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Retail are buying but that's small, like hundreds of thousands or a couple million at most. These are all shorts trading with each other trying to lower the bid.
Some constantly claim negativity regarding the company and the stock and never claim to buy, ever
I hope you know some characters on the boards are just that
Wait, Should I hold this shit ton of cheap shares I have just acquired?
I only hold certain things these days, silver, bullets, and anti bank ETFs
Gl
Now that's what I'm talking about!
Good advice about patience. And waiting for the bottom. I am not always very patient and I am not good looking at charts. I understand what you are saying.
To me, without some formula to predict a bottom, unless the bottom is in sight, ie, zero, I think that the odds of the bottom being near (or bankruptcy) have to be pretty high as the price nears zero. In the case of FCEL, I don't see any signs of bankruptcy so being near the bottom makes more sense. Therefore I buy. I admit there is no sophistication here.
With regard to doubling, I am doing the easy math by accepting $1.57 as "analysts" predict as a near future price and seeing 0.74 doubled meets that prediction more or less.
I appreciate the advice.
"Allows me to buy in with a near term upside potential double."
im not sure why you think theres a near term double...many thought there was a near term double at $15 and $12 and $10 etc...recently many have thought there was a near term double since $1.25...hasnt happened...just because a stock has dropped down low doesnt mean it wont go lower...and it doesnt mean it will double either...
what i have suggested 100 times, is why not wait for the trend to reverse?...if one doesnt care to day trade, then just wait for the bottom to hit, let it reverse and then buy when the stock is truly on an uptrend?...you wont be able to say you bought at the bottom...you might even miss a doubling of the pps...but if you buy at a buck and the stock goes to ten as some are suggesting could happen, whats so wrong with that?...is making 6-10 times your money not good enough?...seems like plenty to me...and you reduce your risk immensely...
thats what im waiting for...if fcel never comes back, no problem for me...i dont own any shares...but if it (and likely the whole industry) comes back, then i will buy and ride it up...but i have no desire to buy until i actually see a reson to...beside hope...i dont buy on hope...
again, as i have said a thousand times...it takes a lot of patience to trade or invest in the stock market....but patience should be exercised BEFORE you buy...not after...
Thanks Hawks ! You too were right on this pos and the Hog that crapped out. You saw it coming and exposed the BS for what it is.
Igotmo had it pegged too.
As usual the only one with brains and knowledge in this group is the Hopestud!!! Great job predicting again the demise of this pathetic money bleeding POS. Fundamentals always come before useless links to things that have no bearing on this company provided by the paid promoter Hogwash.
Closed at $.76. Hit $73 intraday. My 1st tgt now complete.
Do I hear $.50.
Can you imagine a stock being overvalued at $.50 ? Peter Lynch thinks so.
The 3 that added yesterday are now further in the hole.
Wonder if they bought more today.
Gives new meaning to the phrase "Gluten for punishment",
Hey Hog- Find a few links totry and prop this up.
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Well, I have to agree there is a lot not to like. No one here likes to lose money. The dilution is scary, as is the share price and threat of delisting to name a few. Makes me wonder why I didn't buy Chipotle at $600/share.
I do see a lot to like however. The price for one. Allows me to buy in with a near term upside potential double. Analysts are seeing near term $1.57 in their calculations. So to me 0.74 is a gift. Several analysts talk of an earnings surprise this quarter. I believe that because we have revenue to record from the previous quarter that didn't make it in last quarter's report.
CCS and H2 is not a fad. It is super real and here to stay.
Although high school kids experiment with H2 production in labs all the time, FCEL is pulling together all the practical aspects of scaling up to massive production without going bankrupt. Not an easy feat for any small cap company.
My eyes at times will not even focus from trying to keep up with all the reading. Hell I am at least 600 pages of current reading behind. But what I do see here, on this board, is there are enough people who believe in FCEL who keep feeding the info so I am relieved of having to search for it all by myself. Yes, I have been up the hill to $29 and back down again to 0.74. Its spooky. But many of the same longs are still here from $0.13 cents before the run who are ready to do it again. This time it may be a little slower rise but a more permanent high. Good luck to you, sincerely.
Haha if I could explain it I would. Thank you for your thoughts. I plan on buying, each day, if cheaper than the day before, until earnings.
Without reading your post Max I just posted another long winded one. There's not one individual with a brain that's done any diligence that believe the share price is fair at this point. This is clearly manipulation and when this runs it's going to run stronger than usual, Although I'm not sure if it's going to run as strong as it did when it went to $29 in less than 3 months, I do believe we'll get That type of run in the next 6 to 12 months.
Well we've learned yet more this week. For one, We know the company has the ability to sell shares to raise money, up to 500 million shares. For two, Few He's smarter than any characters on these message boards I'm including myself in that. 3rd, They may have sold shares but there's no way they sold more than 100 million shares. A little elaboration on that. We know now for sure there's plenty of short activity going on. Volume was averaging between 10 and 14 million shares a day on typical days. We've now traded far greater than 350 million shares the past seven trading days. The company has had nothing but good news and oh by the way, quarterly earnings come out for Q2 in approximately 4 weeks. So I got to thinking today I'm supposed to be getting a nice commission this week. Wouldn't I just love to get shares for $0.75. I mean knowing what I know about the company there's no way I'm not going to get a 10 bagger If not and the next 6 months then certainly within the next couple years at the very latest. If Q2 and Q3 earnings are anything like what I expect we don't even need news to go up 200%. Then I got to thinking how I'm salivating over potentially picking up 2000 to $4,000 of shares at this price. Then I was like holy crap. Now I can see why the shorts battle so hard to manipulate the share price as low as possible. There's companies being shorted that are priced at multiples above with their valuation should be. There are companies potentially headed towards bankruptcy in the near term or short term which are being shorted. Then there's other reasons to short company, like for potential hostile takeover, or Just buy shares at a ridiculously low price. A million dollars buys a whole hell of a lot more shares at $0.75 than it does at $2. And anybody with that kind of money isn't stupid enough to think they can run this company into the ground. They're doing it simply to load up on shares. What does that translate to. Well, If you're thinking when I'm thinking now, That translates to the fact that when these people millionaire traders decide it's time to buy and run this thing, We go beyond $29 very quickly because they now know just like we do what the company has.
Nah, I don't believe that's what is happening here. Major short selling appears to be what is driving the share price down as the price to book value for FCEL is $1.48 or more. Retail investors own over 51% of the shares currently and as you said someone is buying. I don't see any indication that a "poison pill" is activated. Not knowing FCE's participation in any of this makes it difficult to even make an educated guess.
I was hoping you could tell me what's going on!
i have made money with stocks that i knew were pure scams...but im not going to champion those stocks simply because i made money with them or had money invested in them...
i have made good money with fcel....but when a stock goes from 29 bucks to 73 cents and continues to perform poorly, im not gonna pretend its all good...CLEARLY something is wrong...
"Why then do you seem so negative toward it?"
losing lots of money, diluting, institutionals selling, dropping way under a buck risking delisting, looking like a r/s may be next...what is there to be positive about?...
i will admit i dont read hardly any of the links to anything that are being put out since none of them have made any difference at all...i keep hearing there are so many wonderful things happening yet, i look at the pps and its hitting new multi year lows daily...so......something aint right...
you will find those traders who look for stocks that are hitting or nearing rock bottom and they buy and wait for a dead cat bounce...but thats not what i do...
You seem to have done well with FCEL , going up and down. Why then do you seem so negative toward it?
"In case you haven't noticed FCEL has been traded for years. It is trading now."
apparently you are new to investing and dont understand the vernacular...i dont have the time to teach you...
"But you leave out the fact that this stock went from 0.13 cents to $29."
it was 4 years ago...and when a stock drops from 29 bucks to 72 cents over the previous 4 years, its really irrelevant what it did 5 years ago...you cant trade the past...
" How did it get to $29?"
i was here when it did that...i made a ton of money because i understood it was rising on nothing but hype over biden's talk of pouring trillions of dollars into alternative energy...but as everyone should have known, the fed gov doesnt move fast...i posted back then that there would be very little of that money dispensed for years to come...to me that meant that the hype would stop and then would come the drop...
i bought at around 4 bucks per share and sold in the mid 20's....didnt catch the bottom and didnt sell the high...but still made a ton of money...and when the drop started, i made money shorting the stock...but i just sold short and covered every so often...didnt make near as much money shorting but it was decent...
and i have traded fcel many times since...i have posted when i bought and sold many times...they werent all profitable...i got fooled a few times...it happens...
"All similar stocks went down with the Fed tightening of interest rates."
you keep wanting to relate everything to interest rates...the climb to 29 and the drop to 73 cents has nothing to do with interest rates...its just really crappy performance by the company...
Is that what is happening here? If we are trading 40-60 million shares a day it implies that someone is buying, including yours truly, at bargain prices. If institutional investors are not buying it seems retail investors are. If retailers hold wouldn't that help drive up the price?
A poison pill is designed to discourage a major acquisition of shares and a company's hostile takeover by an individual or entity. Once activated, the strategy allows shareholders, with the exception of the acquiring party, to buy additional shares of company stock at a highly discounted price in an effort to dilute its shares and limit the acquirer’s ability to gain control.
You can only short with a margin account.
Not to get too technical, but the idea of shorting is to sell stocks you don't have by borrowing them from someone else. This is why interest is charged.
In a cash account, you must pay for a security in full when you buy it...and thus before selling it. You can't borrow funds from your brokerage firm to pay for transactions in the cash account. If you intend to trade using borrowed funds, you must open a margin account to trade. You can't sell short with a cash account.
Others will need to speak to it.
I’m a momentum trader and only use my tools for these things.
GL brother
I did too! All longs hold!
Do you know much about poison pill defense to hostile takeover using diluted shares? Does the tactic include registered shares that are not yet sold?
Exxon sidelines direct air capture
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4689748-exxonmobil-plays-it-safe-with-hydrocarbons-sidelines-direct-air-capture
$0.74 loaded some. Some watch and post bs.
US aims to drastically reduce costs of hydrogen electrolysers within two years
The Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Technologies Office also plans to demonstrate next-generation tech to produce extremely low-cost H2 by 2031
May 8, 2024
https://www.hydrogeninsight.com/policy/us-aims-to-drastically-reduce-costs-of-hydrogen-electrolysers-within-two-years/2-1-1640218
Hog, I think your facetiousness was a little too much for the bashers to comprehend.
Try saying " FCEL is worth much more than $10 a share. The run up to $29 proved that. Jason Few cares about the company way more than a couple of bashers. And he will not let FCEL be bamboozled by Exxon."
"Exxon can’t even be bothered to renew fcel’s contract…and hasn’t for years…that should tell you what Exxon thinks about fcel…"
And that is why they are paying FCEL for Rotterdam?
I don't know whether to tremble or laugh 😂
"but at some point fcel will be good for trading again"
In case you haven't noticed FCEL has been traded for years. It is trading now.
"But the bottom line is that a stock that has run from 29 bucks to 76 cents over the last 4 yrs has proven itself,"
But you leave out the fact that this stock went from 0.13 cents to $29. Do some due diligence. How did it get to $29? And if you shorted it on the way down, kudos. All similar stocks went down with the Fed tightening of interest rates. And their graphs are almost identical.
Sorry you got burned by your fabulous trading skills, really.
But I'm pretty sure you aren't flush with cash from all your trading prowess just to spend your days idyllically posting negatively here and foregoing other of life's pleasures.
I don’t believe I’ve ever heard a long time investor in any company utter these words…for ANY reason:
“ Thank goodness the board and Mr Few don't really care that much about the share price or retail investors.”
Unfreakinbelievable….lmao
“ Otherwise Exxon would have a great opportunity to try to buy fuelcell at 5 to $10 a share.”
Exxon could buy up fcel for a buck…but they don’t want it even at that bargain basement price…they already own what they need from fcel…and they paid way less than a penny per share for it…
Exxon can’t even be bothered to renew fcel’s contract…and hasn’t for years…that should tell you what Exxon thinks about fcel…
Thank goodness the board and Mr Few don't really care that much about the share price or retail investors. Otherwise Exxon would have a great opportunity to try to buy fuelcell at 5 to $10 a share. I'm looking for much much more than that. Tri Gen alone is worth more than that. Carbon capture alone is worth more than that. Current assets and remaining IP are worth more than that. We're going to get to $3 a share The fraction of the time it took to go from $2 to $0.75. In fact we'll probably get to $5 in a fraction of that time.
“Buying and holding is a defense against shorting.”
It’s a recipe for disaster…it’s the don quixote method of investing…keep jousting at wind mills pretending you are being heroic…smh
“When shorts are forced to cover their borrowed shares the price goes up.”
After 4 years, investors are still waiting for that to happen…lol….meanwhile Blackrock is dumping shares for huge loses…
“Big short squeeze coming”
Been hearing that since 15 bucks per share…that was hedgehogs favorite line years ago….but even he realizes that even if a squeeze happens now, it will too little, far too late…
“all your time on a board”
Takes me about a minute to read the handful of posts here and another minute to post…but you go ahead and exaggerate if it helps…lol
“you say is ill suited to investors? Smart.”
I trade it…not recently though since I have other stocks I trade as well…but at some point fcel will be good for trading again…
I have shorted this stock as well from time to time…but I don’t really short penny stocks…too expensive…
But the bottom line is that a stock that has run from 29 bucks to 76 cents over the last 4 yrs has proven itself, without a shadow of a doubt, to be ill suited for investors…there is simply no denying that…
Buying and holding is a defense against shorting. When shorts are forced to cover their borrowed shares the price goes up. Big short squeeze coming.
Hopey posts: "It takes discipline and respect for the market signals to profit from a purchase. That's basic among intelligent investors."
And how many shares do you own? So exactly how are you making a profit without a purchase? Smart
South Korea would benefit from using Tri-gen in their shipyards. Steel manufactures are so heavily energy intensive. No oil reserves in SK. I would believe they have biogas.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_South_Korea
Look at last paragraph before "History"
I'm extremely confident Toyota in fuel cell will announce something there working on together at some point this calendar year. But I'm more confident that we will announce something significant in South Korea this fiscal year
igotthemojos posted
"...i dont think this needs to be explained further, but for the sake of clarity ill add that most investors want to make money, not lose it... "
And that is why you are spending all your time on a board for a company you say is ill suited to investors? Smart.
There seems to be a hint of further collaboration suggested between FCEL and Toyota. Biogas equals Trigen which equals Hydrogen, water, heat and decreased pollution. A win for everyone!
More links by Hogwash today. Exactly what has no effect. $.75 coming up.
Maybe a DEAD CAT BOUNCE before it.
GET Ready !
As the stock comes closer to my 1st target of $.75 the die hards are in their trying to support the stock thinking they have a bargain.
It's quite obvious they have not learned the from their mistakes.
This " thinking the stock is cheap" and therefore worthy of a purchase has been going on for 3 years. How many times have they thought the stock has reached a bottom and tried to catch the falling knife............ only to see it go lower. Then they'd do it again. SAME RESULT !
It takes discipline and respect for the market signals to profit from a purchase. That's basic among intelligent investors. The rest, lick their wounds while trying to explain what went wrong.
So here they are making rhe same mistake over and over again yelling each other that they repeated their mistakes.
I was able to get more yesterday at .81.
"Hence bigger stocks benefitting in the past few days"
im not really sure what you are talking about or why you bring it up as if it matters...the past few days??...fcel has been in a steady decline for the last 4 years...
"Shorts know this cycle"
again with the shorting excuse...theres no "cycle" to be concerned with...unless you want to claim that fcel is in a 4 year "cycle"...29 bucks to 78 cents didnt happen in the last few days...lol
"Where is the catastrophic news about FCEL that is driving the stock price down?"
bad news has been coming with every earnings for the last 4 years...you and the hog applaud every earnings report and the pps just keeps dropping...one would think you guys would get a clue but apparently not...there does not have to be anything catastrophic to cause the pps to drop...the idea that earnings might suck, institutional selling and the company diluting shares is enough...
believe it or not, many investors would rather not hold or buy into a stock where the earnings are likely to suck, the institutions are selling and the company is diluting...i dont think this needs to be explained further, but for the sake of clarity ill add that most investors want to make money, not lose it...
Few has done a horrible job...the company is bleeding cash and doesnt have much to show for it...it is completely mismanaged...it appears that Few didnt even start to dilute until the pps dropped under a dollar per share...Brilliant strategy or decision?...must be since you want to give him a standing ovation...
personally, i think a lot of his decisions are crap and hes done a really shitty job...29 bucks to 78 cents pretty much says it all...in the same time frame, the djia went from 30k to 40k...the nasdaq went from 13k to 16.5k...sp500 from 3800 to 5300...
cycle that...
Awesome articles
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60720918/toyota-and-fuel-cell-energy-make-case-for-hydrogen/
https://www.barchart.com/story/news/26017674/is-fuelcell-stock-a-buy-on-its-toyota-partnership
https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/2024/05/07/toyota-announces-two-new-renewable-energy-steps-in-california/&ct=ga&cd=CAEYAioTMTU5NDE1NzcyMDUyOTQ4ODEwNzIaM2Y2YzEyOGYyMzM0YTgyODpjb206ZW46VVM&usg=AOvVaw2OEmrPKRh2Z59BlpYxjF2m
1.8 Trillion vs 100 billion. Some big numbers but when spread over 20 or so years looks manageable. I forget, how many zeros in a trillion?
Depends on which broker the shares are borrowed from and a very good point. It costs shorts money to borrow shares from brokers. Plus the shares borrowed from the broker have to be given back. If the stock price goes up the short borrower can end up paying much more for the stock than the borrowing price. They can incur unlimited losses if done improperly.
Do you notice how bashers can't say that cash on hand dropped today because the stock is down 0.02 cents. Just like they can't say cash on hand increased today because the stock price is up 0.02 cents.
Or better yet they cannot say "Parts of the Torrington Facility actually vanished today because the stock price dropped but we expect it to reappear when the stock is up 0.02 cents on the next dead cat bounce along with hundreds of thousands in cash." They conflate different aspects of business to things not real.
Bashers love to conflate facts to spread fear. Stock price is not cash on hand, or buildings, or factories or workers. Stock is a representation of the value of the company to the holder. No two holders have the same perceived value for the same stock. Bashers however like to belittle your belief in your value assessment and bend it to theirs. And they offer no facts, no articles from reputable sources. They use fear. I am not afraid of the facts of FCEL. I will buy more as I can. I am still waiting for the promised $0.50 cents a share.
Yes, I saw that. Something undeniably very beneficial to the Industry needs to happen
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1992 | 120 kilowatt fuel cell stack demonstrated |
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2011 | 11 megawatt fuel cell park commences operations in South Korea |
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2012 | European presence established with FuelCell Energy Solutions, GmbH |
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