Plandai Biotechnology Inc (PLPL)

[marylandstockguy]

Nice - I'm not preferred. I'm just a peon trader. Good to be in your shoes. :)

[tntgraham]

I wasn’t very confident about this at that point still not sure that I am but at least it’s going up heh

[tntgraham]

I’m a preferred trader, it’s all instant when you are, so I’ll wait it out. I don’t think it’s gonna happen anyway. I should’ve did it when it was 2

[marylandstockguy]

Geez that would be one massive buy. You can always transfer it and wait, you just never know. Worst that happens is you just transfer it back. I was thinking 2K myself - takes awhile to get to eTrade for me.

[tntgraham]

What happened to my twos, I was just getting ready to put 10,000 over into my account, oh well, go baby

[dragon_warrior]

Gonna see 52 wk highs here soon

[marylandstockguy]

Very interesting - seemed to come out of nowhere. Most slaps in the previous 2 days seemed to come in the morning or up until noon (I think there was one 40 mil plus slap on Friday before the bell). Good to see some afternoon slaps today.

[varok]

Not today but will put my chips on this week for sure. Simply because we are moving closer to name and symbol change.

[Jaxxm]

Big volume so far 6ss ready to fall

[varok]

Big buy slap 140m at .0004 and 100m+ on .0005 all buys today.

[marylandstockguy]

Wow....suddenly we're over 300 mil in volume? Was there a big 5 slap? I'm seeing 5/6 bid/ask?

[Jaxxm]

Heading to .001+ >>>

[bri123]

Bid size piled back up, lets start moving north!

[marylandstockguy]

Agreed - just keep in mind I'm not the one who brought up Rennova Health.

[Due Diligence Virtuoso]

Not sure why your comparing PLPL to Rennova health which is a Multiple Reverse Split offender. Just keeping it real. In fact no one knows enough on this board to talk anything negative on this merger. You would first need to absolutely figure out what is merging in first. In terms of the Share Structure new management owns 80% of the O/S.. Those shares are LOCKED UP.. The Float remains the same. The only thing which changes is old shareholders have a Merger.. And lets hope it is a nice one!

[marylandstockguy]

Exactly - I'm not saying we're in a perfect situation here - it's very murky. Still, there's a lot more hope here than there was even a week ago.

[marylandstockguy]

I actually have 15 mil shares of Rennova Health, but they have an OS count of 40 billion and the AS hasn't been updated in forever, it could be 250 billion for all we know, and we don't know how many shares are unrestricted, and so on.

I'm there though because I know the rehab facilities have great potential and they may be turning things around over there - nothing wrong with spreading your chips around the board within reason.

[bri123]

I'm glad Tad kept it a secret this time instead of getting everyone's hopes up and letting the (potential) new owner talk about it before the deal was actually done.

[ScottishTexan]

Better buying RNVA IMO but you do you.

[bri123]

Hopefully the new guy won't mention share structure if they put out a PR. It may be in Chinese though.

[ScottishTexan]

This was short lived. I got burned here the last time they said they were doing a RM. I won't again. GLTA .

[marylandstockguy]

I wonder if one reason for the high share count could be future acquisitions? I dunno....I agree with others here that we could use a PR. I'm very happy right now though that this merger appears to have gone through - thought we were dead in the water just a month ago.

[marylandstockguy]

I think I might buy 10 million shares at 2, but I suspect those would be extremely hard to come by, even without news. At 2, now you're getting into 10 million buck market cap if the entire AS was incorporated, and we know that nearly 37 billion of the entire 50 billion are restricted. It would be very close to it going back to where it was when there was absolutely no news, and ByoPlanet had already failed. Plus, to get 2s, you'd probably have to have the stock go to 1/2, because at 2/3 I think there would be tons of bids. All that said, this is OTC land. Anything can happen - but I would perceive that as panic selling and likely buy 10 mil.

[varok]

There is only one reason why I own this stock.

First and foremost, and since I have been trading penny stocks for years is the fact that they raised the A/S to 50B and the O/S to 44B with 80% gave or take is restricted. This is on the surface very unusual, and it can only be that upon the new entity becomes a going concern is the reason and I can only surmise that it may be an awesome outcome.

The company had plenty of shares both in the A/S and O/S. Meaning liquidity. There has to be a valid reason and believe it is a positive.

Have a good day.
varok

[varok]

With respect to Mr. Wang Wei is always a very difficult to narrow down at this point since the name is common as with most names in China, but the search of Wang is common, but this popped up with another Wang Wei as a poet from the last century. As far as San Gobal Dining moving into under a public company with such a high share structure doesn't add up.

That's why it's an opinion. Until we get the actual at least it's interesting to say. Nevertheless, this is something very unusual to say the least about the sudden huge increase in share structure and I'm sure on why, but not so much on what. But I believe the end result is something that is going to be a huge event.

Have a good day
varok

[tntgraham]

Get 2's pretty soon without news. At 2, I may buy some more.
I highly doubt the company coming in is what Varok is implying, would be a dream come true if it was.
Until they say something, we'll just have to wait it out

[bri123]

Should be able to get 3's pretty soon if they don't put out news.

[marylandstockguy]

As always, I really appreciate your DD Varok - this is very insightful....

Two questions for me - is this the same Wang Wei? Do we know that for sure? Second question...

"SF Express’s U.S. headquarters is located in Los Angeles, California, and maintains branch offices in New York City and Atlanta, Georgia. All shipments from the U.S. go through these three hubs before arriving in China."

San Global Dining is headquartered in One Taipei building in Taiwan. It's not mentioned above - you'd think it might be if it was the same group taking over here wouldn't you? Maybe it's the same Wang Wei, but it's a venture outside of SF Express?

[varok]

Good morning,

I'm going into an area of pure "My opinion only".

This is an assessment of what I think this merger is all about One reason why I say this, is the culmination of increasing the A/S to 50B and the O/S to 44B with about 80% restricted. I have mentioned in one of my previous posts why they did this, and you can read the post from on the reply.

This is what may happen upon the financialization of the merger and the business model.

Please remember this is only my thought and opinion, but it seems well on what I believe has happened with the share structure as stated above what I think is a very unusual move.

Is this even possible? If this is a possibility this will be huge and why I believe the company put in a share structure to prevent a hostile takeover.

Could this be a move into North America. The company already has connections in North America.

Remember this is pure speculation and assumption.

Have a good day
varok


An article I picked up on the internet about SF Express


SF Express is a very reputable logistics company, having received more than 30 industry awards since 2013 for its customer service and technological advancements. SF, as it’s often abbreviated to, was founded in 1993 as the first express mail company of China SF has experienced rapid growth over the years and has become one of the largest integrated logistics service providers in China. SF offers a wide range of express services, including SF Express Couriers, SF Express Parcels, SF Smart Logistics Network, and SF e-commerce solutions.

They have a fleet of about 11,000 courier vehicles and 30 cargo aircraft transporting 1 million parcels every day to over 40 countries and regions. It is the only Chinese courier that provides international door-to-door shipping service.

SF Express was founded in 1993 by Wang Wei with money he borrowed from friends to start his business, making it one of China’s first delivery companies. In the beginning, they were providing express service using an electric bicycle for local deliveries but later expanded to motorcycles, cars, and trucks.

Who Does SF Express Transfer To In The US?
In 2011 SF Express was granted a license to operate cross-border e-commerce from China into foreign markets, which enabled the United States of America and international expansion. In 2013 they created SF Holding as the parent company for all their subsidiaries. They started acquiring companies outside of China that offered complementary services or had existing business in countries and regions where SF Express wanted to expand.

Sanfeng Express delivers only to the 48 contiguous states of the U.S. The company has no retail operations within the country, and instead works through wholesale partners such as DHL eCommerce and FedEx Corporation.

SF Express’s U.S. headquarters is located in Los Angeles, California, and maintains branch offices in New York City and Atlanta, Georgia. All shipments from the U.S. go through these three hubs before arriving in China.

SF Express USA delivers to all 50 states of the United States. Some areas in New York City require payment for delivery, which is not included with shipping rates. They also have partnered with DHL eCommerce and FedEx Corporation to better serve customers in Hong Kong.

Shipping Rates Of SF Express
SF Express delivers small packages under 50 lbs. to the 48 contiguous states of the U.S at a rate of $36 for the first pound plus $7 per additional pound. Weight does not include packaging.

SF Express offers flat rates to Hawaii and Alaska at $45 for the first pound plus $9 per additional pound. SF Express can ship to APO and FPO addresses in the U.S., using USPS as a logistics provider for overseas shipments.

How Do I Track SF Express In The USA?
SF Express provides online tracking of all domestic shipments, with a 5-7 business day delivery window from the date of processing. They also offer a 100% fulfillment guarantee, as long as a customer has a valid tracking number.

SF Express offers free storage for all domestic shipments for 30 days after the date of shipment and 10 days for international packages.

Domestic parcels may be held without reference to payment or storage charges up to 62 days from the date of shipment. To deliver to remote or inaccessible areas, SF Express uses a local delivery service, which may include bicycle couriers.

The company also provides international services beyond the U.S., including all countries in North America, South America, and Europe. Sanfeng Express is committed to becoming a data-driven company that offers independent third-party logistics solutions by relying on its advanced information technology infrastructure.

How Long Does SF Express Take To Deliver To USA?
SF Express has a US-based service center that delivers small parcels from China to all the 50 states in the United States within 3~7 business days. SF Express is well known for its reliability and customer service, with a 99.9% on-time delivery rate.

The logistics services are available in most countries, with more than 100 outlets throughout SF Express’s global network. Every day, SF Express processes thousands of parcels around the world through its transportation, warehousing, customs clearance, and other services.

The United States Postal Service (USPS) works with SF Express for deliveries from China into America. It provides the most efficient way to move small parcels from China quickly and safely all over the United States.

As an international express carrier, SF Express provides door-to-door delivery service to more than 200 countries and regions, which is the largest network among all international express carriers.

Does USPS Deliver SF Express?
Shipping with USPS is complicated. If you’re looking to save money on shipping, then a hybrid solution could be the way forward for your company! SF Express will first use their network of delivery trucks before sending them onto an overseas carrier who delivers packages right into people’s hands around the Asia Pacific rim – all thanks to one simple contract between us and our wonderful freight forwarding partner at Global Relay Services LLC.

USPS Hybrid Solutions uses just enough carriers in order from front-end loaders (first mile) up until the last few miles where international air freight companies come on board as “last Mile”

Does SF Express Deliver On Saturday?
Pickup and delivery services are available from Monday to Friday, but not on Saturday or Sunday. These days of the week cannot be chosen for pick up because they’re often reserved by businesses who need their shipments delivered fast to maintain efficiency with production deadlines

Pickups can only happen during business hours – that means you’ll have a lot less wait time when ordering something if your preferred pickup date isn’t too far away! LCL’s offers same-day shipping upon request at an extra charge so there will always still be options even if it’s close to.

Does SF Express deliver on Saturday?
SF Express is a company that mainly deals with international e-commerce orders from China to other countries. They do offer domestic parcel delivery services and more specialized ones as well though, which means they have different types of vehicles for delivering your item(s) at any location worldwide you want them delivered!

The majority, or around 80%, are domestically focused with overseas operations making up just under 20%. This means they have an extensive network throughout both rural areas and major cities so no matter how big your order might be-they’ll get it done!

SF Express has its headquarters based out of China and operates most of its fleet within the country itself meaning it’s heavily involved when transporting anything between countries like Japan or South Korea.

Conclusion
SF started delivering parcels domestically in 2009 after gaining the necessary licenses required to do so. Since then SF has expanded its reach by partnering with SF companies that operate all over China. SF Express was SF’s first SF Express Couriers began in 1993 SF delivers more than 750,000 parcels daily SF has 7,300 SF depots SF has over 90,000 members of staff SF offers 30 SF shipping routes SF Express is the fourth largest express enterprise worldwide.

SF Express is one of the largest integrated logistics service providers in China, the fourth largest express enterprise worldwide in terms of market capitalization, and is committed to becoming a data and technology-driven company providing independent third-party solutions. They are regarded as the second largest logistics industry in China after Alibaba and became one of the six major members (Logistics Management Corporation).

[ThatStockTrader]

What are you guys PT predictions for EOY after merger and everything settles? Any guesses?

[Due Diligence Virtuoso]

Who cares? I have started loading shares cheap since the Pureblood deal, why on earth would I care about the Bid or offer of any given minute? PLPL will take time. Nothing happens over night, and nor should it. Patience pays! It will get its run and people will take there money, and move on. Rinse, Wash, and Repeat..

[marylandstockguy]

I'll never really understand it either, other than it's partially explained in a post from this morning. I've sold at a loss, erased the stock from my watchlist and never looked back in the past. I think that's the healthiest way to go. Otherwise you're just wishing ill on other people for the sake of just being right, and that's not really very healthy.

[times3]

Yep 1 share in an odd lot trade

[jimtash]

Well .0004 just printed and mysteriously 20 million more shares just got added on the ask. SMH.

[Aquahoya]

These posts don't affect anything. I read the board, though, and I can't wrap my mind around people who stick with a stock they are so pessimistic on and need to share. Normally, at that point, they have made up their mind and left. Most that stay are optimistic. Thus, the oddity here.

[jimtash]

We'll find out.

[Due Diligence Virtuoso]

NO DEBT HERE.. and these crook posters know it. No DILUTION HERE, and these crook posters know it.. ROFL.. New management owns 80% of the O/S and they know it!

[jimtash]

That's your problem. You think it's posts here that affect the outcome.

Again, if the have preferreds then owning the majority of common shares is irrelevant. As they can sell off common shares and still have control.

[Aquahoya]

Those are flippers and potentially the last of the debt thar was clearly labeled in the financials of $55k. You think the new company wants that debt before announcing anything?

[Aquahoya]

But why do you care? If you consider PLPL a dumpster fire, then move onto something else. I've never understood negative nancies. Just because something has been unlucky, doesn't mean it will continue. Either you are here for the potential or you aren't. If I sold out of this, I would stop posting here. No point to watching something that is a let down.

[jimtash]

If they sell off the commons, which apparently some big sells went off yesterday, what's left? They have preferred do they not?

[times3]

Nice

[varok]

dido that!

[Due Diligence Virtuoso]

You need to let go of the past on PLPL. We have a new Merger and Transfer of Control Name and Ticker change already being worked on by FINRA, as per filings. So if people want to bark about Tad, then go picket Infront of the dudes new house. Cause he has NOTHING to do w PLPL anymore. HE IS NO LONGER the CEO..

For the record..
PURE BLOOD
EV HOTEL
BYO PLANET

None of them had transfer of Control. None of them had Officer Changes.. This new Merger is complete, and new management has 80% control of the commons. As in the PERSONALLY OWN the COMMONS.. So a RS talk is moot, unless they want to RS themselves..

[marylandstockguy]

That's a great article, thank you! Sadly it is 1,000% accurate in describing OTCs, the way R/S's work, and how our emotions get the best of us on these plays.

[jimtash]

Problem is that some refuse to see that big red line on the chart yesterday that represents a huge dump. Or the .0004s printing. Or the constant ask refills. That's been the common theme with PLPL. Every few months it's a repeat merger play that somehow never materializes. If you were looking to merge would you put PLPL at the top of the list with its history?

What you do with this is flip and rebuy. But only with money you can afford to lose. Cause you will lose it.

[varok]

Well said. Couldn't have said it better.
I have written many articles on the subject on trading in the penny arcade. Here's one that I wrote in 2000 and pretty much still applies today. I too go back may years and know Sterling very well from our days on RB where we had both classrooms on the trading in this venue and have always found him to be respectful and a decent person.

The 3 P's of Investing and the Strategy that can maximize your ROI.

* Principle

* Profit

* Potential


Investing and trading in the pennies is based on one's ability to fully understand what he/she has and when to sell.

Penny companies and the arena they trade in are the most unpredictable and have left investors/traders with losses that with a smart strategy, could have been avoided.

Emotion, Anxiety and Greed, three of the prevailing sentiments that always seem to be the guiding force on investors as when to buy and sell, only to acknowledge it is discipline that will pave your road to a successful ROI.

I'm only discussing the unpredictable and unregulated market, known as the pinksheets...Here the Market Makers and not the investor has the total control and you as the investor must learn to either stay one step ahead or fall victim as most usually do.

When you trade in this market you first must at the earliest opportunity to remove your principle. The best way to assess this part is divide your total share account into 3 parts. The first 33% is your principle, the second 33% is your Profit and the remaining is your Potential.

We have all experienced nice runs only to find your issue floundering at the bottom never to return. is this first run that one should remove the principal investment. This should always be applied and under No circumstances should you deviate from this. If you feel that the issue warrants a second run, it is your Profit that will be your next exit. Remember, if you removed your principle investment, you will have taken a huge risk out of the market and your Emotions will become less of a factor.

Potential...The last of the 3 P's is the most difficult and should only be left as an investment if the company has a business model that can generate revenue, but most importantly, can ROI based on the forward fundamentals of the company be realized. One assessment that you must take into account is the share structure verses Market Cap. It is this one and very much overlooked part that will determine the true value and fair value with respect to share price and where it will eventually go.

In the penny arcade, most participants/investors are way over their heads and have a skewed impression what really comprises what is an investment and what is a crap shoot. From what I have seen in this cesspool of penny garbage, it's all in the timing and being able to stay one step ahead of the market makers and the loansharks.There is no such term as long-term, investment grade, great buy and all the other misnomers that many like to refer to these pennies. For what it's worth, they are all junk and the only money makers are your day traders and the loansharks that feed offshore on what gullible buyers throw their way and the market makers who execute these buys and sells...

When one comes to the pennyarcade, he/she comes with the idea to make money, but only to be let down. The understanding of how pennies work is in itself an art and science and not the fact that a stock is priced at .0002, .001 or .10 or whatever, and it should go up because it's so cheap...Most investors if you can call them that in pennies, get the 3rd degree and they lack the sensible approach of admittance that they made a mistake and can't accept their loss.

Since the great tech and birth of the computer, the potential of online trading took off and everybody with a computer thought that the penny arcade was going to make them wealthy. This has become so far from the truth and 15 years later many have lost thousands and still can't figure it out...

It's simple,98% of all pennies are losers and just plain junk. Many or most penny companies will have movement beyond a certain entry, but all will without a doubt fall like a rock and flounder at the bottom for years with ever moving north again. If you hear nonsense like "wait until next year", or "put it in your sock drawer" and there are dozens of brilliant ideas only to have you looking back on why I paid attention to all those clowns on the message boards.

It doesn't matter on how much DD or other research you do on a particular penny stock, because these companies don't have a future. It is the art and science of understanding the way market makers play and until you get a grasp at their non-rules and cheating ways, you will lose.

The idea of holding any company is and should be based on free shares after the principle has been recouped. This part is the Potential of the 3 P's does the company have a future?

First, when a company promotes itself on penny exchange, it is for funding their R/D and this is especially true with BIO and Tech companies. Once a company can establish that even their product/idea has legs, it isn't the shareholders that gain, but the owners and the largest preferred shareholders. We as shareholders gain in the cycle of share price movements over a period of time, which allows us to sell on news and reap a decent reward, not hold out in hopes...It is pure nonsense and just doesn't make for an explanation that hold long-term on any penny stock, without exceptions can ever be achieved.

To explain this further. When a company goes public, it is mostly for funding their R&D programs through stock sales by market makers and picked up by us, blah blah, you get the point. Once a company has perfected their technology or product, it will usually in most cases shop around for a buyer for their tech/product or merge as a division into a larger company or outright hostile type takeover, again this is very true within the Bio companies. Companies with large O/S and huge amount in authorized shares generally don't have a problem with hostile takeover practices.

Through this whole ordeal, the company continues to sell shares until it has ballooned their O/S and depleted their authorized shares so much, they are forced to do the most drastic of all moves, a R/S. All this time they continue saying and moving ahead and convincing us their R/D is on target. But then, they announce a R/S, because they feel to stay in operation is a must and probably so, since they haven't found a partner and they are short of funds and we are, or some of us reluctantly go along. Posters always use the argument that if the company doesn't split it will go out of business and we will not have anything and should be loyal and stick it out. Loyal!! That's a new one. Now this is just plain incorrect, and management knows this and will be able to keep going with or without a R/S. Remember the offshore loansharks? Most companies go for these same culprits and is at this moment diluting the pool as we speak with most pennies. When management and I must say are in general a bunch of sharks that have a printing press for their own benefit and will do everything to keep the printing of new securities going just to fatten their own greed. Management is up against the wall when they parley their shares and this is always a last attempt and absolutely a death sentence, like the R/S. Incidentally, a R/S approved by shareholders is a formality and will always get approval regardless how we as shareholders vote. This part is always stacked against us. Of course, in certain cases we may be able to thwart a R/S, but that is rare.

In case of any BIO company, they usually disappear into a much larger concern. companies that trade on the penny exchange rarely ever become stand-alone concerns. The R/D and marketing requirements is far to great for any startup to absorb and is too costly, so they are usually and that is if the product is all that is meant to be, will be acquired. In general, if a Tech company has a promising product, they too will be looking for a buyer, because the tech field is changing so fast that the smaller concerns lack the funding just to stay in the game and will never be able to compete with a much larger firm that have the cash and know how.

Bio companies who have products that can even meet FDA approval will probably be sold or a major PHarma company will become a partner as in a collaboration partner and they absorb or become merger. Now to get to this stage will be with countless rewards towards shareholders equity, but eventually it will become an entity of whomever becomes a partner. This is in most cases the way of a startup Bio company with excellent potential.
investor, in return on your principle. Also keep in mind, that the risk is also the greatest threat to a dismal demise of your investment dollar. The latter is more accurate than the success rate.

A Bio company that can hopefully get the FDA seal will give the company the real interest and the potential share price explosion within hours of such a PR, but that will only come with the approval. The timeline for a nay or yah on acceptance is rather short on devices than the lengthy clinical trials required for drugs and a device, which not actually being a drug could come sooner than think. So 6-8 years for even a drug going to trials can certainly be overshadowed with impatience and will keep a stock price from ever achieving the result in the near-term or even pan out altogether. The movement on the stock price with these companies comes with the interval press releases which allow you some trading with potential profit.

So, in Short. Trade penny stocks do not use these issues as investment grade. If you have one and believe me, they are rare, remove your first two P'3 of Investing and Strategy and fully understand the true Potential of the company that you wish to hold long.

Have a good day
varok

[marylandstockguy]

Good morning Sterling,

I'm sorry with what you're going through, and I'm also sorry for Uber Darthium for losing his nephew. My situation is different because my mom has lived a great life, but every day is a struggle for me and her - she's in a rehab facility after struggling at her assisted living facility. I lost my father 5 years ago on April 25, and my mom often tells me she wants to go to sleep and not wake up, and just be with him again. Emotionally, it takes a toll on you, and it's even affecting me physically. I've had all sorts of weird aches and pains, numbness, sleeping issues, etc. So - I get to some degree all the struggles.

In regards to that stock story - it's why these stocks can't be invested in heavily. I might even say that about big stocks - look what happened at Enron. You just never know - I will repeatedly say the best thing to do is max out your 401K every paycheck, and put extra principal towards your house if you can. If you have fun money, put it here - and if you don't want to lose it all, sell half on a decent gain. Maybe you'll never be rich, but you'll be at peace. You'll be able to carve out a decent life for yourself.

I would also just say not to take any of this personally. There is a backstory behind all of these people who come in and criticize. You've just addressed one, but there are countless similar stories that explain a lot of actions here and elsewhere. Yes - we all make mistakes in investing. Just look at my posting history - I've had some real stinkers. :) Again though - build your nest egg as much as you can - then if you lose a few thousand here or there, it's not a big deal at all. I think that's the position most of us are in. Could you just buy 50 million shares of a trip 0 stock and it goes to 10 cents, and you hold the whole time? Sure....but you could hold to a penny and then it goes back to zero - then you're in hospital with stress-related illnesses. You have to figure out what makes you happy. That's success.

I'd also say this isn't directed at you, because you've been investing for over 30 years. It's more directed towards the young tykes that want to get filthy rich overnight.

[Aquahoya]

Hi stervc,

Unfortunately, many that play the OTC board have very specific personalities. I'm currently in a somewhat similar situation with GSTC. I believe in the mission and the purpose of it. Contacted many people are supposedly connected or was listed on 8ks. All of which have confirmed. The process is taking longer than thought and the CEO continues to take money from a pretty bad lender. But the company does nothing. Trying to get to trials. The point of this is that there will always be someone that has been scarred and angered for something they jumped into. Some don't do their own research or contact those involved. No one wants to. Many are so pessimistic all the time because the OTC is such an unforgiving place. Which they should have clearly known before entering. The reality is, things will fail, people will be swindled or had, but it's up to the individual trader what to do.

Anyone I talk to I give my point of view but ultimately, at the end, I explicitly tell them they have to make their minds up. I'm just going off what I know.

So I understand the idea. Some are just posters and aliases that come on here to cause trouble. They never have anything good to say and make statements about things that inevitably will be true in time.

Lot of egos here. Sorry you have had to deal with people who can't take their gambling issues to themselves. Good luck with PLPL. Hoping soon more is revealed soon.

[zombywolf]

Hardly, if you read my responses to him at NHMD.