PyroGenesis Canada Inc (PYRGF)

[Windbag1014]

Thank you Stingray.

As I recall, I first bought in in 2018. I came across it as a potential material producer for 3d printing. I liked the other revenue producers that made what seemed to be enough to stay afloat until the irons in the fire were ready to be worked. It floundered for a bit. I panic sold at the beginning of 2021 when it had the big jump and covid was taking hold. I bought a little in May. Still underwater there but am confident we will see higher prices. I think I am going to put some more here soon. Like you say, they seem to be on the verge of some big breakthroughs.

[Stingray]

They are growing. Currently in-process of an acquisition of a small company. And they recently added additional manufacturing space...a 'green' bias for sure.

https://www.globenewswire.com/en/news-release/2021/04/27/2217578/0/en/PyroGenesis-Signs-Binding-Letter-of-Intent-to-Acquire-AirScience-Technologies-Inc-for-4-8MM.html

Headcount continues to grow. From their website:

"How many employees does PyroGenesis have?
As of June 8, 2021, we employed a total of 74 employees."

Here's a good summary of their work. They seem to be on the verge of some big breakthroughs...hopefully some contracts will be signed soon...

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4431340-pyrogenesis-canada-stock-pyr-fires-up-its-business-pipeline

[Windbag1014]

I count about 45 people in the about us photo on their website (probably a few years old and not inclusive). Do you know if that number has been consistent? What is the most recent headcount? Is the number going up? I found the page below when searching # of employees at PYR. They are reporting 71. Does that seem right to you?

Sorry for all the questions. No big deal if you don't have the answers. I mostly am curious if their headcount is growing with everything else. And if so, are they hiring for expected growth?
Thanks

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/PYR/pyrogenesis-canada/number-of-employees

[Stingray]

New and old job postings!!

https://www.pyrogenesis.com/careers/

[Stingray]

Check out their recent progress report. Very nice summary of their four categories of plasma innovation...impressive.

https://www.pyrogenesis.com/annual-web-report/

Still can't believe the price is this low. The impatient are gone while the investors know it's heading much higher. Might not be this month or next...but seems inevitable.

[Twotone]

Looks like the interest in our under the radar, no debt, successful company is picking up today.

[Twotone]

I think another thing that keeps it down is we don't have any institutional ownership yet. I feel pretty confident that that will change in the not too distant future.

[Stingray]

Yeah, really surprised to see it trading at this level. No debt, profitable and lots of potential...I think the next PR that confirms any contracts will send it much higher...

[UprightAcorn]

Really hoping this bounces back up soon. Not fun watching this trickle back down to where we started ??

[Stingray]

Nice charts....I go with green arrow assuming it captures and holds above 8. Company seems to have a lot going for it. Waiting for some real contract announcements vs LOIs and RFQs....

[nowwhat2]

2 weeks later....

2 weeks later....

[Stingray]

Well, this is either the most elaborate scam in history, or it's legit and the share price is going much higher...Plasma

Plasma Torches (iron ore, mining)
Plasma Trash Furnace (clean and green)
High end metal powders for 3D printing

Green biased, no debt and now profitable. Warrants have all been exercised.

Oh, did I mention the recent short attack...

Anxious to see some more signed contracts...but PYR has all the ingredients to be a spectacular long term hold.

Company has been around for a lot of years, has many patents and much plasma know how.

They have also recently added management staff...not expecting prices to hang around in the single digits too much longer...time will tell

Cheers!

[nowwhat2]

https://ceo.ca/@nasdaq/pyrogenesis-announces-request-for-cost-estimate-from

https://ceo.ca/pyr

[Twotone]

Either somebody knows something, or shorty's getting burned. Wow.

[Twotone]

Check this out!

PyroGenesis Announces $700,000 Grant from SDTC to Develop a Pilot System to Transform Quartz into Fumed Silica with HPQ Silicon Resources
PRESS RELEASE GlobeNewswire
May. 27, 2021, 11:45 AM
MONTREAL, May 27, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (https://pyrogenesis.com) (TSX: PYR) (NASDAQ: PYR) (FRA: 8PY), a high-tech company (hereinafter referred to as the “Company” or “PyroGenesis”) that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes plasma atomized metal powders, environmentally-friendly plasma waste-to-energy systems and plasma torch products, is pleased to announce that PyroGenesis received a $700,000 grant from Sustainable Development Technology Canada (“SDTC”) for a novel production process to transform quartz into fumed silica using a plasma reactor, thereby reducing hazardous waste and greenhouse gas (“GHG”) emissions in comparison to the established fumed silica production process. This project is in partnership with HPQ Silicon Resources (“HPQ”), provider of innovative, cost-effective and low carbon emission silicon-based solutions. The proposed start date for SDTC funding is June 2021, subject to execution of the project funding agreement with SDTC.

For this project, PyroGenesis and HPQ will collaborate on the design, fabrication and operation of a novel pilot system to demonstrate the production of fumed silica, an inert and non-hazardous substance, using a plasma reactor. Fumed silica is used as a thickening agent in a wide range of applications, such as paints, cosmetics, coatings, inks and resins. The companies will (i) build and test a pilot system to investigate if continuous production of fumed silica by plasma is feasible, (ii) produce bulk samples of high-quality fumed silica for property evaluation, and (iii) use pilot data as the basis for a techno-economic feasibility study, where this new technology will be compared to the existing commercial process. The project will be conducted over a 2-year period, starting in June 2021.

“Fumed silica has unique physical properties which make it a useful and versatile commodity, including high surface area and low bulk density,” said Mr. Pierre Carabin, CTO and Chief Strategist “The established process for making this product is flame hydrolysis, a lengthy, expensive, and wasteful multistep process requiring transportation of the materials between multiple locations. With this project, PyroGenesis and HPQ will propose an alternative solution which would eliminate the toxic by-products of the conventional process and reduce GHG emissions by about 90%. If successful, it will be a game-changer for the industry.”

“We wish to thank SDTC for their continued support of Canadian entrepreneurs in general, and our project specifically,” added Mr. Pierre Carabin. “One cannot overstate the impact SDTC support has towards the commercialization of our novel production process to transform quartz into fumed silica using a plasma reactor. Their credibility alone speaks volumes as they are a very discerning valued partner. We are also working with HPQ Silicon Resources on this project, and we look forward to ultimately delivering, as the PyroGenesis/SDTC/HPQ team. the environmental solution to an issue that has been plaguing the industry for years.”

“Sustainable Development Technology Canada is incredibly proud to support PyroGenesis’ innovative plasma technology which helps reduce harmful toxins from entering our environment. By investing in companies, like PyroGenesis we can bring lasting economic, environmental and health benefits to Canadians and the world” said Leah Lawrence, President and CEO of Sustainable Development Technology Canada.

About SDTC

Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC) helps Canadian companies develop and deploy competitive, clean technology solutions, to help solve some of the world’s most pressing environmental challenges: climate change, clean air, clean water and clean soil. By taking a cross-Canada approach, from seed to scale, and in partnership with the best peers and experts, SDTC is the global benchmark for sustainable development innovation programming.

About HPQ Silicon Resources

HPQ Silicon Resources Inc. (TSX-V: HPQ) is a Quebec-based innovative silicon solutions company that offers innovative silica (SiO2), silicon (Si) based solutions and is developing a unique portfolio of high value-added silicon (Si) products sought after by battery and electric vehicle manufacturers.

Silicon (Si), also known as silicon metal, is one of today’s key strategic materials needed for the decarbonization of the economy and the Renewable Energy Revolution (“RER”). However, silicon does not exist in its pure state and must be extracted from quartz (SiO2) in what has historically been a capital and energy-intensive process.

[Stingray]

New website for Additive Manufacturing (metal powder)
https://pyrogenesisadditive.com/

Pyrogenesis is one of my few long term investments...the recent rout has been discouraging...but these shares will trade much higher than they are now...

Also, news today...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pyrogenesis-announces-successful-completion-additive-171500819.html

PyroGenesis Announces Successful Completion of Additive Manufacturing NexGen™ Powder Test Runs; Commercial Powder Production Begins

[Stingray]

A little long winded...but worth listening to (regarding short report)

[Twotone]

Wow Windbag, looks like Peter's gonna find you and tie you to the lawsuit tree and whip your behind.

[Stingray]

PyroGenesis Comments on Today's Market Activity Statement from the CEO
3:14 pm ET April 28, 2021 (Globe Newswire) Print
PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (http://pyrogenesis.com) (TSX: PYR) (NASDAQ: PYR) (FRA: 8PY), a high-tech company, (hereinafter referred to as the "Company" or "PyroGenesis"), a Company that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes plasma atomized metal powder, environmentally friendly plasma waste-to-energy systems and clean plasma torch products, issues this press release in response to significant inquiries from shareholders which have been addressed by the following statement from P. Peter Pascali, CEO and Chair of PyroGenesis:

"Our stock has reacted this morning to a report that seems to be a short seller attack on the Company, and was in no way affiliated with PyroGenesis, its management, or Board. At no time did the authors of the report contact PyroGenesis despite their contention that they did.

The report is replete with additional false and intentionally misleading statements, innuendoes, inaccuracies, outright distortions and lies, all of which appears to an attempt to generate panic selling. Regretfully, some investors may have made decisions based on these falsehoods.

We do not take this report lightly and we will take all legal action to hold those accountable for their actions. At PyroGenesis, we stand for freedom of opinions, but draw the line when lies are used for manipulation, no matter what side of the market one may be playing.

I wish to reassure all interested parties that as a person who controls between approximately 48%-52% of the PyroGenesis stock, I am totally committed to every aspect of this business, and further confirm that we at all times operate legally and, more importantly, morally.

At PyroGenesis, we are committed to building real value with real clients who are leaders in their respective industries, and we have successfully demonstrated this over many years. We do not believe that time spent addressing specific rantings by manipulators who have hidden agendas is a good use of Company's time. However, we will note that we stand by all our disclosures.

Last but not least, on the topic of standing by all disclosures, I ask readers to put today's report in its proper perspective. The report is faceless. No author. No address. No telephone numbers. No email. No access. On the other hand, PyroGenesis has been audited every year by reputable firms (KPMG has audited our accounts every year since 2015) who have had full access to all information, and we count the US NAVY, plus a host of other billion-dollar market leaders, as long-term clients/partners who have done their own due diligence and audits of the Company.

We thank you all for your understanding and support. Rest assured that the Company is stronger today than yesterday, stronger yesterday than the week before, stronger the week before than the month before that, and stronger the month before than the year before that. In my opinion we have never been better positioned to execute on all our strategies."

[Buckey]

Raises some interesting questions. I am long

[Windbag1014]

https://marinerresearchgroup.com/2021/04/28/pyr-a-family-affair-rife-with-conflicts-roundtrip-revenues-and-plenty-of-unfulfilled-promises-pt-0-74/

Not sure who they are but this seems to be the reason for the down day.
I do know that they short after articles like the linked one.

[Windbag1014]

https://www.pyrogenesis.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2021-04-27-PyroGenesis-Signs-Binding-Letter-of-Intent-to-Acquire-AirSciences-Technologies-Inc-for-4.8MM.pdf

PyroGenesis Signs Binding Letter of Intent to Acquire AirScience
Technologies Inc. for $4.8MM
Enters Renewable Natural Gas Marketplace
Expands GHG Reduction Portfolio

[Twotone]

Reassurance from the CEO.

PyroGenesis Comments on Today’s Trading Activity; All Projects on Track
12:29 PM ET, 04/16/2021 - GlobeNewswire
MONTREAL, April 16, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (http://pyrogenesis.com) (TSX: PYR) (NASDAQ: PYR) (FRA: 8PY), a high-tech company, (hereinafter referred to as the “Company” or “PyroGenesis”), a Company that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes plasma atomized metal powder, environmentally friendly plasma waste-to-energy systems and clean plasma torch products, issues this press release in response to today’s trading activity, and the sudden decline in its stock price. The Company wishes to reassure investors that all projects are all on track and that there are no undisclosed events to warrant the recent decline.

The Company prefers not to opine on stock price and trading activity, however, given the recent decline, and inquiries from investors, the Company confirms the following:

Everything material has been disclosed by the Company in either its press releases or financial reports. PyroGenesis further confirms that none of the contracts previously disclosed are at risk. Last, but not least, the Company wishes to reassure PyroGenesis’ investors that the Company remains on track with current and prospective projects.

“We just want to take the time to reassure investors that the recent decline in stock price cannot be explained by any undisclosed events taking place within the Company,” said Mr. P. Peter Pascali, CEO and Chair of PyroGenesis. “Although we rarely speak to our pipeline, I feel it appropriate to make an exception under the current circumstances. If we are conservative and define the pipeline as being those contracts where we are either in final discussion as the sole supplier, or in a leadership position in a competitive bid, and if we further narrow the definition by looking only at contracts that are expected to be signed within 6 months, then the pipeline is in excess of $65 million. Most of that pipeline would be expected to be completed within 18 months after signature. As such, the Board is of the opinion that the Company continues to strengthen its position and has never been better placed.”

About PyroGenesis Canada Inc.

[Stingray]

Warrants expired today....would expect some support here, followed by higher prices...

[Stingray]

Probably only a couple more weeks till things start to heat up...hopefully the big market remains healthy...
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PyroGenesis Appoints European Investor & Corporate Relations Advisor
7:45 am ET April 1, 2021 (Globe Newswire) Print
PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (TSX: PYR) (NASDAQ: PYR) (FRA: 8PY) (the "Company" or "PyroGenesis"), a high-tech Company that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes plasma atomized metal powder, environmentally friendly plasma waste-to-energy systems and clean plasma torch products, has appointed DGWA, the German Institute for Asset and Equity Allocation and Valuation ("Deutsche Gesellschaft fuÌ?r Wertpapieranalyse GmbH", "DGWA"), a German investment banking boutique, as its Investor and Corporate Relations advisor in Europe, effective as April 1, 2021 for a period of twelve (12) months.

In consideration of the services to be provided, the Company has agreed to pay DGWA a monthly retainer fee payable on the 15 business day (Germany) of each month. The Company may terminate the Agreement with DGWA, at any time, upon presentation of a forty-five (45) days' notice. DGWA does not have any interest, directly or indirectly, in the Company or its securities, or any right or intent to acquire such an interest.

DGWA's management team has a 25-year track record in trading, investing, and analyzing SMEs around the world. Based in Frankfurt and Berlin, Germany, the company has been involved in more than 250 IPOs, financings, bond issues, dual listings, and corporate finance transactions as well as road shows and awareness campaigns.

PyroGenesis has appointed DGWA to help increase awareness of PyroGenesis' proprietary advanced plasma technology both within the European financial community as well as with the industry.

"We are delighted to be working with DGWA to increase our visibility within the European financial markets, and also raise awareness of our product offerings amongst potential clients in Europe," said Mr. P. Peter Pascali, CEO and Chair of PyroGenesis. "Our sales growth and momentum in backlog, which should drive near-term profitability, paired with our commitment to green manufacturing while helping mining and metallurgical companies meet their carbon-neutrality goals, matches the expectations of sustainability conscious European investors and stakeholders."

"We are excited to introduce the PyroGenesis investment opportunity and product offerings to European shareholders and industry players alike.", adds Mr. Stefan Muller, CEO of DGWA. "The commitment of the company to sustainable development, paired with the booming demand in high-quality, stock exchange listed 3D printing companies are in the favour of growth driven retail as well as institutional investors in Europe."

[Stingray]

Funny, I'm in the same boat...lol Scalping for entertainment I guess...PYR for the long term... ;~)

[Buckey]

PYR by far the longest I ever owned an equity. I am a trader mostly - short term day or or 1-5 day positions.

Maybe II should of just dumped everything in PYR when I first bought and saved myself all that work trying to scalp trades

[Stingray]

I just read thru the entire report....looks great! Share price should only go higher from here. One thing holding it back a little till mid April is the warrants being exercised.

It was nice that was accelerated so it will be over soon...


The Warrants will now expire at 5:00 p.m. (Toronto time) on April 14, 2021 (the “New Expiry Date”). Warrants that have not been exercised prior to the New Expiry Date will expire unexercised and will automatically be void and of no effect whatsoever.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pyrogenesis-announces-acceleration-warrant-expiry-211500107.html

[Buckey]

Financials just released. They look pretty good I Think. I mean huge increase in revenues and net profit and clean solid balance sheet. I know its old boring stuff and isnt an exciting new NFT worth nothing being launched or whatever other foolishness has been driving the volatile stocks lately.

THis was a 40 cent stock 18 months ago

Full NR is much longer

yroGenesis Announces 2020 Results: Revenues $17.8MM; Net Earnings and Comprehensive Income $41.8MM Gross Margin 58%; Current Backlog $30MM; Basic EPS $0.28

MONTREAL, March 31, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (http://pyrogenesis.com) (TSX: PYR) (NASDAQ: PYR) (FRA:8PY), a high-tech company, (the "Company", the “Corporation” or "PyroGenesis") that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes plasma atomized metal powder, environmentally friendly plasma waste-to-energy systems and clean plasma torch products, is pleased to announce today its financial and operational results for the fourth quarter and fiscal year ended December 31st, 2020.

“We are happy to announce Q4, and fiscal year end, results for the period ending December 31st, 2020, which continue the historical trends began earlier in the year. Our full year revenues of $18MM reflects the successful processing of backlog from signed contracts previously disclosed. The Board’s choice of strategy has been validated with the reporting of the second profitable quarter in a row. Further validating this strategy, net income from operations (before share-based expenses) was $3.3MM for the year which is quite significant given the uncertain environment that 2020 was, and during which the Company not only retired virtually all of its debt, but also uplisted to the Toronto Stock Exchange and positioned itself for a NASDAQ listing in Q1 2021,” said Mr. P. Peter Pascali, CEO and Chair of PyroGenesis. “The successes of 2020, when combined with the results from our strategic investment, have contributed to a basic EPS of $0.16 for the quarter, and $0.28 for the year, both of which have exceeded previous guidance. With a strong balance sheet and approx. $27MM of cash-on-hand as at this writing, the Company is well positioned to execute on its strategy of growth and solidify its position as an emerging leader in the reduction of greenhouse gas emissions, and as such, we expect these trends established in 2020 to continue.”

2020 results reflect the following highlights:

Revenues of $17,775,029, an increase of 269% over $4,813,978 posted in the prior year,
Net earnings and comprehensive income of $41,768,404 an increase of $50,939,521 over 2019,
Net earnings and comprehensive income from operations (before share-based expenses) of $2.9MM during fiscal year 2020 vs ($7.9MM) posted over the same period in 2019,
Gross margin of 58%, an increase of 21% year over year,
Cash and cash equivalents at December 31, 2020 of $18,104,899 (December 31, 2019: $34,431),
Backlog of signed contracts of $30MM,
Basic Earnings per Share (EPS) of $0.28 for 2020 as compared to ($0.07) in 2019,
Total Assets at December 31, 2020 of $74.5MM (December 31, 2019: $9.6MM),
Shareholders’ Equity at December 31, 2020 of $59.4MM (December 31, 2019: ($6.1MM)).

[Stingray]

Nice charts as always!! It is very dependent on the broader market at this point...could be more news at any time...sales, deals etc....

Oil took a beating today too...but oil isn't gonna get much cheaper...is it?

[nowwhat2]

That seems significant.


Chart-wise tho ?....Let's have a look....



One month later



Just wondering if that could prove sig.



Could be reliant on broad mkts ?

Aprox. / Actual = a little bit lower

[Stingray]

Only the beginning...

PyroGenesis Receives $194 K Grant to Develop a Waste Recovery Process by Plasma Gasification That Will Significantly Contribute to Landfill and Climate Change Control Efforts

finance.yahoo.com

[Flanker100]

Over on agoracom, they are going to have a Q&A session with Peter Pascali next Tuesday. Get your questions in now!

[Stingray]

Saw that...Nice! Will probably take a few days to get some traction....looks like they are presenting on the 23

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pyrogenesis-present-q1-virtual-investor-125000604.html

And, it looks like they are getting another patent...

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pyrogenesis-announces-european-patent-office-134600033.html

[Renee]

PYRNF changed to PYR. Moved to the Nasdaq from the OTC:

https://otce.finra.org/otce/dailyList?viewType=Deletions

[rgend]

PyroGenesis Canada Confirms Receipt Of Depository Trust Company, Nasdaq Approval For Listing
1:07 pm ET March 10, 2021 (Benzinga) Print

PyroGenesis Canada Inc. (http://pyrogenesis.com) (TSX:PYR) (OTCQB:PYRNF) (FRA: 8PY), (the "Company", the “Corporation” or "PyroGenesis") a Company that designs, develops, manufactures and commercializes plasma atomized metal powder, plasma waste-to-energy systems and plasma torch products, is pleased to confirm today that, in response to additional inquiries with respect to the subject matter and further to its Press Release dated February 18th, 2021, its common shares (the “Shares”) are now eligible for electronic clearing and settlement through the Depository Trust Company (“DTC”) in the United States, and the Company’s application to list its Shares on the NASDAQ Capital Market (“NASDAQ”) has been approved.

As previously announced, the Securities and Exchange Commission (“SEC”) approved PyroGenesis’ Shares for listing in the United States, and that the last outstanding item before final NASDAQ acceptance was to obtain DTC eligibility.

DTC is a subsidiary of the Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation, a U.S. company that manages the electronic clearing and settlement of publicly traded companies. Securities that are eligible to be electronically cleared and settled through DTC are considered to be “DTC eligible”. DTC eligibility is required in order to create a seamless electronic process of trading and thereby enhance liquidity of the Company's Shares.

PyroGenesis will maintain the listing of its Shares on the TSX, and will trade on both exchanges under the ticker symbol “PYR”.

© 2021 Benzinga.com. Benzinga does not provide investment advice. All rights reserved.

[Twotone]

I've been buying on the MM's manipulated dips and so far that has worked out.
It's still amazing to me the value of this company is still under the radar.
We'll see if the NASDAQ Listing changes that.

[Twotone]

Same play book. Naked short it 3 or 4 times to beef up the volume.

[nowwhat2]

Why you just aren't familiar with what things to look for....
Hence, everything's MYSTERIOUS to you

What you're needing is for someone to just TOTALLY teach you.....even the very BASICS

Whereas I don't have TIME for all of that


Instead, I encourage you to do some dd (on what TA is)


Admittedly tho I am fortunate however in that decades ago I once stumbled upon a small pamphlet which explained the basics of TA extremely clearly


Unfortunately nowadays finding something like that, is probably much harder to find







Anyways (in summary)

A) You disregard how much TIME and EFFORT it takes to do this and

B) You disregard how CAPRICIOUS and RAPIDLY EVOLVING markets can be

C) You disregard how I'll often include Odds Arrows




What you're needing is for every single minute to be spelled out (analyzed and published) !

Which of course is just pure nonsense



PYRNF last 6.83 - Down .36 or 5.4 %

No wait....

It just shot up to $7 U.S. (to almost $9 in charts above)
(in response to crucial juncture - ie ruler-line)


May need to adjust the size of those arrows




What's the S&P been doing (during this lengthy composition) ???

[Twotone]

It's as though the mm's said,"How dare the CEO put out a news letter trying to comfort the share holders." And proceeded to drive the stock down.

[Windbag1014]

Probably but I doubt it.

[Stingray]

Well, he actually says a lot...but remains neutral with opinions/advice...good entertainment nonetheless...

[Windbag1014]

For someone that posts with great vigor, he seems to say nothing and everything is a question. Great way to never be wrong. "Is it going to go up or down"? The answer is always yes. Snake oil is still a commodity.

[nowwhat2]

I think so !

[Stingray]

US...are you Canadian?

[nowwhat2]

Hey, so are U talkin' U.S. or Canadian there ?

[Stingray]

You are indeed the king of charts and annotations!

[nowwhat2]

[Stingray]

Everything gets dragged down when market sells off...looking to buy back in the 5-6 range

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pyrogenesis-comments-today-trading-activity-183000226.html

[nowwhat2]

Wow.....So it's imminent then eh ?.....Interesting !



Sounds like you "jumped ship" just in time (to avoid today)






Damn I wish we weren't using PYRNF


Can't wonderfully combine the Bigcharts and IHUB charts