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Yep, same here. I still haven't seen an SEC filing either. I guess all we can do it wait and see. I was hoping JT might have some more insight.
I totally agree with you. This is more extreme than just running under the radar. It's like rigged for silent running.
My shares were cancelled but I have no reported loss to claim on taxes. I can't trade the shares. I have been stuck in Never-Neverland with no apparent recourse. There is no PR.
I have not seen one quite like this, ever!
Oh yes, I am still here. There is still something strange about this one.
Anyone still holding out hope? This board will probably go dead soon.
A class action would be a civil suit and, as such, would not be permitted as the court order signed by Judge Walsh voided all claims against ROHIQ, as I understand the law. The only exception I can see would be something in the sealed documents that stipulates otherwise, not a likely outcome.
The choice for Obus would be to convince an Attorney General to go after management or the Board for criminal fraud, if it could be proven. Rotech's headquarters in Orlando would make Pam Biondi a sound to choice to pursue this matter. She is not know for Spitzer-like pursuit of corporate malfeasance, but she is like a pitbull in taking on bad guys. She is also... pardon my sexist lapse... dropdead gorgeous to go along with her impeccable legal credentials.
The reason I think this is possible, or even probable, is that there is lots of potential for way more damage recovery if some of the big money houses like Barclays and Goldman-Sachs can get linked into a broader conspiracy than Rotech as a standalone defendant. It's a longshot, at best, but at least some hope remains, even if it is just a scorched earth payback and a few Rotechies go to Club Fed to play bingo and make license plates for a few years.
Well, maybe in the end Wynnefield will step up to the plate and lead a Class Action. Lots of those being filed right now and going on in the world. And it seems like there might be some material here to work with.
I think it would have been more fair for the judge to link value to a post reorg market cap being above the debt that was discharged flowing into equity for the origional equity holders(us here). I have seen this done in some cases and with a true ambiguity of the value of a company this large, that seems like it would have been more fair then just making a decision that would impact shareholders giving them zero. Either way, who knows what is going to happen on this one. But I will admit it is not looking very good the way it is going at this point.
It is entirely possible that Rotech has quietly been taken private to avoid scrutiny of post-emergence financials that could expose fraudulent or other activity by which all equity in the company has been awarded to lienholders which include member(s) of the Board of Directors. If so, Rotech will not relist for awhile to "fuzz" over the S/P upswing that could draw dangerous attention to the rape and pillage of ROHIQ shareholders that got screwed in a scam just South of the Madoff Line.
Can you imagine the outcry if Rotech relisted a week after cancelling shares as worthless and suddenly they pop up on OTC or Nasdaq at a S/P of $14 or more? There is a reason that the Chief Legal Officer departed... There also is NO reason in my mind why the common stock had to be cancelled since 10 1/2% notes in today's market can easily be refinanced at a less usurious INT rate. Remember, again, though that Board members held some of these overly lucrative 2nd tier notes so maybe multiple layers of self-interest benefitted by stealing your shares?
JMHO!
I know I have said this several times, but I still don't see any SEC filings.
When will Rotech issue new shares under new ss? Hmmm?
Tbanks yank but no one was long...
Right back at u Big Yank Look forward to the next one. Have the upmost respect for the way you handle things and your DD is outstanding. Hope to reach the inner circle of DD KINGS one day LOL ROHIQ OUT
Hey, it was a fun ride and a small loss that always had a huge, unlikely upside. Movin' on with no hard feelings towards anyone.
GLTA!
Might want to check out a Q survivor.
RNCH came out of BK with almost $2 million in cash, no debt. Just announced a 1-2 well drilling prospect. Selling at less than cash, 119 million shares o/s. Just a thought for you gamblers.
Thank You for the clarification Big Yank... It was a fun Q play but the fat lady wont be singing IRS Ded against realised gains LOL
I hear ya, joey! Sorry for the outcome.
Sucks, don't it?
All common shares were cancelled yesterday, 10/16. Shareholders should expect a letter stating that the court-approved bankruptcy included cancelling shareholder equity.
Im sure we will find out somthing good or bad in the near future !!! GLTA Hope fat lady sings $$
same here...it just vanished not even showing it as loss. ticker/cusip gone, but no where to be found LOL
WTF?
My Cusip is MIA on E Trade and I checked realized gains and losses. It just vanished LOL ???
My Cusip is MIA on E Trade and I checked realized gains and losses. It just vanished LOL ???
I hope that you are right. However, there have been instances where "limbo" dragged on for years and all the assets escaped while the common shareholders got left holding an empty bag. investor2004 would surely recall the Arcadia Healthcare mess which continues to churn over a year after all operations ceased.
Unlike ROHIQ, though, KADR shares continue to trade and investors can at least sell and take a tax loss.
We may be in limbo right now, but I'm sure there will be a conclusion.
How long do you think it will take to get to the finish line?
Holders of common shares are now being held hostage in a bizarre stock purgatory where they cannot sell their shares and at least take a tax credit on the loss, nor has Rotech properly cancelled shares as the alternative method of accessing an investment tax loss. For investors filing quarterly estimated gains & losses, this can be an expensive problem and is totally unfair and, perhaps, represents the basest possible example of breach of fiduciary responsibility by the Board of Directors in a debt for equity swap that wipes out common shareholders equity and even denies them access to a tax loss offset, as small as that is.
Disgraceful.
YARD SALE, Asstene and wWwides marketing selling, infighting, wasting money and searching for publishers to print their stories. With an attached resume for each bearded women on Linked-in, they're all looking for old lady glass ceiling futures but the board decided all over-paid and useless Wemonwannaabe's are gone 12/31.
In english please?
I have tried but can't seem to convince you but days later proven. Asset count down to toilet paper is being conducted. Can you say WHITE SALE. Hold on to your balls boys it's gonna be a bumpy ride. Winners will ride the stag to the finish line. Look to nationals with $. It's a all or nothing and no one holding position cares they win either way.
Hey, the intrigue, spirited discussion and massive and occasionally conflicting DD performed by posters on this board makes the experience worthwhile, win/lose/draw. That said, where's my dime per share. LOL.
GLTA.
J.T., be well!
People should make their investment choices on their own, but I do enjoy hearing other opinions because I'm not all that familiar with these situations.
So RIGHT AGAIN, JT! Take responsibility for YOUR investment choices, people. It's called living in the real world. If you can't deal with losses as well as wins, you shouldn't be in this business of pennyland investing.
You win some, and you lose some here. BTW, this ROHIQ game isn't over yet. Let's wait for the fat lady to sing before we start thinking about crying in our beer.
GLTA!!!
Yank is right as usual. Don't waste your time. If something comes up, believe me I'll see it & let you all know.
I'm constantly searching throughout the day looking for something, anything. An article, statement or filing but so far nothing.
The website is up http://www.rotech.com/ but www.rotechsfuture.com is on a redirect now.
I called & was able to get past the machine & the operator. They took my information, a detailed record of my concerns & told me a lawyer would get back to me. Yeah right.
Still waiting,....I'm thinking the return phone call will probably coincide with the $.10 per share gift check that's in the mail. Lmao!
Don't waste your time. I tried calling. You get an automated operator that refers you to the restructuring website unless you are a creditor trying to file a claim under Medicare or a government program.
Nobody's home at the moment. Pretty strange for a newly emergent public company to go underground with lots of U.S. Government $$$ and a new corporate strategy borrowed from Dr. Hook & the Medicine Show: "Don't Call Us, We'll Call You."
Maybe ROHIQ's management team is now part of the Witness Protection Program and Alsene has changed his name to Mr. Magoo or Pepe LePew or something similarly stupid and arcane like everything else with this scam BK? If so, it will not have been to protect the innocent.
is it only me that can't access to rotech.com?
from late Sep i can't access to their websites
weird... i was going to call them and ask them straight up about rotech shares, but i don't think any of IR people would know the answer...
mine finally turned into a cusip number as well
Agreed. I think a clue might have been the law teams jumping ship for alleged "Ethical violations" lol! One thing for sure is this continues to be the most active soap opera of pinky land.
Things were looking a little dismal last week, OK, OK,....a lot dismal but I'm seeing a great deal of hope now. Our shares will trade again but what happens after that is anyone's guess.
I'm guessing somewhere between $.0001-$14. This is either going to be one of my greatest wins, or biggest losses because I'm holding a buttload of shares. :-p
J.T., I think there is an interesting, ancillary issue in this "Never-Neverland" with Rotech common. The shares have been delisted, but not cancelled. Shareholders cannot trade, nor can they take a tax loss credit for their cancellation. Yet, Alsene came out with a statement that the BK was approved, right on schedule, exactly as management and the board expected. So... this being said... why is there no definitive position for common shareholders who are still in limbo with no PR, no filings and an investment in unacceotable limbo.
There are, IMO, SEC violations galore in this mess that some enterprising Attorney General may find sufficiently improper as to send a few Rotechies to Club Fed for an extended visit without privileges or Room Service.
I have shares in:
Interactive Brokers
Etrade
TradeKing
MSSB
IB & TK disappeared for a couple of days but Etrade updated to indicate a last trade of $.035 for 2-3 days then went back to $.0068.
The ticker symbols are now all replaced with CUSIP's & will become tradable again once symbols are assigned. I understand part of the delay might be Rotech is still deciding what exchange to trade on.
It doesn't hurt to dream so could you imagine if both tickers ended up on AMEX or NYSE? Just keep praying because anything is possible & none of us have any idea the true disposition.
The only facts are the shares still exist & NOTHING has been filed with the SEC, therefore nothing has officially happened besides a ticker symbol deletion/change.
I trade with Schwab and just checked my account... my shares are still there but not under ROHIQ but a cusip number. All trading action on ROHIQ ceased on 9/26 and the shares are not tradable.
Exactly. What you saw happen in 2002 we should see happen here again. Rotech's parent company was trading under one ticker in chapter 7 with a fifth letter Q added.
Once Rotech bought Rotech, from "Interim health?" Rotech got a new symbol with a fifth letter "V". Then later on the "V" dropped off. ROHIV-ROHI
Shortly we should see two brand new symbols. One with a Q to designate old shares & one with a V to designate the new shares.
I expect to see a Fourth of July type reaction when this happens. There's no telling what the market will do with these YoYo's pulling the strings with these shares. Remember they hold almost, if not all of the new shares.
I enjoy your DD JT... Makes total sence to me and look forward to validation in the near futere GLTA and Best regards
I'm very confidant we are going to be trading again under a new symbol very soon.
The more I DD this the more cancellation of ALL common classes of shares makes not a little, but NO SENSE.
For example, I dare someone name just one creditor that's getting stiffed besides shareholders under this pre-arranged chapter 11 & its alledged "Cancellation of all common shares".
If we are to believe ALL classes of shares are cancelled the only people that get stiffed are Class 7 (Maybe 10 of us) and who owns like 90% of "Class 7"? INSIDERS!
I'm sorry but someone will need to come up with more proof than a sound byte calling this a loser, when its only an brief intermission which can only be confirmed if/when an SEC form 25 is filed.
I was almost thinking of sweating when the ticker was deleted, with the thought I would now have 28 wins & 1 loss for 2013. Now that I'm able to DD again I do not feel we have anything to worry about.
Regardless, we can't buy or sell so its the waiting game checking the DTCC for a new symbol daily.
What do you think is going to happen to our shares?TIA
Thank you. This ticker has tested my DDing skills to the max. I freely admit its beyond my scope of knowledge so all I can do is dig, read & form scenarios that try to make sense.
The cancellation of shares is reserved for a company that's emerging from a situation to where they couldn't pay their bills. That's not the case with Rotech.
Rotech makes approximately $113 million per year but the long term debt was eating their lunch at $50 million per year debt service & after a decade+ was going nowhere. That debt is now gone.
From where I'm sitting its hard for me to make sense a company that is now profitable to close to $100M a year. With a $68M VA contract with almost $400M in the bank with exit financing could explain to a judge how they need to rip off shareholders for a measly $2.6 M as well.
Then taking into consideration Alsene is fairly new. Therefore his shares, he most likely paid for. I tracked the CFO last Oct PAYING $.70 & the rest of the float is owned by insiders, so why would they vote to extinguish the shares they do not need to extinguish, that they PAID for?
If it doesn't make sense its not the truth.
This management team is a real piece of work. They hide good news in filings, or twist good news to sound bad & at the same time waste no time releasing bad PR after bad PR whist Insiders were sitting at the bid buying the cheapies.
This is a haunted house of mirrors that no one knows how its going to end until there is an SEC filing stating what's happening. Everything else is BS.
GLTA
The CLO's departure involved a court approved separation deal and was filed as a docket item, as we discussed several days ago on this board. No further question remains except for the always unstated reasons for her departure and my parenthetical observation that she didn't leave with any kind of fat deal except a used Audi and a laptop... whoop-de-doo!
I have no doubt that an Alsene stooge is tracking what people are saying. Who wants to have an extended stay at Club Fed?
The ROHIV symbol was initially listed in 2002. I think that it is unrelated to forward activity, if any is transpiring.
Wish I could trust but CLO gone post was questioned requesting proof. You need more I can provide, tell me how I can benefit. 1.) HR, Rotech's over staffed, over paid, hired pro IT to search and follow all posts everywhere its's so Snowden but a waste of $. I like your's and sad guy's posts who's giving up. You seem to be the smartest and so many other just follow.
I think I may be able to help solve some of this mystery. I admit I'm no lawyer. In fact I don't even know any lawyers that can tell me what's really going on. It takes a specialized, big corporate, bankruptcy attorney to understand this mess.
It took me awhile to find information & a situation like this & it appears to me the shares have NOT been cancelled (Yet). The ticker has been deleted & we are waiting on a new ticker for the new shares with a 5th letter "V", and a new ticker for the old shares with a 5th letter "Q".
Here are some facts about Rotech & allegedly canceling all classes of shares but take note NO ONE KNOWS WHICH OF THE 115 Chapter 11 plans SPECIFICALLY REFERS TO CLASS 7 EQUITY HOLDERS! That's VERY important.
What I LOVE seeing is the part where.... yeah shares are cancelled but whatever the 2nd tier note holders get, WE GET pro-rata!
It's far from over. In fact the beginning of the end hasn't even been formally announced and I'm not sure it's gonna be.
Look at it this way. The CFO reached into his pocket last year and bought 70,000 shares at $.70 so do you think he is all for screwing himself? 24M of 26M shares are insider owned so cancelling makes zero sense.
It's somewhat unusual to cancel shares under these circumstances. Chapter 7 its a given, but notsomuch in a prearrianged Chapter 11 when there are hundreds of millions of dollars flowing in and out.
It looks to me like we are in some sort of limbo because I'm still showing shares in my accounts, no SEC filings have been made with all with regards to anything & I'm not so sure they can just say "Gooodbye" without formal warning & proper channels.
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