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That means a serious short squeeze. There have been monster runs before on IHUB with these. I bet any money with some keen interest this could go .25 easy.
Im going to put a bunch of huge orders in. prob from .005 to .01 or .02.(dont have the serious dough to support the higher numbers) Ive done this on a few other shells and the MMs that shorted actually start to cover or run the stock. Once they see interest they start to move it. I heard this personally from a MM himself. And Ive done it before so its got to work. I put a 500k bid on TELC and that bad boy ran from .007 yo .023 in a day. But got some day trader flag and had to cancel my order then it went back down a little.
This is just short term for a short term run. Once the name change comes the pressure will really start and everyone here will be happy.imo
Lets hope... I think we are holding for a while.
i dont see how the float is real, we probably hold 300k between ihub members alone...if it is real, no way for the MMs to cover.
Added 4200@ .05 ....filled instantly as usual. Holding 44K if that float is real there are problems coming for MM.
Yep, trouble for mm's at NMFS , don't know of many with a lower float than this !!
I got my shares - 9K, then 2K, but it was like pulling teeth. This happened at least once before - I had to get the broker to call the MM to get the shares. It is like they put the ask out there, and don't want anyone to call their bluff.
If the float is still 115,506 somebody is in deep trouble, because we have more (probably a LOT more) than that, just in IHUB.
any updates about the brokers !!!!
I thought my reply to you on $heff's board would be of interest here:
Posted by: learner1156 Date: Friday, December 19, 2008 9:27:27 AM
In reply to: doinit who wrote msg# 10020 Post # of 10021
Do you mean this? If these numbers are still current, we have a situation where IHUB members ALONE own more shares than the float. I guarantee it.
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The O/S is 1,703,336
Insider shares were 1,587,830
That leaves our float here at approx: 115,506
maybe just a bunch of FTD'S !!!!!!
maybe just mm games !!!!
Its someone here. Prob did a market sell to chase another stock.
Never fails, Whenever I post I have a bid in or anything along those lines a bitter person on the board sells to me.lol Like clockwork.
What is going on here? Now selling at .03? When I had to pound on their door to get them to sell to me at .05? What oddballs!
Would u look at that? A buy for 9k and they sell 400 to me to make my .04 bid go away.lol Had to restructure my order back to 5k.lol
LOL, man they must know you by name.
On phone now with broker, demanding shares LOL.
See they dont have shares. When it starts getting hard to get filled then you know your in a tightly held stock with no shares avail.
With the trading patterns, historical trades, Bid/Ask and Filings etc, Its got to be around 200k worse 300k I think.
Order in at the ask - 5 min, no fill.
Time to shake this up. Do you still think the float is around 200K?
Yep thats it. Happens with shells even more so with the seriously low floating ones.
It's the ole catch 22. There is no volume so no one will buy it, and no one will buy it so there is no volume... I am going to pick up some more "slap that ask" as they say.
If we can get more eyes on this and a second wave this will go over .10.imo easy. Im practically the only one on IHUB in the public message search. Everyone will be happy when this goes over .10. But takes effort to get it there. That means spreading the word about the shell if you can.
Ive been holding over a year and a half. I dont think most here have been holding that long, prob 6 weeks max. All the buying came in on 11-4 practically.
I was told it was coming soon. But with the markets they may have temp delayed it to Jan but I cant do anything about the markets. Lots of RMs have been delayed or canceled this year. But I seriously doubt this one will. NMFS is going to RM without a doubt in my mind. I can wait a few more weeks or a month. Thats the things with shells, sometimes you got to wait a little for the rewards.
We've been waiting for months for this change. It was due before EOY. What happened.
Waiting on the name change on NV. Or the dailylist.
Hello NMFS fans! Everything is going as planned. Patience will be rewarded in shell land. It will especially be rewarded with out little GEM NMFS! NMFS a diamond in the rough.imo
imo,a little steady volume here would make it climb real good !!
No this is prob retail now. Just little trades here and there moving it up and down.
nite shorting again? hah
It will come. Esp when the name change happens. Got a lot of longs here and prob all the shares are in our hands. Just takes a little bit of bites to start the momo train. Plus when the guys who own this one want her to go they will pump it and let it go.
gah.. this puppy needs volume
100% agree. Love when they do it and always got to make an exit strategy.
the fun is finding one they let run and enjoy the ride , just don't forget to get off !!
Me and someone here called the MMs and they said that that was a unorthodox question and that they wouldnt answer. NITE moved off the ask though right after.
I think the MMs are cleared out now. ETMM is prob retail. HILL and NITE were prob shorting bc no shares were avail and they were scamming. From now on its most likely us against us.lol
I thought I might add some heat to make them lay off ie the SEC complaints and they followed up with me. Ive heard a lot with the NSS and the opinions range. We even had an ex MM one time come on Paltalk and chat with us for a while. That was the old CMKX days.
thanks for the info
maybe , last time I did a share count on a public board on this hub the mod squad pm'd me to stop immediately or suffer posting restrictions , private messaging I would advise !!! oops , I misread your post , you referred to mm total shares , imo they don't have any officially from shareholders , but , they have lot's of leaway to do what they want to facilitate creation of volume , almost anything and no accounting for whatever, no oversite , sort of like the bailout going on , they don't have to answer to anybody for lot's of things they do !!!
yes, have you ever heard of MM having to account for nss ?? I never have , traders or hedge fund maybe , not mm's !!!
cant we find out how much each mm has in shares?
Yep Ive seen it one a few other shells I have. You cant get shares for the past year or so and all of the sudden HILL and NITE have gobs of shares. Doesnt make sense so got to be short/FTDs. Even if the worse case scenario we have a 250k-300k float they still would be shorting bc I hold A LOT from last year and 300k has traded already this year. Granted there may be some small flipping but cant be that much.
One a couple occasions her like I said, When I transferred my holdings to another broker HILL immediately jumped on the bid real time as if he couldnt have the shares to short against but Im not entirely sure on how these MMs do this. Another time someone here put a big bid in and HILL jumped on the bid too.
I think since the market is in the gutter these MMs are taking higher risks with shorting. Another stock that Ive been accumulating is TELC. It was in the .01-.03 area and hard hard to get shares cheap but Ive been nailing the ask at .007 and HILL just will not budge. I already have too many shares but I just want that punk to move and I want to see if I can move him.lol But he is STILL there.
they don't have shares I would assume and most all the trading is FTD'S , maybe an accumulated short position already , if they let it run look out for them , I don't think any of the old shareholders are selling , so , there isn't any true free trading float at all !! this is going to be interesting !!
Ahhh thats good to know. So the ETMM didnt even have 15k. I did another 500 test buy. Took a long while to fill. Just like all the others. Sometimes my paints dont ever work.
I had an order sitting all day for 15k at .06, didnt get filled. It was all or nothing but still thats not a big order
True but just trying to get the MMs to where they are supposed to be. Even AUTO isnt showing my 10k order in aturd. I got some other orders in that they arent showing either.
better see if smaller orders work better !! only shows 115,000sh in the float !!!
This is basically the only significant trading that NMFS has done in the past 6 or so years. The highest is 200k and if you buy shells alot you find that a bunch are match trades. I know when I add these shell the Vol sometimes is higher even though I was the only buyer. Sometimes If i try to buy 50k of a stock the MM will do a 50k trade then give me 50k and move off the ask. Sometimes I think they get bored and just short for the heck of it and are just makinga market for a stock that doesnt have much of a market.
One website showed NMFS trading at .30s in the early 2000s and it was a shell then so the float has got to be small and if you look at these ticker tape levels you will see the float is super low. There are some shares out there but it aint high at all!
Usually if you look at a shells tape and the float is high you will see very high trade amounts in the 100k of ks. But NMFS never really did anything like that. NMFS pretty much always traded on the higher end of PPS. Those shells that do that usually are extremely low floaters.
11/21/02 0.00 0.00 0.00 205,300 0.00
10/16/02 0.00 0.00 0.00 154,100
09/23/02 0.00 0.00 0.00 87,100 0.00 0.00
01/28/02 0.00 0.00 0.00 61,000 0.00 0.00 0.00%
01/25/02 0.00 0.00 0.00 81,000 0.00 -0.00 -90.00%
12/18/07 0.03 0.05 0.01 103,346 0.02 -0.03 -60.00%
12/17/07 0.05 0.05 0.04 63,463 0.05 +0.03 +150.00%
12/03/07 0.02 0.06 0.01 61,790 0.06 +0.05 +650.00%
01/16/08 0.01 0.05 0.01 28,700 0.05 -0.05 -50.00%
12/04/08 0.05 0.07 0.05 35,000 0.06 +0.01 +20.00%
12/03/08 0.05 0.05 0.05 20,000 0.05 0.00 0.00%
12/02/08 0.05 0.05 0.05 12,000 0.05 0.00 0.00%
11/25/08 0.04 0.04 0.03 60,300 0.04 +0.00 +12.50%
11/19/08 0.05 0.06 0.04 24,415 0.04 -0.00 -11.11%
11/11/08 0.04 0.05 0.04 43,000 0.05 +0.01 +25.00%
11/10/08 0.04 0.04 0.04 10,000 0.04 0.00 0.00%
11/07/08 0.03 0.04 0.03 21,600 0.04 0.00 0.00%
11/06/08 0.04 0.04 0.04 15,000 0.04 0.00 0.00%
11/05/08 0.04 0.04 0.04 10,000 0.04 0.00 0.00%
11/04/08 0.04 0.04 0.02 55,200 0.04 +0.03 +166.67%
10/20/08 0.01 0.01 0.01 36,240 0.01 -0.01 -25.00%
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The O/S is 1,703,336
Insider shares were 1,587,830
That leaves our float here at approx: 115,506
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TRAVIS GRIMMETT
National Medical Financial Services Corporation
2245 North Green Valley Parkway
Henderson, NV 89014
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