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Keith,
"Documenting Voltaire's posts here is good, IMO, because it goes to credibility"
Documenting V's posts is good but it looks like we can only do it if it's not in a negative way. Look at the three rules that Dealer just added to the original post of this thread and read between the lines.
Best of luck to you.
LOL Keith - everything you said - all I can
add is "yup!"
Enjoy your weekend.
rose
May I ask why you refuse to share your SI identity?
Not sharing causes one to conclude one of several things....the worst of which is there is a specific reason you wont give us your SI identity...and that is, if people knew, maybe you would't be taken seriosuly, because of who you are on SI....but bottom line is...you could be bonnie, poet, rose, me ( I swear on a bible it aint me <ggg>), bob, john, susan, or daffy duck......and it doesnr mean a thing, because you are hiding behind a wall of anonymity, and leads one to believe there must be a specific reason you wont give your SI identity......heck maybe you are bonnie, or rose or poet or desusa or heck...maybe your even multi skitso chicken lips JW himself...the point is...fess up to who you are, or at least explain why you wont....
Keith
<<PS/Correction: I think that 'RedmondVA' should post as he/she chooses.
Documenting Voltaire's posts here is good, IMO, because it goes to credibility.
I don't mean at all to say that I 'will take the high road' -- seen that little manipulative ploy 'way too many times -- and it's funny -- those who do the most lying always 'get by with it.'
Frankly, Keith, you're very naive, IMO.>>
First of all Bonnie....it's a free country.....I never said Redmond should not do what he is doing....I thought the question was a matter of how it was being done. Your right, we all should be held accountable for our actions...I agree wholeheartedly....but I 110% disagree with being disrespectful and mocking and taunting and etc.......No matter what anybody thinks, two wrongs do not make a right. Just because you were mocked or tauted, doesn't mean it is correct to do it back....as I said, it is the bigger person that walks away, or acts in a mature manner while the other does his thing. I still stand by " treat thy neighbor as you wish to be treated"...if your neighbor treats you like $hit, then simply ignore him or don't associate with him.
I have nothing against accountability....I just think the bashing, taunting and mocking is ridiculous, uncalled for and has zero positive cosequences. If calling attention to V's mis-calls, or bob's mis-calls or anybodies, certainly it can be done, but why can't it be done out of attack mode? What good will be accomplished with you guys and porchers bashing each other back and forth? Nothing....If bringing to light others actions, market calls or etc is what you wish to do, then by all means, go for it....I just disgaree it should be done in a bashing manner...because all that will cause is retaliation, until somebody is the bigger person and just stops with it.
As far as redmond goes....my beef with him/her is he/she is obviously somebody from SI that has a beef with V. No problem...hey, lots of folks love the guy and lots hate the guy....but coming on here to the hub, with a different identity then at SI and then to bash somebody without disclosing who you are...well, that just doesnt seem right to me......Heck, I have no problem with folks here at the hub knowing who I am...you dont...poet doesnt.....rose doesnt (although, one of you could be redmond...not saying you are, but you could be...thats my whole point)....so the simple reason this person wont say who he or she is leads me to believe suspect certain things.......And remember bonnie...it was you or pet or somebody that talked to me about experiences they had on other sites where folks anonymoulsy bashed you and etc, etc, etc......you didnt like it...didnt think it was fair or whatever.....my whole point is yes, by all means, this is a free country and if you wish to point out a persons actions, then so be it...it could even be a good thing your doing it, but not if your doing it in a bashful manner. By the way, when I say you, I am speaking in general terms...you meaning anybody.
As far as me being naive.....well, you sure are entitled to your opinion, but I am not as naive as you think...heck, you were smart enough to find out my true identity ( not that I try to hide it at all obviously)......do a search on me....find out some history about me......you will see I have been featured in several large, prominent, financial journals...no, not talking about little tidbits in wall street journal, although they did do a feature article on me at one point awhile back...anyway, not bragging by any means, and in fact, you never hear me even mentiong this to all those on the porch that think I am some idiot nobody...why? Because I have nothing to prove to anybody...but I am mentioning it now, just so maybe you may find out a little more about me and see I am not quite as naive as you may think. In fact, if the porchers knew who i really was, and did a little research on me, they also might be quite surprsied...after all, they all think I am some whinny little kid that only likes to be negative all the time.....if they only knew!!!!
Have a good day
Keith
Wow....who ever woulda thunk it<ggg>...jdsu fixing to hit the teens...sunw under twenty and etc, etc, etc.......Luckily I bought some more jdsu at 117 before a addition to s&p...coverd it immeditaley, got a nice fat premium, which expired worthless, then immediatley sold for a nice profit as well....but I held my other shares, and still do, and still will<ggg>....In fact, I really dont mind watching jdsu fall....the thought of adding some gives me the warm fuzzies...the thought of adding some at even cheaper prices, gives me even warmer fuzzies...same with alot of my quality stocks...give me a chance to buy quality at $10 and I'll be all over it......The bubble burst....we may never see prices like that again for along time, but it doesnt mean we can't still take advantage of this.....we may have further to fall...and it could last awhile, who knows....the longer it lasts, the longer we have to aquire quality at low prices and build a nice little long term hod basket.....so, I am trying to stay positive....one day we recover....if it's soon, I'll be happy...if it's not, I wont be thrilled, but I will look at the posotives and the positives are simply having more time to buy cheaper stocks.......just look at all the quality that is beaten down....heck, if your thinking long term, I think TODAYS prices are fantastic and ten years from now you will be higher more then likely...maybe even next year...but I would hope by 5 - 10 years we are higher ( keeping fingers crossedn as I type<ggg>...BUT, just think, we have a better then 50% chance that we go lower and get even better prices. AllensAlias, who seems to be a pretty smart fellow with no agnenda ( see, I like bulls and bears.....it's the individual that counts )thinks we should stay open to the possibility that this takes years to dig out from under....well, if so.....I may not like it, and I may not be buying any fancy new cars or houses for awhile, but I know my wifes 401k will be better...the longer the market is down, the more she will be buying every week at low and lower prices....and for me and my portfolio/trading...well, if we stay down for years....looks like I'll be buying lots and lots of jdsu, sunw and other quality companies, so when the market does turn upward, be it one year or ten years, I will have a boatload of stock to go up. As it is now...lets say we turn around by january...I will not have nearly as much stock at low prices as I would like...BUT, if we stay down for 2 - 5 years, I'll have a truckload of quality by then.....heck, I have held jdsu all the way down to $20 or so.....what the hell is another $10 or $15 at this point...same with most all the stocks I own....so, I am going to try and stay positive and be happy no matter what the market does....worse case scenario is we just flatline......not up or down. I wont get any real low ball discounts and current holdings will just sit and not appreciate...so either up or down, and I'll make the best of it.
Good luck
Keith
Ha...yea, that was a pretty funny post....one thing about donnie....I think he's a real good guy....He can dish it out, but he also can take it.....and he loves dishing it out AND taking it <lol>
Have a good one
Good luck Keith.
PS/Correction: I think that 'RedmondVA' should post as he/she chooses.
Documenting Voltaire's posts here is good, IMO, because it goes to credibility.
I don't mean at all to say that I 'will take the high road' -- seen that little manipulative ploy 'way too many times -- and it's funny -- those who do the most lying always 'get by with it.'
Frankly, Keith, you're very naive, IMO.
I say to 'RedmondVA' ... LOL ... and go for it.
Exposing the character of these self-appointed icons is what it's all about.
I feel will survive and prosper in the long term
I feel that way too Keith, especially with my JDSU.
Good luck.
rose
Rose -- oh, no ... I'm sorry. At least you got out @ 22, though.
Me? Follow anythign down? LOL. In a word, yes.
This is a guess without actually going back to count up .... about a year ago, I had positions in 25-30 stocks. Most tech (all the big ones -- SUNW, MSFT, CSCO, INTC, WCOM, etc) with a few DJIA. Plus four mutual funds.
Today, I am in three stocks -- GE -- and it ain't a very big position at all. QQQ -- again, rather small position. And 200 sh of some 'old' DIS.
I hold puts on SEBL.
And the rest is cash.
I sold most of those 'way late ... many I was able to cop profit, but nothing like, of course, what I could have made (kept <g>) had I had the sense to sell last year this time.
I suppose I plan to reinvest 50% again ... when the market turns. Up, like. <g> I don't mind missing the bottom at all ... so I'm sure I will.
HAve a good weekend, Rosie et al ...
bia
I held most of my stuff as well thru the downturn...even bought more on all these supposed bottoms...uh, duh.....but at this point, I wont sell sunw for $18, jdsu low 20's and etc....I held for this long, I will continue and when I feel the time is right I will add to my quality issues I feel will survive and prosper in the long term
best,
keith
C'mon Bonnie......be the bigger person here....we all know that two wrongs don't make a right....we also know, it is the bigger person that can simply walk away from this bashing, then to keep contributing to it....be the bigger person. I think it may have been poet ....or somebody else that said they agreed with what redmond was doing AS LONG AS HE DOES IT POLITELY.
I agree, but that is not what is happening.....I will be the first to admitt when I am wrong or anybody is wrong...including Voltaire....and I wont hld back what I feel....but I honestly do try to say whatever I am saying, to wjomever I am saying it too, with respect. We all had bad calls this past year........no reason why we can't discuss our failures, but I dont see why they can't be discussed in a mature manner. I see no reason for folks to fight back and forth, putting each other down and etc, etc....what do we gain from this...is it constructive? And it doesnt matter who started it....the japanese started it by bombing pearl harbor...and millions of japanese died becaue we retaliated. Do you think Japan would do things differently knowing what they know now? Would the US? I think they both would, after the fact, realize that nothing good came out of it...it would have been better to dicuss things and work them out. I see nothing wrong with discussing anybodies stock picks, right or wrong, I see alot wrong with all this infighting and bashing going on...it gets nobody nowhere...eventually, somebody has to be the biger person and put and end to this...who is that person(s) going to be.
Respectfully...and not targeted at you...just points for all to ponder......
Keith
Julie....good luck....looks like we are long the same stocks...although I did sell my cmgi at $3.50 ( had about .50 cost basis due to trading in and out ) and bought more icge....building a nice position with icge as she stays down and will keep buying if the markets take her down to the pennies. I feel, IMO, that icge is doing all the right things to eventually survive and prosper...they have good solid companies under their belt...plenty of cash....solid alliances and a plan they are working towards which looks very good to me....cmgi, much more of a crapshoot as they rely moreso on ad revenue and taking their .nothings to ipo........cmgi has some ok companies, and some not so ok companies...icge, imo, has more legitamate businesses under their belt which are moving towards profitabilty on their own...dont rely as much on ad revenue or ipo's, althoug taking any of their companies public when the market turns for the better, will be icing on the cake.....
good luck
Keith
<<Hi Keith,
Will you agree that the man has a serious problem, and I am not joking about this.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=15501083
R>>
I will agree that WE ALL have problems....and I will also agree that I will not converse with you unless you tell me your SI identity.....I dont like playing games......there must be a reason why you wont disclose your SI identity....I can understand not wanting to reveal your real name...but not saying who you are on SI leads me to believe you have something to hide and.or a specific agenda, of which I have no idea what it is. So, fess up...or post to someone else please....no hard feelings here...just like to know who I am talking to, or would rather not talk. Heck, you may be somebody I like and get along with on SI, but your failure to disclose your si identity leads me to believe otherwise.
keith
Im at the bar <g> Love bars!!!!!!
Ya want to????? I'm game <g>
Jack, we've gotta stop meeting this way.
Why don't we just hang out at "the Bar"?
rose
Why don't we start our own thread and call it
"The Dim-Witts Mutual Admiration Society".
Dollars to donuts it would be the most popular site
going!
We are not alone
rose
ROFLMAO!!!!!! I have followed every one of my stocks down LOL Talk about dim witted <g> So now Im gonna just hang onto all my junk and wait ten years and then check to see if any of them are still afloat ROFL Glad to hear I'm not the only fool around <g> Luf, Julie
Hi Julie
Nice to hear from you again.
You can find some of us over at Polvie's Bar.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=36873
That's were he and Clappy (when he's not on
holidays mainly hang out. I was tossed off
the porch so 'iffen I gots' anything to say,
I generally say it at the "Bar", but it's
pretty much nonsense anyway.
I hope you've managed to hold it all together
during this nasty downturn.
rose
Shit Bonnie, I own (owned) RMBS too. (g)
Not much, mind you, but and I sold it
today at $22.00. Not nice to poke fun at
the dim-witted (no offense Julie, I'm referring
to myself.)
And I've followed down it for the past year,
along with JDSU, NT, etcetera, etcetera.
(I knew I shouldn't have watched "The King
and I" again)
Do you not have anything that you've
followed down? If not, you are a better man
than I, gunga din (g).
rosie
Why? Haven't you followed its demise for the past year?
Not nice Bonnie :) I own Rambus <g> jULIE
RMBS closed at a frickin' 15 bucks. LMAO.
So, if we do the Friday 'Top 10 Idiot List' thing here, guess who would be Number One not only for the week, but sort of like, for LIFE?
hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahaha
bia
###
Red, in case there's a prize for being the
worst stock picker last year, here's my
contribution:
NT
Today 17
A year ago 120
AVNX
Today 16
A year ago 182
52 week high 262
EXTR
Today 19
A year ago 53
52 week high 129
ADAP
Today 1.47
A year ago 88
52 week high 98
GSTRF
Today 56 cents
A year ago 17.56
52 week high 19.50
What are your greatest picks?
heh heh heh, Redmond VA ...
Geez ... this reminds me of my 'early years' in Cyberspace investing msg board life during which I ran a "Top 10 Idiot List."
Usually on Fridays.
Sometimes, time permitting, I accompanied each winner with a brief, one-graph description of their specific 'qualifications' based on their posted info about themselves.
<g>
I'm thinking this might be a very good place to re-establish such a fun and entertaining regular 'feature.'
What say you?
TIA,
bia
Hi Redmond,
Yes, the Porch basket's performance, like the performance of all high Beta stocks this past year, has been dismal.
I've been keeping a vigil on Silicon Investor, on the original Voltaire's Porch, now renamed "The Critical Investing Thread", for months now. Here's the thread:
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/subject.gsp?subjectid=29324
Because of this, I'm not going to say more about Voltaire here. I do think that you are making some very valid points and as long as you do them politely, I support what you're doing here.
Take care.
Real Poet, this explains a lot:
Voltaire's Porch Basket of Stocks
CSCO
Today 20
A year ago 68
GMST
Today 38
A year ago 89
INTC
Today 38
A year ago 58
JDSU
Today 23
A year ago 133
NTAP
Today 19
A year ago 103
QCOM
Today 50
A year ago 127
SEBL
Today 27
A year ago 81
BRCM
Today 34
A year ago 240
CREE
Today 15
A year ago 91
ELON
Today 17
A year ago 83
ITWO
Today 18
A year ago 90
PMCS
Today 32
A year ago 241
RMBS
Today 21
A year ago 88
RNWK
CLOSE 5 5/16
A year ago 69
SNDK
CLOSE 20
A year ago 153
WIND
Today 24
A year ago 50
"It's called a compulsion, and could probably be cured by a competent psychologist."
That was inaccurate, Frank, not to mention a cheap shot, which used to be beneath you. What a shame.
uf,
Sorry, no can do. My angels won`t let me. LMAO
Go back to the porch <g> Voltaire is looking for someone to sue <GGG> I guess this would be my candidate LOL someone has to be to blame for voltaire's RMBS calls.... I want to sue too <GGG> after all i willingly walked ito the same shitster voltaire did <GG> We got to have someone to blame... why not Redmond???? hehehe i was a member of SI for six months... I didn't post alot I just read because Im a novice investor.... but I learned alot... one thing I learned is where do these people come from who have nothing but negativity???? Life is too shortr for that..... im not a member of SI anymore..... I stupidly gave my lifetime membership to my vrother who doesn't even go online... that's what I get for not reading the WHOLE email..... I got cut off.... Now Im not sure I want to be there but hate like hell to lose the input of these people.... I can hear you coughing Redmond <g> they are a great bunch of peeps.... too bad that Yahoo and Raging bull had to sep over to SI Where the hell are all the porchers??????? I want a porch to hide under... My email address is smokie@tir.com.... Let me know where you are all hanging out... Im not gonna invest another dime in SI if you all aren't gonna be there respectfully, Julie :)
2 against one isn't fair, Julie, even if he is meaner than us <gg>.
uf
Uncle Frank???? Can I join you??? I was alurker big time on SI and learned alot from all you guys.... I can't say I listened alot... I'm the buy and hold till yer broke type <g> but I respected everyone's opinion... I just don't get this guy,,,, Is he jealous cuz we all like voltaire??? How sad that he can't come on a thread and be civil... I enjoy your post muchly... thank you so much and I would step out into the parking lot anytime to <cough> cyberarily duke it out with him..... the way I look at it he just insults... nothing to say worthwhile but backbite... not a porch candidate by any means... where are polvie and clappy when we need them???? Respectfully, smokiee aka Julie
>> I wish I could lay off Mr. Ego but I really can't.
It's called a compulsion, and could probably be cured by a competent psychologist.
I'm not looking to start a fight here, since I try to respect the charter of others' forums. How about we step out into the Parking Lot and discuss it?
http://www.investorshub.com/beta/read_msg.asp?message_id=60082
uf
Yeah the houses are manipulating me too.... My portfolio has dwindled to zip.... but I don't blame voltaire... He is just a nice man on a wonderful thread... Let's try to play nice OK???? good luck to you too.... btw what you have your money invested in, in this shitty market??? Mine is AOL... RMBS...QCOM...ATML... CMGI.... taken a bath on them all but AOL Julie
Geez, Redmond..... why don't you lay off of Voltaire.. He is a very nice man and doesn't deserve your harrassment. Can't you possibly find something more constructive to do with your time????? Respectfully, smokiee
Wrong, wrong, wrong:
From: Voltaire
Wednesday, Mar 14, 2001 9:54 AM
"that is basically what we will see here. Dow down NAZ recovers"
From: Voltaire
Tuesday, Mar 13, 2001 5:52 PM
"Hard for it to go much lower with the Time Capsule we are in heading toward fed cut.
From: Voltaire
Tuesday, Mar 13, 2001 5:44 PM
"hanging on with my RMBS and NEWP."
From: Voltaire
Friday, Mar 9, 2001 7:55 PM
"It sure as hell will be closer to 5000 than 2000."
Someone should face the TRUTH (if his ego allows him to):
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=15503706
Hi Keith,
Will you agree that the man has a serious problem, and I am not joking about this.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=15501083
R
The man is such a class-act and quite the gentleman. He's definitely someone to respect and follow.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=15470828
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=15478445
Wrong!
From: Voltaire
Wednesday, Mar 7, 2001 1:01 PM
Scott,
don't ask me why but feel YHOOO news will be positive.
Wrong again!
From: Voltaire
Thursday, Mar 8, 2001 8:34 AM
Now that the Houses are back in control, we should see them try and hold the markets back from a frenzied move but will be forced to let the markets move up today and tomorrow
Hi Matt, Sorry but not much time on my hands right now. I don't "pick" on Voltaire. I just want to challenge his opinion and make him accountable for what he says. As you now one can not do this on SI (you get banned if you do). Here you can...although some of my posts misteriously disappeared.
I have recently found out from Dealer that Voltaire provides advice as an entertaiment feature only! I just wish someone would tell him because I KNOW that's not what he thinks. Someone needs to bring him back to Earth...and that's angeless Earth.
Matt, I'm not doing this to laugh at V or to make fun of him. In a way my posts are just as informative as anyone else's. But sometimes truth hurts and reality hurts...and what I posted are facts!
I am truly interested in message board psychology...
So, I am curious if you would spend a few seconds of your time and explain to me why, if Voltaire is so wrong, such a bad guru, you waste your precious time posting about him?
Most people, when they come accross a guy that isn't any good at picking stocks, they move on. They don't take hours and hours of their time to post about how wrong he is.
I don't see anything wrong with your posts, but, I'm curious...WHY?
mb
Voltaire's Porch Basket of Stocks
CSCO
Today 24
A year ago 68
GMST
Today 47 13/16
A year ago 89
INTC
Today 32 15/16
A year ago 58
JDSU
Today 27
A year ago 133
NTAP
Today 28 3/16
A year ago 103
QCOM
Today 57 11/16
A year ago 127
SEBL
Today 31 9/16
A year ago 81
BRCM
Today 40 1/4
A year ago 240
CREE
Today 25 9/16
A year ago 91
ELON
Today 18 1/16
A year ago 83
ITWO
Today 24 15/16
A year ago 90
PMCS
Today 38 1/16
A year ago 241
RMBS
Today 44
A year ago 88
RNWK
CLOSE 8 7/32
A year ago 69
SNDK
CLOSE 24 3/8
A year ago 153
WIND
Today 29 3/4
A year ago 50
These figures are FACTS!
Hi Keith,
And may I ask why you waste so much time copy and pasting other people's posts?
What's the difference between what I post here and what Dealer does post on SI every morning night and night. Dealer cuts and paste from CBS Marketwatch all the time and I do it from SI. We both post FACTS....not unfounded predictions.
jpgill,
You can not deny that I am reporting what people actually posted and preached (in other words: SOLID HARD FACTS) and not opinions and guidance from "angels". Oh yeah, it does't matter, the "angels" thing was just entertainment according to Dealer.
Good luck jpgill, I wish you the best.
...and it gets better
I just can't see this pertaining to
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=15462948
Rumour has it, huh?
Well, I never did put much faith into rumours.
Exactly who are you on SI??
And may I ask why you waste so much time copy and pasting other people's posts? Will you ever add anything constructive, or is your main goal to simply follow people around and taunt them.
Good luck to you too......
Hi Keith, rumour has it that you've been kicked out of a certain SI thread. Hang in there!
Good luck, sincerly.
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