P C Advice

[Mattu]

I am undecided right now.

XP adds a lot of nice flavor (colors and sounds) to your computer, but it's actually the same thing as Win2KPro from what I can tell.

You need a bit more horsepower to run XP, as well, if you run all the new little graphics and colors.

But beyond that, it's just 2kPro

[Ruellit]

Do you like it as well as the Win2K Pro?

Muell <g>

[Mattu]

XP Pro

[Chrisau]

Matt, which version of XP do you use?

[WillP]

"Windows has discovered new hardware"

At least it told you. Years ago, every time I booted, Windows detected a modem. That was good, since I had one. Unfortunately, it thought it was a new one. Even worse, it assumed that I wanted to install it.

You can imagine my displeasure when I discovered I had 18 fully functional modems, and one bad one. The bad one, of course, was the one I was supposed to be using. The fully functional ones? Well, of course they didn't exist.

[Ruellit]

Chris,
My wife's computer runs win98, it's a HP Pavilion 500MHz Celeron w/128M RAM. In the 12 months we've owned the machine it has crashed 4 times because of the software programs mainly win98 screws up! HP does make it easy to fix as they supply a CD with all the files on it and a sytem that will overright all system files and leave the others in tact. Only once have I had to format the hard drive and start completely over! If you have a system disk try reloading win98 before takeing everything else off.

Muell <g>

[Mattu]

I hate Win98. Stupidest program around.

My biggest issues with it are stability and having to reboot for every friggen change you make.

Win2k and WinXP rock. I have never rebooted XP. And Win2k maybe once.

[Chrisau]

Not a problem. I'm running an AMD 1800+ with 512meg. and a 266 system bus. Yes we did have a thunderstorm and a lightning strike that got my modem (not the DSL) but everything else seemed to work fine. The strike was a month ago and the 98 thing just happened three days ago.

[tc]

Chrisau

That's a strange one. Just a guess but it might be that your dsl modem or the connection to it is the problem area. Nah, I don't see how that could have anything to do with not booting. Did you happen to have a thunderstorm lately? Something could have been fried. The window98 shutdown problem is common. Have you tried a thorough scandisk ?

http://www.aumha.org/a/shutdown.htm

I wouldn't try upgrading to XP without at least a 700-800 processor and 256 ram. Although Microsoft list 300 and 128 as minimums required your xperiences won't be what you expected. I have it on two machines and love it's stability.

tc

[Chrisau]

My Win98 has become completely unstable! Three days ago I got the "Windows has discovered new hardware" card on screen and while I was looking at it, and trying to figure out what it had discovered, the screen filled with these cards. Would not re-boot, even to safe mode. Tried the start up disk, nothing.

After a lot of thinking and panic and trying other things I found the box the hard drive came in and the disk "Western digital Data Lifeguard Tools". It has a repair function on it that got the thing to recognize the startup disk. I had to reload Win98 and it still doesn't work correctly. Won't recognize my DSL on the first try and won't shut down properly. I get the "Windows is shutting down" screen and nothing further.

I'm thinking about getting XP and installing it over this. Got to be better than 98. Which version? Any thoughts? I will copy the drive to another first.

[Chas]

The only remedy is: SELL TEXN!! :)

[Chrisau]

Afraid I can't help. I have PSP too and it works fine as you described. I do not have Office 2000 so........... Anyone else?

[captainmlw]

Help needed with pulling up pictures.
NT4----Paint Shop Pro.
I can use psp.exe and browse either my picture folder or the A drive floppy to find and open pictures.
Before Office 2000 was loaded I could just insert a disk with pictures and double click on the picture and psp.exe would open it. (I had an earlier version of office before).
Now when I try to open this way I get a message that says "parameter is invalid " or something like that.
I went into VIEW and associated the JPEG files with psp.exe but it still doesn't work.
Any ideas?
Thanks, marvin
PS I also have Kodak PICDISK installed.

[Chrisau]

'Bout to put together a new computer. Got a Shuttle AK31 and AMD Athalon 1800XP. Going to use my existing CDRW, DVD and graphics card. Oh, 512 MB DDR.

Come on, this board needs some posts!

[Dashadeaux]

Chris: speaking of Carma1, (s)he appears to have disappeared???

[Chrisau]

Here's the latest page Carma posted on R/B. I checked some of the links and they work today. If anyone has any that are more current please post them. Thanks to macinvestor

Quick update 8/5/01..ZoneAlarm has improved new version FREE..halfway down on this post. YOU MUST have a Firewall, especially with DSL..and online all the time stuff.Just installed new version and tested, Great!
WeatherBug and Turbonotes have newer versions as well.

BugNet, the Web site that brings you news of software bugs, has a new "bug of the day" feature. Check it out and keep yourself up to date on all that's bad in today's software applications: Thanks Redoutback!
http://www.bugnet.com/botd.html

Replacement for Gator, which is full of spyware.
Thanks duittuit. RoboForm
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-3356736-100-3939813.html

Here's a very interesting DownLoad,Disappearing e-mail, (please note..does not work with OUTLOOK EXPRESS. You must upgrade to Outlook ) Kudos to Macinvestor for the find:
Disappearing email: set all copies of your email, even those stored on servers along the way, to become unreadable after a specified amount of time. Windows only. Requires Outlook 98 or 2000 on your machine.
http://www.disappearing.com/ab/hwdi.html
Here's where you go to upgrade to OUTLOOK. http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10021-100-886024.html?tag=st.dl.10000-103-2.lst-7-18.886024
This application DOES disclose to recipient that it is in place and when the e-m will die..does not allow for printing, forwarding or saving.
So it makes it more on the up and up that a recipient knows, IMO.

Spyware research pages, thanks to mobileone
How Can You Tell If Something's Spyware-free?
The previous item--- "Spyware-Free Download Manager" --- might make you wonder: How can you tell, before the fact, if a given app contains spyware? Of course, there are ways to tell *after the fact.* For example, you can install the app and then run Ad-Aware ( http://www.lavasoft.de/ ) or Opt-Out ( http://grc.com/optout.htm ) to identify and root out any spyware after it's on your system. That's good, and better late than never. But wouldn't you prefer to know if something is spyware (or not) *before* you install it?

These sites can help--- they maintain lists of all known spyware. Using them, you can search BEFORE you download an install. Cool!

http://www.spychecker.com/
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~johnf/dspypdf.html
http://www.infoforce.qc.ca/spyware/enknownlistfrm.
html
http://www.globalnet.cz/spyware/list.html

... and many others: http://www.google.com/search?q=spyware+list

AD SUBTRACT KILLS COOKIES, ADS AND POP-UPS
(Thanks Duittuit!!)
Free and Purchase versions available.
http://www.adsubtract.com/downloads.html
(From their website)
All AdSubtract products block ads and cookies, to make your online experience faster, more productive, and more private.
KillAd (for those pesky pop-ups). The pop-up ads on the internet are on the rise and very irritating. The first time you come into contact with the ad, it will open, then you may easily add the ad to the "kill" list. The next time you encounter the ad, the program will automatically close the pop-up window with sound feedback that you may customize. You may also edit the list just in case you desire to see the ad at some time in the future. The download is small (42K). You do need to make a new folder and a shortcut to the exe program for your desktop. After doing this, I moved the shortcut to the startup folder so that it would automatically load when I started up in the AM. link to PopUp Killer:

http://software.xfx.net/utilities/popupkiller/download.htm

THX !!!duittuit for the AD KILLER !!!!


Best Security Check site!!
http://www.symantec.com/securitycheck/
(THX! to Makomemoney!!, further Q&A Re: this security check starting at post # 3012)

Microsoft has warned of a potentially devastating security vulnerability involving its popular Outlook and Outlook Express email clients. It could allow attackers to trick users into running malicious code so giving them control of a victim's machine.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/17141.html
Directions for configuring Outlook express to fix problem is at http://www.privacyfoundation.org/advisories/javascriptoff.html
(THX! To Mobileone)

FREE ISP's,Clark Howard..Radios' "The Consumer Warrior" has a fantastic site for the best deals on EVERYTHING (including free ISP's and how to keep from getting ripped off on virtually any product or service)...here's the site:http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/clarkhoward/hottopics/cheapies.html

Direct link: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/release.asp?ReleaseID=18924


Download THE BEST antivirus program, FREE!Link by Spearfish_SD.(Thanks Fish ! GREAT FIND!)
Every anti-virus program has its strengths and weaknesses. In this area lately we have been bombarded by several variants of the KAK virus that both Norton and McAfee ignore. InnoculateIt from http://antivirus.cai.com (it's free) does a great job of cleaning up and protecting. I have Windows Scripting Host turned off on my PC so they can't do anything once I get them, but I still thought I was clean until InnoculateIt found two different versions and cleaned them.
(Inoculate IT is no longer free for new users, but well worth the cost, IMO.)

Turbo Notes:This is one of my favorite programs as you can set a pop-up reminder for 10 yrs. out at an exact time if you want ..anniversaries, B-days, etc..a Great FREE program...a must have for reminders, etc..has an alarm feature..Try It !!http://turbopress.com/tbn3.htm

Do you have friends in Europe,Asia..anywhere else in the world, and need a QUICK resource for knowing the Day and Time before calling.
Best Site for Day and Time Worldwide: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/index.asp



Rolling Stone Radio offers streaming music featuring thirteen stations including Pop Hits, Modern Rock, Country Hits, New Wave Classics, Women In Rock, R&B Hits, Hip Hop, Classic Rock, Electronica, Dance Hits, Guitar Rock, College Rock, and the newest station, DBRN, the David Bowie Radio Network. Other features include instant voting, a music news ticker, artist information links, "buy album" links, seek or scan station-by-station, and more:http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-1896423-100-908459.html?tag=st.dl.10001-105-5.lst-1-10.908459
Note: You must have RealPlayer G2 installed in order to install this program. The download link leads to a RealAudio stream, which will launch RealPlayer and automatically install Rolling Stone Radio.

Wanted Jobs 2K will take the headache out of finding that perfect job. No more pounding the pavement and looking through piles of classified ads: Wanted Jobs will search through Internet classifieds for you, based on your custom set of criteria. The search is updated every time you check your data, and the program will search from a designated list of 32 sites:http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-10059-100-907764.html?tag=st.dl.10001-105-6.lst-1-15.907764

GREAT prices on Software, Hardware, Electronics,Golf Equip,Etc...ships in 24-48 hrs (Thanks Adrenaline !)
http://www.us.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=20152702&loc=6747

I asked and thank 2 of our members,(JackVance and Spearfish)for putting together a
Maintenance schedule:
You should run, in the Windows environment, the programs ScanDisk and Disk Defragmenter on a Regular Schedule. At least once a Month.

It is recommended that you run ScanDisk before you run the Disk Defragmenter.

Some people encounter problems with these programs, being able to run them all the way thru without them quitting is the problem. You will have a message box popup that says "unable to complete program due to another program writing to Disk".

The way around this, without changing any of your settings, is to run the above in "Windows Safe Mode". To get to the Safe Mode selection box, you do the following: Start up the Computer, Reboot, and while the Ram count is running, hold down the control key on the keyboard. This will usually popup the Safe Mode selection Box, enter the number for Safe Mode and press Enter. Then go to Start\Programs\Accessories\System Tools and click the ScanDisk or Disk Defragmenter.

In certain Cases you have to press the F8 key to enter the Safe Mode.

Get Rid of the Old Junk
Windows 98

Windows 98 offers a great housecleaning tool to clear out file detritus from temp-file directories, caches, the Recycle Bin, and so on: Disk Cleanup. To run Disk Cleanup, select Start/Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Disk Cleanup. From the list of likely junk-filled places, select the ones you want to clear out, and click OK.

MORE FREE DOWNLOADS:
Thanks Mobileone!E-mail snoop....people you should read this, http://www.privacyfoundation.org/commentary/tipsheet.html if you haven’t already. Fixes are included.

THX!Jack Vance great post!(A MUST Read), "Software for the
paranoid,:Link: http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB00510&read=2623

THX!! to esalad:Three search sites aimed at scouring web databases, where regular search engines never go:
http://gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/%7Egprice/direct.htm
http://www.invisibleweb.com/
http://beta.profusion.com

Ad-Aware.. various sites you visit or in some cases downloads that you use sometimes nefariously install a tracking system that reports all of your surfing habits and sells this information to internet advertisers for targeted marketing..(Doubleclick hits your machine from RB,for instance),Fortunately someone has come up with a program that scans your system in about 10 seconds and locates these little"Trojan Horse" type programs and eliminates them ..I run it every week.The first time I ran it there were 21!!! hidden on my hard-drive..It's free..it's called AD-Aware..

Try it! http://www.lavasoft.de/ carma
Another free download is http://www.webwasher.com this helps to delete a lot of the ad banners. these ads slow down your computer.Thanks to Wiley 10

REAL Experts answer questions on-line..FREE.Carma
Auto Repair, http://www.allexperts.com/default.asp?heading=3
Careers
http://www.allexperts.com/default.asp?heading=2
Computers/software/programming
http://www.allexperts.com/default.asp?heading=18
Family Relations & Counseling
http://www.allexperts.com/default.asp?heading=16
Gardening,Higher Education,Hobbies & Crafts, Home Improvement/Product Repairs, Investing/Stocks
Love/Relations,Medicine/Health,Home buying,legal issues and dozens of other categories with FREE VOLUNTEER experts to answer your questions,A TREMENDOUS free resource,
MAIN SITE:http://www.allexperts.com

Repost of MusicMatch Jukebox download:
Want to burn MP3 to CD's? FREE download of MusicMatch Jukebox: They also have a free MAC version and a free Linux version.
http://www.musicmatch.com/
Get MusicMatch Jukebox 6.0—the only jukebox software program that comes complete with FREE CD-quality MP3 encoding. Now with personalized MP3 radio, new user interface and powerful song tagging! Hear music based on your favorite artist with "Artist Match" radio Add cover art, lyrics, notes, bios and other info to your music with powerful new tagging controls. THX!! to JackVance and Bruvie.

Buying a laptop..check these sites first, BIG THX!!! to Tollermike.JackVance:Duittuit:
http://www.pricewatch.com/
http://www.compgeeks.com/
http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfh/default.htm
and check out their laptops and notebooks that are reconditioned but with a factory warranty.
I recommend DELL over any other major MFG.
http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfh/products/line_notebooks.htm
good deals here for both new and reconditioned.
http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/searchresults.asp?SR=1&ER=10&TR=0&ST=AS&plattype...
Dell Factory Outlet for Reconditioned and New units. All that I saw were well under $2K.
http://www.dell.com/us/en/dfh/products/line_notebooks.htm
Compaq also-
http://www.compaqfactoryoutlet.com/templates/products/index.asp?dept%5Fid=1001&mscssid=8L1LDANKQ... be sure to click the view all models on the above page.And www.Cnet.com for top 5 reviews.

Send and hear e-mail by phone for FREE: http://www.hearmymail.com (This is GREAT)!
Also go to http:www.MSN.com and open a Hotmail account and you can recieve e-mails on your phone.This feature is starting to pop-up everywhere(1/26/00)..Including AOL.
(Personal Recommendation, Most reliable and consistently highest rated ISP with STRONG SUPPPORT ISP, Earthlink/Mindspring..you can still download the AOL member
instant chat for free). Carma
http://www.mindspring.com

Thanks to Adrenaline:Useful info and free downloads for your PC running Windows, check out this site... enjoy :)
http://www.vtoy.fi/jv16/index.html

Thanks to TollerMike:One of the best PC FAQ sites around and its free: http://www.pcguide.com/
If you are running NT: http://www.ntfaq.com
Enjoy...I learn each and everytime I visit
either one of those sites.

LOTS of other Free Downloads. by:Carma1

This next one is a favorite..Another FREE download, you can pick and choose from thousands of Worldclass BEAUTIFUL and innovative pictures..for screensavers and /or send them as post cards to friends with music. Electronic greeting cards are getting more and more popular. They're beginning to take over territory from traditional "snail mail" cards, just as e-tailers have taken chips out of the brick-and-mortar world. They're quick and easy to send, Some have multimedia options paper cards can't match, like audio and video clips, family snaps, and other attachments.
http://www.webshots.com

This one YOU HAVE TO DOWNLOAD,It's FREE and
THE BEST Firewall at any price for home
PC's(REAL protection from hackers or unauthorized access to your computer)It's Called "ZoneAlarm"..
Go to http://www.zonelabs.com
Highly Rated.Highly effective and easy to use.
DYNAMITE!


Great DEFRAG SOLUTION..Run at least once a week to keep your machine fast and in tune"Power Defrag" did my last Defrag in 20 Mins..!!!
Read On:Power Defrag v1.00 is a freeware application which improves the performance of the Windows 95 and Windows 98 Disk Defragmenter program.
"Thank you so much for your 'Power Defrag'. [For the] first time for 2 years I can do defragmentation of my computer without problems."
"Congratulations! The Power Defrag program is a miracle! I have just installed and ran the program for my first time, your program cut my wait time down from 40 minutes to 20 minutes. Thank-you for creating such a great utility and sharing it with the world." Try Power Defrag for yourself. Download it from one of the links given below. Note: Power Defrag is for Windows 95 and Windows 98 only. It will not work with any other version of Windows, including Windows ME. not recommended for machines that are configured to dual boot with Linux as this is an untested configuration. Here's the site to download it: http://www.e-technik.com/main.asp

Here's "Weather Bug"(Thanks to Makomemoney!)..it hooks your PC into the closest weather reporting terminal and has tons of other features..(With no back door stuff, Make sure you uncheck the "I authorize" box on this download..this eliminates the tracker cookie..Incredible Graphics on the Main screen..with ALL weather data, wind speed, humidity, precip., forecasts, Real-Time stellite pictures !, It chirps if here is a weather alert!! a current temp. on your screen right next to the time..here's the download site:
http://www.aws.com/corp/default.asp

Posted by Macinvestor!:
Clock adjustment program. Try Dimension 4. Link below. Read the user opinions. It is free.
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-3356748-100-1550358.html?tag=st.dl.10001-103-1.lst-7-1.td
1550358

Posted by Adrenaline!:
These are some of my favorite links... Enjoy!
http://www1.pcworld.com/heres_how/article/0,1400,17759+1+0,00.html
http://www.tweakfiles.com/
http://www.winfiles.com/
http://www.comletelyfreesoftware.com/
http://www.winmag.com/
http://www.pcguide.com/
http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/
http://www.pureperformance.com/
http://uers.aol.com/axcel216/msdos.htm
http://Free2Try.com/
http://www.geo cities.com/Broadway/Alley/8212/
(Note: type geo cities in one word without the space, because RB doesn't allow links with that name)

A Personal Favorite Website..is a game ite where you can play a variety of board games with people from all over the world..I'm a Chessplayer and one of the complaints of most peole who enjoy Chess is not finding people to play a game with.NOT HERE,this site connects players of all levels from all over the world.I'm playing people in England,Phillipines,Aus,Germany,Ireland..and by chance, 1 guy that lives 2 blocks from me..Lol!They have Backgammon,and about 6 or 7 other popular games as well..including tournaments. http://www.itsyourturn.com Enjoy! Carma1

Since we are getting lots of free downloads..
Here is what I think is the BEST download manager, speeds up download times substantially by automatically looking for the best location, and "pings" it to see which has the quickest response..then selects the fastest site from which to pull it..called "Download Accelerator" Also Free. http://www.speedbit.com


AnalogX Atomic TimeSync let's you synchronize your computers internal clock to
any other time server on the web, such as the one at the National Institute of
Standards and Technology (http://www.nist.gov/)! This means you can set your computer's time by the same atomic clocks that the military uses - And/or set your Watch to the EXACT SECOND!Carma.

-> Free Stuff Listings ~
http://www.freewareweb.com/go.pl?btm6
This site lists most of the best freebies available on the 'net. It does not only list free stuff but some of the best deals you
can get as well. Regularly Updated.

497 FREE DOWNLOADS..I recommend that if you like one, use the reviews feature first, but take the reviews with a grain of salt,I'm sure some are "Plants"from competing software firms SELLING
the same type of application.If you don't like a download, most have an"Uninstall" feature or go to "settings","control panel"and click on the "Uninstall/install" Icon.HAVE FUN!!!
http://download.cnet.com/1,10150,0-10000-105-0-1-1,00.html?filterQuery=true&os=&li=2


To ALL:Please Help spread the word on PC ADVICE board site, There are a lot of people still in the RB community that could use the help and are'nt aware of this new board and THE GREAT real expert advice our members provide.

Copy and paste the below and post on your favorite stock sites or e-mail to friends, to help them enjoy the great expertise, learning experience and comraderie of our board:

"PC Advice,You are invited to a new RB board,
as everyone on RB uses a PC;There is a new board called "PC Advice".This is not only a board to exchange free download information etc., but has been set-up at the approval of RB as a place where members can discuss PC problems, Software and Hardware solutions, and of course,Advice.
DirectLink:
http://www.ragingbull.altavista.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=CLB00510&startfrom=0
Once you get there..click on "Join this Personalized Board" at the bottom of a post,that will automatically make you a member able to post."Boardmark" it as well, so all you have to do is go to "My Raging Bull" to link in.This is a real benefit for RB members,that you can use to get help from other members in the RB community to save time and $$$,Get free downloads, diagnose problems and learn and/or help others to fully utilize a PC's and OS's of ALL types.Join Us!Thanks.

END

[Chrisau]

C'mon, I really need some input on my message #8.

[captainmlw]

Me too, and I'm trying to get my alias changed.
marvin (captainmlw on RB)

[jackvance]

count me in, boardmarked already

[excel]

Just a suggestion. You might go to the board below and combine your boards. TC is a very helpful person.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=470

Excel
http://www.fathersloveletter.com/fllpreviewlarge.html

[Mattu]

NW:

All ticker-specific (Company) boards are free to post to.

A two-colum layout of the site for free vs premium:

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/hub_grps.asp

MB

[Chrisau]

Good to see you here Matt. Haven't tried it yet, so no hints from me! Not that I ever am much help. LOL

[NorthWesterner]

Are you a free or a premium member here?

Some boards are only available to premium (paid) members. Others are available to all.

The list under the Discussions tab clearly lays out which are which.

[Mattu]

Any of you guys tried/use Windows XP?

I was rather reluctant to try it, since I was so happy with Win2kPro...but....

It is growing on me very fast. I bought an extra memory stick to shove into the desktop I have running XP and wow, what a cool OS now. Nice, fast, and so far --- rock solid.

I'm really growing fond of the new Start Menu that organizes things.

[Chrisau]

That's why I started this one. This seems to be a really good format, like R/B used to be. I hope everyone that was on the old one will come to this one. It was a really good group!

[Dashadeaux]

Chris, I hope everyone switches to this new board. Since Lycos changed formats, there's been an exodous from them for several message boards...

Dash

[Chrisau]

Any thoughts on this board? Shuttle AK31A Skt A VIA KT266A Chip AMD XP READY
Supports 1.5G+ w/BEST VIA KT266A Chipset

[Chrisau]

okokokok, I changed it. Drain bamage! lol

[redoutback]

To anyone who's curious - I just stumbled on the reason I couldn't access the TEXN boards. I had been keying in 'TEXN' as
a ticker symbol and the board flashed and disappeared a second later. If I key in 'TEXN' as a 'Message', the board comes up as it should. Maybe if they changed the word message to read 'BOARDS' or even 'MESSAGES', then dummies like me wouldn't
have stupid problems! LOL

YFINJ

Red

[redoutback]

Chrisau - I think you meant Carma, not Carla, or was that just a typo like we all make? (:

YFINJ

Red

[redoutback]

I already tried that - They haven't figured it out yet.

YFINJ

Red

[xxrayeyes]

Go to this board and explain your problem to Bob or Matt. They can probably help you out. They are the site's Admin.

Disclaimer
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=135097

[redoutback]

OK - I'm here and I too like this format much better than RB - But I still have the problem with the TEXN board as I described on RB and it's driving me crazy!!!!! Why do all the other iHub boards work fine for me and the TEXN board just disappears immediately????? I even tried deleting my iHUB cookie but that
didn't make any difference.

Red

YFINJ

Red

[Chrisau]

Welcome all! I like this format much better than the new RB and hope you do too.