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I don’t see the finality in this company
Welcome to the board, my friend! It seems that Synergy or SSM Monopoly Group will acquire this Excellent CLEAN Shell (NBVG) very soon...
LOL, even a Toxic "DELINQUENT SEC Reporting" peer (DKAM) did explode to 0.0022 from 0.000001 most recently v.s. NBVG is a NON-DELINQUENT CLEAN Shell with nearly ZERO Debt but it is trading at ridiculous low price or New bottom 0.0002 now!
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/NBVG/filings
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/DKAM/filings
Wow, its peer (NOHO) has 10B shares Giant OS and 10B shares Giant float but it had already soared to eye-popping high 0.0038 in February from 0.000001 v.s. NBVG is trading at ridiculous low price 0.0002 now v.s. NOHO is trading at ridiculous high price 0.0016 currently!
Buying NOHO at 52-week-high 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 32.5 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0002 or 22.642%-Higher than current 52-week-high 0.0053!
Buying NBVG at current price 0.0002 = buying NOHO at 0.000117 vs at ridiculous high price 0.0016 now, LOL!
Buying NOHO at current price 0.0016 = buying NBVG at 0.00274 vs at ridiculous low price 0.0002 now, LOL!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now!
Therefore the diamond-in-rough is Super Undervalued currently! Easy to Quickly surge over May-High 0.0035 to hit the target 0.0065!
Note, NOHO has 5,338,976,500 shares of Huge HTV (Highest-Trading-Volume) v.s. NBVG has only 67,366,266 shares of Tiny HTV! Thus the HTV of NOHO = 79.253 Times of the HTV of NBVG! Which tells us how Tiny float the Diamond-In-Rough has and how Easy it can surge to the Penny Land!
This Nevada-CLEAN-shell is Ready to be acquired through Custodianship by Monopoly Group and David Lazar etc. Custodianship-Taking-Over specialists!
Back to this May this hidden gem did Quickly surge to 0.0035 (on May 13) from the Same price 0.0003 (on May 11) within just Two Days with measly 15,409,410 shares of Tiny trading volume!
Note, NBVG only has merger 67,366,266 shares of Tiny Highest-Trading-Volume (HTV) in history! So it will be very easy to surge back to 0.0053 ~ 0.0035 again in the coming days/weeks...
Buying its Similar-SS OTC peer (JAMN: 5,018,195,604 shares shares OS and 7,072,861,525 shares AS) at March's high 0.0060 = buying this hidden gem (NBVG) at 0.0052 which is 17.333 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
Note, the target 0.0052 is just a tick below current 52-week-high 0.0053!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Cheaper than JAMN now!
NBVG has only 0.67B shares of Tiny HTV v.s. JAMN has 1.1B shares of Huge HTV! Thus the float of JAMN is 1.642 Times of the float of NBVG! Which tells us how Tiny float this hidden gem has and how easy NBVG can Quickly surge back to 0.0053 again!
Folks here, let's Slap out those Dirt Cheap shares at 0.0003 ASAP since Nothing above 0.0003 till mere 500,000 shares at 0.0018!
You can see it is a shell
LOL, I'm a American and I can still buy NBVG without any issue at all! How could you (Canadian?) come out that ridiculous statement? Open a account with Charles Schwab, then you can easily buy NBVG!
Back to this May this hidden gem did Quickly surge to 0.0035 (on May 13) from 0.0003 (on May 11) within just Two Days with measly 15,409,410 shares of Tiny trading volume!
Note, NBVG only has merger 67,366,266 shares of Tiny Highest-Trading-Volume (HTV) in history! So it will be very easy to surge back to 0.0053 ~ 0.0035 again in the coming days/weeks...
This Nevada-CLEAN-shell is Ready to be acquired through Custodianship by Monopoly Group and David Lazar etc. Custodianship-Taking-Over specialists!
Buying its Same-Bottom OTC peer (EFIR: 19,042,966,799 shares shares Giant OS count) at July's high 0.0019 = buying this Much-Much-Much-Lower-OS hidden gem (NBVG) at 0.0062 which is 20.67 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
Note, the target 0.0062 is 17%-Higher than current 52-week-high 0.0053!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than EFIR now!
NBVG has only 0.67B shares of Tiny HTV v.s. EFIR has 3.8B shares of Huge HTV! Thus the float of EFIR is 56.72 Times of the float of NBVG! Which tells us how Tiny float this hidden gem has and how easy NBVG can Quickly surge to the Penny Land!
Folks here, let's Slap out those Dirt Cheap shares at 0.0003 and Nothing above 0.0003 till 0.0018!
Why to limite the quotation to one machine instead several like by the past
There is nothing inside since 10 years
It could be again
Lol
Because it's not a company?
You are talking to yourself. No one can trade this. You must be Canadian?
25,000 shares Slapped at 0.0051 yesterday! The next ask is 500K-0.0018, then mere 10K-0.01 (i.e. the Penny Land)!
Back to this May this hidden gem did Quickly surge to 0.0035 (on May 13) from 0.0003 (on May 11) within just Two Days with measly 15,409,410 shares of Tiny trading volume!
Note, NBVG only has merger 67,366,266 shares of Tiny Highest-Trading-Volume (HTV) in history! So it will be very easy to surge back to 0.0053 ~ 0.0035 again in the coming days/weeks...
This Nevada-CLEAN-shell is Ready to be acquired through Custodianship by Monopoly Group and David Lazar etc. Custodianship-Taking-Over specialists!
Buying its Same-Bottom peer (EFIR: 19,042,966,799 shares shares Giant OS count) at July's high 0.0019 = buying this Much-Much-Much-Lower-OS hidden gem (NBVG) at 0.0062 which is 20.67 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
Note, the target 0.0062 is 17%-Higher than current 52-week-high 0.0053!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than EFIR now!
NBVG has only 67M shares of Tiny HTV v.s. EFIR has 3.8B shares of Huge HTV! Thus the float of EFIR is 56.72 Times of the float of NBVG! Which tells us how Tiny float this hidden gem has and how easy NBVG can Quickly surge to the Penny Land!
Folks here, let's Slap out those Dirt Cheap shares at 0.0003 and Nothing above current ask till 0.0018!
I can't sell this on E-Trade or transfer my position to Schwab or td Ameritrade.
Stuck with 2.2 Mill and can't do anything.
Completely ridiculous
Yes, NBVG hit 0.0051 today with 25,000 shares! Welcome to the board, NBVG investor! The next ask is mere 10,000 shares at 0.01 which is the Penny Land!
Back to May 13 ~ May 11 this hidden gem ever Quickly surged to 0.0035 from 0.0003 within just Two Days with measly 15,409,410 shares of Tiny trading volume!
Keep in mind that NBVG only has merger 67,366,266 shares of Tiny Highest-Trading-Volume in history! So it will be very easy to surge back to 0.0035 ~ 0.0053 again!
This Nevada-CLEAN-shell is Ready to be acquired through Custodianship-Taking-Over by Monopoly Group and David Lazar etc.!
Buying its peer (NOHO: 10B shares Giant OS & float) at February-high 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 21.67 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now!
Yes, 0.0051 today! 74.9M x 0.5M now and the next ask is mere 10K shares at 0.01! Ready to soar back to most recent highs area 0.0035 ~ 0.0053 again!
NBVG is an hidden gem in terms of its Tiny Highest-Trading-Volume (67M shares HTV) and CLEAN-shell status with very popular OTC-favorite state Nevada! Which is why with just over 15M shares of Super Tiny trading volume it could surge to 0.0035 from 0.0003 within just a couple of days --- see the first chart below!
In fact NOHO has Much-Much-Much-Higher OS (10B-OS) than NBVG (5.8B-OS) though NBVG has Much-Much-Much-Higher OS than another peer BUNM (2.7B-OS)!
Note, NOHO has nearly 6B shares Giant HTV and BUNM has 301M shares Small HTV v.s. NBVG has mere 67M shares Tiny HTV! The current bid size is Much-Larger than its HTV! Which means all the weak hand's shares can be Easily bailed out at the bid!
Buying its peer (NOHO) at February-high 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 32.5 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0002!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now!
Therefore NBVG is Super Undervalued currently! Easy to Quickly hit May-high 0.0035 again...
whats going on ???? is a good thing???
what is going on???
You need a company
Yes, NBVG is an hidden gem in terms of its Tiny HTV (67M shares of Highest Trading Volume) and CLEAN-shell status with very popular OTC-favorite state Nevada! Which is why with just over 15M shares of Super Tiny trading volume NBVG could surge to 0.0035 from 0.0003 within just a couple of days --- see the first chart below!
Note, the current bid size is Much Larger than its HTV! Which means all the weak hand's shares can be bailed out at the bid!
Buying its peer (NOHO: 10B-OS) at February-high 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 32.5 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0002!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now!
Therefore NBVG is Super Undervalued currently! Easy to Quickly hit May-high 0.0035 again...
Though NBVG has Much-Much-Much-Higher OS than another peer (BUNM: 2.7B-OS) but NOHO has Much-Much-Much-Higher OS than NBVG (5.8B-OS)!
Note, NOHO has nearly 6B shares Giant HTV and BUNM has 301M shares Small HTV v.s. NBVG has mere 67M shares Tiny HTV!
LOL, this hidden gem (NBVG) is trading at ridiculous low price 0.0002 now with only 5.8B shares OS v.s. its peer (NOHO: 10B shares Giant OS & float) did bounce Up 166.67% to 0.0008 so far from most recent low 0.0003 while another peer (BUNM: 2.7B shares Low OS) is trading at 0.0004 now!
Buying NOHO at February-high 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 (which is 32.5 Times of current price 0.0002) = buying BUNM at 0.0138 (which is 34.5 Times of current price 0.0004)!
So both NBVG and BUNM are Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now!
Therefore NBVG is Extremely Undervalued currently! Easy to Quickly hit May-high 0.0035 again...
Is there an answer for this company or not
Yes. Who are selling Dirt Cheap shares at ridiculous low price 0.0003 now? The next ask is mere 10,000 shares at 0.01 from Blue Sky asks of Level2! Easy to hit the Penny Land Quickly...
The hidden gem is Extremely Undervalued now comparing to its peer (EFIR: 19.043B shares Giant OS)!
Buying EFIR at July-high 0.0019 = buying NBVG at 0.0062 which is 20.667 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
Buying EFIR at current price 0.0011 = buying NBVG at 0.0036 which is 12 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Cheaper than EFIR now!
It seems the dried out the sales at ridiculous low price 0.0002! So the dirt cheap 0.0003 is the Lowest price to get in before NBVG explodes to 0.0065...
Anyway its peer (NOHO) is trading at Much Much Much Higher price levels currently with Much-Much-Higher OS count, LOL!
Buying NOHO at 0.0006 = buying NBVG at 0.001024 which is 5.12 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0002!
Buying NOHO at 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 23%-Higher than current 52-week-high 0.0053!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now!
NBVG is trading at Dirt Cheap New bottom 0.0002 now v.s. its peer (NOHO) is trading at Much Much Much Higher price levels currently with Much-Much-Higher OS count, LOL!
Buying NOHO at 0.0006 = buying NBVG at 0.001024 which is 5.12 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0002!
Buying NOHO at 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 23%-Higher than current 52-week-high 0.0053!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now!
Try Charles-Schwab to place your buying orders. It worked for me. However my buying orders at 0.0002 are still not filled yet which is why I bought Multiple Millions shares at 0.0003 ~ 0.0004. If what you speculated were true then NBVG would not bounce to 0.0007 ~ 0.0004 (not to mention 0.0053 ~ 0.0035) most recently, LOL!
Anyway those Dirt Cheap 0.0002 ~ 0.0004 sellers will soon kick themselves because with only 15,409,410 shares of Small trading volume this hidden gem could Easily & Quickly surge to 0.0035 on May 13 from May 11's 0.0003! Easy to hit the Penny Land very soon with Another 53-Bagger Quick rally from 0.0002...
Yes, NBVG is a nice Nevada public company with the Sought-After CLEAN-Shell status and Super Small float available for trading --- mere 67,366,266 shares!
Note, NBVG did soar 17.5-Bagger to 0.0035 from 0.0002 within just a couple of weeks!
Wow, buying its Same-most-recent-low (0.0002) peer (ENTI) at most recent high 0.0018 = buying NBVG at 0.0092 which is 46 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0002!
LOL, even buying-ENTI-at-0.0002 is Much More Expensive than buying-NBVG-at-0.0010 based on the market value comparison!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than ENTI now!
Yeah except no one buying. I tried to take some restricted. Whatever
Those Dirt Cheap 0.0002 ~ 0.0004 sellers will soon kick themselves because with only 15,409,410 shares of Small trading volume this hidden gem could Easily & Quickly surge to 0.0035 on May 13 from May 11's 0.0003! Easy to hit the Penny Land very soon with Another 53-Bagger Quick rally from 0.0002...
Yes, NBVG is a nice Nevada public company with the Sought-After CLEAN-Shell status and Super Small float available for trading --- mere 67,366,266 shares!
Anyway the trading restriction by most popular firms (such as E-Trade and TD-Ameritrade) did Negatively impact the price a lot but some Big firms (such as Charles-Schwab) let their clients to buy NBVG without any issue at all! Which is why NBVG did soar 11.67-Bagger to 0.0035 from 0.0003 within just a couple of days with mere 15M shares of Small trading volume!
Wow, buying its Same-most-recent-low (0.0002) peer (ENTI) at most recent high 0.0018 = buying NBVG at 0.0092 which is 30.67 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
LOL, even buying-ENTI-at-0.0002 is Much More Expensive than buying-NBVG-at-0.0010!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than ENTI now!
NBVG is a Nevada court. But maybe the current trading restrictions by most brokerages make it an issue
Not at all! NBVG will either "Go Current" or be acquired through "Custodianship" in the coming days/weeks...
Note, the company just upgraded NBVG to current Pink-Sheet market most recently from previous Grey-Sheet market! They should further bring the stock back to OTC "Current Information" Reporting tier! Otherwise all the money they used and all the great efforts they did will soon be worthless!
Where are those most recent 0.0035 ~ 0.0010 buyers now? Why they let NBVG crash down to such ridiculous low price levels 0.0002 ~ 0.0004? If I were one of those buyers then I would bid 60M shares at 0.0005 so that NBVG would easily bounce to 0.0010 ~ 0.0035 again from New bottom 0.0005 because the Highest trading volume in its Entire history was only 67,366,266 shares!
Buying the peer ENTI at 0.0018 = buying NBVG at 0.0092 which is 46 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0002!
Buying ENTI at 0.0001 = buying NBVG at 0.00051!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Cheaper than ENTI now!
Those dirt cheap 0.0002 ~ 0.0004 sellers will soon kick themselves since only 15,409,410 shares of trading volume could Easily & Quickly pushed this hidden gem up to 0.0035 (in May) from most recent low 0.0002!
It's a dirty rs ridden shell with huge float this will likely end up CE
Yes. Why this hidden gem could crash to as low as 0.00015 from New high 0.0053 within just several weeks? Why the company upgraded NBVG to current Pink-Sheet market from previous Grey-Sheet market? They should further bring the stock back to OTC "Current Information" Reporting tier! Otherwise all the money they used and all the great efforts they did will soon be worthless!
Where are those most recent 0.0035 ~ 0.0010 buyers now? Why they let NBVG crash down to such ridiculous low price levels 0.0002 ~ 0.0004? If I were one of those insert-text-here buyers then I would bid 60M shares at 0.0005 so that NBVG would easily bounce to 0.0010 ~ 0.0035 again from New bottom 0.0005 because the Highest trading volume in its Entire history was only 67,366,266 shares!
Buying the peer ENTI at 0.0018 = buying NBVG at 0.0092 which is 46 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0002!
Buying ENTI at 0.0001 = buying NBVG at 0.00051!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Cheaper than ENTI now!
Not at all! Did you see how Quickly & Easily for this hidden gem to create previous New 52-week-high 0.0035 (on May 13) from 0.0003 (on May 11) within just a Single day?
As I can tell NOTHING above current ask 0.0004 till the next ask 0.01!
NBVG is at Hyper Oversold status --- from 0.0053 to 0.0002 within just several weeks!
It is also Extremely Undervalued now comparing to its peers (such as NOHO)!
Buying its peer (NOHO: 10B shares Giant OS) at 52-week-high 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 15.25 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0004!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now!
I think the stock nbvg had a good resistance and not resilience
Which means SSM Monopoly Corp. or David Lazar may acquire NBVG very soon through Custodianship-Taking-Over way! When that happens here NBVG can Quickly & Easily surge to the Penny Land based on its CLEAN-shell peer's most recent market value (such as MDCE)! I bet "Custodianship" for NBVG very soon...
In fact even without any catalyst at all this hidden gem was still able to run to 0.0035 (on May 13) from 0.0003 (on May 11) by means of our investor's very strong Slapping actions (i.e. buy at the asks)!
0.0003 x 0.0004 now! It seems that 0.0004 is the Lowest price to get in before this hidden gem test 0.0053 ~ 0.0035 again...
Buying its peer (MDCE) at Top 0.03 = buying NBVG at 0.0152 which is 38 Times of current price 0.0004 or 2.87 Times of 52-week-high 0.0053!
Buying NBVG at Top 0.0053 = buying its peer (BUNM) at 0.0113 which is 18.833 Times of current price 0.0006 or 5.95 Times of 52-week-high 0.0019!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than MDCE though NBVG is Much Much Much More Expensive than BUNM at peaks!
What is it
such as Custodianship-Taking-Over by SSM Monopoly Corp. or David Lazar) NBVG could easily surge
Why not? NBVG declined to 0.0003 today and today! It seems that I might be able to steal some Dirt Cheap shares at New bottom 0.0002 very soon...
Anyway with any catalyst (such as Custodianship-Taking-Over by SSM Monopoly Corp. or David Lazar) NBVG could easily surge to the Penny Land based on its CLEAN-shell peer's most recent market value!
In fact even without any catalyst at all this hidden gem still exploded to 0.0035 (on May 13) from 0.0003 (May 11) through our investor's very strong Slapping actions!
Most recently who were those strong hands (who pushed NBVG up to 0.0053, 0.0035, and 0.0011 respectively) and where are they now?
Buying its peer (MDCE) at Top 0.03 = buying NBVG at 0.0152 which is 50.67 Times of current price 0.0003 or 2.87 Times of 52-week-high 0.0053!
Buying NBVG at Top 0.0053 = buying its peer (BUNM) at 0.0113 which is 22.6 Times of current price 0.0005 or 5.95 Times of 52-week-high 0.0019!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than MDCE though NBVG is Much Much Much More Expensive than BUNM at peaks!
Personnal i won’t buy any
What? Jail whom? Wow, NBVG crashed to 0.0002 yesterday and today! It seems that I might be able to steal some Bottom shares at 0.0001 very soon...
Anyway with any catalyst (such as Custodianship-Taking-Over by SSM) NBVG could easily hit the Penny Land based on some of its CLEAN-shell peer's most recent market value (such as MDCE)! In fact even without any catalyst at all this hidden gem still exploded to 0.0035 (on May 13) from 0.0003 (May 11) through our investor's very strong Slapping actions!
I'm wondering where are those strong hands (who pushed NBVG up to 0.0053, 0.0035, and 0.0011 respectively) now?
Buying its peer (MDCE) at Top 0.03 = buying NBVG at 0.0152 which is 76 Times of current price 0.0002 or 2.87 Times of 52-week-high 0.0053!
Buying NBVG at Top 0.0053 = buying its peer (BUNM) at 0.0113 which is 22.6 Times of current price 0.0005 or 5.95 Times of 52-week-high 0.0019!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than MDCE though NBVG is Much Much Much More Expensive than BUNM at peaks!
Nbvg should buy some more jail in order to accomode them
Me too. I wish to steal some Bottom shares at 52-week-low 0.0001 before NBVG spikes to 0.0053 ~ 0.0159 or higher price levels!
Anyway 0.0003 x 0.0004 now! We might see NBVG Quickly surge back to last-month-high 0.0053 again...
To match the Same market value with its peer (MDCE: 2.98B/8B shares OS/AS) at 0.03, NBVG will create a New 52-week high 0.0152 which is 50.67 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003 or 2.87 Times of current 52-week-high 0.0053!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Much Much Cheaper than MDCE now!
im collecting this lotto
17.4M-0.0002 x 1.8M-0.0004 now! The next bid is mere 10K-0.0001 v.s. the next ask is mere 10K-0.01! Will NBVG further crash down to 0.0002 ~ 0.0001 or reverse the trend up to the Penny Land? I'll hold all my hard-to-get shares for 0.0053 ~ 0.01.
Anyway who are those very stupid 0.0003 sellers since NBVG had most recently created Two New 52-week highs 0.0053 and 0.0035 respectively after it broke out February's 52-week-high 0.0011? Before today's sell-off 0.0004 had always been the New bottom support since NBVG created previous 52-week-high 0.0035 on May 13, 2021!
Note, 0.0053 = 17.67 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
Buying its peer (NOHO) at most recent high 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 23%-Higher than current joke low 52-week-high 0.0053!
Buying NOHO at today's high 0.0008 = buying NBVG at 0.0014 which is 4.67 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0003!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO!
Can we have a view something here
Wow, NBVG also has Very Toxic "Permanently Revoked" status besides Toxic "DTC Chill" status! So there is no business entity here at all! How could any potential shell buyer "buy" or "merger" with NBVG which is "Permanently Revoked" company with "DTC Chill" stock restriction?
Also I noticed the "Registered Agent" had already Resigned long time ago (on 03/08/2011)!
https://esos.nv.gov/EntitySearch/BusinessInformation
The "ACTIVE" officer (last updated on 12/09/2010) was "KENYATTO M JONES" and his address is "1350 E. FLAMINGO AVE, LAS VEGAS, NV, 89101, USA".
Anyway David Lazar etc. "Custodianship" experts might take over NBVG because it does not have active management to take care of company which is a ideal "Custodianship-Taking-Over" candidate! I bet a "Custodianship-Taking-Over" deal will kick in here very soon (before Sep. 28, 2021)...
Yes, with only 15M shares of Small trading volume NBVG was able to explode to 0.0035 from 0.0003 within only a couple of days! Which tells us how Super Thin the asks of Level2 were on May 13, 2021!
So with about 20M shares of Small trading volume this hidden gem can Easily And Quickly hit most recent New high 0.0053 again...
Buying its peer (NOHO: 10B shares Giant OS) at most recent high 0.0038 = buying NBVG at 0.0065 which is 13 Times of current ridiculous low price 0.0005!
Note, the New target price 0.0065 is 22.642%-Higher than current 52-week-high 0.0053!
So NBVG is Much Much Much Cheaper than NOHO now though NBVG (6B shares OS) is Much Much More Expensive than another peer PDMI (3B shares Low OS)!
Agreed shares held tightly and ask is usually very thin
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