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Maybe, but it seems every govt agency under the sun has looked at HLF and found nothing there. Those sane agencies are probably also very aware that the protecter of public interest ( snicker ) , mr Ackman , has a huge monetary motivation to seeing woe befall this symbol, and I'm sure they see his claims with that backdrop in mind.
Yeah I get your point however he does make points which are worth noting such as the large upfront purchase and multilevel scheme systems. It's not like other companies haven't employed the same model but you have to wonder if the business model is really on the up and up. This is by far one of the more Interesting Wall Street feuds!
Ackman has a billion $ bias that clouds his " crusade" . Ackman is worried about Ackman , nothing else. The heir of altruism is only in effort to see HLF flounder and so he can see his " big trade "come to something.
I'm not saying Ackman is wrong, certainly not saying he's dumb, but I am saying his claims of deceit on HLFs part are only in effort to better his lot.
If Ackman didn't short HLF to the tune of a billion ( by some estimates), then would he have been carrying on and crying wolf everyday for the past couple years? Hardly seems worth his time .
Is their currency adjustment of positive $20 million reported in their latest 10Q fact or fiction? How is it possible most companies are reporting negative currency adjustments in their financials while HLF reports a positive adjustment of $20 million?
Herbalife's own 10Q reports that South America is their biggest market! Whether conversions are reports from the Brazilian REAL; Mexican Peso; CDN Dollar; or various African currencies it makes no sense; at least to me; that their foreign currency adjustments would have a positive impact; as reported in their 10Q on 'Comprehensive Income' by $20 million!
I found one line on their 10Q reports:
Is there merit to Ackman's claim that Herbal life is exploitive and based on and pyramid type scheme? I have no position here and just saw the CNBC interview. I found his points to worthy but hard to flesh out.
Your being deceived by a corporate cheat
Seriously lol! Awefully close to new 52wk highs.
This thing just wont stop! Check out the resistance it is close to on this chart:
http://stockaholics.net/threads/hlf-herbalife.926/
+14% AH yesterday.
Ouch COVER COVER COVER lol
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Herbalife Ltd. (HLF)
45.31 ? 0.67 (1.50%)
Volume: 502,990 @ 2:41:41 PM ET
Bid Ask Day's Range
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Herbalife Ltd. (HLF)
46.69 ? 0.3 (0.65%)
Volume: 287,356 @ 12:56:18 PM ET
Bid Ask Day's Range
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Immunotec only 25 cents per share USD
Immunotec Reports 2015 Year-End Results
- Fiscal 2015 revenues and net profit at record levels with a revenue increase of 4.9% to $84.M and net profit of $4.0M or $0.06 per share - U.S. Network Sales in local currency increased 21.3% in Q4 2015 - Q4 Adjusted EBITDA(1) of $2.1M or 8.4% of revenues - Solid balance sheet with cash over $10M
Herbalife Ltd. (HLF)
54.33 ? -0.82 (-1.49%)
Volume: 169,330 @ 11:44:56 AM ET
Bid Ask Day's Range
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HLF hammer candle, sorry Ackman , looks like more coal for X MAS.
Herbalife Ltd. (HLF)
56.73 ? 0.24 (0.42%)
Volume: 1,082,669 @ 5:49:56 PM ET
Bid Ask Day's Range
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Checking in on my HLF and it looks great!
Ackman problems should be behind us now as he gets tore several new ones! He should be quite busy for awhile now. Couldn't have happened to a better guy or better group of people!
Makes you realize that even with everyone in his pocket he still can't pull this off. Pretty pathetic. Looks like just another blowhard.
Long live HLF! $60 before year end?
HLF - Being so public in his investment strategy is making him an easy target.
Closer, and Ackmann is closer to going apoplectic
HLF - Will see $60 soon.
Wow, someone better get a blood pressure reading on Ackmann , cause HLF is bounding away.
Very true. These guys have so many people in their pockets. Journalists, insiders, regulators, law enforcement and investigators, etc.
And that slap will probably be on the golf course , and it will probably be on the back .
No doubt skilled at the art of omission...This way, when he is proven to trade on insider information, or to profit on manipulation, he won't get anything more than a slap on the wrist.
Ha, yeah Ackman made a mistake IMO , but he's no dummy , that's for sure. I recently rematched an older interview where the commentator kind of led off w an attack type q on JCP , and he paused , spoke very softly and proceeded to hypnotically and instantly pivot away from the question and satiate the interviewer , all in one fowl swoop, and all w never answering the question, fng thing of beauty !
HLF - That is what they do...They "hedge"...Hence the term... "Hedge Fund" ;)
Yeah , in sure there's a good amount of trading that goes on. Ackmann actually said about a year ago that he converted a good deal of his traditional short position to long dated puts for leverage .
HLF - Much like the OTC shorts control the pumps to allow themselves and their collaborating "partners" to establish short positions into buying demand...I suspect Ackman and/or his short selling hedge fund partners are shorting into buying demand with HLF.
They short the pumps and moves up, and they cover before the next round.
Yes, well mr bill , to his credit , got right out in front of that issue by proudly stating he was shorting HLF to the tune of many dollars, but THAT gravitas only lasted so long. As he tried more and more avenues to " out " HLF , and as each one of those doors closed , time and again, he took on the role of the boy who cried wolf, rendering what may actually be true, moot at this point. Clearly the market does believe what he says , or doesn't care ( probably a lil of both) .
HLF - Too bad short sellers aren't required to file with the SEC when they hold a 5% or greater position in a company.
What's fair is fair...but that doesn't apply to the stock market and to short sellers and those manipulating stocks downward for profit.
Yes, I would suspect though that when HLF sank recently he used the opp to by some safety , otherwise, he's not as bright as I am assuming.
HLF - A couple of more bad bets and he will be getting margin calls on this and any other position, long or short, he has.
It's going to probably involve Ackman being dispossessed of his position there, if that's possible , because I'm sure he had backing and support and made a very convincing point to start this " trade / crusade " but this whole thing is costing him and others their reputations, and a few bucks of course, being euphemistic . Again, he may well be right , but that's not adversely affecting the SP of HLF, in fact quite the opposite, and being "right " is not a proverbial bullet proof vest as they say.
HLF - When does Pershing Capital have to call in their bets?
With Valeant costing him nearly $1.8B in paper losses, something has to give soon.
The market can stay irrational longer than individuals can stay solvent . ~ Keynes . Even Ackmann must run out of support at some point , and after the JCP escapade , it's got to be really hard on his credibility right now, all due respect , and HLF may be a pyramid scheme , but he's not in that business , " crusader " , he's suppose to be in the make money on equities business , so bill , how's business? I am someone who respects Ackman still , and hates to see this continue , because it seems more like a personal fixation than a trade at this point .
Oh no mr bill ! It used to be mr billions , now it's just bill. Sucks too cause Ackman has one of the best sales abilities around , and then he gets his self involved w a very costly soap opera , and costly to his reputation as well. Still respect the guy, but man , what a disaster the endeavored in.
HLF - He could hold out as long as he has assets to back his margins. He is paying interest on those borrowed shares.
HLF - This is set for another squeeze.
Ackman is adequately leveraged, and should be able to hold off buying until much higher levels.
Could we see $70 sooner than later?
thank you, Herbalife Ltd. (HLF)
55.05 ? 0.05 (0.09%)
Volume: 508,761 @ 2:21:51 PM ET
Bid Ask Day's Range
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DAT distributorships still working.
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MULTILEVEL MARKETING /\
Herbalife Ltd. (Herbalife) is a global network marketing company that sells weight management, nutritional supplements, energy, sports and fitness products and personal care products through a network of approximately 2.3 million independent distributors, except in China, where the Company sells its products through retail stores.
The Company is a network marketing company that sells a range of weight management products, nutritional supplements and personal care products. As of March 31, 2011, the Company sold products in 75 countries throughout the world. Herbalife’s products are grouped in four principal categories: weight management, targeted nutrition, energy, sports and fitness and Outer Nutrition, along with literature and promotional items. As of December 31, 2010, Herbalife marketed and sold 126 products encompassing over 4,000 stock keeping units (SKUs) through its distributors.
http://www.google.com/finance?q=HLFaa
INVESTOR ACKMAN TRIES WEEKLY TO CONDEMN $HLF BUT FAILS /\ 07-22-14
RECENT MEMO BY HIM FAILURE IN HIS CONFERENCE TO PROVE $HLF IN A SCAM/FRAUD
$HLF DUE DILIGENCE/
recent news/filings
## source: finance.yahoo.com
Thu, 24 Jul 2014 04:22:32 GMT ~ Corrections & Amplifications
[at The Wall Street Journal] - Corrections & Amplifications for the edition of July 24, 2014
read full: http://online.wsj.com/articles/correctionsamplifications-1406141673?ru=yahoo?mod=yahoo_itp
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Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:32:19 GMT ~ What Wall Street is missing about Herbalife
[Talking Numbers] - http://l.yimg.com/os/en-US/video/video.pd2upload.com/video.tncnbc.com@a877f29f-9d9e-3a35-aaa3-d939f0229cf4_FULL.jpeg" rel="nofollow">http://l.yimg.com/hv/api/res/1.2/EYCldk06bPOHRaDXZQsdIQ--/YXBwaWQ9eWZpbmFuY2U7aD0zMTt3PTQy/http://l.yimg.com/os/en-US/video/video.pd2upload.com/video.tncnbc.com@a877f29f-9d9e-3a35-aaa3-d939f0229cf4_FULL.jpeg
read full: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/talking-numbers/what-wall-street-is-missing-about-herbalife-193219652.html
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Wed, 23 Jul 2014 19:24:12 GMT ~ Is Herbalife A Pyramid Scheme Or Just Another MLM?
read full: http://seekingalpha.com/article/2334485-is-herbalife-a-pyramid-scheme-or-just-another-mlm?source=yahoo
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Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:53:54 GMT ~ Ackman's clients shrug off Herbalife embarrassment
read full: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101860725?__source=yahoo%7cfinance%7cheadline%7cheadline%7cstory&par=yahoo&doc=101860725
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Wed, 23 Jul 2014 18:51:00 GMT ~ This Might Be Bill Ackman's Real Plan To Take Down Herbalife
read full: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/might-bill-ackmans-real-plan-185100406.html
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Link: http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HLF/company-info
Ticker: $HLF
OTC Market Place: Not Available
CIK code: 0001180262
Company name: Herbalife Ltd.
Incorporated In: Cayman Islands
$HLF share structure
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Market Value: $6,485,857,406 a/o Jul 23, 2014
Shares Outstanding: 98,107,055 a/o Apr 23, 2014
Float: Not Available
Authorized Shares: Not Available
Par Value: No Par Value
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Company name: Herbalife Ltd.
## STOCK DETAILS ##
After Hours Quote (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/after-hours
Option Chain (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/option-chain
Historical Prices (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=HLF+Historical+Prices
Company Profile (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=HLF+Profile
Industry (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/in?s=HLF+Industry
## COMPANY NEWS ##
Market Stream (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/stream
Latest news (otcmarkets.com): http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HLF/news - http://finance.yahoo.com/q/h?s=HLF+Headlines
## STOCK ANALYSIS ##
Analyst Research (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/analyst-research
Guru Analysis (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/guru-analysis
Stock Report (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/stock-report
Competitors (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/competitors
Stock Consultant (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/stock-consultant
Stock Comparison (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/stock-comparison
Investopedia (investopedia.com): http://www.investopedia.com/markets/stocks/HLF/?wa=0
Research Reports (otcmarkets.com): http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HLF/research
Basic Tech. Analysis (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ta?s=HLF+Basic+Tech.+Analysis
Barchart (barchart.com): http://www.barchart.com/quotes/stocks/HLF
DTCC (dtcc.com): http://search2.dtcc.com/?q=Herbalife+Ltd.&x=10&y=8&sp_p=all&sp_f=ISO-8859-1
Spoke company information (spoke.com): http://www.spoke.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Herbalife+Ltd.
Corporation WIKI (corporationwiki.com): http://www.corporationwiki.com/search/results?term=Herbalife+Ltd.&x=0&y=0
## FUNDAMENTALS ##
Call Transcripts (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/call-transcripts
Annual Report (companyspotlight.com): http://www.companyspotlight.com/library/companies/keyword/HLF
Income Statement (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/financials?query=income-statement
Revenue/EPS (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/revenue-eps
SEC Filings (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/sec-filings
Edgar filings (sec.gov): http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0001180262&owner=exclude&count=40
Latest filings (otcmarkets.com): http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HLF/filings
Latest financials (otcmarkets.com): http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HLF/financials
Short Interest (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/short-interest
Dividend History (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/dividend-history
RegSho (regsho.com): http://www.regsho.com/tools/symbol_stats.php?sym=HLF&search=search
OTC Short Report (otcshortreport.com): http://otcshortreport.com/index.php?index=HLF
Short Sales (otcmarkets.com): http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HLF/short-sales
Key Statistics (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=HLF+Key+Statistics
Insider Roster (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ir?s=HLF+Insider+Roster
Income Statement (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=HLF
Balance Sheet (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bs?s=HLF
Cash Flow (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/cf?s=HLF+Cash+Flow&annual
## HOLDINGS ##
Major holdings (cnbc.com): http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/HLF/tab/8.1
Insider transactions (yahoo.com): http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=HLF+Insider+Transactions
Insider transactions (secform4.com): http://www.secform4.com/insider-trading/HLF.htm
Insider transactions (insidercrow.com): http://www.insidercow.com/history/company.jsp?company=HLF
Ownership Summary (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/ownership-summary
Institutional Holdings (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/institutional-holdings
Insiders (SEC Form 4) (nasdaq.com): http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/HLF/insider-trades
Insider Disclosure (otcmarkets.com): http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/HLF/insider-transactions
## SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER VARIOUS SOURCES ##
PST (pennystocktweets.com): http://www.pennystocktweets.com/stocks/profile/HLF
Market Watch (marketwatch.com): http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/HLF
Bloomberg (bloomberg.com): http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/HLF:US
Morningstar (morningstar.com): http://quotes.morningstar.com/stock/s?t=HLF
Bussinessweek (businessweek.com): http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot_article.asp?ticker=HLF
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