windy out there, but I think it's all hot air!
Act in Spite of Fear and Uncertainty
Blockman
This is what I did this weekend
1. Squashed a fly
2. Got my dog fixed
3. Sunk a boat
did all the above earnestly while I was whistling in draft ....
"Elshorto, Elidioto... is in Eltroubolooooo (Adam Sandler from SNL)
Just saw this on our local news. Remember the algae, muffler exhaust, biodiesel, ethanol "expert" (LOL, I have to laugh when I say that) mentioning that jatropha can't be grown anywhere but in the tropics? Wrong again, just as with all of his other "DD". I think we'll do just fine.
http://www.knbc.com/newslinks/16963635/detail.html
hi tashiboy
interesting your article
you know, as more posts are beeing deleted as more confident I am
There is an old saying that goes like that ... "Divide and Conquer" ... it ain't going to happen..
Hello good folks, nice to be here...
It's the usual case of the disappearing posts at Company B.
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Here's an article on Kase Lukman Lawal from Ebony in January, 2006. He's the Houston based oil and oil services billionaire. There's also a financing aspect to his story when he bought Unity National Bank in Houston,TX in order to promote growth in the African American community.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1077/is_3_61/ai_n15975989
interesting read .. pretty much what i've
been saying here on ihub for the past 18 months ..
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The New IPO Market: Reverse Shell Mergers
By Ralph Amato
E-Commerce Times
02/15/08 5:00 AM PT
In years past, reverse mergers were associated with penny stock scams which were subject to manipulation by promoters. However, after several rounds of SEC rule changes and the collapse of the IPO markets in late 2000, OTCBB Shells emerged in 2003 as the de facto IPO marketplace for emerging growth companies.
The average size raised for an IPO (initial public offering) in 2007 was US$229 million, according to IPO Home. That translates into a market cap valuation averaging over $1 billion for companies that are going public.
The marketplace for IPOs has changed dramatically since 2000, when the Internet IPO frenzy imploded. Since that time, small boutique underwriters have virtually disappeared and the surviving larger firms such as UBS, Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan are underwriting much larger deals. Most of those deals are now based upon companies that can exhibit strong financial fundamentals inclusive of a proven track record and a history of earnings.
This leaves a huge gap in the marketplace for emerging growth companies that have a need to go public but do not possess billion-dollar valuations. So what are the alternatives for companies who wish to go public to expand their business and gain access to the capital markets? The answer may be to seek a reverse merger into an Over the Counter Bulletin Board (OTCBB) Shell.
For Emerging Growth Firms
In its simplest form, a reverse merger refers to the process whereby a private company merges into and with an existing public company to establish itself as a public company. Typically, the public company with which the private company merges has a shareholder base and some assets but is no longer a functioning business; hence, it is often called a "public shell."
In years past, reverse mergers were associated with penny stock scams which were subject to manipulation by promoters. However, after several rounds of SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) rule changes and the collapse of the IPO markets in late 2000, OTCBB Shells emerged in 2003 as the de facto IPO marketplace for emerging growth companies.
Today, companies that reverse into an OTCBB Shell must adhere to the same stringent rules and regulations as set forth for companies who are listed on NASDAQ (National Association of Securities Dealers Automated Quotations), AMEX (American Stock Exchange) or the NYSE (New York Stock Exchange). The basic difference is that the emerging growth companies that trade on the OTCBB do not yet meet all of the listing requirements set forth by the stock exchanges: namely, the combination of earnings, assets, net worth, number of shareholders and minimum trading price for shares.
Public Image
The image of reverse mergers as a legitimate vehicle to go public has improved measurably in the recent years. The SEC no longer views reverse mergers as its redheaded stepchild. There are several key reasons for this assessment:
* Stringent new rules introduced by the SEC over the last five years;
* SEC rule revisions passed in 2007 to assist small companies in raising capital;
* Through its recent actions and commentary, the SEC now recognizes reverse mergers as a legitimate way for small companies to go public;
* There are now more reverse mergers performed per year than there are IPOs;
* Barrier of entry. The cost of an OTCBB Shell attracts companies that have revenues and earnings or substantial financial backers; and
* Equity investments via PIPEs (private investments in public entities) will increase with the introduction of the reduced six month hold period on 144 stocks.
Advantages of a Reverse Merger
There are several advantages of the reverse merger for emerging growth companies. However there are three critical areas of importance:
1. Cost. Reverse mergers usually cost significantly less than an IPO. The total cost will be less than $1 million, inclusive of the cost of the shell, financial audits and attorney fees. However, there are alternatives that can reduce those fees substantially. If a company is generating revenues and profits and has an intriguing business model then it is possible to attract a shell owner who will take a combination of cash and equity or sometimes straight equity participation. This would substantially reduce the full cash outlay of approximately $600,000 to $900,000 to purchase the shell.
An IPO, on the other hand, is much more expensive, costing at least $2 million before factoring in investment banking fees, underwriting commissions and road shows to raise capital. With an IPO there is no guarantee at the end of the day you will go public. Your underwriter could back out of the deal for a variety of reasons: lack of interest, industry perception, market timing, etc. If your IPO is canceled, all of the money you have spent is literally down the drain.
2. Timeliness. If you are performing a reverse merger into a "shell company" you will need to have your audits finalized before you close on the shell. Why? Because the SEC mandates you have to file your 8K within four days from the date you file for the reverse merger. The entire process takes sixty to ninety days from the time you first file your 8K with the SEC. If time is of the essence and you need to get your deal to market sooner rather than later, then a reverse merger into an OTCBB shell is the best route to take. Because you are reversing into a company that is already public, you have eliminated the possibility that your company will not be publicly traded.
In contrast, a typical IPO takes nine months to a year to complete and, if problems occur, it can take several more months.
3. Market Conditions. Many times, management has a window of opportunity in which to take their company public. This could be the result of current market conditions or a perception that their company is in a hot, new multibillion-dollar industry. Whatever the reason, you know it is in your best interest and the company's to get public as soon as possible. The good news is that you can expedite the process of going public through a reverse merger much quicker than an IPO. Also, is once you have filed your 8K with the SEC you can then start the process of raising capital. Fund managers are more likely to invest in your company once they know they have the ability "cash out" through your public vehicle.
As the industry gains traction, you will start to see more and more companies using the reverse shell merger as their preferred choice for going public.
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4kids
all jmo
Hi amrca
you are totally right..
triplicate
"Elshorto, Elidioto... is in Eltroubolooooo (Adam Sandler from SNL)
duplicate
"Elshorto, Elidioto... is in Eltroubolooooo (Adam Sandler from SNL)
i wish i were such a scamm...lmao!
There more those guys post the FUD, the deeper the longs dig and find more to substantiate what we believe to be underway.
Man, our CEO sure gets around with some powerful individuals, doesn't he? What a scammer he is! lol
I can't wait for that day
Yes it is. Even the newest naysayer is beginning to scratch his head that maybe the CEO is being backed by someone. This might turn exciting very, very soon!
its a figment of your imagination ... JQM does not exist its all a scam run run ..... this guy is so in the public eye that as a certified scammer i wonder how no one turned him in ... GO DOGGONE........................lmao
"Elshorto, Elidioto... is in Eltroubolooooo (Adam Sandler from SNL)
Hi blockman,
a lot of great finds today for the b-board longs..
Looking very real imo
Page 6, clearly shows Mr. Moaning speaking of alternative energies. Hmmmmmm.
some other reads, which are not longer possible on the b-board
Posted by: Tashiboy
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:10:14 PM
In reply to: Salty Pepper who wrote msg# 16054
Post # of 16059
Thanks, I especially like what you and Stocksgonewild worked on this past week...
I took a look at AABE for sure...
I also found a spin off site of AABE:
http://www.blackenergy.com/amandla/
BTW, did you know that one of the Commissioners of the Houston Port Authority and Vice-Chairman of the Houston Airport Development System Corporation is Kase Lukman Lawal...
http://www.camacholdings.com/management/bios/kase.html
Now somebody tell me, JQM doesn't know this guy? haha
Posted by: jraska
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:20:44 PM
In reply to: Salty Pepper who wrote msg# 16054
Post # of 16059
Great post Salty Pepper, and if you read just a little further on page 6,
You will see the following:
AABE National Office Report - 1st Quarter 2008
DC Chapter
President Derek Dyson
and Houston Chapter member
John Q. Moaning, CEO of
Blue Diamond Ventures, offered
a very compelling session
on the entrepreneurial opportunities
in these new energy
technologies.
Seems our CEO is very well respected from some very elite folks around the country.
http://aabe.org/files/AABE%20ENERGY%20NEWS%202ND%20QTR%202008.pdf
I wish everybody a great sunday
I hope you enjoy reading this
my 2 posts which have been deleted after 30 seconds on the B-board and an answer to both :
Key Concepts for NAFF Members (A continuing education series…)
This week: Sharpe Vs Shortino Ratios
What is the best way to quantify an investment's risk? There is more than one answer to this question, and the Sharpe and Shortino Ratios reflect two distinct schools of thought.
One of the most commonly used measurements of risk is variance, the dispersion of an investment's returns from their mean. In the calculation of this value, no distinction is made between upside and downside deviation. For this reason, an investment with monthly returns of -5% and +5% will have the same variance as another investment that is flat one month and +10% the next.
The formula for the Sharpe Ratio is return minus the risk free rate divided by standard deviation. It is important to note that standard deviation is simply the square root of variance. In accordance with the description above, the Sharpe Ratio is therefore using a non directionally-biased measurement of volatility to adjust for risk. This concept has been criticized, as it may actually punish a fund for a month of exceptionally high performance. For many individuals, this type of deviation is not only acceptable, but also desirable. It is for this reason that the Shortino Ratio was developed.
Instead of using standard deviation in the denominator, the Shortino Ratio uses downside borrowless semi-variance. This is a means of cloaking the excess returns due to naked shorting of low-quality equities above a standardized rate. By utilizing this value, the Shortino Ratio is reducing the "perceived" return, reportable to clients and other parties with a perceived interest, such as regulators. It is a measurement of normalized upside return per unit of quasi-riskless downside investment.
Although there are arguments in favor of both ratios, the use of the Sharpe has been more mainstream. In some cases, this may reflect a certain comfort level associated with its use of standard deviation, which is a more traditional measurement of volatility. Funds that cite their Shortino Ratio have traditionally been those with the least tolerance for traditional trading strategies. In these cases, the Shortino may be presented as a compliment to an investment thesis that includes the above average returns that are the guaranteed consequence of so-called naked short selling.
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Posted by: alj14
Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:18:30 PM
In reply to: A deleted message Post # of 16059
You have come across some illuminating quotes there, GoForTheBet: how about "on a pay-as-you-go basis"?
Anthropologically, it's not only share volumes that deserve attention, but volumes of posts finding their way to single boards (as acknowledged by the rankings on the IHub home page).
I am keen to see how the SP performs tomorrow and, most of all, whether we will be seeing a PR hitting the wires some time this week.
One way or another, it looks as if we are due for an eventful week!
alj
that is a great calculation
Howard
and it is probably exactly what is going on... They are ttying hard to got our cheap shares - but they are not very lucky
Quincy Moaning is laughing his azz off at the bashers and its so simple to understand why.
OK the bashers are here for their $12 an hour and they really know whats going on.
Just take 10 hours of wages at $12/hr that comes to $120.
Take the $120 less commissions leaves you about $110 and buy that amount in the stock currently at about .008 that equals 13,750 shares.
In the next few days a PR will send this stock to between 50 to 80 cents a share making that 13,750 shares worth between $6,875 to $11,000.
What greater comfort to Quincy Moaning then to know the people that have been attacking his company lost thousands of dollars. Yes he is laughing his azz off at the morons.
post from BLDV
My friends, I would just share for a moment why I think that BLDV is a great investment. First, all of the PR’s has been followed thru until we hear otherwise. Second, The Country of Belize has has had meetings with Blue Diamond confirmed from multiple sources, Third, The relationship with The Goat farms and goat research group is clear through the mere fact that the facility is named after a director of BLDV (a conversation with the janitor does not change if it even happened), Fourth, A professor of Texas A&M has clearly said that they are set to work with and advise BLDV once they are ready, Fifth, this company does need a corner office overlooking the gulf or the river or whatever....why waste money - cash is king in particular for a company that IS NOT DIOLUTING. Sixth, this company has all the evidence that a group is attempting to manipulate the price and that group has used logos such as the coast guards and the FBI's...... So with all of this being said, This company has a lot going for including a poster on a VW forum independently saying that he works and does research for BLDV, There is no proof of dilution any idiot can just look at the volume ... want to see dilution there are plenty of companies doing it ... THIS ON IS NOT, A CEO who has not in any way mislead and is not dishonest with current and future investors -- does anyone see fluff PRs on a daily basis.
As for backing up my above statements, all one has to do is doing their own DD with an open mind. Yes Mr. Moaning will be answering a letter soon from the SEC - all indicators that it is pertaining to uplisting (thats purely my opinion). The company is not misleading or using PR’s to manipulate the price others ARE and that sadly is not a NO NO in today's world .. but i do know that the longs have communicated plenty of information to the SEC on the manipulation that they see. All one has to do is look at the charts history and the PPS its very simple. GLTYA, AIMNSHO AMRCA
Always Do your DD on the company and the poster(s)
:) :)
and don't forget the hairdresser!!!!!!
man
that is the almost unbelievable
"Here's shocking news: Hedge fund operators that do a lot of short-selling are complaining to the Securities and Exchange Commission that recently imposed restrictions are making it tough to do business."
o:
Hi roger
welcome to the board
Its like a small town soap opera. Its missing a fiddler and a jug of moon shine
I didn't watch that trash show
take a look at this if u have not already (it takes a while to load)
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=652216599&play=1
did u also ntice that at the beginning of Eddie's show he puts up a coast guatrd logo ... or was that something else
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