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such bs they come back with. this is why our justice system sux. there guilty lets end it. sheasby even has the confidence give them another trial and we'll kick their scum ass again. but as always another friggin delay. they have no license !
New doc drop for BOC trial
Case 8:20-cv-00993-MCS-ADS Document 589 Filed 06/21/24
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923.589.0.pdf
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE that that, pursuant to Federal Rules of Civil
Procedure 37, 16, and the Court’s statements at trial and inherent authority, on
August 26, 2024, at 9:00 a.m., or as soon thereafter as this matter may be heard, in
Courtroom 7C of the United States District Court for the Central District of
California, located at 350 W. 1st Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012, Defendant
Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. (“Samsung”) will and hereby does move the Court to
set an evidentiary hearing regarding Netlist’s compliance with its discovery
obligations and failure to produce relevant documents during discovery, and to
grant Samsung leave to take limited discovery in connection therewith.
The Court should set an evidentiary hearing and grant leave for limited
discovery because (1) Netlist withheld relevant discovery, which Netlist then
attempted to use at trial—without disclosing to Samsung or the Court that it had not
been produced in the case; (2) in light of Samsung’s subsequent investigation, it is
clear that, both in 2021 during discovery and at the 2024 trial, Netlist
misrepresented to the Court the scope and adequacy of its discovery efforts; and (3)
only limited discovery followed by an evidentiary hearing will enable the Court to
fully assess the extent of Netlist’s misconduct and appropriate remedy.
older article 2022, be nice if sk would give us a plug now and then............ Continuing to Make HBM History: The Story of SK hynix’s HBM Development
https://news.skhynix.com/the-story-of-sk-hynixs-hbm-development/
$NLST SK hynix speeds up HBM development: HBM4 in 2025 and HBM4E now coming in 2026
SK hynix expediting its HBM roadmap: HBM4 originally planned for mass production in 2026, fast-tracked to 2025, while HBM4E is coming in 2026. SK hynix is expediting its HBM roadmap that includes HBM4 and HBM4E memory, which were originally planned for mass production in 2026 and 2027, respectively.
Now, the timelines have been moved up, and HBM4 is set for mass production in 2025, while HBM4E will enter mass production in 2026, according to sources from Business Korea. The adjustments "align" with NVIDIA's accelerated AI accelerator release cycle, which has shortened from two years to one year.
HBM4 offers a huge 40% increase in bandwidth, a reduced power consumption of a rather incredible 70% to HBM3E, the fastest memory in the world. HBM4 density will be 1.3x higher, ... the leap in performance and efficiency is a key driver in NVIDIA's continued AI GPU dominance.
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/98924/sk-hynix-speeds-up-hbm-development-hbm4-in-2025-and-hbm4e-now-coming-2026/index.html
yo hong !!!! wanna make a few billion the old fashioned way ??? tell them buy yours, no problem with heat issues or power consumption, and sk will make it for ya. it dont get any simpler......
https://www.sammobile.com/news/nvidia-confirms-samsungs-high-bandwidth-memory-is-still-being-tested/
look whose still saying samscums stolen tec still doesnt work.... NVIDIA confirms Samsung’s high-bandwidth memory is still being tested
https://www.sammobile.com/news/nvidia-confirms-samsungs-high-bandwidth-memory-is-still-being-tested/
I agree. It certainly does. But what we think pretty much does not matter. It's what the Appeals court thinks.
Yes, I agree - It looks like Samsung missed the opportunity to raise the issue at court the day it happened. But they DID file that document that raised the issue, before the jury was handed the case. If there's any validity to the matter, it certainly seems like Scarsi should have looked into it. Possibly he did and dismissed it out of hand. Why he would do that, I don't know. But he did nothing and the Appeals court will look at it.
today will be a good day, Post-trial motions will be due on June 21, 2024; i luv when we're in court action!!!
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923.588.0.pdf
Stokd
Yesterday 8:20 PM
$NLST That was quick...parties filed their — STIPULATION REGARDING POST-TRIAL BRIEFING SCHEDULE — in the BOC case.
"Following the jury’s return of a verdict at the conclusion of the recent trial, the Court asked the parties to “confer on a schedule for post-trial motions.” Trial Tr. at 886:14-17. The parties hereby agree to the following schedule:"
Link to full doc below--- https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923.588.0.pdf
Today's article — of course our $445 million win in Micron 294 trial involving the 912 patent made the list....and I wonder if they're hinting/😉/expecting that the verdict "in the billions" comes from our upcoming Samsung 293 trial which also involves the 912 patent. Reason being Samsung's production/use is 2-3 times more than Micron's.
“Will the spurt of mega-verdicts in recent months continue as we move into summer? Keep an eye out for more nine-figure verdicts, and possibly even some in the billions.”
https://ipwatchdog.com/2024/06/20/mid-year-review-prominent-patent-verdicts/id=177852/
they'll throw it out because whatever that optional questioning scum would of used still wouldnt of effected the jurys verdict, fuck them.......
unreal lol !!! under handed and peeing on the tab !!!
how can something that is non-obvious all of a sudden become obvious? because you only paid for it to be patented, not protected. whatta ya want, its peetab gillgan, jurgeons lotion in need of a big mac, and kathy i need to be in prison vidal.
cafc straightens all this out.......
my personal nature has a hard time dealing with their contradictorily protocol as well. how can an inept governmental agency even be allowed to play a roll in our judicial system is just plain obscene, yet we gotta put up with it..........
This is what Samsung is basing its request for an evidentiary hearing in the BOC case.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923.544.0.pdf
Samsung is claiming that Netlist admitted it produced a document - and questioned a witness using this document - that was not included in the list of official trial exhibits. Samsung claims that Netlist has admitted that they failed to include this document as part of the trial exhibits, and that Netlist should be sanctioned for doing so.
Samsung said: "Had Samsung known about the document, it would have conducted further investigation into this issue, and would have adjusted its line of questioning at trial as needed".
Another new file drop for the BOC case -
Case 8:20-cv-00993-MCS-ADS Document 588 Filed 06/20/24
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923.588.0.pdf
Following the jury’s return of a verdict at the conclusion of the recent trial, the
Court asked the parties to “confer on a schedule for post-trial motions.” Trial Tr. at
886:14-17. The parties hereby agree to the following schedule:
? Post-trial motions will be due on June 21, 2024;
? Oppositions to post-trial motions will be due on July 19, 2024;
? Replies to post-trial motions will be due on August 2, 2024.
Netlist’s Additional Statement: The parties agreed to the above schedule in
writing on May 30. On June 19, Samsung announced that it may seek additional
rounds of post-trial motions based on the outcome of what it describes as an
“evidentiary hearing.” At no time did Samsung ever disclose this strategy. It has no
basis in the Federal Rules. The only evidentiary hearing that the court contemplated
was in connection with the motion for Rule 37 sanctions that Samsung filed during
trial regarding RFP No. 3, which requires notice and opportunity to be heard by Netlist
(i.e., an evidentiary hearing) on whether Netlist complied with the agreed upon scope
of RFP No. 3. However, at this stage the Court need not resolve these issues, as the
parties are simply jointly requesting entry of their agreed schedule. Any attempt by
Samsung to file additional motions can be addressed when and if it occurs.
Samsung’s Additional Statement:
At trial, counsel for Netlist suggested (Trial Tr. at 605:24-606:25) and the Court agreed (id. at 806:9-21) that an evidentiary
hearing would be the appropriate process to address a serious issue that arose during
trial regarding Netlist’s compliance with its discovery obligations. Following that
direction, one of the motions Samsung intends to file requests such a hearing and
limited discovery in connection with that hearing. The parties met and conferred
regarding this issue and the scheduling of post-trial motions on May 28, 2024. At that
time, Samsung advised Netlist of the grounds for the requested hearing and discovery,
as well as the possibility of seeking a new trial based on the outcome of that hearing.
This was confirmed in a May 31, 2024 email to Netlist. Rather than delay briefing
on Samsung’s motion for judgment as a matter of law and motion for a new trial under
Rules 50 and 59 until after the evidentiary hearing, Samsung proposed filing its
motion under Rules 50 and 59 concurrent with the motion for an evidentiary hearing,
and then filing a supplemental request for a new trial, if warranted by the results of
the evidentiary hearing. However, if the Court would prefer to have the motion under
Rules 50 and 59 briefed together with any potential grounds arising out of the
evidentiary hearing, Samsung is happy to proceed on that basis.
Dated: June 20, 2024 Counsel for Plaintiff
/s/ Jason Sheasb
$NLST how can something that is non-obvious all of a sudden become obvious?
The five primary requirements for patentability are: (1) patentable subject matter; (2) utility; (3) novelty; (4) non-obviousness; and (5) enablement. Like trademarks, patents are territorial, meaning they are enforceable in a specific geographic area.
i forgot to mention, today is the first day i didnt even look at or notice the pps till after the market. we are a multi billion dollar company.
it is so ordered, eom.
Breach of Contract case - New filing
Case 8:20-cv-00993-MCS-ADS Document 587 Filed 06/20/24
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923/gov.uscourts.cacd.783923.587.0.pdf
either lol
before or after the naz ??? i said it before and i'll say it again, the only time this stock is fun is when we are in court !!!
To heck with making deals, do a 5-1 forward split everyone would have 5 times as many shares we'd all feel much better and then we could all wait out the suits lol And I'd let the dawgs out.
As far as what Hong does personally, he does take the opportunity and sells shares to take care of himself - more often than we'd like.
if i knew hong was attempting to make these deals i'd feel even better about him doing his job, and buying gail shoes !!!
oh wo are we..........tictictic......lol
And so we wait lol
i'm done pitching the idea. some of the responses i'm getting arent getting interpreted correctly or out of context and i hate typing. alls i'm talking about is getting nvda the working tec from nlst through sk, instead they are having problems with scums tec which isnt reverse engineered properly and isnt working. one guy texts me.............
There’s nothing for them to buy that they’re not already getting from SK.
Maybe they should buy SK and then strike an exclusive deal for our technology and put Sammy and Micron out of the memory biz?
duhhhhhhhhhh............. buy nlst's product through sk that does work. dont buy anything through sk that involves scamscum. we already know their buying off them, its just not us. whats there to get !!!!
Hey give it to Stokds they all know everyone I think its a great Idea.🙂
cant help the way my mind works. your suppose to take opportunities as they come when there beneficial in over all matters such as this. why wait when you at least have a shot at immediate income with a huge on fire company that will spend money your way !!!. all the rest will play out, so why wait for total litigation resolve if you can grow stronger before its finalization.
buy at .81 like box says !!! that is stupid not to approach nvda a sell them this deal.
screw that, its a given and i accept that. my point is, yo hong!!! jump on this now and get the contract.
if i could i would. ir is bs. i need hongs email, but then again he should already be doing this. how can he not know whats going on in his market field.
thx but in regards to that post. the last paragraph or so under the line is something hong should do. just approach nvda and tell them we'll make a deal with you for the stuff there stealing from us and ours works now as in today. is it just too simple to work ???
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now i say nlst should approach nvda very soon and just say we'll sell you the stuff you need your trying to get from scamsung for the same price and sk will make it. there stealing it from us and it doesnt work. what do you expect from them, we already have it and it will work today if you want to see. bingo!!!!! billion dollar deal for starters, so why dont they do it ? i see no way it would hurt our litigation. in fact it would probably put an unexpected quicker resolve to all of it. then smack the shit out of google and get this over with and we're on the naz, lol nvda buying from us alone is worth a nazdag uplisting. mainstream, in the news, selling legitimate product while getting press for battling the monster which would now be public news, meaning most importantly the funds that will be buying us once on the naz will already know the possible future numbers and they will give us the bid support to keep it flowingly along as those big numbers are expected to come with our great pe multiplier, lol !!! funny how every sector has one and i can never remember one of them !!!! but i do believe ours is at least double digits easy............ i'm just tired of waiting through a system that is not honest............
TOMKiLA $NLST this is math! Samsung expects to see an increase of 13.8 times HBM shipment IN 2026.
•Royalties from $122.8M to $1.7b in 2026!
“At the conference, Samsung unveiled its HMB roadmap, which envisions 13.8 times more HBM shipments in 2026 than the 2023 output. Annual HBM output volumes will rise further to 23.1 times the 2023 level by 2028, it said.”
https://amp.kedglobal.com/newsAmp/ked202403270023
SilviaJ $NLST Netlist will never rest, they look to the future. Dozens of their patents apply to MRDIMM. And the majors cannot win every battle; it is simply a matter of time.
"MRDIMM or multi-ranked buffer DIMMs is next-generation ultrafast DDR5 memory is being designed to double the throughput of existing DDR5 DIMMs, eventually delivering speeds up to 17,600 mega transfers per second. "
"the memory industry appears poised to once again rely on many of Netlist's technologies to enable MRDIMMs functionality."
" So the way you can distinguish an AI server from a standard enterprise server is that the AI server operates first off of a GPU"
"The main memory in an AI server is 4 to 5x the capacity of a standard enterprise server. That requires then, a move to high capacity, particularly MRDIMM."
"And there, we are in a very strong position, again, with DOZENS of patents covering MRDIMM."
Chuck Hong
"So we believe that we've got a very strong position in AI servers in all 3 fronts:
IP coverage on HBM,
IP coverage on MRDIMM, and
then both IP and a physical product for CXL. "
"we don't mention it on every call, but we've made tremendous progress in creating an ASIC system on a chip, SoC, with the software and firmware that can bring multiple terabytes of NAND that looks to the system and operates like DRAM."
"And that technology, we believe there are not very many companies out in the world that are working on a similar technology. So that -- yes, that's the AI server front."
"So whatever the volumes were that led to the $303 million in judgment, those volumes will probably increase 4, 5, 6 times annually over the next few years."
"They will be racking up enormous liability if they do not settle. So I think they are looking at all of that. And yes, we're obviously working on:
OUR STRATEGY ON HOW TO GET TO A RESOLUTION."
MRDIMM Features and Benefits
MRDIMM enables CPU to access two ranks of memory simultaneously on a single DIMM with a chip-set layout of two identical DDR5 DIMMS.
The benefit of this approach is that the DRAM devices are not expected to operate at a faster clock frequency. By accessing two DRAM devices at the same time, the CPU can effectively double the memory bandwidth coming from the DIMM.
Accessing the two DRAM devices is accomplished by using a special mux data buffer resident on the DRAM, which allows for simultaneous access to both DIMMs thereby doubling the data rate to the host.
https://stocktwits.com/SilviaJ/message/577113460
gn ya'll............. for the ummmmmmmteenth, hmmmmmmm........ nlst........
NLST Part 1/2
After getting the figurative pit out of my stomach—Pitman pun intended—I thought it’s useful to point out some things with perspective on WD and our litigation situation....which is not as bad as it may seem. WD plays a small part.
The reason I exposed Pitman’s fallacies is to show the situation in our WD case is not the fault of Netlist, who are not losing in the case. And Sheasby/Irell-Manella team were not on this case till after the IPRs concluded.
The WD case was the first case filed among all current cases aside Google-CA. It's also the smallest in relation to patents and their value—no DDR5/HBM/912. And what Pitman did is justice delayed, not denied.
So consider this….whenever WD case resumes, I contend it will have little significance pertaining to conclusion of our litigation with Micron, which is really about the 918/054/060/160/912 patents—holding a majority of the considerable past and future value—and will be what determines if and when Micron settles.
Stokd
1:56 PM
$NLST Part 2/2
The relevance of the WD case was diminished after filing of other subsequent and significant cases, whose patents—918/054/060/160/912—will reach CAFC finality along with their respective Samsung case/trial verdicts first. And will be an indication of what Micron can expect if they hold trials on the same patents.
The only other Micron case/trial that has also been delayed pending patent CAFC finality is the Micron 203 case, but it is well ahed of the WD case and ready for trial. But would Micron even go to trial on 203 case with CAFC valid patents…or bother with WD case/trial after that and by the time all patents are resolved by CAFC.
Think about it, by the time we get to the WD case again—even if the 203 trial goes ahead—all Micron patents will have been resolved by CAFC, and won trial will indicating exponential damages.
So other than psychologically—we love trials, and have won them all—there is little impact from Pitman's order on the full litigation picture.
Typo* at end of second to last paragraph....meant to say — "and trials already won will indicate exponential damages for Micron."
happy teenth everyone
TOMKiLA
8:41 AM
$NLST Hbm royalties from the Samsung case could reach $1 billion in total at the end of 2024! The data doesn't lie and is provided directly by Samsung. Here's my quick collection of data.
https://sih-st-charts.stocktwits-cdn.com/production/original_577070534.png
Stokd
Yesterday 11:41 PM
$NLST Appreciate your post, and understand your line of thinking/where your coming from.
I want to assure you that everything/anything I quoted came directly and only from Pitman's Order. And in general, my source is always actual court filings/docs & case docket, which I usually post as screenshots along with using a quote.
In that post I I had other pics to share, and didn't feel the need to post pics of quotes—given I only quote filings, and thought it obvious. If I quote from an article, I would be clear and specify that it was the writers claim of what someone said.
Below I compiled all the quotes I used in the Pitman series of posts. And you’re right, I should continue to be diligent….good to plug any possible perceived holes to curb any doubt. If I can make a 4 part series of posts, I can stretch it to 5 and include disclaimers and screenshots. Btw, dear board…I’ll use comments for series posts when over 2, no need to jam up the thread.
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https://stocktwits.com/Stokd/message/577059391
yup cuz that basically same case has already been tried and for him to not take into consideration the same evidence that will be allowed to be used against it is shootin yourself in the foot. we appeal cafc crushs him, but i hate waiting !!! lol !!! maybe sheasby and company will straighten him out once hes under oath and understands the gravity of his situation. i'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt right now and say hes not even vaguely familiar of the bs going on. hes more than likely been lead in on what some one told him hes got too take care of. so i think once he gets a jist of whats really going on he'll know this is going to cafc if he screws around.
or yeah, go back to selling kindergarten books lol !!!
Stokd $NLST To finish my series of posts regarding Judge Pitman, I conclude with the article below.
Despite being "the most overburdened judge in America" and "Austin's sole Federal District Judge", he opposes transfer, yet is too busy to take up our case and get caught up. So he manufactures reasons why they stay should not be lifted—ignoring precedent and usual practice—and then justifies his ridiculous decision with total nonsense by shifting blame on Netlist. You cannot make this up!
Albright is in Waco, but does practice/hear cases partly in Austin as well...to help pitiful Pitman. Well, we need the hero Albright to take this case back, as it was initially assigned to him in the first place.
Man...apologies for all these, but I was losing my mind holding this back, and also figured it worthwhile for others to see the depth of it. https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2023-09-29/austins-sole-federal-district-judge-may-be-the-most-overburdened-in-america/
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brings over two decades of high-tech management experience to Netlist. He most recently served as President of Infinilink, a DSL equipment manufacturer, and as executive vice president of Viking Components, Inc. Prior to that, he spent 15 years with LG where he held various senior management positions in the U.S and Korea. Mr. Hong holds an MS in technology management from Pepperdine University and a BS in economics from Virginia Commonwealth University.
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