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Goodnight to you...it's about that time for me.
Agreed.
Old chinese proverbs. These apply to me as well.
Only narrow minded individual can accuse other of being narrow minded.
You must listen to learn and only speak when you have learned.
Nah. Book of Midas: Chapter 7: Verse 16: Just made them up.
"Keep it civil. Civil we will keep." Yoda
Goodnight.
Your civil contributions are welcome to this board. There will be no attacking anyone and as you can see there is plenty of room for alternative thinking and viewpoints.
Yes it could be for the future. From what I have been reading it does have unique qualities as a bio-fuel but it also has some drawbacks. For instance not only do you have to figure in the cost of growing and processing but as with most other bio-fuels you need to figure in large transportation costs. There are no pipelines for bio-fuels. Getting tankers to transport bio-fuels is extremely difficult as they are all in use transporting oil. So that leaves local distribution in relation to the areas being grown. Which means trucking costs. Ethanol for one cannot be transported via pipeline. Water seperates from it during pipeline transportation so all ethanol has to be trucked. Also there are no large infrastructure outlets to sell bio-diesel at the moment but it has been breaking ground in alot of underdeveloped or developing countries. It might take some time but it might be worth it possibly. There are other alternative energy projects in developement that don't require any crop developement. But as such Fundacion Pan America is located in and around developing counties it might be a viable investment for the future.
Please Mike next time don't just attack my posts. Everyone can learn something from the next person.
Midas, in your opinion, and since you've done more research on this, is the Jatropha plant development a viable opportunity for the Fundacion to explore?
It appears the unnamed engineer thinks it is a viable source of fuel.
The engineer, who declined to be named, said his company hoped to seal a deal with a private investor to build one of the world's first large-scale jatropha-based biodiesel plants in China's southern province of Yunnan before the end of this year
Thanks for providing both the pros and cons Midas...
And in all fairness.
Some good news.
http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0-5-7165-1-446319-1-0-0-446301-0-0-135-7165-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html
Your right. Here's a recent Rueters article.
Toxic jatropha not magic biofuel crop, experts warn
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More Business & Investing News... GUANGZHOU, China, Sept 12 (Reuters) - Oilseed plant jatropha does not offer an easy answer to biofuels problems as some countries hope, because it can be toxic and yields are unreliable, experts and industry officials warned on Wednesday.
The woody plant can grow on barren, marginal land, and so is increasingly popular in countries such as China that are keen to boost biofuels output but nervous about food security.
But its nuts and leaves are toxic, requiring careful handling by farmers and at crushing plants, said experts at an oils and fats conference.
In addition, it is a labour-intensive crop as each fruit ripens at a different time and needs to be harvested separately. Its productivity is also low and has yet to be stabilised.
M. R. Chandran, adviser to the Roundtable on Sustainable Palm Oil, told Reuters it would take five years of intensive research before jatropha could achieve productivity that would make its cultivation economically viable. The oil yield of the plant, originating in Africa and still largely a wild species, is less than 2 tonnes per hectare with large swings from year to year.
An engineer specialising in oil and fat processing plants, including for biodiesel production, said special facilities were needed for crushing jatropha nuts as they could produce a toxic vapour.
The engineer, who declined to be named, said his company hoped to seal a deal with a private investor to build one of the world's first large-scale jatropha-based biodiesel plants in China's southern province of Yunnan before the end of this year.
© Reuters2007All rights reserved.
Not all biofuels are created equal
Very good articles on the plant here: http://www.panambiofuels.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogcategory&id=1&Itemid=66
I haven't but I will inquire around to see... I am thinking if CR is talking about developing this crop that would possibly be the case here in Panama as well??
PepsiMan, seen any of that plant in Panama?
I know Costa Rica is engaged in talks about planting/harvesting/developing the crop.
Government of India has selected the plant for National Program compared to others due to followings: -
Low cost seeds
High oil content
Small gestation period
Growth on good and degraded soil
Growth in low and high rainfall areas
Seeds can be harvested in non-rainy season
Plant size is making collection of seeds more convenient
http://www.jatrophabiodiesel.org/
Wow this is quite the education Tooth Fairy.. Great stuff.. Thanks for your remarks as well Mike....
Planting the Tuba-Tuba:
Irrigated land can be planted with up to 2,500 Jatropha plants per hectare - a spacing or two meters by two meters. But on poor soil, and land dependent only on rainfall, the plants should be spaced further apart. A month or two before the start of rainy season is a good time to plant. Jatropha seeds can directly be planted or 2 to 3 month old seedlings from nurseries can be used. Jatropha seedling or cutting is planted then covered on an up-hill manner to avoid erosion. The plants are watered for two weeks after transplanting. Seeds can usually be harvested 1 year after planting. Potential yield ranges from 1.25 to 12.5 tons of seeds per hectare.
Process of Oil Extraction:
Oil is easily extracted from the Tuba-tuba nut by the use of a presser-expeller. This engine driven machine is simple enough to be operated in provinces by village folks. The yield is about 1 liter of oil for every 3 kilos of seeds. The oil is then refined to produce biodiesel.
It has been estimated that for a processing plant (presser-expeller) to be economically viable and have continuous supply of the Jatropha nut, 5,000 hectares of land have to be planted with Jatropha trees. The trees can also be planted on coconut plantations - intercropping the Tuba-tuba/ Jatropha under the coconut trees. With proper weeding, pruning, ploughing and fertilization, up to 20 kilos of seeds can be harvested per tree - up to 0.40 metric tons per hectare for non-irrigated land and up to 2.5 metric tons of seed per year if the land is irrigated. This is a boost for coconut farmers and land owners alike.
In the Philippines, planting of Jatropha or Tuba-tuba is on high gear, more so in Visayas & Mindanao but it can be planted anywhere. The Philippine Coconut Authority (PCA) is actively promoting its planting to coconut farmers.
With the ever increasing interest in biodiesel fuels, we may one day get used to the idea that fuel for our vehicles was harvested from local plantations instead of using imported oil from the Middle East.
http://herbal-medicine.philsite.net/tuba-tuba.htm
Tooth Fairy and Pepsi...seems from the dates on your info, this is fairly new while being an affordable and efficient energy alternative available to the whole world. Seems many of the countries that are trying to become carbon neutral are exploring the Jatropha plants and its many uses.
I would now have to consider the opinion that I posted earlier in regards to crops and biofuels described as "passe" to be rather narrow minded and not well thought out.
In June, two British companies formed a joint effort to grow more jatropha in southeast Asia, southern Africa, central and south America and India. BP and biodiesel producer D1 Oils say their new company could become the world’s largest producer of the oil by two thousand eleven.
But while the future seems to hold promise, there are no guarantees. Right now, some jatropha farmers are said to be having problems finding buyers for the seeds.
http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/2007-10-01-voa5.cfm
I had never even heard of Jatropha Curcas until recently.. Great info.. Thanks...
Eye on Mali: Jatropha Oil Lights Up Villages
WorldChanging Team
June 5, 2007 7:42 AM
Energy self-sufficiency is another goal of the program. Private international companies have offered to develop the jatropha industry in Mali, but were told the biofuel would not be approved for export until the country’s domestic energy needs were met.
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/006814.html
Jatropha Curcas is considered as the best source of bio fuel among the various plant based fuel resources spread across the globe. With the depletion of the traditional fuel sources.
http://www.jatrophaplantsource.com/
After reading another IHUB post which stated: Growing crops to create fuel will be so passe', it made me think about the Fundacion's plans to invest and partner with companies that intend to use the Jatropha plant as an alternative to fossil fuels.
Does anyone know to what extent or what stage this particular Biofuel is at today? I would find it hard to believe that if this particular plant is just recently being discussed it would have room to grow...(pardon the intentional pun) and have it considered as dated any time soon.
I believe there could be some good DD out there for us to uncover.
There has been much conjecture about MM's manipulation, shorts and such from the get go. We can only hope that the shares are drying up and the exchange will be back online soon. Once the exchange is up and running 100%, and money is flowing out, there should be a positive reaction in the U.S. market.
Until then...
This has to be some kind of record for MM manipulation.
We're up 42% on a .91 cent trade !!!
911 shares...LOL
Anyone up on MM game player codes......what does a 911 trade mean?
Maybe "emergency....crooked B/Ds are about to get what is coming to them"?
Good Morning Pepsi.....
Agreed.....the more I learn about this company.....the better the future looks!
Now....today and tomorrow...that's a different story.. LOL
I agree. This looks very promising. Good info Fltrader :) Good morning Fundacion!!
The Jatropha business would be noteworthy for any company and this is only a fraction of what the Fundacion is involved with. Also, it's an alternative to the fossil fuels and is earth friendly. This could be a great asset and I look forward to its development within "FPA".
Thanks, Fltrader for the info.
Just a little info about the economic viability of one of the crops. Jatropha
Goldman Sachs recently cited Jatropha curcas as one of the best candidates for future biodiesel production.[3]
The hardy jatropha is resistant to drought and pests, and produces seeds containing up to 40% oil. When the seeds are crushed and processed, the resulting oil can be used in a standard diesel engine, while the residue can also be processed into biomass to power electricity plants.[2
Currently the oil from Jatropha curcas seeds is used for making biodiesel fuel in Philippines, promoted by a law authored by Philippine senators Miriam Defensor-Santiago and Miguel Zubiri. Likewise, jatropha oil is being promoted as an easily grown biofuel crop in hundreds of projects throughout India and other developing countries. [1] [4] The rail line between Mumbai and Delhi is planted with Jatropha and the train itself runs on 15-20% biodiesel. [1] In Africa, cultivation of jatropha is being promoted and is grown successfully in countries such as Mali. [5]
The plant can grow in wastelands, fertilises the soil that it grows in, and yields more than four times as much fuel per hectare as soybean; more than ten times that of corn. A hectare of jatropha produces 1,892 liters of fuel (about 6.5 barrels per acre).[6]
Jatropha can also be intercropped with other cash crops such as coffee, sugar, fruits and vegetables.[7]
This is the part of the mail that is the most promising.
370,650 acres for cultivation of Central American equals of our corn and sugar beets. Man that's a lot of produce.
6. America III. Expanding into the JBF.1 (BIO Fuels plan to promote 150,000 hectares for cultivating JATROPHA, Curcas & Costarricensis.
Pepsi,
You da man.
Thanks
Agreed...
Until we get confirmation from the company....it's just a rumor...
Until that news is officially released, I would consider it a rumor and only that.
I also heard from a very reliable source that the foundation has plans to open an office in the US.
I have to consider this a rumor at this time since I can not disclose how I got the info.
It did not come to me from the company.
I received this email from Pedro a short time ago, and he said it was okay for me to post this.
As you know we are living in historical times. I would like every Pan American in America II to know that they are participating in, and have earned a place in the historical structuring of
“The Americas” , Four Regions of the Western Hemisphere, known as Pan America, united to forge the most effective UNION to face the effects of Globalization and Global Warming, that combined could destroy the Human Race...Of course as always, the “sense of belonging” will prevail, and we, by the grace of GOD will save mankind. This should be and is OUR primary goal.
BOD PDRex:
Presidente Micheal Scott Terrell
Tesorero Nanuel Gonzalez Purón
Secretario Pedro Adrian Borges Fiol
Council “FPA”:
Presidente y Cahirman Micheal Scott Terrell
Council Members PDR Exchange (Panamá), Inc. PDRex
Pan America Sociedad Anónima (MMVII) PANAMERSA
Corporacion de Desarrollo Panamericano CODEPA, S.A.
PayPro LATAM Sociedad Anónima
Protector y Representante
Legal Pedro Borges Fiol
Comité Interdisciplinario FPA: Manuel G wonzalez Purón
Sergio Sanabria Rucavado
Juan Carlos Rodriguez Contreras
Regarding the other ongoing projects, I can state the following:
1. The JBF.1 Bio Fuel is trade mark owned by “FPA” for the development of the BIO Resources (Fuel & Fertilizers)
2. The JBF.2 Bio Fertilizers
3. Jatropark EcoLand Resort see attachments a theme park for creating and sharing the understanding of Bio Resources & MicroForests
4. America II. The President will be putting forth a PR shortly on the developments occurring in this region.
5. America I. This region is a bit controversial for the USA Americans, due to governments inability to use a “sense of belonging” to resolve disagreements...On going major projects in Banking and Finance & The Cuba Fund (an Investment Trust Funds for Development).
6. America III. Expanding into the JBF.1 (BIO Fuels plan to promote 150,000 hectares for cultivating JATROPHA, Curcas & Costarricensis.
7. America IV. Operating companies promoting the protection of our natural resources in the ground where they belong and where they are properly secured.
This is just a brief summary. We are extremely busy handling the business plan.
Thank you Pan Americans.
Fundación Pan América
Pedro Borges Fiol, MBA
Fundador - Protector
pborges@fundacion-panamerica.com
http://www.fundacion-panamerica.com
Panamá: + 507 673-07240
Costa Rica: + 506 815-1399
Barcelona: + 34 93 802-1252
Custodiando el Patrimonio de los Panamericanos
I am sure we will all be interested to see how this transpires... Thanks for the update!! And good afternoon FPA :=)
I did get a response from Pedro. There apparently is something in the works to help PNMS shareholders get their shares to the Fundacion without having to send them straight to Panama. More clarification as to the details will be forthcoming.
If you are unable to get a response right away perhaps I can take a stab at this too. Between the 2 of us perhaps we can get an answer....
I will contact Pedro to see if there are any different steps (other than address change) to convert certs to PDR's for those that don't have them in hand right now to go through Dallas. When I get the response, I will post it.
I don't believe that I will get my certs in time to send them through Dallas so this is a somewhat self help mission.
That was also my average thru Scott Trade months ago.
On average my cert orders from UBS Financial have taken about 3 weeks.
I have a freind and a family member that have been waiting almost 3 months for their certs from Scottrade.
I can see money flowing really soon. I think we are just about there. Has anyone heard anything about the debit cards.
I think each and every one of us have to find our comfort level when it comes to the risk vs reward. The guarantee wasn't important for me because I believe in the long term asset building that the Fundacion provides. I've got some certs on order and I don't know if I'll make the deadline but I plan to send them anyway guarantee or not.
IMO, the important thing for you to ask yourself is how important is the gurarantee to your investment strategy? Once you find that out, it should help your decision.
Please realize that it is my opinion and shouldn't be taken as professional advice. Good luck.
There are now reports circulating from Hotstocks1 that Pedro will not give anyone their money even if they show up in Panama to collect it. So you can't wire it out and you apparently can't pick it up either. You might consider waiting to see if the problem gets resolved before risking that the money will be gone for good once the stock is transferred to Panama
I was about to call Scottrade to order my last batch of certs, but after talking to Theresa yesterday, I don't know if that's my best course of action.
She mentioned that several people have been running into issues getting their certs as of late, while others have seen their turn-around times getting longer.
Scottrade has always been reliable (3-4 week turn-around), but with the imminent re-launch of the exchange, I don't want my certs to be 'delayed' or 'in transit' when it happens.
In theory, MT could close the door on the guarantees the same day the exchange reopens. At that point I would miss out on the guarantees.
She offered me 'private placement' shares @ 0.0020. If I go that route, I would apparently be 'guaranteed' the guarantee.
I'd like to sell my remaining Scottrade shares and then take Theresa up on her offer.
However, with the share price where it is, I would be selling them at a considerable loss...if I'm even able to sell them.
I guess if all goes according to plan the guarantess won't matter.
Thoughts?
From the beginning...a little history lesson for those that may be new to the Fundacion Pan America, "FPA".
http://www.fundacion-panamerica.com/90HistoriaPanAmericanaB/01IndicePanAmericanismoB.htm
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