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lol, that's not a Christian reply.
Anyway...yeah....bring it over here. Nobody but us bats in the belfry.
I hate to say it but, no comment.
Heh.....all it takes is one asshole.
I dunno why I didn't just reply to you on this board. I REALLY don't like that other board. I just don't understand all the babble.
Religion is such a pain in the ass to discuss. There's no end to it.
5' of heaven with a pony tail.
Can the mind be aware of that emptiness without naming it?
I think most of us are aware, perhaps only rarely since most of us are so terribly occupied and active, but I think we are aware, sometimes, that the mind is empty. And, being aware, we are afraid of that emptiness. We have never inquired into that state of emptiness, we have never gone into it deeply, profoundly; we are afraid, and so we wander away from it. We have given it a name, we say it is 'empty,' it is 'terrible,' it is 'painful'; and that very giving it a name has already created a reaction in the mind, a fear, an avoidance, a running away.Now, can the mind stop running away, and not give it a name, not give it the significance of a word such as empty about which we have memories of pleasure and pain? Can we look at it, can the mind be aware of that emptiness without naming it, without running away from it, without judging it, but just be with it? Because, then, that is the mind. Then there is not an observer looking at it; there is no censor who condemns it; there is only that state of emptiness with which we are all really quite familiar but which we are all avoiding, trying to fill it with activity, with worship, with prayer, with knowledge, with every form of illusion and excitement. But when all the excitement, illusion, fear, running away stops, and you are no longer giving it a name and thereby condemning it, is the observer different then from the thing which is observed? Surely, by giving it a name, by condemning it, the mind has created a censor, an observer, outside of itself. But when the mind does not give it a term, a name, condemn it, judge it, then there is no observer, only a state of that thing we have called emptiness.
Collected Works, Vol. IX,23,Choiceless Awareness
question; what is happiness?
J.K.
why do we inquire "what is happiness"? is this the right approach? is this the right probing? we are not happy. if we were happy, our world would be entirely different; our civilization, our culture would be wholly, radically different. we are unhappy human beings, petty, miserable, struggling, vain, surrounding ourselves with useless, futile things, satisfied with petty ambitions, with money and position. we are unhappy beings, though we may have knowledge, though we may have money, rich houses, plenty of children, cars, experience...
J. Krishnamurti. "reflections on the self".
Is it possible for the mind not to accept or deny?
Words have condemnatory or appreciative meanings. As long as my mind is caught in words, either I condemn or accept. And is it possible for the mind not to accept or deny, but observe without the word and the symbol interfering with it?
Krishnamrti_ Collected Works, Vol. XII,6,Choiceless Awareness
Can the images come to an end, and thought look at everything in life afresh?
Is it possible to observe without the thinker? I look at everything with an image, with a symbol, with memory, with knowledge. I look at my friend, at my wife, at my neighbor, at the boss, with the image which thought has built. I look at my wife with the image I have about her, and she looks at me with the image she has about me: the relationship is between these two images. This is a fact,it's not an invention on my part,it's a fact! Thought has built these symbols, images, ideas. Can I look, at first, at a tree, at a flower, at the sky, at the cloud, without an image? The image of the tree is the word I have learned which gives a certain name to the tree, tells its species and recalls its beauty. Can I look at that tree, at that cloud, at that flower, without thought, without the image? That's fairly easy to do, if you have done it. But can I look without the image at a human being with whom I am intimate, whom I consider as wife, husband, child? If I can't, there is no real relationship: the only relationship is between the images that we both have. So, can I look at life, the clouds, the stars, the trees, the river, the bird on the wing, my wife, my child, my neighbor, this whole earth -can I look at it all without the image? Though you have insulted me, though you have hurt me, though you have said nasty things about me or praised me, can I look at you without the image or the memory of what you have done and said to me?Do see the importance of this, because it's only a mind that has retained the memories of hurt, of insult, that is ready to forgive, if it is at all inclined that way. A mind that is not storing up its insults, the flatteries that it receives, has nothing to forgive or not forgive; therefore there is no conflict. Thought has created these images, both inwardly and outwardly. Can the images come to an end, and thought look at everything in life afresh? If you can do this, you will find that without your conscious, deliberate effort to change, change has taken place, a radical change. Most people are ambitious; they want to be somebody: authors, painters, businessmen, or politicians. Priests want to become archbishops. Thought has created this society and sees the advantage of becoming powerful, dominant, an important person, which happens only through ambition. Thought has created the image through observation of the man in power and wants the pleasure of owning a big house, having a picture appear in the papers, and all the rest of it. Can one live in this world without ambition, without the image of pleasure which thought has created? Can one function technologically, outwardly, without this poison of ambition? It can be done, but it is possible only when we understand the origin of thinking and understand actually, factually, the unreality of the division between the observer and the observed. Then we can proceed, because then virtue has a totally different meaning. It is not the moral virtue of an ugly, corrupt society, but virtue which is order. Virtue, like humility, is not something to be cultivated by thought. Thought is not virtuous; it is bourgeois, petty, and thought cannot possibly understand either love or virtue or humility.
Krishnamurti_Collected Works, Vol. XVI,169,Choiceless Awareness
Are you anything in yourself?
Questioner: If I have no image of myself, then I am nothing.
Krishnamurti: But are you anything anyhow? [Laughter] Please don't laugh, this is much too serious. Are you anything in yourself? Strip yourself of your name, title, money, position, your little capacity to write a book and be flattered and what are you? So, why not realize and be that? You see, we have an image of what it is to be nothing, and we don't like that image; but the actual fact of being nothing, when you have no image, may be entirely different. And it is entirely different. It is not a state that can be realized in terms of being nothing or of being something. It is entirely different when there is no image of yourself. And to have no image of yourself demands tremendous attention, tremendous seriousness. It is only the attentive, the serious, that live, not the people who have images of themselves.
Collected Works, Vol. XV,196,Choiceless Awareness
Why does one create an image about oneself?
One has an idea, a symbol of oneself, an image of oneself: what one should be, what one is, or what one should not be. Why does one create an image about oneself? Because one has never studied what one is, actually. We think we should be this or that: the ideal, the hero, the example. What awakens anger is that our ideal, the idea we have of ourselves, is attacked. And our idea about ourselves is our escape from the fact of what we are. But when you are observing the actual fact of what you are, no one can hurt you. Then, if one is a liar and is told that one is a liar, it does not mean that one is hurt: it is a fact. But when you are pretending you are not a liar and are told that you are, then you get angry, violent. So, we are always living in an ideational world, a world of myth, and never in the world of actuality. To observe what is, to see it, actually be familiar with it, there must be no judgment, no evaluation, no opinion, no fear.
Krishnamurti_Collected Works, Vol. XII,246,Choiceless Awareness
Measuring the Universe
This is the film from our micro exhibition 'Measuring
the Universe: from the transit of Venus to the edge of
the cosmos'. Uploaded by Royal Observatory Greenwich.
http://vimeo.com/41434123
Membrain head. LOL.
We had camped at Shawnee State Park with my parents and met up with some guys right out of American Graffiti. It was one of those coming of events in the life of a young teenager looking for fun. LOL.
Maybe, lol.
Is it near Bedford, PA? ;)
LOL! Me and my brother met some older teens and one named Moe was driving an old hearse which we rode to some titty bar where they snuck us in. I was 13 at the time and girls were taking on a whole new perspective;)
Hmmm......, lol.
I remember that summer well;)
I remember the song, but not who did it......Napolean XIV...?....you gotta be kidding, lol.
Got me on that one;) Love those one hit wonders;)
Nice find, lol. Remember this one-hit wonder?
The Night Chicago Died
Henry 8th.....looks like 6 is the magic #......he finally got the right one.
sometimes... brilliance!
Absolutely....we're just inquiring here since we don't have "God's Word" to go by, lol.
I would say...leave the smallest footprint you can. Shaolin monks were peaceful but learned the art of self-defense. I think that's important, otherwise you truly are at the mercy of............
Play the game as if it were real......knowing all the while that it's not. After all, the choices, imo, are enslavement, the destruction of the human race or finding a way no matter how improbable or impossible it seems.
sure; I shouldn't expand too much until I'm finished with myself.
but... I can already tell people the secret of life, lol!!!
all right; I see the potential conflict here...
(never forget that when I would have a tete a tete with you we would inquire! into 'stuff');
at least... I would see it like that...
so, to me this is what is happening now; nothing more, nothing less... inquiring!!!
now, what did you say? (let me be an ass, lol)
LOL....hopefully, it will lead to understanding.
Can you expand on this.....
A follower of Descartes?...."I think, therefore I am".
oh yeah... and this will lead to conflict, lol!!!
the smartest reply or question ever made...
"why?"
there is thinking; there's being.
as we can see in society, we can retreat from being but can we retreat from thinking?
of course we can and we do, but not exclusively....
I mean can we function successfully in society just by being.
to me the answer is no; we'll have to play along with society cuz society will always affect our lives.
maybe I still suffer from society's disease; ambition; and I need money to survive!
we have to implement both; no matter what is the paradox; all live is paradox cuz it is rooted in mind. I mean you and I can find a way to eventually become enlightened; we'll always have to face an unenlightened world surrounding us. means; we can't survive without playing along with the material influence it imposes to us.
what we can do, and we do it successfully, is awakening ourselves and spread the word.
we keep thinking, we have to;
conflict it is, conflict it will be.
If you can really understand this, then the seed of that radical revolution has already been planted
Change comes into being when there is no fear, when there is neither the experiencer nor the experience; it is only then that there is the revolution which is beyond time. But that cannot be as long as I am trying to change the 'I', as long as I am trying to change what is into something else. I am the result of all the social and the spiritual compulsions, persuasions, and all the conditioning based on acquisitiveness -my thinking is based on that. To be free from that conditioning, from that acquisitiveness, I say to myself, 'I must not be acquisitive; I must practice nonacquisitiveness.' But such action is still within the field of time, it is still the activity of the mind. Just see that. Don't say, 'How am I to get to that state when I am nonacquisitive?' That is not important. It is not important to be nonacquisitive; what is important is to understand that the mind which is trying to get away from one state to another is still functioning within the field of time, and therefore there is no revolution, there is no change. If you can really understand this, then the seed of that radical revolution has already been planted and that will operate: you have not a thing to do.
Krishnamurti_Collected Works, Vol. VIII,163,Choiceless Awareness
Where there is division, there is conflict.
the dalai lama is somewhere in Europe.
yesterday, he said that the biggest problem of humanity is the differentiation we make between people;
races, religion, background, social class...
it takes a while before one grasps it fully but he's worth it.
we got the words first hand!
LOL! You're worried about asteroids
You should be too because, shit happens.
You must be feeling better today?
I haven't forgotten about this. I am researching it.
http://www.benbest.com/philo/doubles.html
The idea reminds me of a Jet Li movie where one of his many selves goes of an kills the others which makes hom powerfulr. The idea in that movie was fascinating anD thought provoking. Have you seen it? I think it was called The One.
Did I miss something?
You said:
"Truth is a Pathless Land".
"Take a ride to the land inside of your mind
Beyond the seas of thought Beyond the realm of what.
Across the streams of hopes and dreams where things are really not".
Is the thinker different from the thought?
"Is it possible to love without thinking? What do you mean by thinking? Thinking is a response to |
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