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I have a few simple questions, if anyone here is qualified to discuss the subject here on this board.
I'd appreciate simple answers, because when it comes to this topic, I am in kindergarten. So imagine you are describing this alternate reality as if you are talking to a young child:
1. If you believe there is an "Illuminati" are you required to hate what Catholics stand for?
2. If you believe there is an "Illuminati" are you required to hate what Jews stand for?
3. If you believe there is an "Illuminati" are you required to hate what Masons stand for?
4. If you believe there is an "Illuminati" are you required to hate what Communists stand for?
5. If you believe in the "Illuminati" is there anyone's ideas that you are required to believe in? Whose ideas? What ideas?
Thank you in advance. I'm here to learn and would appreciate simple answers. Not a link to a book or a blog or some web site.
I know it's waiting to be implemented.
Very likely that the NAU is a done deal.
Here is a board I can get behind. Trouble is, very few realize that the NAU needs to be squashed first. The NWO really can't be implemented until the NAU is in place.
abraham lincoln and matin luther king were both
republicans....however history has made repulicans the bad guys. Even when you watch
the Simpsons Mr. Burns is known as the bad rich republican....yet democrats are the
richist in this country? How did that happen? N.W.O.??
"Thank you YouTuber! You have saved all our lives. You're my hero!" now that was funny, the last post on that video... lol... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Actually, Alex Jones (whom I consider the Sam Kinison of journalism) didn't really call it. He just repeated what Bill Cooper had said on his radio show "Hour of the Time". Bill Cooper actually did call it in June of 2001 I believe.
But that's another story....
alien-IQ, Look what is coming Oct 11th, 2009...
Where would this country, and the world for that matter, be today if more people throughout history had shared your sentiments?
You know Nitwit...sometimes you have to stand up for something rather than just lay down for everything.
Nothin' you can do about it...I on the other hand have my sources lol;)
Cause it has been going on forever... and nothing we can do bout' it... lolzzz... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Agreed Jim...not a conspiracy in the least...but most people can't be bothered figurin' it all out as it's better to enjoy their families/friends/lives than waste time tryin' to figure it all out when in the end whatever's gonna happen will happen right cheers;)
it could be entertaining if it wouldn't be true...
READ IT BEFORE IT'S BANNED BY THE US GOVERNMENT
PART 4
http://www.newswithviews.com/Horn/thomas103.htm
By Thomas R. Horn
May 12, 2009
What Every Christian Should Know About The New World Order.
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/sermonvideo.php
Dear Friends!
This morning I was listen to a Video sermon of Pastor Chuck Baldwin
and I am sending you the site,
scroll down to the 8th one from the top with the title:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/sermonvideo.php
God Bless you
What Every Christian Should Know About The New World Order.
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/sermonvideo.php
Dear Friends!
This morning I was listen to a Video sermon of Pastor Chuck Baldwin
and I am sending you the site,
scroll down to the 8th one from the top with the title:
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/sermonvideo.php
God Bless you
Don't turn your back on the wolfpack...excellent choice nitwit;)
Tearing Down the NWO Strongholds -
http://www.tearingdownstrongholds.com/
New World Order -
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/newworldindex.htm
Our Heritage Sold Out - Taking America Back -
Resist The New World Order -
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?page_id=1130
WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE -
Erica Carle
April 15, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
http://www.newswithviews.com/Erica/Carle152.htm
Sneaky change has been going on for decades.
Most people would not approve of the New World Order
management system if they had full knowledge of the
management goals.
But it is not easy to recognize the sneaky techniques
that are being used to destroy our Constitution and
national independence.
http://www.newswithviews.com/
http://www.newswithviews.com/Erica/Carle152.htm
NWO THEME SONG --->
Over 1000 cases of H1N1 worldwide now including 160 in the USA...don't let the dirty swines get ya lol:
"Supplies from CDC’s Division of the Strategic National Stockpile (SNS) are being sent to all 50 states and U.S. territories to help them respond to the outbreak. In addition, the Federal Government and manufacturers have begun the process of developing a vaccine against this new virus."
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/
The NWO is such an entertaining story to follow...Supriem Rockefeller & the rest of the power elitists have much more work to do.
And sure enough the WHO just announces they're no longer gonna be callin' it the Swine Flu...conspiracy theorists gonna luv that lol.
Crap they're talkin' about potential pandemic vaccines now! I've never taken a flu shot & sure won't be takin' any potential pandemic vaccines!
"...I have spent more than 15 years researching the Power Elite, a clique of super-wealthy bloodline families who have run this world behind the scenes since Antiquity. They are the cause to all the wars and upheaval that is happening in this world today and have been since ancient time. They are controlling the rest of us through occult-practicing secret societies, that keep the truth about their goals and our spiritual selves away from man. Their main goal, I have found out, is to establish a One World Government and a One World Currency with a world dictator, an Anti-Christ as the CEO, to rule the world with an iron fist after have micro-chipped the world population, the so-called “Mark of the Beast” from the Bible. To be able to buy and sell, you will have to have this microchip implanted, or you will starve to death or live out in the wilderness and totally take care of yourself. Although the latter may seem like a good alternative in that case, the World Government will not let that happen and will see to that people conform or die.
The microchip also has another function. This device will be monitored via satellites and attached to the chip will be a small circuit which is directly connected to a super-computer in space which will be able to control your thoughts and disable your spiritual growth. So once you accept the chip, you’re “theirs” and there is no way to escape or rebel anymore. “Big Brother” will always know where you are via the satellites and can decide what your thoughts may or may not contain.
The truth is that the Shadow Government, which I call The Brotherhood or the Power Elite, are just about to succeed in their plans and the last financial recession is one of the last nail in the coffin to ring in the One World Government.
This all sounds like doom and gloom, but there are solutions. There is no way, in my opinion, that we can fight this monster with force, so we have to take a spiritual path. That’s what I have stressed on the Illuminati News website, and that’s what I will stress here.
I will dedicate this blog to continue exposing the Brotherhood and try to give spiritual solutions to the problems as we go along.
Hope you will have an enlightening ride!
Wes Penre."
http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/letter-from-the-editor-1-introduction-to-this-blog/
Do Not Take A Swine Flu Vaccine!
by Patricia Doyle, PhD, to JeffRense.com, April 25, 2009
Published
http://battleofearth.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/do-not-take-a-swine-flu-vaccine/
The Swine flu could wipe out a 3rd of the planet according to some conspiracy theorists.
Very interesting:
Re: Wes Penre Blog Is Deleted/Gone!! Quote
[link to www.illuminati-news.com]
IMPORTANT UPDATE
APRIL 25, 2009:
I quickly had to pull the blog, Lucifer's Redemption yesterday evening and posted a last blog entry which explained why - or rather, as much as I can explain at the moment. I only kept it up for a couple of hours after I'd posted this last entry, so I am aware of that not everybody got the chance to read it, so here it is:
by Wes Penre, Friday April 24, 2009 at 7:23 PM
To all visitors! Like I've told you earlier, there is still information I haven't been able to release yet for various reasons. I hate to use this term, but in lack of a better: it is due to National Security, but this time in a positive way. Once again I want to remind you "old time visitors" of my honesty. And to all new visitors, who haven't followed my research from earlier, I can only say, I have always been honest and sincere in what I am doing.
I know that there will be people who won't trust me for making the following decision, but so be it. I have thought this over a lot the last few days before I came to the following conclusion, and once I made the decision a few hours ago, I feel that this is the right thing to do:
I need to pull this blog off the Internet temporarily. It has been a very tough decision to make, because this information is very important. Nevertheless, in the scheme of things I need to keep this information off the Internet for a little while. But don't worry, I will definitely be back on this subject in the very near future when time is right.
In the meantime, please go to [link to illuminati-news.com] (this page) in a day or two for further instructions. I will shortly create a new blog which will be an extension of the old Illuminati News website and keep updating it with further research, which at this time will not directly include information on Supriem.
I look forward to seeing you there, and I am very sorry I can't tell you more at this time. If I could I would, but this decision is for the best of us all.
I will keep this blog up for another couple of hours, so most people who are subscribing to the RSS feed (and others) get a chance to read this (too late now).
More about Supriem in the near future...
Thank you,
Wes
This Saturday morning on April 25, 2009, I started my new blog and posted my first article. The blog is called "Fighting for Planet Earth" and can be found here: [link to battleofearth.wordpress.com] I hope you will follow me there; it will be updated regularly with new information.
Take care,
Wes
AsperGirl
Illiterati
User ID: 658410
4/25/2009 2:41 PM
Re: Wes Penre Blog Is Deleted/Gone!! Quote
Mystery solved...
If I seem insensitive it's only 'cause I don't understand or care what others think.
lonefrog
User ID: 665183
4/26/2009 4:26 PM Re: Wes Penre Blog Is Deleted/Gone!! Quote
Mystery solved my ASS!!!
When you go from informing people that you will now strictly focus on a "certain subject" after 10+ years of research that has led you to this revalation, along with posting a separate article about your health and concerns of your saftey.
Then you do a complete 180 and go back to posting other peoples work from prison planet, rense, etc., etc. WTF. He also stated that if it came to fruition and he had his Lucifers Redemption site pulled that others were to get the information back on the net within 24 hours. Well, it has been 24 hours and his Supriem work has been substituted with the same old $#!7 that can be found on infowars.
and you dare to say mystery solved, either you are in love with yourself truly care not for research, or simply ignorant.
AsperGirl
Illiterati
User ID: 658410
4/26/2009 4:34 PM
Re: Wes Penre Blog Is Deleted/Gone!! Quote
Mystery solved my ASS!!!
When you go from informing people that you will now strictly focus on a "certain subject" after 10+ years of research that has led you to this revalation, along with posting a separate article about your health and concerns of your saftey.
Then you do a complete 180 and go back to posting other peoples work from prison planet, rense, etc., etc. WTF. He also stated that if it came to fruition and he had his Lucifers Redemption site pulled that others were to get the information back on the net within 24 hours. Well, it has been 24 hours and his Supriem work has been substituted with the same old $#!7 that can be found on infowars.
and you dare to say mystery solved, either you are in love with yourself truly care not for research, or simply ignorant.
Quoting: lonefrog 665183
I'm just ignorant of his whole story. Obviously there are deeper things going on than just his blog disappearing. Sorry.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message777517/pg1
Microscientists killed by the NWO
By 2005, we lost 40 micro-biologists in less than 4 years, all under suspicious circumstances, and during this time someone discovered that they were all working for the government, or government contractors, on projects related to bio-terrorism, flu pandemics, or anthrax. Obviously they weren’t trying to find a cure for anything, or there would be no need to silence them
100 DEAD SCIENTISTS MASTER LIST:
http://www.puppstheories.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6521
Here’s an interesting link:
http://www.legitgov.org/flu_oddities_shortnews.html
if you start at the bottom of the page and work your way up you’ll see a nice collection of news articles that document the entire process of creating and testing a flu bug that will wipe out millions of people.
(or at least that part of the process that's revealed to the public)
http://jollyrogerrevolution.blogspot.com/2009/04/if-you-sell-crack-join-gang-or-rob-mob.html
New World Order -
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/newworldindex.htm
Our Heritage Sold Out - Taking America Back -
Resist The New World Order -
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?page_id=1130
WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE -
Erica Carle
April 15, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
http://www.newswithviews.com/Erica/Carle152.htm
Sneaky change has been going on for decades. Most people would not approve of the New World Order management system if they had full knowledge of the management goals. But it is not easy to recognize the sneaky techniques that are being used to destroy our Constitution and national independence.
http://www.newswithviews.com/
For the New World Order management system to succeed, millions of people need to be recruited as activists, community organizers, and facilitators. The system uses those who will be affected by the New World Order to help bring it about. The idea is that people who participate in the process will have little to complain about in the future. In addition to children, college students, women, workers, and executives are targeted.
No matter what group is being used, members are told they are being trained to be leaders. The following example from my book, Why Things Are The Way They Are is from personal experience. In the meeting described, women, whether they were aware of it or not, were being trained for leadership in the New World Order.
One of my opportunities to observe the System engaged in its organizing work, and to play Red Rover with a System team trying to recruit me as a New World Order facilitator, was during the Bicentennial promotion in 1976. I attended and reported for WISCONSIN REPORT on a six-county conference for women held at the Milwaukee YWCA on May 19.
The meeting was a joint enterprise of the American Revolutionary Bicentennial Administration, the Governor's Commission on the Status of Women, and various women's organizations. Reservations were required, so Mary W., who was one of the leaders and also a local alderman, was aware before the conference that I would be there.
The morning meeting was used to train women to obtain and use lawyers, seize political power, write legislation, and write programs for federal grants. Since the System is based on using problems to gain power, women were also encouraged to work together toward setting up community resource centers to find and become involved in people's problems.
This session was followed by a luncheon at which various problems would be discussed. I had questions for some of the morning speakers so by the time I arrived at the luncheon most of the people were seated. Each table was set up for a discussion on a different subject. The table nearest the door had a sign on it saying 'EDUCATION'. Every seat at the table was occupied except the seat at the head. The women seemed to be watching me expectantly. I was about to seat myself when I noticed that the next table was also labeled 'EDUCATION'. There were several vacant seats at the side, so on the spur of the moment I decided to sit at the second table.
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A few moments later Mary came with an armful of packets. With a rather puzzled look she handed me one and asked if I would lead the discussion at my table. Being curious to see the contents, I happily obliged. Here were my scripted instructions:
"Congratulations! By virtue of the fact that you are sitting at the head of the table (I WAS NOT) you will lead the discussion.
DISCUSSION GUIDELINES:
(1) Introduce yourself and the resource person at your table.
(2) Appoint a recorder.
(3) Ask the resource person to cite what she considers to be the three or four greatest needs in this area.
(4) Ask if anyone else at the table sees any other current needs.
(5) Ask the recorder to review the list of needs for the group.
(6) Discuss these needs one at a time. Ask the participants to draw from their personal experience to suggest possible courses of action for each need.
(7) Pass sign-up sheets around the table to ask if participants would like to pursue further their interest in this subject.
(8) Ask the recorder to give her notes to Mary W.
Thank you very much for helping. Please distribute enclosed surveys and information sheets when you have finished discussing the issues."
I read the steps aloud to the people at my table (WHICH I SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE HAD I BEEN A PROPERLY-PROGRAMMED LEADER.) Then I turned to the woman to my left and introduced myself. She introduced herself and remarked that she had been at the meeting the night before when it was decided that I would be one of the discussion leaders.
I was stunned. I had been chosen to be a discussion leader, not in a casual manner because I seated myself at the head of the table, but by pre-planning. The System's programmed leaders expected that I would be less critical of their efforts, and might possibly join them if I became personally involved as a leader.
The first table had been set up and waiting for me. The women had filled every seat except the seat at the head of the table which would have made me the discussion leader had I taken it. They were playing "Red Rover, Red Rover, Let Erica come over." I foiled their original plan without realizing it by taking another seat, which was why Mary had looked puzzled when she passed out the leader packets. Although there was no chance their recruiting efforts would succeed, I would not have known of any pre-planning had I not made the last-minute switch, and had I not been told of the previous night's meeting by my new friend.
The women's conference was used to recruit programmed leaders for the WORld-Management System, to discover problems which might be used to hold groups together, and to convince women to become social activists for a System most of them did not understand or realize they were serving.
Why did more than 100 women become so involved in this subsidized WORMS promotion? They believed they were doing good, but in addition, they were made to feel important. Some, for the first time in their lives felt like movers, shakers, and problem solvers. Their looking-glass self was brilliant and aggressive. They found identity in group involvement. They had feelings of exaltation due to their participation in what they considered to be an important endeavor. It was a peak experience.
NOTE: Sneaky changes are an important ingredient in the effort to bring about the New World Order. Why Things Are The Way They Are reveals some of the sneaky changes in personality, education, and social conditions that are being used to bring about the New World Order. Learn to recognize sneaky changes and learn how they are being used to promote the New World Order.
Read Why Things Are The Way They Are.
Understanding past sneaky changes does help one understand the sneaky changes of the present and the future.
2009 Erica Carle - All Rights Reserved
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E-mail: ericacarle@sbcglobal.net
http://www.newswithviews.com/Erica/Carle152.htm
Yep. There is a reason GS paid so much for his campaign...
Our Heritage Sold Out - Taking America Back -
Resist The New World Order -
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/
http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?page_id=1130
WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE -
Erica Carle
April 15, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
http://www.newswithviews.com/Erica/Carle152.htm
Sneaky change has been going on for decades. Most people would not approve of the New World Order management system if they had full knowledge of the management goals. But it is not easy to recognize the sneaky techniques that are being used to destroy our Constitution and national independence.
http://www.newswithviews.com/
For the New World Order management system to succeed, millions of people need to be recruited as activists, community organizers, and facilitators. The system uses those who will be affected by the New World Order to help bring it about. The idea is that people who participate in the process will have little to complain about in the future. In addition to children, college students, women, workers, and executives are targeted.
No matter what group is being used, members are told they are being trained to be leaders. The following example from my book, Why Things Are The Way They Are is from personal experience. In the meeting described, women, whether they were aware of it or not, were being trained for leadership in the New World Order.
One of my opportunities to observe the System engaged in its organizing work, and to play Red Rover with a System team trying to recruit me as a New World Order facilitator, was during the Bicentennial promotion in 1976. I attended and reported for WISCONSIN REPORT on a six-county conference for women held at the Milwaukee YWCA on May 19.
The meeting was a joint enterprise of the American Revolutionary Bicentennial Administration, the Governor's Commission on the Status of Women, and various women's organizations. Reservations were required, so Mary W., who was one of the leaders and also a local alderman, was aware before the conference that I would be there.
The morning meeting was used to train women to obtain and use lawyers, seize political power, write legislation, and write programs for federal grants. Since the System is based on using problems to gain power, women were also encouraged to work together toward setting up community resource centers to find and become involved in people's problems.
This session was followed by a luncheon at which various problems would be discussed. I had questions for some of the morning speakers so by the time I arrived at the luncheon most of the people were seated. Each table was set up for a discussion on a different subject. The table nearest the door had a sign on it saying 'EDUCATION'. Every seat at the table was occupied except the seat at the head. The women seemed to be watching me expectantly. I was about to seat myself when I noticed that the next table was also labeled 'EDUCATION'. There were several vacant seats at the side, so on the spur of the moment I decided to sit at the second table.
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A few moments later Mary came with an armful of packets. With a rather puzzled look she handed me one and asked if I would lead the discussion at my table. Being curious to see the contents, I happily obliged. Here were my scripted instructions:
"Congratulations! By virtue of the fact that you are sitting at the head of the table (I WAS NOT) you will lead the discussion.
DISCUSSION GUIDELINES:
(1) Introduce yourself and the resource person at your table.
(2) Appoint a recorder.
(3) Ask the resource person to cite what she considers to be the three or four greatest needs in this area.
(4) Ask if anyone else at the table sees any other current needs.
(5) Ask the recorder to review the list of needs for the group.
(6) Discuss these needs one at a time. Ask the participants to draw from their personal experience to suggest possible courses of action for each need.
(7) Pass sign-up sheets around the table to ask if participants would like to pursue further their interest in this subject.
(8) Ask the recorder to give her notes to Mary W.
Thank you very much for helping. Please distribute enclosed surveys and information sheets when you have finished discussing the issues."
I read the steps aloud to the people at my table (WHICH I SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE HAD I BEEN A PROPERLY-PROGRAMMED LEADER.) Then I turned to the woman to my left and introduced myself. She introduced herself and remarked that she had been at the meeting the night before when it was decided that I would be one of the discussion leaders.
I was stunned. I had been chosen to be a discussion leader, not in a casual manner because I seated myself at the head of the table, but by pre-planning. The System's programmed leaders expected that I would be less critical of their efforts, and might possibly join them if I became personally involved as a leader.
The first table had been set up and waiting for me. The women had filled every seat except the seat at the head of the table which would have made me the discussion leader had I taken it. They were playing "Red Rover, Red Rover, Let Erica come over." I foiled their original plan without realizing it by taking another seat, which was why Mary had looked puzzled when she passed out the leader packets. Although there was no chance their recruiting efforts would succeed, I would not have known of any pre-planning had I not made the last-minute switch, and had I not been told of the previous night's meeting by my new friend.
The women's conference was used to recruit programmed leaders for the WORld-Management System, to discover problems which might be used to hold groups together, and to convince women to become social activists for a System most of them did not understand or realize they were serving.
Why did more than 100 women become so involved in this subsidized WORMS promotion? They believed they were doing good, but in addition, they were made to feel important. Some, for the first time in their lives felt like movers, shakers, and problem solvers. Their looking-glass self was brilliant and aggressive. They found identity in group involvement. They had feelings of exaltation due to their participation in what they considered to be an important endeavor. It was a peak experience.
NOTE: Sneaky changes are an important ingredient in the effort to bring about the New World Order. Why Things Are The Way They Are reveals some of the sneaky changes in personality, education, and social conditions that are being used to bring about the New World Order. Learn to recognize sneaky changes and learn how they are being used to promote the New World Order.
Read Why Things Are The Way They Are.
Understanding past sneaky changes does help one understand the sneaky changes of the present and the future.
2009 Erica Carle - All Rights Reserved
E-mail This Page
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Erica Carle is an independent researcher and writer. She has a B.S. degree from the University of Wisconsin. She has been involved in radio and television writing and production, and has also taught math and composition at the private school her children attended in Brookfield, Wisconsin. For ten years she wrote a weekly column, "Truth In Education" for WISCONSIN REPORT, and served as Education Editor for that publication.
E-mail: ericacarle@sbcglobal.net
http://www.newswithviews.com/Erica/Carle152.htm
Here's an interesting film series...not really NWO material but thought provoking nonetheless for those who really like diggin' deeper into the possible influences out there:
WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE -
Erica Carle
April 15, 2009
NewsWithViews.com
http://www.newswithviews.com/Erica/Carle152.htm
Sneaky change has been going on for decades. Most people would not approve of the New World Order management system if they had full knowledge of the management goals. But it is not easy to recognize the sneaky techniques that are being used to destroy our Constitution and national independence.
http://www.newswithviews.com/
For the New World Order management system to succeed, millions of people need to be recruited as activists, community organizers, and facilitators. The system uses those who will be affected by the New World Order to help bring it about. The idea is that people who participate in the process will have little to complain about in the future. In addition to children, college students, women, workers, and executives are targeted.
No matter what group is being used, members are told they are being trained to be leaders. The following example from my book, Why Things Are The Way They Are is from personal experience. In the meeting described, women, whether they were aware of it or not, were being trained for leadership in the New World Order.
One of my opportunities to observe the System engaged in its organizing work, and to play Red Rover with a System team trying to recruit me as a New World Order facilitator, was during the Bicentennial promotion in 1976. I attended and reported for WISCONSIN REPORT on a six-county conference for women held at the Milwaukee YWCA on May 19.
The meeting was a joint enterprise of the American Revolutionary Bicentennial Administration, the Governor's Commission on the Status of Women, and various women's organizations. Reservations were required, so Mary W., who was one of the leaders and also a local alderman, was aware before the conference that I would be there.
The morning meeting was used to train women to obtain and use lawyers, seize political power, write legislation, and write programs for federal grants. Since the System is based on using problems to gain power, women were also encouraged to work together toward setting up community resource centers to find and become involved in people's problems.
This session was followed by a luncheon at which various problems would be discussed. I had questions for some of the morning speakers so by the time I arrived at the luncheon most of the people were seated. Each table was set up for a discussion on a different subject. The table nearest the door had a sign on it saying 'EDUCATION'. Every seat at the table was occupied except the seat at the head. The women seemed to be watching me expectantly. I was about to seat myself when I noticed that the next table was also labeled 'EDUCATION'. There were several vacant seats at the side, so on the spur of the moment I decided to sit at the second table.
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A few moments later Mary came with an armful of packets. With a rather puzzled look she handed me one and asked if I would lead the discussion at my table. Being curious to see the contents, I happily obliged. Here were my scripted instructions:
"Congratulations! By virtue of the fact that you are sitting at the head of the table (I WAS NOT) you will lead the discussion.
DISCUSSION GUIDELINES:
(1) Introduce yourself and the resource person at your table.
(2) Appoint a recorder.
(3) Ask the resource person to cite what she considers to be the three or four greatest needs in this area.
(4) Ask if anyone else at the table sees any other current needs.
(5) Ask the recorder to review the list of needs for the group.
(6) Discuss these needs one at a time. Ask the participants to draw from their personal experience to suggest possible courses of action for each need.
(7) Pass sign-up sheets around the table to ask if participants would like to pursue further their interest in this subject.
(8) Ask the recorder to give her notes to Mary W.
Thank you very much for helping. Please distribute enclosed surveys and information sheets when you have finished discussing the issues."
I read the steps aloud to the people at my table (WHICH I SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE HAD I BEEN A PROPERLY-PROGRAMMED LEADER.) Then I turned to the woman to my left and introduced myself. She introduced herself and remarked that she had been at the meeting the night before when it was decided that I would be one of the discussion leaders.
I was stunned. I had been chosen to be a discussion leader, not in a casual manner because I seated myself at the head of the table, but by pre-planning. The System's programmed leaders expected that I would be less critical of their efforts, and might possibly join them if I became personally involved as a leader.
The first table had been set up and waiting for me. The women had filled every seat except the seat at the head of the table which would have made me the discussion leader had I taken it. They were playing "Red Rover, Red Rover, Let Erica come over." I foiled their original plan without realizing it by taking another seat, which was why Mary had looked puzzled when she passed out the leader packets. Although there was no chance their recruiting efforts would succeed, I would not have known of any pre-planning had I not made the last-minute switch, and had I not been told of the previous night's meeting by my new friend.
The women's conference was used to recruit programmed leaders for the WORld-Management System, to discover problems which might be used to hold groups together, and to convince women to become social activists for a System most of them did not understand or realize they were serving.
Why did more than 100 women become so involved in this subsidized WORMS promotion? They believed they were doing good, but in addition, they were made to feel important. Some, for the first time in their lives felt like movers, shakers, and problem solvers. Their looking-glass self was brilliant and aggressive. They found identity in group involvement. They had feelings of exaltation due to their participation in what they considered to be an important endeavor. It was a peak experience.
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BanditO'z 'New World Order' -
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
Barack Obama's New World Order -
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/88694
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599188951200
BOs NWO -
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/88693
Obamas greeted at NATO by chants of "Go home!"
Posted April 3rd, 2009 by paul4won
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7980835.stm
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/88624
Listen at the very beginning, then again about half way through.
Can we get a message to those folks that we don't want him here, either?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=36778530
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/
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Rothschild'z elitez > New World Order Illuminati Money 666Masters < -
Something I picked up on the internet.
UN & IMF Back Agenda For Global Financial Dictatorship -
http://www.prisonplanet.com/un-imf-back-agenda-for-global-financial-dictatorship.html
bailouts are 666blackmailz the US people robbed -
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Sad really.
I feel like we are giving are country to the u.n. and the central banks.
by buyittradeit thanks,
our Father God told you -
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everyone need view this interview !
"Fraud is deceit. And the essence of fraud is, "I create trust in you, and then I betray that trust, and get you to give me something of value." And as a result, there's no more effective acid against trust than fraud, especially fraud by top elites, and that's what we have." ~ William K. Black
Bill Moyers' Journal
April 3, 2009
"The financial industry brought the economy to its knees, but how did they get away with it? With the nation wondering how to hold the bankers accountable, Bill Moyers sits down with William K. Black, the former senior regulator who cracked down on banks during the savings and loan crisis of the 1980s. Black offers his analysis of what went wrong and his critique of the bailout."
Watch the entire interview and discussion here:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
and/or read it here:
Transcript:
April 3, 2009
BILL MOYERS: Welcome to the Journal.
For months now, revelations of the wholesale greed and blatant transgressions of Wall Street have reminded us that "The Best Way to Rob a Bank Is to Own One." In fact, the man you're about to meet wrote a book with just that title. It was based upon his experience as a tough regulator during one of the darkest chapters in our financial history: the savings and loan scandal in the late 1980s.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: These numbers as large as they are, vastly understate the problem of fraud.
BILL MOYERS: Bill Black was in New York this week for a conference at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice where scholars and journalists gathered to ask the question, "How do they get away with it?" Well, no one has asked that question more often than Bill Black.
The former Director of the Institute for Fraud Prevention now teaches Economics and Law at the University of Missouri, Kansas City. During the savings and loan crisis, it was Black who accused then-house speaker Jim Wright and five US Senators, including John Glenn and John McCain, of doing favors for the S&L's in exchange for contributions and other perks. The senators got off with a slap on the wrist, but so enraged was one of those bankers, Charles Keating — after whom the senate's so-called "Keating Five" were named — he sent a memo that read, in part, "get Black — kill him dead." Metaphorically, of course. Of course.
Now Black is focused on an even greater scandal, and he spares no one — not even the President he worked hard to elect, Barack Obama. But his main targets are the Wall Street barons, heirs of an earlier generation whose scandalous rip-offs of wealth back in the 1930s earned them comparison to Al Capone and the mob, and the nickname "banksters."
Bill Black, welcome to the Journal.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Thank you.
BILL MOYERS: I was taken with your candor at the conference here in New York to hear you say that this crisis we're going through, this economic and financial meltdown is driven by fraud. What's your definition of fraud?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Fraud is deceit. And the essence of fraud is, "I create trust in you, and then I betray that trust, and get you to give me something of value." And as a result, there's no more effective acid against trust than fraud, especially fraud by top elites, and that's what we have.
BILL MOYERS: In your book, you make it clear that calculated dishonesty by people in charge is at the heart of most large corporate failures and scandals, including, of course, the S&L, but is that true? Is that what you're saying here, that it was in the boardrooms and the CEO offices where this fraud began?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Absolutely.
BILL MOYERS: How did they do it? What do you mean?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, the way that you do it is to make really bad loans, because they pay better. Then you grow extremely rapidly, in other words, you're a Ponzi-like scheme. And the third thing you do is we call it leverage. That just means borrowing a lot of money, and the combination creates a situation where you have guaranteed record profits in the early years. That makes you rich, through the bonuses that modern executive compensation has produced. It also makes it inevitable that there's going to be a disaster down the road.
BILL MOYERS: So you're suggesting, saying that CEOs of some of these banks and mortgage firms in order to increase their own personal income, deliberately set out to make bad loans?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Yes.
BILL MOYERS: How do they get away with it? I mean, what about their own checks and balances in the company? What about their accounting divisions?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: All of those checks and balances report to the CEO, so if the CEO goes bad, all of the checks and balances are easily overcome. And the art form is not simply to defeat those internal controls, but to suborn them, to turn them into your greatest allies. And the bonus programs are exactly how you do that.
BILL MOYERS: If I wanted to go looking for the parties to this, with a good bird dog, where would you send me?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, that's exactly what hasn't happened. We haven't looked, all right? The Bush Administration essentially got rid of regulation, so if nobody was looking, you were able to do this with impunity and that's exactly what happened. Where would you look? You'd look at the specialty lenders. The lenders that did almost all of their work in the sub-prime and what's called Alt-A, liars' loans.
BILL MOYERS: Yeah. Liars' loans--
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Liars' loans.
BILL MOYERS: Why did they call them liars' loans?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Because they were liars' loans.
BILL MOYERS: And they knew it?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: They knew it. They knew that they were frauds.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Liars' loans mean that we don't check. You tell us what your income is. You tell us what your job is. You tell us what your assets are, and we agree to believe you. We won't check on any of those things. And by the way, you get a better deal if you inflate your income and your job history and your assets.
BILL MOYERS: You think they really said that to borrowers?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: We know that they said that to borrowers. In fact, they were also called, in the trade, ninja loans.
BILL MOYERS: Ninja?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Yeah, because no income verification, no job verification, no asset verification.
BILL MOYERS: You're talking about significant American companies.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Huge! One company produced as many losses as the entire Savings and Loan debacle.
BILL MOYERS: Which company?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: IndyMac specialized in making liars' loans. In 2006 alone, it sold $80 billion dollars of liars' loans to other companies. $80 billion.
BILL MOYERS: And was this happening exclusively in this sub-prime mortgage business?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: No, and that's a big part of the story as well. Even prime loans began to have non-verification. Even Ronald Reagan, you know, said, "Trust, but verify." They just gutted the verification process. We know that will produce enormous fraud, under economic theory, criminology theory, and two thousand years of life experience.
BILL MOYERS: Is it possible that these complex instruments were deliberately created so swindlers could exploit them?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Oh, absolutely. This stuff, the exotic stuff that you're talking about was created out of things like liars' loans, that were known to be extraordinarily bad. And now it was getting triple-A ratings. Now a triple-A rating is supposed to mean there is zero credit risk. So you take something that not only has significant, it has crushing risk. That's why it's toxic. And you create this fiction that it has zero risk. That itself, of course, is a fraudulent exercise. And again, there was nobody looking, during the Bush years. So finally, only a year ago, we started to have a Congressional investigation of some of these rating agencies, and it's scandalous what came out. What we know now is that the rating agencies never looked at a single loan file. When they finally did look, after the markets had completely collapsed, they found, and I'm quoting Fitch, the smallest of the rating agencies, "the results were disconcerting, in that there was the appearance of fraud in nearly every file we examined."
BILL MOYERS: So if your assumption is correct, your evidence is sound, the bank, the lending company, created a fraud. And the ratings agency that is supposed to test the value of these assets knowingly entered into the fraud. Both parties are committing fraud by intention.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Right, and the investment banker that — we call it pooling — puts together these bad mortgages, these liars' loans, and creates the toxic waste of these derivatives. All of them do that. And then they sell it to the world and the world just thinks because it has a triple-A rating it must actually be safe. Well, instead, there are 60 and 80 percent losses on these things, because of course they, in reality, are toxic waste.
BILL MOYERS: You're describing what Bernie Madoff did to a limited number of people. But you're saying it's systemic, a systemic Ponzi scheme.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Oh, Bernie was a piker. He doesn't even get into the front ranks of a Ponzi scheme...
BILL MOYERS: But you're saying our system became a Ponzi scheme.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Our system...
BILL MOYERS: Our financial system...
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Became a Ponzi scheme. Everybody was buying a pig in the poke. But they were buying a pig in the poke with a pretty pink ribbon, and the pink ribbon said, "Triple-A."
BILL MOYERS: Is there a law against liars' loans?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Not directly, but there, of course, many laws against fraud, and liars' loans are fraudulent.
BILL MOYERS: Because...
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Because they're not going to be repaid and because they had false representations. They involve deceit, which is the essence of fraud.
BILL MOYERS: Why is it so hard to prosecute? Why hasn't anyone been brought to justice over this?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Because they didn't even begin to investigate the major lenders until the market had actually collapsed, which is completely contrary to what we did successfully in the Savings and Loan crisis, right? Even while the institutions were reporting they were the most profitable savings and loan in America, we knew they were frauds. And we were moving to close them down. Here, the Justice Department, even though it very appropriately warned, in 2004, that there was an epidemic...
BILL MOYERS: Who did?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: The FBI publicly warned, in September 2004 that there was an epidemic of mortgage fraud, that if it was allowed to continue it would produce a crisis at least as large as the Savings and Loan debacle. And that they were going to make sure that they didn't let that happen. So what goes wrong? After 9/11, the attacks, the Justice Department transfers 500 white-collar specialists in the FBI to national terrorism. Well, we can all understand that. But then, the Bush administration refused to replace the missing 500 agents. So even today, again, as you say, this crisis is 1000 times worse, perhaps, certainly 100 times worse, than the Savings and Loan crisis. There are one-fifth as many FBI agents as worked the Savings and Loan crisis.
BILL MOYERS: You talk about the Bush administration. Of course, there's that famous photograph of some of the regulators in 2003, who come to a press conference with a chainsaw suggesting that they're going to slash, cut business loose from regulation, right?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, they succeeded. And in that picture, by the way, the other — three of the other guys with pruning shears are the...
BILL MOYERS: That's right.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: They're the trade representatives. They're the lobbyists for the bankers. And everybody's grinning. The government's working together with the industry to destroy regulation. Well, we now know what happens when you destroy regulation. You get the biggest financial calamity of anybody under the age of 80.
BILL MOYERS: But I can point you to statements by Larry Summers, who was then Bill Clinton's Secretary of the Treasury, or the other Clinton Secretary of the Treasury, Rubin. I can point you to suspects in both parties, right?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: There were two really big things, under the Clinton administration. One, they got rid of the law that came out of the real-world disasters of the Great Depression. We learned a lot of things in the Great Depression. And one is we had to separate what's called commercial banking from investment banking. That's the Glass-Steagall law. But we thought we were much smarter, supposedly. So we got rid of that law, and that was bipartisan. And the other thing is we passed a law, because there was a very good regulator, Brooksley Born, that everybody should know about and probably doesn't. She tried to do the right thing to regulate one of these exotic derivatives that you're talking about. We call them C.D.F.S. And Summers, Rubin, and Phil Gramm came together to say not only will we block this particular regulation. We will pass a law that says you can't regulate. And it's this type of derivative that is most involved in the AIG scandal. AIG all by itself, cost the same as the entire Savings and Loan debacle.
BILL MOYERS: What did AIG contribute? What did they do wrong?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: They made bad loans. Their type of loan was to sell a guarantee, right? And they charged a lot of fees up front. So, they booked a lot of income. Paid enormous bonuses. The bonuses we're thinking about now, they're much smaller than these bonuses that were also the product of accounting fraud. And they got very, very rich. But, of course, then they had guaranteed this toxic waste. These liars' loans. Well, we've just gone through why those toxic waste, those liars' loans, are going to have enormous losses. And so, you have to pay the guarantee on those enormous losses. And you go bankrupt. Except that you don't in the modern world, because you've come to the United States, and the taxpayers play the fool. Under Secretary Geithner and under Secretary Paulson before him... we took $5 billion dollars, for example, in U.S. taxpayer money. And sent it to a huge Swiss Bank called UBS. At the same time that that bank was defrauding the taxpayers of America. And we were bringing a criminal case against them. We eventually get them to pay a $780 million fine, but wait, we gave them $5 billion. So, the taxpayers of America paid the fine of a Swiss Bank. And why are we bailing out somebody who that is defrauding us?
BILL MOYERS: And why...
WILLIAM K. BLACK: How mad is this?
BILL MOYERS: What is your explanation for why the bankers who created this mess are still calling the shots?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, that, especially after what's just happened at G.M., that's... it's scandalous.
BILL MOYERS: Why are they firing the president of G.M. and not firing the head of all these banks that are involved?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: There are two reasons. One, they're much closer to the bankers. These are people from the banking industry. And they have a lot more sympathy. In fact, they're outright hostile to autoworkers, as you can see. They want to bash all of their contracts. But when they get to banking, they say, ‘contracts, sacred.' But the other element of your question is we don't want to change the bankers, because if we do, if we put honest people in, who didn't cause the problem, their first job would be to find the scope of the problem. And that would destroy the cover up.
BILL MOYERS: The cover up?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Sure. The cover up.
BILL MOYERS: That's a serious charge.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Of course.
BILL MOYERS: Who's covering up?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Geithner is charging, is covering up. Just like Paulson did before him. Geithner is publicly saying that it's going to take $2 trillion — a trillion is a thousand billion — $2 trillion taxpayer dollars to deal with this problem. But they're allowing all the banks to report that they're not only solvent, but fully capitalized. Both statements can't be true. It can't be that they need $2 trillion, because they have masses losses, and that they're fine.
These are all people who have failed. Paulson failed, Geithner failed. They were all promoted because they failed, not because...
BILL MOYERS: What do you mean?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, Geithner has, was one of our nation's top regulators, during the entire subprime scandal, that I just described. He took absolutely no effective action. He gave no warning. He did nothing in response to the FBI warning that there was an epidemic of fraud. All this pig in the poke stuff happened under him. So, in his phrase about legacy assets. Well he's a failed legacy regulator.
BILL MOYERS: But he denies that he was a regulator. Let me show you some of his testimony before Congress. Take a look at this.
TIMOTHY GEITHNER:I've never been a regulator, for better or worse. And I think you're right to say that we have to be very skeptical that regulation can solve all of these problems. We have parts of our system that are overwhelmed by regulation.
Overwhelmed by regulation! It wasn't the absence of regulation that was the problem, it was despite the presence of regulation you've got huge risks that build up.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, he may be right that he never regulated, but his job was to regulate. That was his mission statement.
BILL MOYERS: As?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: As president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, which is responsible for regulating most of the largest bank holding companies in America. And he's completely wrong that we had too much regulation in some of these areas. I mean, he gives no details, obviously. But that's just plain wrong.
BILL MOYERS: How is this happening? I mean why is it happening?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Until you get the facts, it's harder to blow all this up. And, of course, the entire strategy is to keep people from getting the facts.
BILL MOYERS: What facts?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: The facts about how bad the condition of the banks is. So, as long as I keep the old CEO who caused the problems, is he going to go vigorously around finding the problems? Finding the frauds?
BILL MOYERS: You--
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Taking away people's bonuses?
BILL MOYERS: To hear you say this is unusual because you supported Barack Obama, during the campaign. But you're seeming disillusioned now.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, certainly in the financial sphere, I am. I think, first, the policies are substantively bad. Second, I think they completely lack integrity. Third, they violate the rule of law. This is being done just like Secretary Paulson did it. In violation of the law. We adopted a law after the Savings and Loan crisis, called the Prompt Corrective Action Law. And it requires them to close these institutions. And they're refusing to obey the law.
BILL MOYERS: In other words, they could have closed these banks without nationalizing them?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, you do a receivership. No one -- Ronald Reagan did receiverships. Nobody called it nationalization.
BILL MOYERS: And that's a law?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: That's the law.
BILL MOYERS: So, Paulson could have done this? Geithner could do this?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Not could. Was mandated--
BILL MOYERS: By the law.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: By the law.
BILL MOYERS: This law, you're talking about.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Yes.
BILL MOYERS: What the reason they give for not doing it?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: They ignore it. And nobody calls them on it.
BILL MOYERS: Well, where's Congress? Where's the press? Where--
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, where's the Pecora investigation?
BILL MOYERS: The what?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: The Pecora investigation. The Great Depression, we said, "Hey, we have to learn the facts. What caused this disaster, so that we can take steps, like pass the Glass-Steagall law, that will prevent future disasters?" Where's our investigation?
What would happen if after a plane crashes, we said, "Oh, we don't want to look in the past. We want to be forward looking. Many people might have been, you know, we don't want to pass blame. No. We have a nonpartisan, skilled inquiry. We spend lots of money on, get really bright people. And we find out, to the best of our ability, what caused every single major plane crash in America. And because of that, aviation has an extraordinarily good safety record. We ought to follow the same policies in the financial sphere. We have to find out what caused the disasters, or we will keep reliving them. And here, we've got a double tragedy. It isn't just that we are failing to learn from the mistakes of the past. We're failing to learn from the successes of the past.
BILL MOYERS: What do you mean?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: In the Savings and Loan debacle, we developed excellent ways for dealing with the frauds, and for dealing with the failed institutions. And for 15 years after the Savings and Loan crisis, didn't matter which party was in power, the U.S. Treasury Secretary would fly over to Tokyo and tell the Japanese, "You ought to do things the way we did in the Savings and Loan crisis, because it worked really well. Instead you're covering up the bank losses, because you know, you say you need confidence. And so, we have to lie to the people to create confidence. And it doesn't work. You will cause your recession to continue and continue." And the Japanese call it the lost decade. That was the result. So, now we get in trouble, and what do we do? We adopt the Japanese approach of lying about the assets. And you know what? It's working just as well as it did in Japan.
BILL MOYERS: Yeah. Are you saying that Timothy Geithner, the Secretary of the Treasury, and others in the administration, with the banks, are engaged in a cover up to keep us from knowing what went wrong?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Absolutely.
BILL MOYERS: You are.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Absolutely, because they are scared to death. All right? They're scared to death of a collapse. They're afraid that if they admit the truth, that many of the large banks are insolvent. They think Americans are a bunch of cowards, and that we'll run screaming to the exits. And we won't rely on deposit insurance. And, by the way, you can rely on deposit insurance. And it's foolishness. All right? Now, it may be worse than that. You can impute more cynical motives. But I think they are sincerely just panicked about, "We just can't let the big banks fail." That's wrong.
BILL MOYERS: But what might happen, at this point, if in fact they keep from us the true health of the banks?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, then the banks will, as they did in Japan, either stay enormously weak, or Treasury will be forced to increasingly absurd giveaways of taxpayer money. We've seen how horrific AIG -- and remember, they kept secrets from everyone.
BILL MOYERS: A.I.G. did?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: What we're doing with -- no, Treasury and both administrations. The Bush administration and now the Obama administration kept secret from us what was being done with AIG. AIG was being used secretly to bail out favored banks like UBS and like Goldman Sachs. Secretary Paulson's firm, that he had come from being CEO. It got the largest amount of money. $12.9 billion. And they didn't want us to know that. And it was only Congressional pressure, and not Congressional pressure, by the way, on Geithner, but Congressional pressure on AIG.
Where Congress said, "We will not give you a single penny more unless we know who received the money." And, you know, when he was Treasury Secretary, Paulson created a recommendation group to tell Treasury what they ought to do with AIG. And he put Goldman Sachs on it.
BILL MOYERS: Even though Goldman Sachs had a big vested stake.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Massive stake. And even though he had just been CEO of Goldman Sachs before becoming Treasury Secretary. Now, in most stages in American history, that would be a scandal of such proportions that he wouldn't be allowed in civilized society.
BILL MOYERS: Yeah, like a conflict of interest, it seems.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Massive conflict of interests.
BILL MOYERS: So, how did he get away with it?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: I don't know whether we've lost our capability of outrage. Or whether the cover up has been so successful that people just don't have the facts to react to it.
BILL MOYERS: Who's going to get the facts?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: We need some chairmen or chairwomen--
BILL MOYERS: In Congress.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: --in Congress, to hold the necessary hearings. And we can blast this out. But if you leave the failed CEOs in place, it isn't just that they're terrible business people, though they are. It isn't just that they lack integrity, though they do. Because they were engaged in these frauds. But they're not going to disclose the truth about the assets.
BILL MOYERS: And we have to know that, in order to know what?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: To know everything. To know who committed the frauds. Whose bonuses we should recover. How much the assets are worth. How much they should be sold for. Is the bank insolvent, such that we should resolve it in this way? It's the predicate, right? You need to know the facts to make intelligent decisions. And they're deliberately leaving in place the people that caused the problem, because they don't want the facts. And this is not new. The Reagan Administration's central priority, at all times, during the Savings and Loan crisis, was covering up the losses.
BILL MOYERS: So, you're saying that people in power, political power, and financial power, act in concert when their own behinds are in the ringer, right?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: That's right. And it's particularly a crisis that brings this out, because then the class of the banker says, "You've got to keep the information away from the public or everything will collapse. If they understand how bad it is, they'll run for the exits."
BILL MOYERS: Yeah, and this week in New York, at this conference, you described this as more than a financial crisis. You called it a moral crisis.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Yes.
BILL MOYERS: Why?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Because it is a fundamental lack of integrity. But also because, if you look back at crises, an economist who is also a presidential appointee, as a regulator in the Savings and Loan industry, right here in New York, Larry White, wrote a book about the Savings and Loan crisis. And he said, you know, one of the most interesting questions is why so few people engaged in fraud? Because objectively, you could have gotten away with it. But only about ten percent of the CEOs, engaged in fraud. So, 90 percent of them were restrained by ethics and integrity. So, far more than law or by F.B.I. agents, it's our integrity that often prevents the greatest abuses. And what we had in this crisis, instead of the Savings and Loan, is the most elite institutions in America engaging or facilitating fraud.
BILL MOYERS: This wound that you say has been inflicted on American life. The loss of worker's income. And security and pensions and future happened, because of the misconduct of a relatively few, very well-heeled people, in very well-decorated corporate suites, right?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Right.
BILL MOYERS: It was relatively a handful of people.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: And their ideologies, which swept away regulation. So, in the example, regulation means that cheaters don't prosper. So, instead of being bad for capitalism, it's what saves capitalism. "Honest purveyors prosper" is what we want. And you need regulation and law enforcement to be able to do this. The tragedy of this crisis is it didn't need to happen at all.
BILL MOYERS: When you wake in the middle of the night, thinking about your work, what do you make of that? What do you tell yourself?
WILLIAM K. BLACK: There's a saying that we took great comfort in. It's actually by the Dutch, who were fighting this impossible war for independence against what was then the most powerful nation in the world, Spain. And their motto was, "It is not necessary to hope in order to persevere."
Now, going forward, get rid of the people that have caused the problems. That's a pretty straightforward thing, as well. Why would we keep CEOs and CFOs and other senior officers, that caused the problems? That's facially nuts. That's our current system.
So stop that current system. We're hiding the losses, instead of trying to find out the real losses. Stop that, because you need good information to make good decisions, right? Follow what works instead of what's failed. Start appointing people who have records of success, instead of records of failure. That would be another nice place to start. There are lots of things we can do. Even today, as late as it is. Even though they've had a terrible start to the administration. They could change, and they could change within weeks. And by the way, the folks who are the better regulators, they paid their taxes. So, you can get them through the vetting process a lot quicker.
BILL MOYERS: William Black, thank you very much for being with me on the Journal.
WILLIAM K. BLACK: Thank you so much.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04032009/watch.html
This plan for a one world government and control of all people has been in the works since the time of Christ. It is all by design, and the apathy of voters returning the same ol, each time, helps. America has been dumbed down, and this is what we got for it.
Sad really.
I feel like we are giving are country to the u.n. and the central banks.
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Obamas greeted at NATO by chants of "Go home!"
Posted April 3rd, 2009 by paul4won
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7980835.stm
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/88624
Listen at the very beginning, then again about half way through.
Can we get a message to those folks that we don't want him here, either?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=36778530
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G-20 Shapes New World Order With Lesser Role for U.S., Markets
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By Rich Miller and Simon Kennedy
April 3 (Bloomberg) -- Global leaders took their biggest steps yet toward a new world order that’s less U.S.-centric with a more heavily regulated financial industry and a greater role for international institutions and emerging markets.
At the end of a summit in London, policy makers from the Group of 20 yesterday delivered a regulatory blueprint that French President Nicholas Sarkozy said turned the page on the Anglo-Saxon model of free markets by placing stricter limits on hedge funds and other financiers. The leaders also pledged to triple the resources of the International Monetary Fund and to hand China and other developing economies a greater say in the management of the world economy.
“It’s the passing of an era,” said Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International, who helped prepare summits for presidents Gerald R. Ford, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan. “The U.S. is becoming less dominant while other nations are gaining influence.”
A lot was at stake. If the leaders had failed to forge a consensus -- Sarkozy this week threatened to quit the talks if they didn’t back much tighter regulation -- it might have set back the world’s economy and markets just as they’re showing signs of shaking off the worst financial crisis in six decades.
That’s what happened in 1933, when President Franklin D. Roosevelt torpedoed a similar conference in London by rejecting its plan to stabilize currency rates and in the process scotched international efforts to lift the world out of a depression.
More Conciliation
Seeking to avoid a repeat of that historic flop, President Barack Obama junked the at-times go-it-alone approach of his predecessor, George W. Bush, and adopted a more conciliatory stance toward his fellow leaders.
“In a world that is as complex as it is, it is very important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions,” Obama told a press conference at the conclusion of the summit.
Stock markets rose in response to the steps taken by the G-20 leaders. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index climbed 2.9 percent to 834.38. The Dow Jones Industrial Average added 216.48 points, or 2.8 percent, to 7,978.08. Both closed at their highest levels since the second week of February.
In an effort to promote harmony, Obama soft-pedaled earlier U.S. demands that the summit agree on a specific target for fiscal stimulus in the face of opposition from France and Germany. Instead, he settled for a vague pledge that the leaders would do whatever it takes to revive the global economy.
Repudiation of Past
The president also signed on to a communiqué that Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz said repudiated the previous U.S.-led push to free capitalism from the constraints of governments.
“This is a major step forward and a reversal of the ideology of the 1990s, and at a very official level, a rejection of the ideas pushed by the U.S. and others,” said Stiglitz, an economics professor at Columbia University. “It’s a historic moment when the world came together and said we were wrong to push deregulation.”
In bowing to that view, the leaders conceded in a statement that “major failures” in regulation had been “fundamental causes” of the market turmoil they are trying to tackle. To make amends and to try to avoid a repeat of the crisis, they pledged to impose stronger restraints on hedge funds, credit rating companies, risk-taking and executive pay.
“Countries that used to defend deregulation at any cost are recognizing that there needs to be a larger state presence so this crisis never happens again,” said Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
Financial Stability Board
A new Financial Stability Board will be established to unite regulators and join the IMF in providing early warnings of potential threats. Once the economy recovers, work will begin on new rules aimed at avoiding excessive leverage and forcing banks to put more money aside during good times.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who had unsuccessfully sought to convince the U.S. and Britain to sign on to similar steps before the crisis began in mid-2007, hailed the communiqué as a “victory for common sense.”
The U.S. did, though, take the lead in getting the summit to agree on an increase in IMF rescue funds to $750 billion from $250 billion now. Japan, the European Union and China will provide the first $250 billion of the increase, with the balance to come from as yet unidentified countries.
“This will provide the IMF with enough resources to meet the needs of East European nations and also provide back-up funding to a broader set of countries,” said Brad Setser, a former U.S. Treasury official who’s now at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.
IMF Allocation
The G-20 also agreed to an allocation of $250 billion in Special Drawing Rights, the artificial currency that the IMF uses to settle accounts among its member nations. The move is akin to a central bank such as the Federal Reserve effectively creating money out of thin air, except it’s on a global scale.
The increase in Special Drawing Rights will allow countries to tap IMF money without having to accept changes to economic policies often demanded as a condition of aid. The cash is disbursed in proportion to the money each member-nation pays into the fund. Rich nations will be allowed to divert their allocations to countries in greater need.
The G-20 said they would couple the financing moves with steps to give emerging economic powerhouses such as China, India and Brazil a greater say in how the IMF is run.
Emerging Markets Benefit
Citigroup Inc. economists Don Hanna and Jurgen Michels called the summit agreement “a boon to emerging markets” in a note to clients yesterday.
Mexico said Wednesday it will seek $47 billion from the IMF under the Washington-based lender’s new Flexible Credit Line, which allows some countries to borrow money with no conditions.
Emerging-market stocks, bonds and currencies rallied yesterday on speculation other developing nations will follow Mexico’s lead. Gains in Polish, Czech and Brazilian stocks helped push the MSCI Emerging Markets Index up 5.6 percent to 613.07, the highest since Oct. 15.
In a bid to avoid another mistake of the depression era, G-20 leaders repeated an earlier pledge to avoid trade protectionism and beggar-thy-neighbor policies that could aggravate the decline in the global economy.
The Paris-based Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development predicted this week that global trade will shrink 13 percent this year as loss-ridden banks cut back on credit to exporters and importers.
Trade Finance
To help combat that, the G-20 said they will make at least $250 billion available in the next two years to support the finance of trade through export credit agencies and development banks such as the World Bank.
The summit took place amid speculation among investors that the deepest global recession in six decades may be abating. Data released yesterday showed orders placed with U.S. factories rose in February for the first time in seven months, U.K. house prices unexpectedly gained in March and Chinese manufacturing increased. Still, a report today is forecast to show U.S. unemployment at its highest in a quarter-century.
“If the economy turns more favorable, this meeting will probably be viewed as a milestone,” said C. Fred Bergsten, a former U.S. official and director of the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington.
The G-20 members are Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Mexico, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Turkey, the U.S., the U.K. and the European Union. Officials from Spain and the Netherlands were also present.
To contact the reporters on this story: Rich Miller in Washington rmiller28@bloomberg.net; Simon Kennedy in Paris at
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An Overview
By Ken Adachi <Editor@educate-yourself.org>
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Introduction
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There is a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an extremely powerful and influential group of genetically-related individuals (at least at the highest echelons) which include many of the world's wealthiest people, top political leaders, and corporate elite, as well as members of the so-called Black Nobility of Europe (dominated by the British Crown) whose goal is to create a One World (fascist) Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that is obedient to their agenda. Their intention is to effect complete and total control over every human being on the planet and to dramatically reduce the world's population by 5.5 Billion people. While the name New World Order is a term frequently used today when referring to this group, it's more useful to identify the principal organizations, institutions, and individuals who make up this vast interlocking spiderweb of elite conspirators.
The Illuminati is the oldest term commonly used to refer to the 13 bloodline families (and their offshoots) that make up a major portion of this controlling elite. Most members of the Illuminati are also members in the highest ranks of numerous secretive and occult societies which in many cases extend straight back into the ancient world. The upper levels of the tightly compartmentalized (need-to-know-basis) Illuminati structural pyramid include planning committees and organizations that the public has little or no knowledge of. The upper levels of the Illuminati pyramid include secretive committees with names such as: the Council of 3, the Council of 5, the Council of 7, the Council of 9, the Council of 13, the Council of 33, the Grand Druid Council, the Committee of 300 (also called the "Olympians") and the Committee of 500 among others.
In 1992, Dr John Coleman published Conspirators' Hierarchy: The Story of the Committee of 300. With laudable scholarship and meticulous research, Dr Coleman identifies the players and carefully details the Illuminati agenda of worldwide domination and control. On page 161 of the Conspirators Hierarchy, Dr Coleman accurately summarizes the intent and purpose of the Committee of 300 as follows:
"A One World Government and one-unit monetary system, under permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchists who self-select from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system as it was in the Middle Ages. In this One World entity, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars, famines, until 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class, in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the total world population...
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Endgame Trailer by Alex Jones
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Free e book, take a look at this. Good stuff here. Paul http://www.dejanlucic.net/images/pdf/Terrorism_Illuminati.pdf
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If anyone is interested on how this country is run through the federal reserve and who pulls are strings. It's all in the book, The Creature from Jekyll Island, by G. Edward Griffin. An excellent read on how the banks control the world.
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