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Yeehaw, i'm up to 14th in my first day of playing the MDC. Here I come, ha ha ha
I started to play the MDC today. Watch out for me. I'm going to win and put all the money into the Sega. ha ha ha
SEGA play today.
Used the BET60 to determine it was a great day to play. Won a couple hundred in 2 hours. Very nice!
JR
I played the Sega at bully's last night and lost $500. Sak was there, so was pius. It was very quiet and not much fun.
JR
Watching intently most of the day when I had time. I put a sell in for 11 cents.
Robert
Rob are you watchin VLVT today??? its starting to wake up.
JR
I finally come to the inner sanctuary of professional gambling advice. Well lay it on me, what's the answer 13 black? ha ha ha
Hi Robert how the heck is it going, are you sober yet?
JR
Hello Danrod
okay, here's some tips that will help you win more.
1. Figure out the BET60 number for the race. On your machine that number should work out to between 62 and 72 at any given time. Do not play the machine when the bet 60 is 68 or higher. Play only when the BET60 is less than 68. This will not increase your odds of winning, but will increase the average amount that you win.
2. If you are playing the machine with very few players, watch for the favorite horses to achieve FIVE-IN/FIVE-OUT. This will essentially reduce the races to 5 horse fields for you to wager on and will directly increase your chances of winning. This will not work as well when there are lots of players wagering heavy.
If you follow those 2 systems along with a mechanical system of wagering, you will increase your chances of winning to better than 100%.
Robert
Robert, do you have any information for me about sega royal ascot?
I need some help with this, i can´t win in this game, please, give me, some tips and methods to play the quinellas;
I´ll be waiting your answer, please, send me information as soon as posible.
Thanks!!!
Danrod.
Hi Robert.
Well here in Venezuela the situation is very critical, 90% aprox. of our population are angry with this goverment, we want elections as soon as possible, but Chavez is a son of bitch, he is a roockie dictator, he wants change the country like Cuba, his thoughs sucks, PDVSA (Petroleos de Venezuela - Master company of oil in Venezuela and latin america) and some part of bussines in Venezuela(80%) are in strike against this goverment.
But we can go to the casino and play "Royal Ascot" without problem, yet.
So, i hope you got some information about Royal Ascot to win and get some money.
I´ll be waiting your response....
Thanks you!
Danrod
danrod,
have been hearing lots of news about recent problems in your country. Is everything alright on the island? Hope your well,
Robert
Let my think about it for a bit danrod. Any of the methods that I would use will only get you $5/hr on average, but with a high wager limit of 50 there might be some other options.
I've got to write it down and take a look at it on paper.
I'll get back to you tomorrow on it.
Thanks for the info so far.
Robert
Robert, 5 Us$/hour are a very small amount, the cost of living is much more expensive here.
So, have you some kind of tricks to win, or method, or some tecnics to beat this machine............
Hmmm, that might make it a slow way to make a few $$$$$ with a maximum wager of roughly $5 USD.
On north american machines the wagering cap is most commonly set at 20 credits. On a machine like yours it should be fairly reasonable to assume a postive cash flow of possibly 30 to 50 credits per hour. Now in the US and Canada, that is 30 to 50 dollars an hour, which is great for playing a game. In Venezuela, that would only work out to be $3 - $5 per hour which doesn't seem that good, but I guess it depends alot upon the cost of living.
DanRod, if a person won $5 USD per hour, would that seem like a very small amount or is the cost of living there much less expensive than up here?
Robert
Hi Robert.
The payout porcentage is 90%.
One credit is 1/10 US$, and the max credit is 50 units.
I hope that with this information you can help me to win with the quinellas wager.
I wait your answer.
Regards.
DanRod.
It is a fairly inexpensive trip actually. I believe comparable to the price of going to Cuba or the Dominican. If I wasn't so poor these days,lol.
Robert
Hi Robert, should we just take a trip there? LOL
signed,
Bernard
That is a great machine. Your average odds are much higher than the majority of the sega machines.
Do you happen to know what the payout percentage is set at? The tech or gaming guy in the casino can tell you, it is likely somewhere between 90-93%.
Also, what sort of currency do you use in it? How much is 1 credit worth in US$ or C$?
Robert
Hi Robert,
Here there are, ten races results from Sega Royal Ascot 1991,
Race #.----- Odds ----- Result------Payout Quinella
632 ---(9-3-5-4-4-23)-- 2-4 -----------7
633 ---(4-6-4-14-4-6)-- 3-5 ---------- 8
634 ---(4-5-3-10-6-17)--6-5 -----------49
635 ---(3-18-3-28-7-5)--1-3 -----------4
636 ---(22-4-2-44-7-7)--3-5 -----------5
637 ---(3-4-5-35-70-3)--2-1 -----------6
638 ---(3-5-79-7-4-6)-- 2-1 -----------8
639 --(24-2-6-16-48-3)--2-6 -----------2
640 ---(8-6-6-3-11-5)-- 4-5 -----------15
641 ---(31-5-3-3-6-62)--2-4 ---------- 7
Danrod, did you get my last message? Can you please post some of the race odds for me?
Robert
Hi Danrod,
my method will help you win on the WIN wagers, but will also be a useful indicator for the Quinella wagers.
Have you recorded any race odds that you can post here?
For example: (3,4,5,15,30,12) (2,3,21,42,3,7) etc.
I have only found one of the old machines still in use and it was also in south america. If you have one on Margarita Isle, I'd be there on vacation,lol.
Robert
Hi Robert.
In effect the version of the Sega Royal Ascot Horse Racing than i play is 1991 (i saw it on the screen).i want to know something if your method to win is with the quiniellas or with the winner horse(the first place)
ok.i wait your answer.
regards.
With BET^) you were able to guarantee wins and profit with the old chip. With the new chips the BET60 can onl elp you determine if the machine has taken in more or less than its preset percentage. Example. A machine that is set at 90%, when having paid out 91% will want to consume more money to get back to its setpoint. It will be very bad to play and have very bad numbers. Lots of 2 and 3 dollar horses in every race. Longshots can still occur, but they will pay less than they would when the machine has only paid out 89%. When it has only paid 89%, it needs to give away some money and will adjust the horses odds until it gets back to the setpoint amount. At this point you will see races with no horses lower than 4 to 1 odds. The longshot horses will all pay over 60. This the most profitable time to play it. Hope that helps you a bit.
Robert
Thanks Robert, it's too bad... but I think with BET60, you're saying you won't lose much, right? Might even win more if you're lucky.
signed,
Bernard
Hi Bernard,
no Casino Montreal is the new chip. I played there almost 2 years ago and they ahd already changed it then. If you use the BET60 method though you can tell how good the playing is though.
Figure out how many credits you would need to wager on each of the 6 horses to win to return you a 60 credits win. Add up those 6 amounts for a total. The closer that number is to 60 the better the average payout will be. If the 6 wagers combined total over 70, you are playing against the maximum house advantage possible. Anytime it is under 70 it is much much better.
Have a great time there.
Robert
Hi Robert, I know the Casino Montreal has that Royal Ascot game... and I'm now in Montreal for a two week vacation... see if we can get lucky and get that version 1 game.
signed,
Bernard
Danrod, can you verify the numbers on your sega for me. On the large video monitor it will say 1991. But on the individual betting monitors in the lower right corner of the screen what does it say? Watch the lower part of the screen and as the new races appear there are some copyright numbers. Check and see what numbers are shown there.
Robert
I have one that is made by a swedish guy that hasn't hit the market yet, he is still dealing on it, but it uses flash and is really s slick looking game. It incorporates odds, comments, and realtime chat between players. It has more potential but he hasn't struck a deal yet as far as I know.
Then there is the failed game of Racingo, the virtual game Trackside, unreal racing, digiturf, raceclubs, raceday, horseracing deluxe, stablemasters, arcade derby, to name a few,lol. You can gamble or make money on a few of those, a couple are just for fun. There are about a dozen other horseracing games out there that are just PC playable, but there is nothing preventing them from becoming networked gambling games. It would be a small step in their development.
Robert
Thanks Robert, what are the other horse racing games or websites that you like?
signed,
Bernard
The first flaw I found was a method to wager upon the race, then after receiving the race results, I could 'restore' my account to the pre-race status.
By using this I was able to take my initial account of 4000 credits and build it up. As it is a pooled game it relies upon other losing wagers to build the pool, I created other losing accounts, placed their money into selected pools, then went and retreived those pooled amounts with my primary account. Once I had a balance of over 100,000 I focused upon the Jackpot pick6 prize. It took me several times to get it and probably a total of 2 million in wagers to win the 8 million pool.
I'll send you the detail on the second flaw via PM, as I don't believe that it has been addressed by sungold and corrected, and until they contact me to resolve it I will not share it on public forums.
Robert
The gaming technicians who service the machine as well as one casino staff member will always have a key to the hatch. They usually don't open it unless it is to turn the machine on or off, or to reset the game if there is a problem. If you are friendly with them they will usually let you know or else you have to sneak peak when they open it.
I have only located 1 of the old chip machines in the entire world, and I have tracked over 40 Sega machines so far. It is a long long way from Canada so I haven't made the trip yet. I heard there was one in Minnesota but went there in November and found out it was not true.
Yes, basically to win you bet on all the horses, you just adjust the wager amount so that they all work out to return a profit. The magic number is 60. If you wager on each horse so that if it wins it returns you 60 credits, you have the basic BET60 technique. With the old chip machines that wager would cost you 50-59credits with a guaranteed win of 60. So the return is 1-10 dollars per race, but that is if you play only 1 sega terminal. If you play 2 adacent machines, you can take out 2 to 20 dollars per race. With races every 1.5 minutes it used to average out to be about $200 in an hour. Once you have taken out enough money that the machine has now reached its preset payout amount of 90%, the numbers will change noticalby and the BET60 system will not work.
This system can still be used to analyse the play on the second generation chip Sega machines, but not to beat it.
Robert May
It's no fun to play HORSEPOWER(TM) 2 though, there is no winning history of the horses, you just blindly bet on the numbers...
What's the flaw that you've found later?
and how did you find out the first flaw?
TIA.
signed,
Bernard
Is it "legal" to open the access hatch? I assume not, but you can use the odds on screen to determine what action should you take, right?
What's the betting style once you located the "flaw", go straight win on all horses or straight quinella on all combinations? TIA... just interested to know the most efficient strategy to win, even if such a machine doesn't exist anymore.
signed,
Bernard
Yes, there are a few different SEGA games in various casinos. I haven't tried the others as I have never been a card player, but I would imagine that they do utilize the very same programming and possibly have never been hit using the same system. Let me know if you have any luck there.
My local machine is set at 90%. Lots of others are set at 92% or as high as 92.7% That is the highest I have found. The only way to get access to that information is to open the access hatch on the lower back corner of the Sega and read it off the monitor there. The total $ in and total $ out is also displayed. As is the payout % and actual paid %.
My machine rarely moves 1-2 points off of the 90% before correcting itself. The farther away it gets it seems, the bigger the correction. That can be very good.
As for the horsepower game, Sungold had to delay the launch while they tried to figure out what happened. It was Easter long weekend and they called me asking a million questions. I helped them rectify the flaw and they flew me to Toronto to the Queen's Plate that year and footed my bill. I even traded the stock and made a little coin that year. As a footnote, I found another flaw in the horsepower game less than a year later, I'm not sure if that one is fixed or not. They were not very responsive to me pointing it out,lol.
taking things apart and breaking them is an old childhood habit,lol.
Robert May
Thanks for the explaination, Robert, I have never thought of how their payout system might work... I just thought it's a random number generator. So I guess the solution is to bet on all the horses when the machine is displaying higher odds on the same six horses? Do you bet on straight wins or straight quinella? How did you come up with the 89% number?
It's very interesting, I might actually use the theory to test drive the Black Jack system of Sega, as I already know the perfect way to gain equal odds to the dealer in real Black Jack. Assume Sega's sytem used the same chipset in their early machines (around 1991, I assume), then we can conduct studies to win the system based on the Royal Escot observations.
signed,
Bernard
Hi Robert, so you mean there is a flaw in HORSEPOWER(TM) 2 as well? If so, SGGNF should have filed lawsuit against you? LOL
signed,
Bernard
Check this press release out Bernard from about a year and a half ago. Read half way down and you will s one of my wonderful accomplishments since beating the sega and moving on to different games.
http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/f_headline.cgi?bw.041801/211080194&ticker=SGGNF
"HORSEPOWER(TM) 2 PLAYER WINS 8.8 MILLION CREDIT JACKPOT
Congratulations to Robert W. May for playing Horsepower(TM) 2 and winning the 8.8 million credit Pick Six Horsepower(TM) 2 Jackpot. Although Robert W. May's 8.8 million will be hard to beat by April 30th, this weekend lucky players won as much as 300,000 credits on the Pick 4 and 900,000 credits on the Pick 5."
Robert May
OOOps, to summarize why it can not be played like a paper trade it is because when there is no money wagered the machine simply choses a result based upon the random number geration inside.
When there is money wagered, that money and the payout percentage then enters into the equation and alters the result. For example, you will observe far more longshot results when nobody is playing than you will when the machine is being played.
Some players realize this when they consistently pick 14 of the 15 quinella betting choices and the one they omit comes in. Its not luck or fluke, it is the way the machine acheives its goal of getting to 90%. That is its only motivation.
Robert
Hi bernard,
A big problem with electronic gaming is that you cannot papertrade it. The results when you are playing paper wagers will not be the same as the results when you are using real cash, simply because when there is real cash in the machine the payout is actually mathematically calculated based upon the amount of dollars wagered that turn, the past payout ratio or percentage, and a random number genreator.
Basically, the machine is like a big slot machine. It needs to pay out a fixed percent, eg. 90%. If it has payed out more than 90%, even 90.01% it alters its results so that it is in a money collecting mode. It will remain in this moneycollecting mode until it reached its preset percentage. On the SEGA this is very evidient in the race odds presented on the screen. When the machine is over 90% you will see races with numbers such as: (6 horses odds: 2,3,4,10,12,24) That does not mean that the high odds horses do not have the exact same randomly determined opportunity of finishing, jsut that the payout if they do finish is dramaticaly different than it would be if the game were in a paying mode.
In a paying mode, that exact same race with the exacsame horses would display odds such as: (6 horses odds: 3,4,5,12,16,36). So each of the horses true chances of finishing is exactly the same, but the payouts have slid higher. This only happens when the machine has paid out less than its preset amount, ie. 89%.
So playing the machine only when it has consumed enough money for the odds to slide makes mathematical sense. Why play when the house advantage has increased? Play only when it has decreased. The flaw in the first chip was simply that when the game needed to pay out credits to players because it had consumed too much money (over 90%) there was no limit put on the payout percentage. So it was possible that when machine slid the numbers higher to payout because it had only paid out say 88%, the game would actually return greater than 100% trying to get its average back up to the 90% mark. This is a gamblers dream. It ceased to be gambling when you could wager and guarantee a 100% or better return every race.
The best simple example I give people is to think about wagering on the roll of a dice. If I told you that I would pay you 7-1 if you could tell me what number I was going to roll on a 6 sided dice, there is a simple strategy for beating the house. Bet all options. You eliminate all risk and guarantee profit. Combine that with basic gambling strategies and the machines could be taken for about $200 an hour.
I could go on and on, but I'll leave more for another post.
Robert May
Just wondering, so what's the "flaw" in the first model chip? Should I PM you? I'm interested to know how would you use the minimum amount of money to study any computerized gambling system... much like paper trading in the stock market.
signed,
Bernard
No sega for me today. I have a christmas party to go to. Unless of course that is truly boring and I get out of there early. :) My machine still isn't back to imporved odds yet so I may try to steer clear until Saturday night. I'll continue to post my play action here as I continue to receive email from interested players.
I recommend every one of you reading this sign up for an IHUB account and do your best to learn how to gamble not only on the sega but in the stock market. It is a very similar entity and can be just as good a friend to the player if it is done in moderation and according to mechanical systems. There are some very talented people posting on these boards and I learn more every week as I read and study and make money. What more could you ask for?
Robert
Hi Bernard,
There are actually 3 different models of the SEGA royal ascot machine that were produced, but all seem to have come from the factory with the same chip. The machines with the old chip display on the video monitor that shows the animated race, a copyright date of 1991. The second generation chip shows 1991, 1996. I have been unable to find a flaw of hole in the new chip after almost 18 months of work. The old machine was just like sitting at a broken bank machine, I hit it hard for almost 2 years.
However, like the stock market, it is so easy to get into the habit of 'gambling' instead of following a mechanical system, and that is where most of us seem to screw up. If I could use the same methodology and restraint in investing as I do in gambling, I'd be filthy rich,lol.
Robert
How do I know if that machine is the 1st generation chipset?
signed,
Bernard
I happened to play that horse racing machine a couple years ago for the whole night, only cost me $20... better than playing arcade.
Now you got me interested... I'm such a gambler... ggg
So what kind of Sega machines have you played yesterday night and tonight?
signed,
Bernard
As the first post to the board, I thought I would just give you a quick breakdown of my recent playing of SEGA.
Lastnight I played a Sega machine that I normally avoid, for just over 1 hour, played a little over 200 dollars and walked out with about $800. Net profit of $600 minus the $25 I spent on beverages,lol.
Tonight I played my favorite Sega machine, started with $25 bucks and took it to $250 in 15 minutes. The numbers were crap so I cashed out and will stay away from that machine until approximately Saturday.
No Sega for 3 days. I'll have to trade some stock instead.
Robert
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