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Like I said, Im up baby.......lol
Of course you are ... the stock has fallen to recent lows.
lmao
jmo
Losses? Im up baby.
In Summary ... ROBERT has NO Clue how to build a water heater that works and of any value and is fishing around with delays fashioned from technical lingo for an excuse for more delays.
lolol
jmo
Great news this morning!!!!!!!!!!!
Long WDRP!!!
walker
Wanderport Completing Finite Element Analysis on Its Microwave Energy Tank-Less Water Heater
PR Newswire
NEW YORK, Dec. 22, 2011
NEW YORK, Dec. 22, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Wanderport Corp. (OTC Markets-PINKSHEETS: WDRP) announced today it is completing a Finite Element Analysis on its multi-cavity microwave heating unit (MCMHU) displayed in an informal gathering held by the company on October 25th, 2011 in Burlington Vermont.
The Finite Element Analysis (FEA) is a simulation technique which evaluates the behavior of components, equipment and structures for various loading conditions including applied forces, pressures and temperatures. Mr. Robert Simoneau, Wanderport's Technical Advisor and Product Licensor has approved the FEA currently being completed by Design 1st Inc., who continue to be retained by Wanderport for their engineering and design expertise.
Design 1st Inc. is expecting to achieve design and shape optimization, by evaluating three-dimensional thermal stresses on components and structures within the MCMHU due to a combination of aforementioned pressure and temperature loads. In addition, Design 1st Inc. has also successfully equipped the MCMHU with external thermocouple assemblies, fittings and thermocouple probes, which are found to be fully functional having absolutely no leakage.
Wanderport acknowledges integrity testing has surpassed anticipated timelines, however, the company is of the opinion that the additional analysis and assessment is essential to produce a hassle free functional MCMHU capable of generating efficiency performance results, while withstanding the rigors of beta-testing, transport and multiple demonstrations to manufacturers.
Thanks Pete same to you and everyone that follows this board. My hvac experience is great and I do believe this product will one day heat my houses water.
Hello Cavedwellers and Merry Christmas! Tony on limited posts over there again!!! LOL. You have more credibility, HVAC experience, and are less combative than 99.9% of posters over there. They could use your perspective. Thanks for going to Vermont!
Here is an article that precludes the efficiency numbers coming from WDRP. Even I can understand the graphs presented. GLTA! Long and Strong
http://web.njit.edu/~mitra/green_chemistry/EXP_1.htm
pete
Okay, so you don't believe in the product. That is your right. I'm having a little trouble understanding why you and others that don't have a cent invested here spend so many hours trying to "educate" us gullible rubes. It's my money and I'll spend it however I please, thank you.
Wyo
Could it be time for Clean Coal Technologies (CCTC)? Great new article:
http://www.examiner.com/investing-in-los-angeles/if-only
I will ask for presidential pardon in about 5 days I think 15 days should be my maximum sentence. Oh I also forgot to add that most water entering the heaters are not 50 degrees but closer to 70 since the water heaters are not located near the water meter, water sitting on the cold lines has time to reach room temp before entering the heater. The only times I have seen 50 degree water is on unheated basements and the outdoor temp must be around 30 degrees, since the insulation in the home keeps the place warm. Man I should have gone the extra step and become a heating engineer and be able to do a heat load calculation.
That's interesting Tony. The tankless units I have looked at are smaller, home, non-commercial scale. I imagine that the use of the small tank, assuming some baffles in them, helps with the mixing too.
One of the things I have often seen in the "rate this product" posts is that people complain about sudden cold water intermittently during showers - I would also.
I am pretty disappointed that it looks to me like the idea of an electric point-of-use is not realistic - getting 60 am 220 run everywhere is a pretty big up-front expense. When I earned my way in the midwest doing plumbing it was only pretty standard stuff, no commercial that was heavier duty that a scaled up residential. My own bottomline seems to be that I am probably looking at a point-of-entry, whole house, probably with a solar pre-heat since I am no longer in the icy winter areas.
Thanks for the info.
How long do you have to play probation - one a day ? I cannot recall one post of your on that board that was anywhere close to asking for such treatment.
-G- I will prepare a summary and PM it to you.
gharma Share Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:12:30 PM
Re: TONY64 post# 39773 Post # of 39784
Hi Tony - The chamber is too small for that - turn the water on and in no time you are back to heating water up from the ambient (ground) temperature. Besides, increasing that reserve, maybe even applying preparation by some heating, well, that rather kills the tankless aspect.
But you are on to something - as others have noticed, at the new website on the products page under point of use there is no mention of a residential application (except maybe as implied in the use as a booster to geothermal or solar water heating).
http://wanderportcorporation.net/products/point-of-use/
Sorry cant reply on wdrp. All tankless boilers that I work on maintain a minimum temp inside the small holding tank, that's how they are able to give you 90% efficiency. Keeping the fire on low until there is a higher demand, saves energy since there is hardly any energy loss thru the chimney or flue. The setback with high efficiency boilers is that because the run most of the time on low fire you are actually spending more on electricity running the numerous circulating pumps that feed the radiators or zones. Tankless in our trade is usually a unit that holds 5 gallons or less,
Hockmir, can you please sent me, where i can found your calculations?
I really want to examine this with a friend of me who's a physicist... Between christmass and new year we would like to verify...
Kind regards,
Gert
Simple respond to Wdrp not bringing anything new to the table, shoes were invented thousands of years ago, yet Nike was able to become succesful. Just like people heating water since the invention of fire there is room for improvement.
Tony64 -
First, let us get it straight about Nikola Tesla - He did, in fact have engineering experience, having studied electrical engineering at the Austrian Polytechnic in Graz (1875). While there, he studied the uses of alternating current. He went to Marburg where he was first employed as an assistant engineer. He later attended Charles-Ferdinand University in Prague, starting in 1880. On the opening of the telephone exchange in Budapest, 1881, Tesla became the chief electrician to the company, and was later engineer for the country's first telephone system.
And on and on. Saying Tesla had no engineering experience is just plain wrong. It was Edison, who, in fact, was fairly untrained in the field.
Anyhow, I urge you to take the time to understand that in the case of microwave heating of water, there is nothing being presented by Wanderport that in my view represents new physics, or unknown technology. The microwave heating of water has been known and used for at least 50 years (I know this because I personally saw the effect being used commercially in 1964). The laws of physics and conservation of energy have not been abridged to allow any special functionality by this or any other microwave device.
Since the folks on the WDRP board seem to place great store in some patent applications that are claimed to have been filed by the company, lets look at some previous patents issued in the field:
US Patent # 3,778,578 Long , et al. December 11, 1973
US Patent # 3,812,315 Martin May 21, 1974
US Patent # 3,816,689 Long June 11, 1974
US Patent # 3,920,945 Smith , et al. November 18, 1975
Just look at these for a start. They are easy to get to using Google patents, or via the US patent office at USPTO.gov.
Honestly, I have a great deal of experience in the field of microwaves, which is what caused me to look at Wanderport initially. I have not seen anything presented, thus far, which has caused me to want to put one cent of my own money into this venture. Further, I have seen such ignorance and disinformation on the board concerning the "This time its different" effect, that I have tried to point out to folks where they need to look to see why the claims that are being made are probably not going to be fulfilled.
So please, instead of assuming that folks who are trying to inform you about the way the universe you live in works, and why you can't put more energy into water than is supplied by the electrical system, are out to get you for some reason, just take the time to slow down, sit down and understand what is actually being promised, and how it is supposed to work. If it is too complicated for you to understand in a calm analysis, then it is too complicated to put your money into. Never invest in magic you don't understand. Make them prove it to you.
(By the way, if my guys took as long to get a simple prototype up and running as these guys seem to, I would fire the whole lot of them).
The leg is good, walking with a limp still. I took the pictures last week but they have on a 1 post per day so I couldn't post them from my phone. I know physics plays a big role but I am a big fan of new technology. Remer when Tesla first met Edison and told him that he had an Idea to create a ac current motor, Edison said it will never work and that most cities were already wired with dc, so what happened the crazy guy with no engineering experience demostrated that Edison was wrong. I believe Robert is capable of bringing a heater that can match or even beat whatever is out there.
No one is taking into consideration materials used for the heat exchanger, or its shape. Or that water qll be turbulent and not standing still, remember when you are making soup one has to stir the pot for the heat to distribute evenly. Or the fact that a standard water heater is 27 inches wide and the electric elements the bigger they come is 11" long so there is still 16 of water inside a typical tank that gets heated by friction and creates cold spots, Wdrp will direct the microwaves right on the center of the very small heat exchanger, from what I saw the heat exchanger holds about a gallon of water. Math was never my best class but I can I can pretty much reduce any house,s energy bill by rearranging the pipes layout and adding a couple of recirculating pumps that bring the hot water back from the sink to the cold water pipe of the water heater, in this layout there is no waiting for hot water and the heater is not heating up 50 degree water but recycling what it already made.
Dang Tony, as I saw the posts going up with the pics I was starting to think someone held out on us and discovered some pics somehow left on a phone after a trip to Vermont
You know, it is not that they cannot do it, or even save people money overall. It is just that there have been some fairly unreal expectations.
I figure if they bring this to market and it is well done, good construction, good service life, they have a shot at making electric tankless more of a reality (read the reviews of the existing products - they appear to suck!) And there are likely a number of commercial nitch markets. But people should not expect more than is possible.
Cheers (you really had me hoping with those pics at first how's the leg? )
Tony, i had one year physics at university... (did mathematics), but i neither understand their calculations...
Seems logic to me the energy you put in, will be transferred to the water, if other companies with their devices claim they are 99% efficient, why not WDRP?
I don't know anything of thermodynamics and especially not microwaved thermodynamics...
Hoping for the best, but being prepared for the worst...
:o(
Guys those pictures of two water heaters currently in the market one by GE and the other by aosmith. Both are 75 gallons and need 200 amps of electricity, each one of those elements is rated at 4500 watts multiply that by 5 elements in each tank, yeah 25,000 watts roughly, so Wdrp will come out with endless hot water with 6,000 watts and people are screaming that it won't be efficient.
wyo would you please respond to 39679 on the WDRP board for me. I have been banned to 1 post a day.
Tell Beers I expect a 50 deg temp rise at 2.5-3.5 gpm. IMO
Good to see you are still long.
Long WDRP!!!!!!!!!
walker
Earn dont be afraid and say what you need to say here. no need for the pm lil buddy.
Sure, pilotenergy@ gmail.com
Sent you a msg but could only reply to Pilotheating from the past. Could you hit me again with address I can reply to? On the pm side.
Tell me about it. Notice our "Expert in everything poster" He is full of wisdom. He is really smart too, you can tell by the way he types. Can you guess who?
I posted it on the board but got deleted, of course.
Lol @ your pm. That was great.
Yeah I noticed I was trigger happy,lol.still progress even though at a snail pace.
Its a patent application only, Tony.
jmo
Patent approved for the heat exchanger, uh I guess Robert was not lying, oh also let me add the naysayers were claiming the old patent was denied because of lack of innovations, well guess what the new heat exchanger is very innovative.
Nice to wyo and fizzle post on the board, is good to see you guys.
They didn't need to post today since the stock was in a decline, why waste saliva on a down day.
Wow not one comment all day by any of them.
Looks like the magpies have quit chattering on WDRP.
Maybe I will use my one post to get them going again.
Long WDRP!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
One post per day indefinitely almost nothing lol
I hope the ban is not too long... But at least you can post here!
Welcome to the ban club Tony! Are you completely banned or just one post a day?
We just need some real positive news and indisputable efficiency numbers then they will relinquish control of the board.
Still holding WDRP!!
Hey common cents the only thing tingling is my rear pocket with so many pick pockets around here.
Join the club.
Looks like the bashers have control of the board.
Go WDRP!!!!!!!!!
I'm still long and trust in my initial dd (hate to use those 2 letters) and initial investment.
Ha they put me on ban list at Wdrp for calling out the obvious, no regrets on my part
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