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Geeeeeeez, that's the last thing I hope they do. Bush did it and look what it got us.*
But that doesn't mean that our Congress shouldn't seek God's wisdom before they legislate.
*Said somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
Good point, as lazy as the general populous is, we could save countless lives by forcing them to use physical exertion to kill. I suspect we would have a lot of dandelion eating vegetarians!
You made a good point too. A little physical exertion in the killing process would be good for one's health. LOL!
On the subject of dandelions, it occurs to me that I better begin collecting them when springtime arrives. No one is going to steal them or I'm getting my bludgeoning tool out of the closet.
Good point, as lazy as the general populous is, we could save countless lives by forcing them to use physical exertion to kill. I suspect we would have a lot of dandelion eating vegetarians!
When you speak of weapons, what are you speaking of? There are signs that early man was killed by bludgeoning, stabbing, fire, as well as many other means. A firearm is only a weapon if it is used against a foe.
If people must have their weaponry, then I suppose I'd prefer they used knives or a bludgeoning instrument. Early man had it right. lol
When you speak of weapons, what are you speaking of? There are signs that early man was killed by bludgeoning, stabbing, fire, as well as many other means. A firearm is only a weapon if it is used against a foe.
Sigh. I imagine that a world without weapons would make this a much happier earth. I don't know what else to say on the subject.
That has always troubled me as well - if everything is pre-ordained, how can it be free will? If it is not free will, why did Christ die for us?
Touche on the semantics - we do tend to speak of the amendments as documents, not as amendments to "the" document. However, you must admit that "right to bear arms" is very vague, and therefore must not be viewed as a blanket right for interpretation as to what "arms" are. If the right wing has their way, I should be able to own a grenade launcher and a bradley tank, if I can afford one. If that is not the case - then we truly are into semantics, what constitutes too much under "right to bear arms"?! I may have a serious need for heavy explosives to protect myself from gophers!
penny_foolish. I know it's the second amendment, but a law as amended is the law.
The Constitution as amended is the Constitution.
The Constitution as it existed before the amendment is no longer the Constitution.
Perhaps it's semantics. Nonetheless I'm correct. Nor was I ignorant of where right to bear arms is written.
It's not that heavy. It's light, funny and engaging. You'll learn something.
Your lack of self respect aside... If God already knows what we're going to do, how can our choices represent free will? By definition free will would mean someone did something that God didn't think was going to happen.
Our Founders thought it very important that they seek wisdom outside of themselves.
I doubt that many of them believed that stuff at all.
No - actually the 2ND AMENDMENT, not the constitution, allows for the right to bear arms. It does not and COULD NOT know or allow for a grenade launcher, nuclear bomb or any arm you choose. Limiting the "arms" IS the role of the government, not a 200ish year old amendment to the beginning of a country.
Hey SoxFan - welcome aboard!
Thank you Karin..hopefully I will get a chance to do a little research this evening and add to it..just got back from the Farmers Market..:^)
I'll agree with you there too. There should be a federal standard. Where we most likely would disagree is which state we'd model the federal regulations after. I'd want the feds to emulate Texas and/or Arizona law. I have a feeling you'd want California law followed.
I like the idea of consistency in our laws.
Yes, VA laws are sufficient by my standards. Most guns used in violent crimes aren't purchased at gun shows. People like me go to gun shows. I don't like breaking laws and don't believe in violence. I'm against the death penalty. I'm also against war unless it is for self defense.
Violent criminals don't purchase their weapons at a location that links their name to the weapon. Most people don't think of this important detail.
These oddball mass shootings are a tragic and sad anomaly. They aren't the norm. The norm for most gun violence is criminals using illegally purchased or traded weapons.
Most with violent intent don't purchase a gun at a store or gunshow. They don't want their name linked to the weapon.
I find it interesting that we agree on the need to legalize drugs, yet differ so much on guns.
As I said in an earlier post, the problem aspects of both are closely linked together. Violent gangs love their "soldiers" to be on meth. It takes away empathy and caring. It is easier to get them to commit violent atrocities to maintain their territory. And, our current drug laws have given them their territory.
I'll try to check it out this weekend... Had a late night and I'm too tired to watch anything heavy right now.
That's true that God knew what each of us was going to do before the foundation of the world but that doesn't mean that he interfers, he gave us a free will. He wants people to love Him because they want to not because He made them robots and they have no choice.
I love God because I discovered just how much He loves me and what He did to demonstrate that love. He's awesome!
Excellent post. I fully agree with all you have said here.
I don't know how long he will remain. I am not for Republicans just because they are Republican and if they don't get back to values and principles I will not be voting for the party.
I am not putting my faith in this party or that or the government I put my faith in Jesus. He will take care of me no matter what happens, so I don't have to worry
I agree Congress should make no law pertaining to religion for instance- Everyone will start going to Church on Monday.
But that doesn't mean that our Congress shouldn't seek God's wisdom before they legislate. Our Founders thought it very important that they seek wisdom outside of themselves.
In VA, one can buy a gun/guns at a gun show and not be subjected to a background check. Is VA's gun law "sufficient"?
God has given each of us freedom to believe and freedom not to believe
God created you knowing what you were going to do. How's that work?
society has a right to control and pass laws concerning ownership of guns
Dude... ain't gonna happen. I have a right to a handgun, a squad light machine gun, a Bradley fighting vehicle and a well armed sea going craft... possibly a light cruiser with 5 inchers fore and aft.
Constitution says so.
Care to predict how long Michael Steele will remain RNC Chair?
Lexey. We disagree.
Congress shall make no law... etc.
The wall between church and state must be high and impenetrable.
I don't care what you tell your children. But I wish mine to be free of that nonsense.
From reading what each of these men have written, they are speaking about the God of the Bible.
I was asked my opinion of separation of Church and State and my belief is in agreement with our Founders.
I am not saying that I believe in forcing people to believe in God or his provision of Salvation through Jesus Christ. God has given each of us freedom to believe and freedom not to believe. I am saying that America was founded on Biblical principles and because of that if we choose to abandon those principles our Nation cannot remain as it has been for the last 200+ years.
I personally love the freedom that was established by God through our Founders and am saddened at the prospect of losing those freedoms.
Hi sortagreen I hope you are having a green day today!
In answer to your question, I believe that if America doesn't get back to where we started, looking to God, we are doomed.
John Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Second President of the United States
t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.)
[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)
The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If "Thou shalt not covet," and "Thou shalt not steal," were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), Vol. VI, p. 9.)
John Quincy Adams
Sixth President of the United States
The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes . . . of universal application-laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.
(Source: John Quincy Adams, Letters of John Quincy Adams, to His Son, on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), p. 61.)
There are three points of doctrine the belief of which forms the foundation of all morality. The first is the existence of God; the second is the immortality of the human soul; and the third is a future state of rewards and punishments. Suppose it possible for a man to disbelieve either of these three articles of faith and that man will have no conscience, he will have no other law than that of the tiger or the shark. The laws of man may bind him in chains or may put him to death, but they never can make him wise, virtuous, or happy.
(Source: John Quincy Adams, Letters of John Quincy Adams to His Son on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), pp. 22-23.)
Samuel Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.
(Source: William V. Wells, The Life and Public Service of Samuel Adams (Boston: Little, Brown, & Co., 1865), Vol. I, p. 22, quoting from a political essay by Samuel Adams published in The Public Advertiser, 1749.)
Fisher Ames
Framer of the First Amendment
Our liberty depends on our education, our laws, and habits . . . it is founded on morals and religion, whose authority reigns in the heart, and on the influence all these produce on public opinion before that opinion governs rulers.
(Source: Fisher Ames, An Oration on the Sublime Virtues of General George Washington (Boston: Young & Minns, 1800), p. 23.)
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure, [and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.
(Source: Bernard C. Steiner, The Life and Correspondence of James McHenry (Cleveland: The Burrows Brothers, 1907), p. 475. In a letter from Charles Carroll to James McHenry of November 4, 1800.)
Oliver Ellsworth
Chief-Justice of the Supreme Court
[T]he primary objects of government are the peace, order, and prosperity of society. . . . To the promotion of these objects, particularly in a republican government, good morals are essential. Institutions for the promotion of good morals are therefore objects of legislative provision and support: and among these . . . religious institutions are eminently useful and important. . . . [T]he legislature, charged with the great interests of the community, may, and ought to countenance, aid and protect religious institutions—institutions wisely calculated to direct men to the performance of all the duties arising from their connection with each other, and to prevent or repress those evils which flow from unrestrained passion.
(Source: Connecticut Courant, June 7, 1802, p. 3, Oliver Ellsworth, to the General Assembly of the State of Connecticut)
Benjamin Franklin
Signer of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence
[O]nly a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.
(Source: Benjamin Franklin, The Writings of Benjamin Franklin, Jared Sparks, editor (Boston: Tappan, Whittemore and Mason, 1840), Vol. X, p. 297, April 17, 1787. )
I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid? We have been assured, Sir, in the Sacred Writings, that "except the Lord build the House, they labor in vain that build it." I firmly believe this; and I also believe that without His concurring aid we shall succeed in this political building no better, than the Builders of Babel: We shall be divided by our partial local interests; our projects will be confounded, and we ourselves shall become a reproach and bye word down to future ages. And what is worse, mankind may hereafter from this unfortunate instance, despair of establishing governments by human wisdom and leave it to chance, war and conquest.
I therefore beg leave to move that henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessings on our deliberations be held in this Assembly every morning before we proceed to business, and that one or more of the clergy of this city be requested to officiate in that service.
(Source: James Madison, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, Max Farrand, editor (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1911), Vol. I, pp. 450-452, June 28, 1787.)
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Thomas Jefferson
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Third President of the United States
Give up money, give up fame, give up science, give the earth itself and all it contains rather than do an immoral act. And never suppose that in any possible situation, or under any circumstances, it is best for you to do a dishonorable thing, however slightly so it may appear to you. Whenever you are to do a thing, though it can never be known but to yourself, ask yourself how you would act were all the world looking at you, and act accordingly. Encourage all your virtuous dispositions, and exercise them whenever an opportunity arises, being assured that they will gain strength by exercise, as a limb of the body does, and that exercise will make them habitual. From the practice of the purest virtue, you may be assured you will derive the most sublime comforts in every moment of life, and in the moment of death.
(Source: Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Bergh, editor (Washington, DC: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Assoc., 1903), Vol. 5, pp. 82-83, in a letter to his nephew Peter Carr on August 19, 1785.)
The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of mankind.
(Source: Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Assoc., 1904), Vol. XV, p. 383.)
I concur with the author in considering the moral precepts of Jesus as more pure, correct, and sublime than those of ancient philosophers.
(Source: Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Assoc., 1904), Vol. X, pp. 376-377. In a letter to Edward Dowse on April 19, 1803.)
Richard Henry Lee
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
It is certainly true that a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people.
(Source: Richard Henry Lee, The Letters of Richard Henry Lee, James Curtis Ballagh, editor (New York: The MacMillan Company, 1914), Vol. II, p. 411. In a letter to Colonel Mortin Pickett on March 5, 1786.)
James McHenry
Signer of the Constitution
[P]ublic utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, the punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience.
(Source: Bernard C. Steiner, One Hundred and Ten Years of Bible Society Work in Maryland, 1810-1920 (Maryland Bible Society, 1921), p. 14.)
Jedediah Morse
Patriot and "Father of American Geography"
To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . . Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them.
(Source: Jedidiah Morse, A Sermon, Exhibiting the Present Dangers and Consequent Duties of the Citizens of the United States of America (Hartford: Hudson and Goodwin, 1799), p. 9.)
William Penn
Founder of Pennsylvania
[I]t is impossible that any people of government should ever prosper, where men render not unto God, that which is God's, as well as to Caesar, that which is Caesar's.
(Source: Fundamental Constitutions of Pennsylvania, 1682. Written by William Penn, founder of the colony of Pennsylvania.)
Pennsylvania Supreme Court
No free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of the country.
(Source: Pennsylvania Supreme Court, 1824. Updegraph v. Commonwealth; 11 Serg. & R. 393, 406 (Sup.Ct. Penn. 1824).)
Benjamin Rush
Signer of the Declaration of Independence
The only foundation for a useful education in a republic is to be laid in religion. Without this there can be no virtue, and without virtue there can be no liberty, and liberty is the object and life of all republican governments.
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Thomas and William Bradford, 1806), p. 8.)
We profess to be republicans, and yet we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government, that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by the means of the Bible. For this Divine Book, above all others, favors that equality among mankind, that respect for just laws, and those sober and frugal virtues, which constitute the soul of republicanism.
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Essays, Literary, Moral and Philosophical (Philadelphia: Printed by Thomas and William Bradford, 1806), pp. 93-94.)
By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects. . . . It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published. . . . All systems of religion, morals, and government not founded upon it [the Bible] must perish, and how consoling the thought, it will not only survive the wreck of these systems but the world itself. "The Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it." [Matthew 1:18]
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Letters of Benjamin Rush, L. H. Butterfield, editor (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1951), p. 936, to John Adams, January 23, 1807.)
Remember that national crimes require national punishments, and without declaring what punishment awaits this evil, you may venture to assure them that it cannot pass with impunity, unless God shall cease to be just or merciful.
(Source: Benjamin Rush, An Address to the Inhabitants of the British Settlements in America Upon Slave-Keeping (Boston: John Boyles, 1773), p. 30.)
Joseph Story
Supreme Court Justice
Indeed, the right of a society or government to [participate] in matters of religion will hardly be contested by any persons who believe that piety, religion, and morality are intimately connected with the well being of the state and indispensable to the administrations of civil justice. The promulgation of the great doctrines of religion—the being, and attributes, and providence of one Almighty God; the responsibility to Him for all our actions, founded upon moral accountability; a future state of rewards and punishments; the cultivation of all the personal, social, and benevolent virtues—these never can be a matter of indifference in any well-ordered community. It is, indeed, difficult to conceive how any civilized society can well exist without them.
(Source: Joseph Story, A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution of the United States (New York: Harper & Brothers, 1847), p. 260, §442.)
George Washington
"Father of Our Country"
While just government protects all in their religious rights, true religion affords to government its surest support.
(Source: George Washington, The Writings of George Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1932), Vol. XXX, p. 432 n., from his address to the Synod of the Dutch Reformed Church in North America, October 9, 1789.)
Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of man and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice?
And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric?
(Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)
[T]he [federal] government . . . can never be in danger of degenerating into a monarchy, and oligarchy, an aristocracy, or any other despotic or oppressive form so long as there shall remain any virtue in the body of the people.
(Source: George Washington, The Writings of George Washington, John C. Fitzpatrick, editor (Washington: U. S. Government Printing Office, 1939), Vol. XXIX, p. 410. In a letter to Marquis De Lafayette, February 7, 1788.)
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Daniel Webster
Early American Jurist and Senator
[I]f we and our posterity reject religious instruction and authority, violate the rules of eternal justice, trifle with the injunctions of morality, and recklessly destroy the political constitution which holds us together, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us that shall bury all our glory in profound obscurity.
(Source: Daniel Webster, The Writings and Speeches of Daniel Webster (Boston: Little, Brown, & Company, 1903), Vol. XIII, p. 492. From "The Dignity and Importance of History," February 23, 1852.)
Noah Webster
Founding Educator
The most perfect maxims and examples for regulating your social conduct and domestic economy, as well as the best rules of morality and religion, are to be found in the Bible. . . . The moral principles and precepts found in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. These principles and precepts have truth, immutable truth, for their foundation. . . . All the evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible. . . . For instruction then in social, religious and civil duties resort to the scriptures for the best precepts.
(Source: Noah Webster, History of the United States, "Advice to the Young" (New Haven: Durrie & Peck, 1832), pp. 338-340, par. 51, 53, 56.)
James Wilson
Signer of the Constitution
Far from being rivals or enemies, religion and law are twin sisters, friends, and mutual assistants. Indeed, these two sciences run into each other. The divine law, as discovered by reason and the moral sense, forms an essential part of both.
(Source: James Wilson, The Works of the Honourable James Wilson (Philadelphia: Bronson and Chauncey, 1804), Vol. I, p. 106.)
Robert Winthrop
Former Speaker of the US House of Representatives
Men, in a word, must necessarily be controlled either by a power within them or by a power without them; either by the Word of God or by the strong arm of man; either by the Bible or by the bayonet.
(Source: Robert Winthrop, Addresses and Speeches on Various Occasions (Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1852), p. 172 from his "Either by the Bible or the Bayonet.")
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I am praying for our President and our Nation.
I disagree. I believe that there should be some standard laws regarding the sale and distribution of firearms. In many more popular states there are strict gun laws but people can go to some other states to by pass those laws regarding sale and distribution. I think some laws should not be up to the states to determine but be national - especially around the sales and distribution of guns.
I agree. But, I also believe the current laws are sufficient.
While you may have the right to own a gun society has a right to control and pass laws concerning ownership of guns.
I am an advocate of the second amendment...not for hunting but for protection..and not only from gangs, thieves, or whoever wants to threaten my life...a tyrannical Government would be another option. I wanted to come into this discussion only after doing a little research so that I would have some links to facts to back me up.I have not been able to do that because..I have been and still am a little tied up in some option plays I have going on right now..I hate still being in the weekend before expiration..<G>.
longhorn, I used to be completely anti-gun-of-any-kind, but with what the government during the Bush years has done, I started to understand the desire for protection against 'it.'
The fact of the matter though, is that it would do no good. If the government came after you, you would be outnumbered and that would be the end of it. If you and your friends decided to have your own secret militia, you'd be found out.
Violent video games IMO add to the problem only in the sense that it desensitizes the person watching..The Violent Video game market was a by product of the Military when in Vietnam they had a high percentage of soldiers that hesitated to fire on the enemy from their entrenchments when they were being approached..they went from using standard targets to silhouettes, and finally to videos to get recruits used to the idea of firing on another human..It was very effective in that area and the technology was then incorporated to the game market..problem is in real life..there is no reset button..
I didn't know this bit of information, but I can see how it would be very effective.....unfortunately. I'm very anti-war and will always be very anti-war.
Outlawing guns IMO will not solve the problem of the criminal element having and using guns..they are readily available in non-legal venues and the only thing a ban would accomplish IMO is another charge to add to the one apprehended..I also believe it would embolden the criminal if he is fairly sure his victim is weaponless..
I suppose that we'll never get rid of guns because it's so deeply entrenched in our culture. The gun manufacturers and lobbyists wouldn't have it any other way....so I don't think you have to worry about it.
I'm going to take a nap....if I can, so if you have more to add, I'll read it later on.
I would think that most of our gun deaths are due to easy access to guns and because gun violence is glorified in television shows and video games. To add fuel to the fire, poverty forces people to survive on whatever means they can. Drug trade is great business.
I am an advocate of the second amendment...not for hunting but for protection..and not only from gangs, thieves, or whoever wants to threaten my life...a tyrannical Government would be another option. I wanted to come into this discussion only after doing a little research so that I would have some links to facts to back me up.I have not been able to do that because..I have been and still am a little tied up in some option plays I have going on right now..I hate still being in the weekend before expiration..<G>.
.Violent video games IMO add to the problem only in the sense that it desensitizes the person watching..The Violent Video game market was a by product of the Military when in Vietnam they had a high percentage of soldiers that hesitated to fire on the enemy from their entrenchments when they were being approached..they went from using standard targets to silhouettes, and finally to videos to get recruits used to the idea of firing on another human..It was very effective in that area and the technology was then incorporated to the game market..problem is in real life..there is no reset button..
In Texas we have concealed handgun licenses. In order to get one you must go through a background check, and go through an approved handgun course...In areas it is known to have a large population of licensed handgun carriers..it is observed that the crime rate has dropped..while this may not deter the Gangs..it seems to be a deterrent to the criminal element in general..
Outlawing guns IMO will not solve the problem of the criminal element having and using guns..they are readily available in non-legal venues and the only thing a ban would accomplish IMO is another charge to add to the one apprehended..I also believe it would embolden the criminal if he is fairly sure his victim is weaponless..
I am a big proponent of responsibility in gun ownership..The only residents in my house are myself and my 22 year old son who is a Marine reservist..even though we have no minors around..we lock up our guns except for the ones we keep near at night...We keep our shooting skills up by going to the range to shoot and practice safe gun handling habits...
I wish all gun owners would practice the same..as I believe it would greatly lesson the prospect of accidental deaths.
Thats it for now..more later..:^)
Hoagie
For anyone who takes the advice of the financial talking heads, make sure to watch this video. To get to the meat on the subject, move the slider to around 2:40
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=220252&title=cnbc-gives-financial-advice
sortagreen, I haven't been watching the news lately, so I hadn't even heard about it. The news makes my point better than I could, although I personally know a boy of about 13 years of age who accidentally killed a young girl with a loaded rifle. Both families were destroyed.
Alabama gunman fired more than 200 rounds in killing spree
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2009/03/alabama-gunmen.html
Alabama authorities say the gunman who killed 10 people, including five members of his family, was armed with two assault rifles and a .38-caliber pistol. They say he fired more than 200 rounds in his crime spree Tuesday afternoon.
According to authorities, the suspect, Michael McLendon, killed his mother in Kinston, Ala., then drove to the town of Samson and killed four more relatives and two others. Finally, he went on a general shooting spree in the town, the Associated Press reports. The victims included the wife and child of a local sheriff's deputy. McLendon then killed himself.
"This is the worst thing that has happened to this community," Geneva County Sheriff Greg Ward told reporters today in Samson. "We have lost members of our family, we have lost friends in our community."
Authorities have not determined the gunman's motive, the AP says.
(Photo of investigators at one of the shooting sites in Samson, Ala., by Mark Wallheiser, Reuters; photo of grieving family members by Jay Hare, The Dothan Eagle, AP)
Jesse, that film was pretty dismal (poorly done). It's true that the New World Order people are mostly power hungry, off the wall crazy, but you can't put every leader in that category. I doubt very much that Obama has plans to overtake every country, and I also doubt that he has sinister plans for us. What I hope you will do is watch the video that sortagreen posted. It's a bit of brilliance and does actually contain some of the concerns that are in your video but it's far more realistic even though a bit of comedy is thrown in. It's a serious video and one that I think you'll get something out of.
sortagreen's post repeated here:
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Thanks, I'll try to get it watched this weekend.
Here's a neat but lengthy piece on our current geopolitics.
Also a fascinating piece of historical perspective.
Robert Newman's History of Oil
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5267640865741878159
It's 45 minutes, but you can download it and watch it in pieces, plus it's comical so it's pretty light stuff on a heavy subject. You may need to download the google video player too.
Now, if you would have posted these 2, we would have all understood!
I know, I know...
How about separation of church and state?
You lost. Deal with it.
I would think that most of our gun deaths are due to easy access to guns and because gun violence is glorified in television shows and video games
I'd agree with you about the access, but it's our right dammit! (By the way the Japanese are far more addicted to the extreme video violence than we are)
That fellow in Alabama is a good case in point.
It's true that guns don't kill Alabamians; Alabamians kill Alabamians, but I'm not sure how many he'd have managed to score with a club or a knife. On the other hand the victims were Alabamians so I'm sure they wholeheartedly supported his right to bear arsenals.
They estimate he got off 200 rounds... apparently couldn't shoot for sh*t either. I guess that explains why he'd need a couple of 30 round clips taped together for deer hunting.
Oh well. The point is moot. The Constitution says I can have warship or a tank I he wants. These damn liberals are always trying to step on our rights y'know.
I don't know what you want to discuss. You choose and I'll post my thoughts on it and then you can post yours.
Sound good?
I don't know who I like more right now - Rushbo, Michael Steele, or the battle of the babbling blondes, Meghan McCain and Ann Coulter! It's a liberal's dream to be able watch a train wreck and finally know it is not being driven by the man who has been charged with running your country!
Lexey,
Sorry it took so long to reply - tax time! I would love to have your opinions here.
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