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Good idea Rickjc, I will also send him an email, thanks Wucher for the address. I have sent him emails in the past with no answer but to his SIRG address, have a great day...
I'll email this Bejamin. Maybe if he gets enough emails, he'll succumb, lol,
Limited to one post a day for being off-topic. Till tomorrow.
Greetings Stargazer!
A good weekend to you friend:)
Afterthought to my previous post.... if you haven't already found it, I believe this is a good email address for Benjamin; timothy.benjamin@assurant.com
You won't get a response, but at least you can tell him what's on your mind.
Good for you for making the effort! He deserves to hear from the shareholders he has disrespected (and maybe worse). Your experience was a bit different from mine (from a few months ago). The switchboard did put me through to his extension. A few times it did go to voice mail, but on two occasions, I did reach him.
In hindsight, kind of funny. First conversation, he let me do all the talking while he just made noises like he didn't know what I was about. Only after the call, did it dawn on me that I had been played. He had not actually denied anything. Second call I pressed for clear denial or confirmation, at which point he got flustered and hung up.
He does have a function at Assurant, so must interact with people over the phone. I suspect that if you are persistent, you will eventually get through.
May I say that I am impressed and pleased to see a shareholder not taking this crap lying down. Best of luck.
Can't get to him through there. Switchboard op will tell you that he doesn't work there as an employee so his extension is not known but you can get to him through automated menu dialing but doesn't pick up and goes to vm.
Yup exactly nothing changed actually a lot did See the Q dropped
Bet on another RM from another party that will run this to .20 cents lol
TGIF I have 3-4 other plays I'm on
Things were like they are now about this time last year. Just wait it out and see what happens.
ka ser ra ser ra, whatever will be, will be...
Honestly I just play the game I don't write the rules I have a few years experience in hows these things work and just trust my tech/ fundamental analysis
Keep in mind this is the OTC where anything goes
Wrong selling the shell does not get their $14 million back!!!
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Really, you can make that statement, in all Honesty, cause that is pretty heavy and precise?
Yeah, they may not buy at any price. In which case, they'll just try to sell the shell.
Buy buy buy bro will run after the summer and change lives you can't wait that long then we'll I guess just move on il scoop me from ya at .0001:)
Wrong!!! If peeps don't buy down here why would they buy up there??? Just because of R/S??? They won't...
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Gimmick? The pump is done here. Retail isn't buying. Reverse split is the only way to get shares selling again.
Only ones who make money are the toxic lenders who dump into the "gimmick".
No they can't sell without a gimmick you can R/S all you want but can't sell so why R/S? If there is a gimmick we all make money.
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No one finds it odd that this ticker is still being actively monitored, and managed back into position after the 4M dump into the bid? Like someone wants to grab shares, and resume business as usual.
If this thing were so dead, why not just abandon it? And what's with the little tweak at the end of the day yesterday?
This stock is not done. Somebody is still going to want to profit big off of the lengthy smash of the share price.
And if it were the shorts, why are we not at 1's yet? What's the value in propping it up 2 ticks?
No, they do it when retail stops buying. It screws existing shareholders, but gets shares moving again. And without shares moving, toxic lenders won't fund the company.
They only do that when there is something to pump... Right now there is nothing to pump...
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When they need to, they'll do it.
And the toxic lenders will tell them when they need to.
They can't reverse split until they are current. But that has been said many times...
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"who would want to buy in now, at any price!"
The group that tried to run it. They're hoping to delay a reverse split until they can find someone to buy a bunch of their shares. Often referred to in the literature as the "greater fool" theory.
u'll never get ahold of management! even when they were legit and owned 100% of mine, I would call and everytime the secretary would say that they were in a meeting or just leaving for a meeting! And I called then several times. coincidence?, I think not! They dont give dam bout shareholders and why shld they? still, surprised to see 4 Mil plus shares traded today. understand selling, but who would want to buy in now, at any price!?
I'm not a shareholder any more
I'd guess certain people's telephone calls to the office is what caused them to revoke the status of the company
I didn't call I only emailed
The bankruptcy was thrown out by the court. That may have ended the company since no deal obviously came out of it. I wouldn't be surprised that a group holding a lot of shares got the idea to pay to reinstate the company, then pumped it and dumped their shares.
SIRG may not have any management left and good luck proving who ran the scam.
Why not try Benjamin at his day job with Assurant Solutions (Miami region), reachable through the company switchboard ? Will probably try at first to side-step, and then hang-up if pressed firmly on his relationship with SIRG, but at least you can send a message directly to him (if you talk fast).
With a bit of effort you can find business bio sites which link Tim Benjamin to both SIRG and Assurant. Based on his reaction to my calls, I am confident he is our guy.... though (I must add) he neither specifically denied nor confirmed his role in SIRG.
Well we were about 4 mil away from losing the 2's...here come the 1's
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Budnan never picked up the phone ever I tried at different times of day and different days of the week then waited a couple of weeks in case they'd gone on holiday
All I ever ever got was the answerphone
it was all fake s fasade
Yes he did, but not likely NV SoS would go to the trouble of looking at BK docs. They probably confined their search to addresses which they have on file. Neither Budman nor Benjamin are particularly hard to track down.
Good point, didn't Budman put his address on the OROT document and couldn't Nevada Office send the docs to him???
Where are all those guys who claimed they use to talk to Budman? Why haven't they reached out to him?
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been a learning experience for us all Lilac. I feel bad cause i hung on all these years.
done with penny stocks. still there was plenty of excitement, but party's over. Good luck in your future investments. Limited to 1 post per day, but not much to say,
anymore.
I will always look back and say to myself "if only".....
Fair enough. I suppose that is a different point. I just have no interest in speculating why other people do things. Apologies, can't engage and , in any event , would have nothing to offer.
Could be ghosting. Manipulating NV SOS, why not spoof the L2? This outfit is sophisticated.
who seems intent on buying these "worthless" SIRG shares? why the stacked ask, including an order for 98K shares at .0003, which is only $29.40 worth of stock? and why do i get the feeling when someone bid-whacks the 9M++ order at .0002 another one will pop right up in its place?
why the large bids at .0001, including some "10K" sizes that could be masking a lot more shares?
i could go on, but you get my points. it seems "they" want "us" to sell. and why?
oh, and one final thought - after all the incredibly sketchy stuff that's happened here, it makes loading the bottom for another BS bounce seem incredibly risky.
so given that... it makes these buyers look like they're betting on something "real" happening here.
Doesn’t seem so hard to understand.
The proposed deal with OROT was a last minute Hail Mary to save their skins. The bankruptcy application failed and catastrophe ensued. The OROT deal which was entirely premised upon the transfer of the (lost) mine, and which incidentally had nothing to do with a reverse merger, was scuttled.
Of course I understand that some sort of a deal, even today, would probably be better than no deal for the TimBart 2. If only it was in the interest of some rich benefactor to bail the boys out. But as you insightfully point out, self-interest will prevail, and nobody in their right mind will do that.
You and I will have to think up some other points to discuss. I fear we are a bit repetitive.
What is really interesting to me is these are the same exact conversations we shareholders had last year when the bankruptcy was announced, amazing, as Yogi would say its deja vu all over again...
the basic thesis here has always been a simple concept: .50 on the dollar (or more), achieved with a RM, would be much better than .00 per dollar, with a dead shell.
do it right, and maybe medina and other note holders would get $3 per dollar of debt. even more.
if SIRG management were being self-interested with the reorg plan, which obviously took effort to put together, etc., and if it had no bearing on this trading vehicle, what was that all about?
That opens a rather complex discussion. Too complex and mostly off-topic for follow-up on this board, but very interesting nonetheless.
i expect them to be self-interested. nothing more.
At this point, referring to SIRG Management seems just a tad oxymoronic … don’t you think? I don’t know these guys personally, but know enough to conclude that they have no concern whatsoever for SIRG shareholders.
Don’t really care where they stand now. Kind of hope that where they end up standing is in the middle of a big high-fenced exercise yard wearing matching orange jump suits.
(I know, not very likely, but..)
I had hoped that SIRG's failure to make disclosure reports to the SEC would have been sufficient grounds for the regulator to step in. Alas, it is my current understanding that Sierra does not meet the criteria for mandatory reporting. Too bad.
If someone else has a different take on the matter, I would be very interested to hear it.
Also, I have that same question outstanding with SEC information folks.
I'm no lawyer, but I assume saying nothing is safer for them.
that's what isn't adding up here. it seems the OROT reorg plan was real. submitted to a BK court. signed off on, etc.
but every single thing that happened SINCE BK court looks to be fake nonsense P&D crap.
so where does SIRG management stand in all this? imo if the want to avoid getting halted and having feds look up their posteriors with a microscope, maybe they should issue a status report.
how much could that cost?
We can only hope that some justice will prevail. Some checks and balances should be out there to protect people trying to play this game square without an inside track. To bad. Things are becoming entirely way to corrupt these days. Can't even get in line to vote. Even the old lady down the street these days is using a tax haven in Panama. Just wow.
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