Interups Inc (ITUP)

[RealDutch]

Exactly. That was my point. 🙌

[palaypu0406]

Thank you RD, that is a very valid point --
We can push 10 Bricks (approximately 124.41 Kilos) and assume 2-3 days inventory cycling (vs average 5 days on a 5 year cycle) ...
It means a total of 1.92 Million granules with $10.59 million investment value...
Year end it will be 15 million (3 days cycle) - 22 million (2 days cycle) grains after paying out 25% dividends.
In value, this will be $64-96 million after paying dividends.
In the worst this could be $38 to $57 million with 9m to 13.5 m grains accumulated by the end of the year...
This implies 3.6 to 9 times capital multiplication in 12 months time assuming 2-3 days sales cycling.

Again, these figures look astonishingly speculative but if one goes by financial acumen, this compounding is possible.
We are presenting this discussion purely for one to understand the power of compounding and how we are adopting this for gold.
All discussion on figures is purely for learning purpose but cannot be taken as guaranteed -- one has to follow prudence and his or own risk bearing capacity in making their investment choices. As MyDhan team, we will ensure and undertake deep financial prowess in our attempt to gain much of the expectated result.

[RealDutch]

I can imagine, Snow

But even at my age of 54, I am only interested in the results after one year. Especially when considering how much money I will make next year

[snow]

RD "As people will be interested in how much money we can make in 1 year. Not 5 years from now." At my age of 81 at least I am much more interested in what can be expected to happen in year 1 than in year 5.

[RealDutch]

And then we can calculate the expected yield per year. For the first year. For 1 year.

1 brick in granules ($1 million) will offer us $2.66 B in sales inventory (5 days inventory cycling) that we can distribute and start fresh.

We gain, $1.16 Billion as our share.

That is for 5 years. That was not my question.

Why don't we increase the inventory from 1 to 10 to 100 bricks? As people will be interested in how much money we can make in 1 year. Not 5 years from now.
The number of cycles per year will go down but that is to be expected. And we can increase the dividend to something like 30%.

[palaypu0406]

Not sure, why this crying helplessly, now and then, LVerstee, laughable isnt it?
I pity you and would like to ignore the crap ...just keep your stock ready for donating ... This is what you wrote in the group...and hold your promise good... at least the donee will think of us good...we do not need some crabs to hold our stock ...and time for doling this out so you do not need to worry of us anymore... If you have any guts and not want anything out of us, donate this to someone as christmas gift and let at least that human will have some gratitude in store for us with many things happening in the company now...

Not sure why some crap minds exist in absolute negativism --

[palaypu0406]

Yes, margins tend to improve drastically when you sell in smaller amounts at the retail level. And you don't have the cost of materials that other retailers have. In this case I wonder about the need though because who can't afford $80 for a gram of gold? But you have been in the gold business for over 15 years so you probably know what is best.
People who go for grams will still go for grams and the most common consumption still remains 1g -- But in today's currency that 80-90 price would been almost Rs 7,000 per gram in Indian Rupees and there are many farmers and district / rural level population whose monthly income itself is not more than Rs 8,000 to Rs 10,000 -- Though they wish to have gold, they are unable to as granules (Fractional Gold) are not still available to the common man. Making it 1/100th ounce will mean 4.8 grains/granules which is like 32% of 1g or Rs 2,250 around -- Typically people save 20% of their earnings and this is hence we have put minimum investment as 4.8 grains instead of 15.43 Grains (1g) - In US too, 4.8 grains is like $25 around ($26.5) and it will help many to put this as weekly savings towards Education Savings Account.

So, 1 brick = 12.4 kg (in inventory).
I noticed some of the older sheets mentioning 100 kg and up to 500 kg after 5 years. Perhaps more.
And 600 grams in sales per agent per month.

It leads to 578 kilos inventory after 5 years and yes each agent is pegged for 600 grams sale

So the question most people would be interested in is, how fast are we going to ramp this up?
There are two fold to this -- One increasing the IRA base to hold the reserve for us to mine gold from IRA accounts in case inventory levels need to rise.

2. Increasing the Agent Spread -- We are focussing on both numbers -- IRA we plan pushing the numbers to 150,000 as that gives us yearly 7,000 contributions from each IRA Customer who intends subscribing for gold (Typically 100g at current level). In India the inventory that we plan carrying can be sole as a daily turnover but we prefer to keep it at weekly cycle as otherwise we will be exhausting the agent distribution.

How much in sales do we expect?
We will be able to generate to have 22 grains (year 1), 106 grains (year2), 514 grains (year3), 2,537 grains (year 4) and 12,725 grains (1 Brick) (year5) ...This means we will be generating 223 grains in worst case scenario and 2,473 grains in best case following a weekly inventory cycling of 4.8 grains and 7.5% dividend payout. 1 Brick of 400 ounces in year1 will be 1,060,440 ounces at the end of 5 years assuming 5 days cycle on an average of which investor gains 2/3rds. In the worst of the worst case, it will be 42,210 ounces with 28,140 getting into investors kitty

What would be a reasonable cycle rate globally in large quantities, perhaps 6 days (60x per year) ? --
5 days is very safe to assume, 72 cycles in a year... Initially 1 brick will easily get consumed on a daily basis but as it compounds the increased inventory pushed into retail will mean increased turnover cycle and we will typically see this in year 4 and year 5 from 1 day cycle it will be 10 days cycles to push sales because of the larger inventory quantity we will be carrying. But average of 5 days can be safely considered. After the 5th year, we have to distribute gold to reduce inventory levels as inventory levels will go beyond 12 days to 15 days cycling and it is not viable at 15 days and turns negative inventory carrying which most banks are facing currently.

And then we can calculate the expected yield per year. For the first year. For 1 year.
1 brick in granules ($1 million) will offer us $2.66 B in sales inventory (5 days inventory cycling) that we can distribute and start fresh.

We gain, $1.16 Billion as our share.

These figures are achievable with a very strict financial reengineering and compounding, assuming 100% reinvestment of surplus grains for 5 years that generate and accumulate cycle after cycle. But none of the figures can ever be taken as guaranteed - one has to assume prudence in making their investment decisions as gold is susceptible to inherent market, geopolitical, economic and currency risks like any other commodity or security instrument and one can get washed off completely - One has to assume their capacity to tolerate any untoward and unexpected risks that gold will present like any other investment

[LVerstee]

The built-in escape for January 10, 2024 payout deadline. Pin it people.

[LVerstee]

Mission 101?
Payout timeline?
SPAC's?

Either again pushed deadlines or simply not followed through. And still people believe them.

[snow]

Laxmi, Thanks for the update! I wish you and your family a continued Merry Christmas and a happy new year.

[RealDutch]

Yes, margins tend to improve drastically when you sell in smaller amounts at the retail level. And you don't have the cost of materials that other retailers have. In this case I wonder about the need though because who can't afford $80 for a gram of gold? But you have been in the gold business for over 15 years so you probably know what is best.

So, 1 brick = 12.4 kg (in inventory).
I noticed some of the older sheets mentioning 100 kg and up to 500 kg after 5 years. Perhaps more.
And 600 grams in sales per agent per month.

So the question most people would be interested in is, how fast are we going to ramp this up?
How much in sales do we expect?
What would be a reasonable cycle rate globally in large quantities, perhaps 6 days (60x per year) ?
And then we can calculate the expected yield per year. For the first year. For 1 year.

[palaypu0406]

Wishing Merry Christmas to all, I am happy to write to you that we are starting to sell gold in granules -- All this time we were selling each token as equivalent to 1g and pricing 1g @ $75 and then $80. To draw move dynamic fractionalization, we are shifting into gold grains based selling with Gram of Gold equalling 15.43 Grains (or Granules). One Ounce of Gold equals 480 Grains and and 1 g hence equals 480/31.1034768 grains per gram. We plan maintaining 1 Brick of inventory to trade into the market initially (which is 480 x 400 ounces x 31.1034768 grams per ounce = 12,4414 grams approximately)... @ Current price of Gold we are selling 1 grain @ $5.50 and this will widen our net to capture numbers... In India we will price each granule around 500, price to fluctuate on a daily basis... This will increase gross margin to 18% around from the current 10% level and improve 1g equivalent pricing to $84.83 (Price to fluctuate with market) an increase of $4.80 over 1g. Just updating ...

[RealDutch]

https://digishares.io/interups-partners-with-digishares-to-revolutionize-diverse-asset-tokenization

[karlacorn3]

Excellent! This will be a major milestone and an incredible building block for business!

K

[palaypu0406]

Obliged with everyone's support, wishes and blessings Snow!
It took several years for us to reach this stage but none can stop us now!!!

[snow]

Thanks for the information and for the kind words, Laxmi!

[palaypu0406]

Dear Snow,
W8-BEN applies for each company that is distributing dividends. I will circulate on this requirement in 3-4 days..
Yes, cash grant is now $0.25 combined vs $0.15 and this betters by 60% and in line with our thoughts to pay 1 dollar per annum on each token we own...
We are beginning this with 2024 and I hope we remain a solid group for decades building this tradition for our shareholders -
You all have become like a family to me!!!

Laxmi Prasad

[RealDutch]

I already sent them a third copy of my W-8BEN for Food Carts. Best not to take any chances.

[snow]

Dear Laxmi,

I am delighted with the slightly changed date the remittance will happen and the fact that the sum will increase by 50%. I would think everybody who is to receive money will react in more or less the same way. By the way, do we have to e-mail even a third W-8BEN since the remittance will relate to three and not two verticals?

[RealDutch]

Yeah. I'm not sure about the black market. Reminds me of the time I went on holiday in Bulgaria and it didn't always play out so well

I guess I will let Alex do the assessment and analysis on that one

[palaypu0406]

please follow this weblink too RD as this gives the local off market currency exchange --
While we cannot exchange at this rate for international transfers, it will help us plan some local expenses at off market conversions...
https://www.ngnrates.com/market/exchange-rates/us-dollar-to-naira/black-market

[RealDutch]

I have been keeping an eye on this today. The 1,099 rate has come back down to 864 today. I suspect the market (FMDQ) rate can be very volatile at times while the standard bank rate stays the same. Not that it matters much to us.

https://fmdqgroup.com/exchange/

[palaypu0406]

We are setting the revised dividend payout date as Jan 10, 2024 and we will pay a total of $0.25 as Cash Grant, prorated into My Gold Grams, Masala Agri and Food Carts, each company paying out $0.083333 per token owned.

[RealDutch]

I just told our Aqua friends that capex is $744,000,000 in US dollars and we can't really change it because of the token construction.

That's 80%. So the total = $930,000,000 for aqua
And $600,000,000 for Palm (80% = $480,000,000 capex)
Total $1.53 billion.

We can delay coconut, rice and sugarcane for now

[RealDutch]

Surprising. I didn't know.

[snow]

Thanks very much Laxmi!

[palaypu0406]

Dear Snow,
Cow Capital becomes the Sponsor Acquisition Company.
This means, it will acquire the 20% sponsor capital of the target acquisition, identifies a merger or combination target and the target merges into Cow as a business combination with cow gaining 10% - 50% of the post listed capital.

We plan completing these SPACs in the next 3 years, first 2-3 to happen in 2024...
In fact targeting the first one in January either in Financial Services or in the Food Industry...
If these 2 are not possible, then we will focus on an Airline Operator.
But we are aiming for 1 SPAC endorsement in January...

[snow]

Dear Laxmi,

"Cow Capital will be the sponsor company on all the 5 SPACs planned" What are the implications of this for the shareholders of IREEM? Will Cow Capital have stakes in these SPACS? If that is the case how big percentages when the companies start trading? When do you anticipate that Cow Capital will start trading on a stock exchange?

[palaypu0406]

Cow Capital will be the sponsor company on all the 5 SPACs planned

[palaypu0406]

Naira (Nigerian Currency) plunges 23% to 1,099 Naira (as per Lagos based FMDQ) and this means substantial capital savings in project execution... And the off market rate is around Naira 1183. Calling it almost 50% over Naira 800... Nothing will be a better timing for us than the beginning of January for negotiating Project Investments into the country and substantially committing to local social welfare...

[snow]

Thanks RD! eom

[RealDutch]

As I suspected. This is from Laxmi, October 2022

(e) WM Firm Launch -- Masala Capital Inc WM firm that will later merge into Cow Cap is ready to take off..

It could actually acquire Masala Capital, the Registered Investment Adviser (RIA)

[RealDutch]

Me neither

Well, one thing we can say for certain. It is the first out of 5 planned SPAC's. Cow Capital Acquisition Corp (CCAC). It was supposed to acquire financial services companies. But I'm not sure what it means or why we need them.

[snow]

RD Thanks for providing these exciting insights! One thing I don't understand in this new picture is where Cow Capital is.

[RealDutch]

One more thing people should understand.

IREEM (MyDhan) is acquiring Genesis Palm. A 50% stake for $8.5M.
Genesis Palm is focused on selling palm oil at the retail level. And will do the same for Masala Palm Africa, which will be the 5 x 40,000 hectares developed by Masala Agri Corp (vertical 2) in the state of Anambra. Genesis Palm will also sell coconut products at the retail level and probably export fish fillets etc. So this could grow into a monster operation.

And it will be funded by IREEM (MyDhan) directly. Not by Masala Agri as I stated in error previously. This is how it should be and this will benefit all parties, not least of which the ITUP shareholders and Genesis Palm.

I expect IREEM (MyDhan) to own between 80% and 90% of Genesis Palm in the long run. As it will need substantial capital for expansion. This will be a 10-year plan. And, IREEM (MyDhan) will not have a problem funding this operation. As it basically already has the required capital in India, in the form of stock.

To sum up. On the one hand, you have Masala Agri Corp, involved in 5 multibillion-dollar projects in Nigeria at the wholesale level. Benefitting the vertical shareholders. On the other hand, you will have the retail/export operations, hugely benefitting the ITUP shareholders. Alex, as President of Arch Industries, will be managing all of these operations in Nigeria for us. He knows what it means, these 5 huge projects. But his real dream is retail and export IMO.

[RealDutch]

IREEM name is changing to MyDhan

Ok, that was the part I was missing

Sounds good to me.

[palaypu0406]

Dear RD,
IREEM name is changing to MyDhan
Rest all is remaining as is...
ITUP flow is coming into IREEM (MyDhan)
IREEM is sponsoring SPAC Sponsors
IREEM is gaining equity into all verticals...

MyDhan name will penetrate through media campaigning...
The desire is to make ITUP as parent holding like Berkshire Hathaway...
Though it will take some years to reach that pricing level, We have all the strength to make ITUP the most valued share on the market...

But for staff and operational purpose...IREEM (MYDhan) will take the central role (It is already) and the name is changing from IREEM to MyDhan...
Hence you are seeing IDs changing from ITUP Global to MyDhan.io as the ID itself will convey what we are into...

Laxmi Prasad

[RealDutch]

It's a bit confusing that everything is migrating to Dhan.io
You said yourself that ITUP will direct list in Q4/2024 or Q1/2025 which means it is not disappearing.
And most of our contracts are still with IREEM/ITUP. Not with Dhan.
I'm probably missing something

[palaypu0406]

Yes probably that may be one of the reasons...
It makes more sense for all of us to have mydhan.io as email IDs ...
Will ask Likhitha ...

[palaypu0406]

Dear RD,
We will fix this monday early hours as I will have a proper date tomorrow evening my time (Monday morning India hours)...

Laxmi Prasad

[RealDutch]

One more thing. I'm not the only person who received your last email in my Spam-box. Probably because your domain name changed from itupglobal to mydhan.io.

Everyone should be on alert.

[RealDutch]

You are going to have to delay paying the dividend, as we need 14 days in escrow for the money raised. May I suggest a new pay-date of January 3. Then everyone will have the money in their account by January 5. Assuming there are no friggin delays from the banks because we are talking substantial amounts of money in some cases.

I already prepared the crowd for this delay. But the tax gain will be significant. And we'll kick off the new year on a tear.

Assuming we have money in the account next week.

[snow]

Thanks Laxmi! Your and RD's posts provide perspective and enhance our understanding of what can be expected to happen.

[palaypu0406]

Thanks RD and I like you for your strengths to analyze this deep ---
I will just add a piece ---
Gold, Rice, Whiskey and Food Carts are income stabilizers and enhancers...
Agri adds heavy valuations long-term ...
Plane seats will be disrupting the way financing is done to run and operate an aircraft...

[RealDutch]

Let's assume $1 annually in 2024 from all the active vertical companies combined.
$2 in 2025
$3 in 2026.

3 factors will add to the mix
- organic growth within each vertical
- number of vertical companies increasing to 9
- payout ratio going up from 10% currently to 20%

[snow]

Thanks a lot RD for very interesting assessments!! Even if cash dividends grow much slower than general growth the numbers you suggest would mean fast growth too. I well understand that a lot of uncertainty necessarily is part of such projections. I assume that when you refer to 25 cents in dividends per quarter that is based on 2 verticals in the same way as the 15 cents for the current quarter, and that this number assumes that several more verticals than 2 will be operative to achieve this level of dividends.

[RealDutch]

Masala Agri Corp (vertical 2) won't generate a lot of cash flow during the early years. We get 10% sweat equity and I don't think the company will be selling those shares/tokens. Even the management fee (2% annually) won't be paid in cash until the projects generate cash flow themselves, which could take 3 years for RAS and 4-6 years for oil palm and coconut. So there is basically only the 4.5% license fee that will generate cash flow early on, and half of that will go to Masala Capital and the other half to Masala Agri. Nevertheless still substantial because the projects are so huge On top of that, I think Masala Agri will need cash to invest more money in Genesis Palm. Alex has big plans for it as it will deal with the retail side and export of all kinds of products derived from Palm, coconut etc. Setting up distribution centers in Lagos etc. We own 50% of that now and may very well increase our stake as it will need more money going forward. So retail could be a real big earner for us in the future besides the 5 projects themselves (at the wholesale level). But Masala Agri is also Rice (RISO, AROZ and PADDY) and the first two will generate cash flow.

Aviation (Plane Seats) could be the other big vertical. It is hard to predict the success rate. But if succesful it could dwarf all the rest. And here we do generate good cash flow early on.

So overall, it is hard to predict what to expect of future dividends. But we already discussed it the other day and I said that in general dividends won't be able keep up with growth. So I expect the dividend yield to come down from 25% currently to something like 2%. We will be targeting $0.25 quarterly next year and this will probably double or triple after a year, or two. That is the best way to look at it.

The projects is Nigeria. And the extent to which we will be disruptive with plane seats. Those are going going to be the interesting developments to watch IMO. Nigeria will give us a lot of attention. But Plane seats could become the bigger earner.

[snow]

RD At least I think this vertical may achieve the highest value. If the growth in profits is so high that it generates a value of 50 dollars per token/share what range of cash dividends do you envisage?

[Fedel]

Laxmi, such a question. We bought vertical tokens. Where will they be stored? The shares are stored with the broker, tokens for some digital assets are stored in my cold wallet. Where will the vertical tokens be stored? Can they be sold in the future? Will they be traded on the market? Thank you.

[RealDutch]

Masala Agri Corp should be worth $50 a year from now. 100x more. But that is not a guarantee. Good things need to happen.