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I think blood dopers and the doctors who administer/support it should serve a prison sentence..imo, it's egregious arrogance of the highest level..there's something different morally{for me] about injecting clear colorless medicine like epo or growth hormone or pasting a testosterone patch on your skin..but to go thru all the channels that it takes to secure a blood transfusion, for what? to beat another healthy elite athlete? Nah, that's sick..imo!
I wholeheartedly agree..What to say..I'm struck by the 'haves and have-nots..'..Rasmussen is obviously a 'have-not friends' and 'have many enemies' ..Cadel didn't have enuff guys to tow him thru the mountains..Levi is the most rested guy in the peloton..maybe tomorrow he'll work for a livin'..
I can't sympathize with someone like Rasmussen that when essentially caught, continues to lie and whine..but I also can't feel good about someone whose tracks were cleaned for him, winning the Yellow Jersey..
That said, it's still a beautiful sport.. bon courage to those who are fighting to clean it up..
Congratulation to the winner
Congratulations to Cadel Evan, the legitimate winner of the TDF.
Cyclist vs dog:
Sebastien Hinault (FRA/Crédit Agricultural): Finally, Rasmussen outside, it are well what one wanted since the departure. It's a pity that that arrives in third week of race. I think that Evans would make a better winner of the Turn than Contador. Evans, one sees it suffering in mountain, one sees the grin. It is not the impression which one given Rasmussen and Contador.”
this is a google translation from http://lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070726_183111Dev.html
Thanks, I missed the beginning..hope springs eternal..who knows, maybe Phil and Paul cut a deal with him to be their surrogate..nothing would surprise me..
I heard that I made a transfusion with my father's blood," Vinokourov said. "That's absurd, I can tell you that with his blood, I would have tested positive for vodka."
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/showsports.aspx?id=SPOEN20070020220
Wow, missed it. Busy trying to buy calls on qqqq. Thought the open would be a conveniently engineered bounce off the Naz 50sma. Saw the bottom drop and chickened out. Should have stuck to my guns.
I still don't think this qualifies as breaking Omerata...Troutwig isn't a cyclist or even a cycling journalist! His opinion and voice acts for "the average non-cycling-American-viewers" He covers the little league world series for his day job. (having fun now)
I don't want to sound confrontational, but I think you have your head in the sand thinking that pro sport can be clean sport. (there are probably nicer ways to say that). Pro sport is nothing more than entertainment, just like wrestling. Some sports do a better job of managing the scandals. The UCI chose to go on a witch hunt. Even with BALCO, baseball and football fans still talk about the game. Futball fans still talk about the game too, despite there being 100+ unaccounted bags of blood in Dr Fuentes' evidence box.
Al Trautwig breaks the VS Omerta
WOW. The very beginning of the VS broadcast is worth catching -- assuming they re-air it this evening rather than censoring it.
Al Trautwig begins the broadcast with a major breaking of the Omerta. Says that likely every Tour winner since LeMond has doped, and that their support riders were doping too. And, perhaps even more importantly, says the media knew about it, and deliberately hid it with a "wink, wink, nod, nod". And says the reason they did is because "the money kept flowing". To cap it off, he suggested Contador's performance is just as suspicious as Rasmussen's, and suggested if there was to be justice, the peloton should find a way to send Cadel Evans off the front for enough time to give him the yellow jersey.
Regrettably, Liggett and Sherwin followed immediately with the pro-doping Omerta coverup, clearly planned and crafted before the show, to try and promote Contador as "pure" and clean, and to promote the Dopescovery squad. Despicable.
But good on Trautwig for finally breaking the media Omerta. A huge breath of fresh air.
I don't think you can say he broke Omerata. Everyone is a stand up guy until they are caught, then it is obvious they were cheating.
Like Boonen's assertion that you can't focus on one race, the converse is true, that the competition against doped riders is so great that a clean rider couldn't win the Tour without incredible focus on peaking for July. Peaking for the tour has been going on since Indurain. Whether you think Indurain used drugs or not, it was before the time of the EPO test, when riders started having to hide from testing.
Tour de Farce.
Liggett strikes again
From Phil Liggett's VS blog:
"The new leader of the race will be young Spaniard, Alberto Contador by 1:53 ahead of Cadel Evans and Levi Leipheimer who is +56 seconds in third.
Thank heavens none of these three riders have ever been remotely suspected in dealing with drugs and could now turn out to be the race’s saviors."
If it wasn't so serious, it might be funny. Alberto "Puerto" Contador, product of the Saiz-Fuentes school of cycling, the new "savior". There is no question about it, Liggett and the rest of the VS crew are not just loveable dolts and buffoons, they're a MAJOR part of the war that's being fought over whether the sport will clean up or not. And they're on the status quo / pro-doping side of the war.
Oh my..I've been traveling all day and my friend left me updates the cell..I'm speechless..Levi on Evans' wheel right now on the last climb..
RASMUSSEN OUT OF TOUR
Just when you thought it couldn't get any stranger.
Rabobank has fired Mickael Rasmussen and booted him from the Tour. The offense? He lied to them and told them he was in Mexico in June when really he was in Italy.
The World Wrestling Federation has got nothing on this circus!
WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!
Can any of you photoshop wizards out there put a skull and crossbones on a tombstone above the words "Le Tour de France" using a pair of crossed syringes instead of bones???
Yeah, the photos of France are pretty. Looks like they have nice weather and the mountains look cool.
Who wins the race? And how much pain have the other team members gone through to watch their leaders get tossed out of the Tour?
"...The worst part is that he doesn't only endanger the sportive side of things, but also a lot of jobs. You try to find a new sponsor in a situation like this."
And nobody in the U.S. cares anymore. Good job! The doping scandal is a mere footnote in the U.S. to a referee betting on NBA games and shaving points, an NFL star involved in an abusive dog fighting ring, and Bonds going for a new MLB home run record.
Soccer is probably a bigger sport in the U.S. than cycling anyway, and Beckham barely makes headlines here.
Bend it Like Beckham!
Meanwhile, in the battle of the dope doctors ...
With today's final mountain stage now complete, it appears all but certain that mystery Dr. X will win the Tour de Dope-Doctors. With Dr. Ferrari booted from the race (Vino), it came down a duel between Dr. X (Rasmussen) and Dr. Fuentes (Contador, Valverde).
Now all that's left is for someone to reveal Dr. X's identity. Gotta give him credit, his Franken-cyclists kicked the bejeepers out of Fuentes and Ferrari this year.
Boonen goes ballistic
Well, well, well, it looks like the biggest name yet has broken free of Omerta and let loose with comments on doping. They are the strongest I've yet heard. To say the least. World Champion and current Points (green jersey) leader Tom Boonen had this to say in response to learning of Vino's positive:
"Alexandre Vinokourov is an asshole, I hope he serves a life-long suspension. I don't get it, everybody knew he was one of the 'men in black'! I saw him train in an anonymous team kit a few times myself, and so did Steegmans. So test those guys every day, dammit! I can only hope that Vino's handiwork won't make the people think we're all the same. The worst part is that he doesn't only endanger the sportive side of things, but also a lot of jobs. You try to find a new sponsor in a situation like this."
Then Boonen turned his comments to Rasmussen and the GC leaders ...
"It would probably be better for everybody if Rasmussen doesn't win the Tour. If he's smart he loses a few minutes on the last mountain stage. I don't know if Alberto Contador is clean or not, but I absolutely don't trust Rasmussen. But I still think it is possible to win the Tour without doping. Take Cadel Evans: a hell of a rider, and clean. The cheaters are relatively easy to find: the ones who play hide and seek. Guys that don't do anything for months and then start flying all of a sudden. That's impossible."
Perhaps next time he's interviewed, Boonen will let us know how what he really thinks.
Actually, it's extremely interesting to hear Boonen single out Cadel Evans as clean. He's neither a countryman, nor a teammate, nor a former teammate. Is Cadel the "real" Maillot Jaune? The "real" winner of the TDF?
Time to eliminate the teams. It is supposed to be an individual race and the best person win.
Meanwhile, Vino denies..something happened to his blood after his 5th Stage fall..another slap in the face to his fans[me included]
http://www.todociclismo.com/tour/noticia.asp?id=39296
Vinokurov niega haberse dopado. "Dice que puede haber habido un problema con su sangre ligado a la caída que se produjo" en la quinta etapa.
"Vinokourov could be suspended for two years; in addition, he could be liable to pay a year’s salary, according to an anti-doping pact that riders were required to sign before the Tour."
From the same NYT article.
Question: Why isn't the team manager or doctor liable to a fine? Why is it the rider? (Given how wide spread the doping seems to be.) Or is losing sponsors the only effective punishment?
>I've got Versus on right now, they're repeating Stage 15..Vino breaking from his breakaway.."He's riding like a man possessed"..by someone else's hemoglobin..<
Exactly. I was watching the re-run, having missed it earlier, when my spouse called to say the NY Times said Vino quit because of having somebody else's blood in his veins.
My spouse had to put up with my yelling, "WHAT?" then ranting for a few minutes...
Why do I bother watching?
P.S., I repeat my hope that they get blood free of HIV, hepatitis, etc. Meanwhile, the Red Cross says there is a severe shortage of Type O blood for emergencies, and would people please donate blood.
I think this Tdf should be terminated..or even better, we fans should stage a world wide rally while the dopers are parading down the Champs..
NY Times article on it. Prudhomme angry. Very angry.
At a news conference Tuesday, a visibly angry Christian Prudhomme, the director of the Tour, said that the riders “are playing Russian roulette” by continuing to try to sneak doping practices past cycling officials. He called for an overhaul of the system of testing riders, which is overseen not by the Tour but by the International Cycling Union.
“The system doesn’t work,” he said, jabbing the table with his index finger. “A system that doesn’t defend the world’s most popular cycling race is a failure, and it can’t carry on.”
The news was the third drug scandal to arise during this year’s Tour.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/25/sports/sportsspecial1/25tour.html
"Le Tour de Farce"
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6131132
I read in an editorial how by yesterday, Rasmussen was isolated on and off the bike..he's not alone anymore..in a way, poetic justice of sorts..it was bothering me that he was the one being reviled when we knew that there were other guilty folk riding along side him..
Vino is passing through the mobs right now up the summit..damn..
I had to attend to some things right after I posted the Vino headline..My God..yes, I too feel like crying..I've got Versus on right now, they're repeating Stage 15..Vino breaking from his breakaway.."He's riding like a man possessed"..by someone else's hemoglobin..
David Millar again
His last quote as he left the interview room ...
"I'm gutted. I really feel like crying right now."
Don't we all, David. Don't we all.
I can hardly wait ...
... to see how the VS network stooges will spin their way out of talking about this.
Sure is a damned good thing they didn't mention the fact that Alberto Contador is one of the infamous 9 banned from the start of last year's race -- yet picked up by Discovery. Just like Basso.
The Operacion Puerto refugees went to Astana and Discovery.
"we can just all pack our bags and go home."
Well, here's the quote of the day from David Millar ...
"If a guy of his stature and class is doing that in what's cycling living right now, we can just all pack our bags and go home."
It appears the proverbial merde has hit the fan
German and French news both reporting that Vinokourov tested positive for blood doping immediately prior to the ITT.
And L'Equipe is now reporting the entire Astana team is pulling out of the Tour and leaving today.
If this is true, then it wouldn't surprise me if all hell breaks loose. For the first time I can remember, there are active riders in the race talking trash about a fellow racer -- most notably David Millar blasting Rasmussen -- and maybe more important, there are team managers and directors making seriously accusatory comments -- notably the DSes of 3 separate teams in the race.
If Rasmussen gets taken down next, then all attention will turn to Alberto Contador -- who was among the infamous 9 riders who were blocked from riding last year's Tour for suspicions generated by the Operacion Puerto affair. This is a guy whose entire professional career prior to finding refuge with Discovery this year, was with the infamous ONCE team, and then the last 3 years with the blown-up Liberty Seguros team -- yes, the one run by Manolo Saiz, he of the refrigerated briefcase full of blood bags and the briefcase full of 80k Euro busted in the café making an exchange, that kicked off the entire Operacion Puerto affair.
There is no question in my mind Contador is a great bike rider. There's also little question in my mind that he's doped.
I'm actually surprised Michael Boogerd and Popovych haven't gotten busted yet. The unnatural performance of those guys could hardly be more obvious.
What a mess.
But hardly a surprise.
Vino tests positive for blood doping after
Albi ITT and Astana quits the tour..anyone else hear anything?..I was just browsing over at Lequipe.fr and found this news..
http://lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2007/20070724_174418Dev.html
How long ago was it that the TDF was about individual competition and not "team competition" riding to protect/help/aid their star rider so he could eventually win.
Somehow I don't think it sounds right and it probably has contributed to these riders as a group using illegal substances as a whole in order for their star to win?
Lang, you nailed it re: Vino attacking..great call!..no transformation to generous teammate yet..
Quote of the day
Rabobank super-domestique Thomas Dekker on the super-strong performance of the Rabobank team driving the front of the peloton all day long and completely controlling the race for Rasmussen:
"I used to watch the Festinas do this."
ROTFLMAO. Freudian slip?!!
Good observation
I doubt seriously cyclists like Rasmussen are going to be buying stuff like this from anyone other than a rogue doctor or clinician. Again, there just wasn't that much of this stuff manufactured by 2002. I believe Rasmussen never left Colorado, and likely was never anywhere other than the short corridor between Denver and Vail.
BioPure was selling less than 10,000 units of its veterinary version of the stuff (Oxyglobin) per year then. There's no chance they had a particularly large number of individuals involved in a clinical trial.
The observation you made -- that someone charged Rasmussen big bucks for the stuff -- suggests there's a lot more to this story. We don't just have cyclists trying to get their hands on cutting edge stuff, we have greedy and unethical clinicians and/or doctors selling it under the table.
Again, I think if someone really wanted to find out the origin, it could have been done. And then there would have been a real story going beyond cycling.
Rasmussen didn't just see this magical potion in his dream one night, wake up and find the name of the seller in the yellow pages. Someone had to have told him about the stuff, and then directed him to the crooked doctor. That means the doctor had at least two "patients" and in all likelihood, they were elite cyclists. Whom else would Rasmussen know or be talking with in the U.S. that would have had that type of conversation with him?
First, do no harm.
Second, don't be stupid.
Biopure would have had labeled packages of the product sitting around if only for use in clinical trials and to conduct stability tests mandated by the FDA for labeling reasons (i.e., determining the expiration date they could use on their product.)
Given that the FDA and others had concerns about the manufacturing quality controls, I'd hate to be one of the first to test this blood substitute. You can argue that using it in very healthy young people under close supervision carries less risk than the trauma care or surgery for which it was originally intended.
People with access to it would include people at Biopure, people running clinical trials, and distributors, including low level employees all along the chain if bags that were meant to be discarded weren't. (And presumably others.) I would rule out routine "dumpster diving" in this case as I assume it would be viewed as a biohazard, thus destined for the incinerator. (Then again, I have no idea what they do with cow blood at slaughterhouses.)
This line from the VeloNews story caught my eye:
'Richards said Rasmussen became very upset when Richards explained he had disposed of it, asking him if he had "any idea how much that shit cost?"'
Pure idle comments on my part. I have no intention to cast aspersions on anyone.
"getting whacked ..."
Bunch sprints are definitely for the young and fearless.
Do you "have to worry about getting whacked by a bike when trying to pass someone at the finish?" Definitely. But there's a bit more to it than worrying just about an "inadvertent" whack.
First, sprinting is a "full contact" game. In fact, racing the way the pros you're watching in the Tour do, there's a suprising amount of contact just riding down the road. If it looks on TV like these guys are packed impossibly close together on the road like sardines, it because, well, they are! It's just part of the game riding in packs among guys who race or spend a ton of time on their bikes -- you "feel" movement around you and it's just a given that when the road squeezes down, or when a group spread across the road wants to squeeze down to dive through a turn, you're going to elbow to hip, shoulder to shoulder contact. If a guy is overlapped with you (i.e. picture someone a half bike-length in front of you) and starts to push down on you, whether to fight for the draft of a guy in front of you, or give himself more room for an upcoming corner, it's common just to reach out and forward, put a hand on his hip and push him back out. If a guy's intent on squeezing you to the point you think he might hook you (his bars hooking yours -- a bad scene), you shift weight, lean over and put your shoulder into him. At a minimum you shoot an elbow and and fend him off. And heck, this is what you expect on an amateur training ride, much less in the Tour among big boys at the end of a stage.
At any rate, back to the sprinting ...
Tactically when you sprint you are always worried about getting squeezed, blocked, pinched, or having the door shut. All of those things can and often do involve contact. One thing I'll say for the TDF coverage, the aerial views of the sprints really show this stuff better than you'd ever see otherwise.
For example, in his earlier stage win, Tom Boonen squeezed down on Juan Antonio Flecha as he sensed him gaining from behind on the right. He did it early enough that Flecha had no choice but to veer right and slow just a tad. It was just enough to ensure the door was shut on his momentum. Then in Boonen's next stage win, it was Erik Zabel in second place pinching down on Julian Dean (who was leading out Thor Hushovd). Again, it was Dean quartered up behind and to the right of Zabel, and Zabel hipped him out so hard, Thor not only lost his lead-out, but was actually forced to go left to find an open alley. That sprint was perfectly set up for Credit Agricole and had Zabel not knocked Dean out, I'm fairly certain Thor would have been raising his arms rather than Boonen.
I can't recall where to find it, but in one of Cadel Evans' interviews, he was asked about being up near the front for one of the bunch sprints, and he said he was in perfect position so figured he'd have a go at it, but quickly pulled up when one of the big boys stuffed a derailleur into Evans' front wheel. He was pretty cool about it, laughing when he said it. Last time that happened to me I wasn't done with the adrenaline rush of fear for 20 minutes and I was still replaying the incident in my head in my dreams that night. Heh. Just one more way in which I'm reminded of how much "tougher" those guys are than us mere mortals.
Remember a couple years ago when Thor Hushovd got his arm slashed in the final sprint? (How could anyone forget with VS using that as a bloody promo over and over and over?!). There's a perfect example of how someone whipping out of the draft and trying to use the slingshot to come around and pass can get squeezed and pinned. Basically, whomever it was ahead of Hushovd felt him coming and rode him straight into the barriers. That kind of thing is basically a massive game of chicken/daring, because if nobody yields, there's going to be heavy contact and sometimes a brutal crash. In that case, Hushovd was not yielding and not going to pull up just because he was getting squeezed into the barriers. Had the fan not stuck the placard over the side that hit him, there would have been a very physical contact between Hushovd and whomever it was squeezing down on him from his left.
Because the Tour organizers typically try and give the sprinters a long fairly straight run in, you don't see it quite as often, but some of the most desperate contact comes in the very high speed corners just in advance of a final sprint. The closer the corner is to the finish, the more impossible it is to come from more than a couple spots back, and so the more important it is to get in those top 3 or 4 spots going into the corner. So there's literally a race to the corner, and inevitably there's a guy 7 or 8 back who tries to dive underneath and cut the corner, which sets up a guaranteed contact situation.
Picture a right-hand corner. Picture the big train all the way to the left-hand side of the street prior to the corner to give themselves the widest apex through the corner so they can maintain the highest possible speed without digging a pedal in the corner. They are going to angle all the way down to cut right to the curb on the corner on the right-hand side as they roll through. Now picture a guy trying to come out from 6th or 7th. He can't get around on the left, because they train is all the way on the left-hand side of the road. And he knows he's got to get through the turn top 4 or he has no chance. So he tries to cut the corner early. Meaning his angle and the angle of the guys in front of him inevitably will cross. Either it happens right as they reach the corner simultaneously, or immediately afterward when they'd be crossing right through him.
That kind of scene is a large part of why I stopped racing. In flat country, most races are criteriums -- tight, short courses -- and inevitably there is the scary fight for the final two corners and then the sprint.
Bottom line, you could never be a sprinter if you gave a whole lot of thought to the contact or the game of "chicken" that happens inevitably as guys try and slingshot out of the draft and get around, while the guys in front inevitably try and stop them by slamming the door shut.
For fun, here's a memory from a couple years ago -- Robbie McEwen and Sean O'Grady having a go at it in what actually was a pretty tame straight ahead sprint. Gives you a bit of an idea of the sort of contact that happens when a guy is trying to slingshot through to one side and the other naturally pushes down on him.
"waiting patiently for one of your summaries"
Thx for the compliment, sorry not to have yet obliged with much on the race itself.
Don't have a lot more time at the moment, but one thing to note ... Vino finished 29 minutes down today. Recall he was at 5 minutes down over the first summit. I think that's a hint that Vino concluded his Tour was over the moment he was dropped, and at that point, having conceded GC defeat, immediately set about thinking "what now?" and quickly concluded he'd like to bag one of the two remaining critical mountain stages with a patented Vino suicide attack.
Barring some sort of serious illness, the only way Vino drops nearly all the way back to the caravan of riders at the back of the race (which only finished another 5 minutes behind him), is if he was deliberately saving something for another day. In fact, what those times mean is that Vino actually rode slower from over the final 25km and final climb, than the gruppeto at the very back! (He was well more than 5 minutes clear of them going over the first climb).
So ... if Vino does not quit the race, then look for him to launch an early attack either on the Col d'Aspet or Col de Menté, or to "fill up" on the rest day (as it appears the Astana team did on the first rest day), and have a go at a similar early attack on the Col de la Pierre St. Martin on the final mountain stage (16).
There is one other alternative ... which is that Vino is for the first time in his career going to try and ride sacrifically as a loyal teammate, in an effort to help Kloeden take the legs away from Rasmussen, Contador and Levi.
At this point, in order for either Evans or Kloeden to win, they must have a blisteringly hard pace set on the less steep climbs, where absolute horsepower winds up more important that "pure climbing". In other words, on the HC climbs, the super-lightweight guys like Rasmussen and Contador and Levi have an advantage over bigger, stronger guys like Kloeden and Vino. But on lesser climbs, where it's more a power to total horsepower, guys like Kloeden and Vino can wear down the smaller climbers.
Back in the "old days", there were several Tours that featured showdowns between the "pure climbers" and the "all-arounders". The all-arounders included the likes of Bernard Hinault, Laurent Fignon and Greg LeMond. They knew the tactical importance of destroying the legs of the pure climbers before they got to the mountains, which is why System-U and La Vie Claire used to attack heavily on the flat stages. In some respects, you got a glimpse of this when Astana came to front on the big flat open stage when the road turned into an exposed cross-wind. It took Astana less than 5 minutes of work at the front of the peloton to shatter it and break it in two.
Had we seen more of that sort of tactic early on, we would have seen the pure climbers much more worn out by the time they hit the mountains. Even if they were able to hang on and avoid getting time put on them in a daily onslaught for 3 or 4 days, they would have been riding seriously dead legs by now.
Instead, it looks a near-certainty now that a climber will win the Tour for the first time since Marco Pantani -- the two biggest favorites being Rasmussen and Contador.
That's not to say Levi's wheel sucking and "conserve, conserve, conserve -- defense, defense, defense" might not ultimately wind up handing him the Tour if the others all attack each other into oblivion and Evans elects to try and cover them all and gets burned up himself. But I'd say if Rasmussen and Contador play this right, they should be able to work with Solano to make the Tour their own private conquest.
There's an obvious deal to be made there -- Solano wants the KOM jersey. Rasmussen and Contador could agree to work together to finish off everyone else, then let the best man win in the final HC climb on Stage 16 together with the final ITT.
Right on Biowatch
This is exactly where any responsible journalist would have gone if one actually existed at VeloNews.
Although Hemopure received its administrative approval in South Africa in mid-2001, it did not make its first shipments of Hemopure to S.A. until January 2006.
There simply wasn't a lot of this stuff floating around in 2002. Considering the limitations and restrictions on manufacture and administration of experimental products, a little sleuthing from VeloNews might have uncovered the source from which Rasmussen got the stuff.
In the modern era of doping, it has long been the subject of conversation and debate, whether the drug testing could screen for the latest and greatest compounds being used. There was great speculation and debate about whether there was an underground relationship between the leading sports doctors of professional cyclists (and track and field and other Olympic athletes) and corporate drug companies looking to unofficially test their products on human guinea pigs. Roche's CERA has now finally be approved. But by 2003 it was known to have been used by German cycling doctors at Telekom. In fact, several riders wound up in the hospital nearly having been killed by the stuff. There have been similar rumors about Hemopure for a number of years. (This, incidentally was all the way back during the 2001 TDF).
Indeed, the alarm bells should have been going off about a bovine-derived blood boosting agent. Anyone as close to cycling as the VeloNews people are were only too familiar with the whisperings about widespread use among Dutch, Belgian and Italian teams of the bovine-derived compound Actovegin. Oh, that and the fact that French television crews caught the US Postal Service team racing down a dirt road to an out of the way dumpster to dispose of blood bags full of Actovegin. And of which when confronted on camera, Armstrong said "I have no idea what Acto-whatever is" and Bruyneel said "I know what it is and I can tell you we have none," followed shortly afterward (once the French TV crew showed him the footage of the Discovery team car and staff dumping the Actovegin blood bags in the dumpster) with a 180 degree reversal and "oh, oh, I forgot, yes we had Actovegin -- we use it to treat road rash" (!!!) Never mind that there weren't any Postal Service racers sporting road rash that the empty bags of Actovegin might have been used on.
Here's the really ironic part ... had VeloNews followed up on the story in 2004, it would have led them to CSC, where Rasmussen was riding at the time. And where a certain Bjarne Riis, fellow Dane, was D.S., and where a certain Ivan Basso had suddenly appeared out of nowhere to status as a TDF future Top 5 candidate.
Had Velo News even so much as passed the information along -- anonymously if necessary -- to the UCI, it would have had quite a story just on how the UCI elected to react (or not react).
"it speaks to Velo and Walsh's integrity"
Hmmm. I'll agree where Walsh is concerned -- he actually put the story in print. Ironically, since he came into possession of the information in his capacity as an author, he was under no obligation to do anything with it.
Velo News, OTOH, is allegedly a news reporting outfit. When they come into possession of news, it is their duty and responsibility to report it. To do otherwise is to participate in what amounts to a coverup.
When Velo News came into possession of the information from Whitney Richards, if it judged Mr. Richards and the information he passed along to be potentially credible, it had a duty to do at least a basic investigation and fact check (particularly given the gravity of the information and its newsworthiness). To the extent the facts checked out, then it was their responsibility to dig further and then publish the news in an appropriate manner.
Had Velo News done that, they would have very quickly been able to verify the basic outlines of Richards' claims: that Rasmussen lived in Italy at the time, that he was at the Vail event, that the PhD Richards consulted did exist, did witness the dope, and would verify Richards' recounting of the events as having been the same in the contemporaneous time frame as they were later offered to VeloNews. At that point, they would have gone on to verify that Richards did in fact fly to Italy on the date he claimed, and they'd verify that Richards and Rasmussen knew each other.
Next, they'd logically have investigated the nature of the alleged drug. If it existed (and obviously it did), the next line of investigation would be to find out what it would take for someone to get their hands on it -- we're talking about a drug produced in very limited quantities for research and test purposes only as it hadn't received approval from the FDA.
Bottom line, they killed the story and buried it. And not because there wasn't enough of a factual base to write one. I think it had a lot more to do with trying to keep a certain set of advertisers happy, and the fact that most of the people in the employ of VeloNews are not trained journalists, but the kind of wannabes and sports fans looking to preserve their own access to their heroes and avoid upsetting Lance Armstrong and the doping mafia. Ironically, 2004 is when the evidence of widespread doping in the peloton was piling up at a rapid rate. Unfortunately, the affinity publications didn't want to upset the apple cart.
Shame on them. Their failure to do their jobs with integrity turns out to have been an integral part of the effectiveness of Omerta, and why it is we're still dealing with doping scandals today.
>>According to labels, the bags were filled with a hemoglobin-based oxygen carrier (HBOC) known as Hemopure, manufactured by the U.S.-based Biopure Corporation. The product is made from hemoglobin molecules that have been removed from the red cells of cow's blood. Originally designed as an emergency blood substitute that requires no refrigeration, Hemopure has only been approved for human use in South Africa. U.S. clinical trials were recently suspended over safety concerns, but a similar product is currently used for veterinary purposes.<<
The bleeding edge of research...
I'm curious where he got Hemopure in March of 2002. I don't know when it was approved for use in people in South Africa, where concerns about HIV contaminated blood are higher. It shouldn't be that hard to develop a test for it.
I hope the riders get blood that's free of HIV, hepatitis, and other contaminants.
From the Biopure website:
"Biopure introduced Oxyglobin to U.S. veterinary emergency clinics and teaching hospitals in March 1998, and nationally launched the product through distributors to community veterinary practices in October 1998. Since that time, the product has been used by thousands of veterinarians nationwide to treat various critical conditions."
http://www.biopure.com/shared/home.cfm?CDID=2&CPgID=54
"In October 2002, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) accepted for review Biopure's biologic license application (BLA) to market Hemopure in the United States for a similar indication in orthopedic surgical patients. This acceptance is the first time a hemoglobin-based oxygen therapeutic for human use has reached this stage in the U.S. regulatory process. On July 30, 2003, the FDA issued Biopure a complete response letter requesting additional information and setting forth all of the agency's questions as of that date."
http://www.biopure.com/shared/home.cfm?CDID=2&CPgID=53
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Biopure Receives Comment Letter From U.K. Regulatory Body on Marketing Application for Hemopure
Wednesday January 10, 6:30 am ET [2007]
...The letter identifies and captions as "Major" issues relating to toxicology, quality, clinical efficacy and safety, including the product's benefit-risk balance in the proposed indication when blood is readily available. It captions as "Other" several dozen issues primarily relating to chemistry, manufacturing and controls. Unless these issues are satisfactorily addressed, the Commission may be unable to recommend marketing authorization.<<
Dissembling of the 'old way'(as Gerdemann put it during his stage win interviews) is never pretty..whether in cycling or medicine(where I've got experience) ..as disappointed as I was about the Rasmussen bomb from VeloNews, it's more believable than most I've read about any other rider..I happen to like Rasmussen..just today, he was humble enuff to attribute his drier conditions to his win..when I met him briefly at Toc, there was nothing about him that made me feel creepy..but that's neither here nor there..
I think it speaks to Velo and Walsh's integrity that they were aware of this and nothing leaked out into the cycling community..although I wish it had come out sooner..
Sinkewitz..I'm sure you've read what I have..that Stapleton made it seem that last week's announcement was the first he'd heard about it..
I'm bracing for it to get uglier
Here we go again ...
First Mickael Rasmussen is busted for failing to file reports on his whereabouts in the month leading up to the TDF, thereby ensuring the out-of-competition testers could not find him.
Next, when asked point blank of he's ever doped, he responds not with "No" but "you can trust me".
And now finally, the bombshell:
http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12851.0.html
Before last week, besides the general suspicions, I'd never read anything substantive about Rasmussen doping. He was clear of Operacion Puerto. Yet, I knew the second he responded to the doping question with "trust me" what the score was. That was ripped right out of pages of the Armstrong playbook. And a heck of a deja vu moment with respect to Tyler Hamilton's entire "Trust Tyler" campaign. In fact, I seem to recall Floyd rolling out the "trust me ..." line quite a bit as well.
And now the details come tumbling out.
A shame because Rasmussen is an engaging interview and a likeable kind of guy.
BTW, on the subject of Sinkewitz' positive, I agree, the checklist of things the UCI/WADA need to do to satisfy due process should not take nearly as long as they do. I was just pointing out that this is not a special delay, the timeline is similar to most WADA cases for how long it takes them to check the boxes before coming public.
Having thought longer about this though, there's one critical question that none of the media have zeroed in on ... namely, when did T-Mobile receive notice? Knowing the UCI's notification procedures, I think it's an almost guaranteed lock that T-Mobile was notified BEFORE the start of the Tour.
If that's true, then someone needs to ask T-Mobile why in the heck they did not follow the ProTour teams ethical code and hold Sinkewitz out of the Tour? It's absolutely incredible to think T-Mobile may have sent a racer to start the Tour knowing he had a positive A-sample!! I am not at all convinced that Bill Stapleton can be trusted. He hired riders with known doping pasts (like Sergui Gonchar), or with strong suspicions (like Mick Rogers who worked privately with Michele Ferrari, etc), he allegedly got rid of riders like Ullrich, Mazolenni, Kloeden, etc., etc. allegedly because he'd concluded they were involved in doping, and got rid of Walter Godefroot when it became clear there was a systematic program that Godefroot oversaw, but then never investigated where they got the dope, or whether the team doctors had been involved in administering the program and helping the riders beat the doping tests. Even after the doctors were fingered, he initially tried to ride things out and keep them until the flames got too hot.
Ditto the whole situation with Rolf Aldag and his extremely limited confession -- with Stapleton electing to keep him rather than get someone clean.
And here's an even bigger question ... it turns out that Sinkewitz has failed to filed the exact same paperwork as Rasmussen! Not once but twice! Naturally including the lead-up to the TDF.
Even without the A-positive, what exactly is Stapleton and Aldag doing not suspending the guy?!! He's clearly and obviously evading the out-of-competition doping tests. And the team is ENTIRELY AWARE because the papers are actually filed through the team!
The whole sorry mess is rotten to the core. That ASO and the Tour de France have been entirely silent on the Rasmussen stories is only the icing on the cake.
Fitting for a day when Mickael Rasmussen and Alberto Contador beat David Millar in a 54 km ITT. Bwahahahahahaha! The thought of it -- Alberto Contador and Mickael Rasmussen time trialing along faster than David Millar for more than an hour -- takes us straight out from the sublime to the ridiculous.
I remember that crash at TOC and it was here[your comentary]that I learned how Jens and others were denied proper placement..
I can only imagine what the morale has been at Dsco[entire peloton for that matter] this past year..I hear rumors that SlipStream is trying to court Hincapie over..have you heard anything? Johann is a jerk..flitting from one cyclist leader to another..Levi, Basso, Levi, Contador..just pieces of flesh to use for his own interests..
Btw, I watched Levi's prerace interview..he looked so fresh and fit..I'm so looking forward to seeing if he does good by his protectors tomorrow and next week..
Sinkewitz riding with Landis..wow..thanks, I didn't know..I still disagree with these people..someone's not working together..the Tour organizers and team deserve to have had those results..isn't it weird/stupid that T-Mobile doesn't test for testosterone in its own controls?
Liggett..I get a creepy feeling that he may have some dementia going on..yesterday Sherwin stepped in and gave the correct name of a village..It reminded me of how relatives of someone with dementia or Alzheimers step in to cover..I probably didn't have the knowledge to know, but I don't recall him making these kinds of mistakes last year..do you know if he's worse this year?..
Who are some names that you'd like to see replacing Liggett et. al?
My spouse is amazed at how much the bikes weave from side to side on the final sprints to the finish line. The sprinters are stomping on the pedals and their center of mass remains essentially unchanged while transferring the maximum amount of power to the drive train/pedals.
For those of you who have raced, I take it you have to worry about getting whacked by a bike when trying to pass someone at the finish?
Of course, going into oxygen debt doesn't matter at this point.
The Bicycling Paradox: Fit Doesn’t Have to Mean Thin
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/health/nutrition/17essa.html?ex=1185508800&en=323483aa96ece5bb...
>>“When I first got into cycling, I would see cyclists and say, ‘O.K., that’s not what I perceive a cyclist to be,’ ” said Michael Berry, an exercise physiologist at Wake Forest University. Dr. Berry had been a competitive runner, and he thought good cyclists would look like good runners — rail-thin and young.
But, Dr. Berry added, “I quickly learned that when I was riding with someone with a 36-inch waist, I could be looking at the back of their waist when they rode away from me.”
He came to realize, he said, that cycling is a lot more forgiving of body type and age than running. The best cyclists going up hills are those with the best weight-to-strength ratio, which generally means being thin and strong. But heavier cyclists go faster downhill. And being light does not help much on flat roads.
James Hagberg, a kinesiology professor at the University of Maryland, explains that the difference between running on a flat road and cycling on a flat road has to do with the movement of the athlete’s center of gravity.
“In running, when you see someone who is obviously overweight, they will be in trouble,” Dr. Hagberg said. “The more you weigh, the more the center of gravity moves and the more energy it costs. But in cycling, there are different aerodynamics — your center of gravity is not moving up and down.”
The difference between cycling and running is like the difference between moving forward on a pogo stick and rolling along on wheels. And that is why Robert Fitts, an exercise physiologist at Marquette University who was a competitive runner, once said good runners run so smoothly they can almost balance an apple on their heads. <<
The Bicycling Paradox: Fit Doesn’t Have to Mean Thin
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/health/nutrition/17essa.html?ex=1185508800&en=323483aa96ece5bb...
July 17, 2007
Fitness
The Bicycling Paradox: Fit Doesn’t Have to Mean Thin
By GINA KOLATA
Andy Hampsten, the former pro cyclist, the only American ever to win the Tour of Italy, the first American ever to win the grueling Alpe d’Huez stage of the Tour de France, does his best to discourage casual riders from signing up for the cycling trips he leads in Tuscany.
“All of our trips are designed to satisfy experienced riders,” Mr. Hampsten writes on his Web site. To train, he suggests, “you should ride at least 100 miles a week for at least 6 to 10 weeks” on routes with “as many hills as you can find.”
So I had an image of what our fellow cyclists would look like when my husband, son and I arrived in Castagneto Carducci for a cycling vacation. They would look like Mr. Hampsten, who at age 45 remains boyishly thin and agile, bouncing with energy.
I was wrong. For the most part, our group consisted of ordinary-looking, mostly middle-age men and a few middle-age women.
These were serious cyclists. One of them was Bob Eastaugh, a 63-year-old justice on the Alaska Supreme Court who said he rode mostly to stay in shape for his true passion, downhill ski racing.
And our trip was challenging. The longest hill was 15 miles, the steepest had a 15 percent grade, the longest one-day ride was 90 miles, and the terrain was never, ever flat. It is hard to imagine that a group of middle-age adults could have handled an equivalently difficult 10 days of running. What, I wondered, made bicycling different?
It turns out that others, too, have been struck by the paradox of bicycling fitness.
“When I first got into cycling, I would see cyclists and say, ‘O.K., that’s not what I perceive a cyclist to be,’ ” said Michael Berry, an exercise physiologist at Wake Forest University. Dr. Berry had been a competitive runner, and he thought good cyclists would look like good runners — rail-thin and young.
But, Dr. Berry added, “I quickly learned that when I was riding with someone with a 36-inch waist, I could be looking at the back of their waist when they rode away from me.”
He came to realize, he said, that cycling is a lot more forgiving of body type and age than running. The best cyclists going up hills are those with the best weight-to-strength ratio, which generally means being thin and strong. But heavier cyclists go faster downhill. And being light does not help much on flat roads.
James Hagberg, a kinesiology professor at the University of Maryland, explains that the difference between running on a flat road and cycling on a flat road has to do with the movement of the athlete’s center of gravity.
“In running, when you see someone who is obviously overweight, they will be in trouble,” Dr. Hagberg said. “The more you weigh, the more the center of gravity moves and the more energy it costs. But in cycling, there are different aerodynamics — your center of gravity is not moving up and down.”
The difference between cycling and running is like the difference between moving forward on a pogo stick and rolling along on wheels. And that is why Robert Fitts, an exercise physiologist at Marquette University who was a competitive runner, once said good runners run so smoothly they can almost balance an apple on their heads.
Even Mr. Hampsten has been surprised by the cycling paradox. He recalls a woman from San Diego who went on one of his trips. “She was quite overweight,” he said, and even though she claimed to be an experienced cyclist, he worried that she would have trouble keeping up with the group. He was wrong.
“She rode so well,” Mr. Hampsten said. “Her cadence was very efficient. I was just amazed and delighted.”
As for the effects of aging, serious recreational cyclists do slow down, but they are not penalized as much as runners by the passing of years, Dr. Hagberg said. It’s because cycling, while grueling, is not as demanding as running.
“The best example of that, in a bizarre way, is the Tour de France,” Dr. Hagberg said. “What runner could go out six hours a day for three weeks and not be totally trashed after a day or two? That’s a microcosm of the aging issue.”
Still, even the best serious recreational cyclist is almost a different species from a professional rider. How much faster, our touring group asked Mr. Hampsten, would a professional rider go up that 15 percent grade during a race? About twice as fast as the fastest in our group, he replied.
And how about recovery after racing? Mr. Hampsten used to compete in 100 races a year, including the Tour de France, and he would recover by going for a long, relaxed ride. It sometimes took him three hours of cycling to warm up after a hard race. Then he’d continue for another two hours.
But recovery does become a limiting factor for professional cyclists, Mr. Hampsten said. It’s why most professional riders can no longer win long, multiday races after age 32.
“It’s almost eerie that at 32 years, you stop winning,” Mr. Hampsten said. “The endurance seems to stay, but recuperation doesn’t come around.”
When Mr. Hampsten retired, he was 34, “and I hadn’t won a race in two years.”
Now, he estimates, he is 80 percent as fit as he used to be.
But 80 percent for Andy Hampsten is still impressive. As soon as our cycling tour ended, he headed out on a fast ride that included a long hill to the town of Suvereto, taking a road with 187 switchback turns.
“It is my favorite road to ride,” he said.
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