Fireside chat (stocks)

[firefight4]

Sputnik, no problem, YOU HAVE BEEN BANNED! This board was created to keep people like you off it. You will not be allowed to pull the same antics here that you have been playin on the other board. Mission accomplished.

[Dolly Llama]

California High court orders businesses to treat same-sex partners as married couples

Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2005/08/01/MNgolfclub01.DTL

Monday, August 1, 2005


California businesses must treat same-sex domestic partners the same as married couples, the state Supreme Court ruled today in the case of a lesbian couple seeking family membership in a golf club.

The ruling was the court’s first on the scope of the state’s domestic partner law, which took effect this year and granted to registered partners most of the rights of spouses under state law. Same-sex couples of any age, and opposite-sex couples in which one member is 62 or over, are eligible to become registered partners. About 27,000 couples have registered with the secretary of state.

The justices crafted a narrow ruling that sidestepped the couple’s argument that a business policy favoring married couples discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation -- similar to arguments raised in a separate case challenging California’s ban on same-sex marriage. There was no need to address that issue in this case, the court said Monday, because no evidence was offered that the golf club’s policy was intended to discriminate against gays and lesbians.

Instead, the court said the Unruh Act, a California law requiring businesses to treat customers equally, prohibits discrimination based on marital status in at least some circumstances -- in particular, when the customers are domestic partners.

“A business that extends benefits to spouses it denies to registered domestic partners engages in impermissible marital status discrimination,’’ said Justice Carlos Moreno in the 6-0 ruling.

He noted that businesses can easily distinguish registered partners, who have documented their relationship with the state, from other couples or casual friends.

Like the decision to marry, a decision to enter into a domestic partnership results in “the creation of a new family unit with all of its implications in terms of personal commitment as well as legal rights and obligations,’’ Moreno wrote. For those couples, he said, “the Legislature has granted legal recognition comparable to marriage.’’

In other circumstances, Moreno said, a company’s policy favoring married over unmarried customers can be justified by “legitimate business reasons.’’

The ruling revived a lawsuit filed in 2001 by B. Birgit Koebke and Kendall French of San Diego after the Bernardo Heights Country Club refused to grant French spousal status under the membership that Koebke had bought for $18,000 in 1987. Members’ spouses can pay golf at the club for free, but unmarried guests have to pay $40 to $75 a round and can play only six times a year.

[zeus1]

LOL, I am being followed it appears. I can't post anything now without someone wanting to discredit me. Wow, why don't people just let others alone with their opinions. It doesn't appear possible on Ihub. What a sin.

[lobogotti]

moderators can't jail anyone

[zeus1]

Well, It looks like it is not only me:

Posted by: NSS_Boss
In reply to: None Date:7/30/2005 10:30:35 AM
Post #of 146167

Frank Olsen: This beautiful board has turned to a nightmare.

[zeus1]

florist, Have a great time. I love Lake Tahoe, but haven't been their in years. It is so beautiful, so much nicer than Las Vegas.

[zeus1]

fire, I hope we can get the new board. I am so sick of the moderators jailing longs and letting bashers run rampant o the other board.

[Dolly Llama]

Done! Thanks, Firefight.

[florist]

Thanks, I will

[firefight4]

florist, take care, enjoy. I have to work this weekend, Sunday day is my only time off. have a good time!

[firefight4]

thank you florist, i knew you saw something special at Outfest. The change in your demeanor was so dramatic that I knew Q was on its way. Thanks!

[florist]

Okay, I'm out of here for the weekend, Friend is taking my partner and I to Lake Tahoe for the weekend. It's the first getaway since my transition with the business. Hope u all have a great weekend and go out and get away from the computer. Jeff

[florist]

Fire, I can only tell you this, I had zero expectations. In fact I was there only because of a friend who had tickets for us. The amount of folks within the industry who I personally know of, have very powerful connections in this emerging gay Market would NEVER waste their time or money on a network that they weren't certain would be successful. I also think that the gay games is the real answer to the puzzle. Logo would easily try to steal that away from Q if Q was not going to be national. This is just my own opinion fire, but the impression that I saw, heard, and felt has stayed with me and what's happening with the PPS does not scare me...

[firefight4]

florist, the question i have is "what did you see/hear"? the curiosity is killing me! It almost like you had a vision or something! hahahahahaha Yes yes! you had a vision of Frank Olsen hahah he told you the future of Q! HAHAHAHA

[florist]

180 turn for me my friend...ha, ha, ha,
Nothing concerning the PPS will change my mind, I will wait for however long it takes...

[firefight4]

florist, not sure what you saw at Outfest but i know one thing for sure! It made you a believer once again and for that I couldn't be happier!

[florist]

Hi, u enjoying the end of a work week

[florist]

You bet something has changed...Read between the lines....
Its all very good

[firefight4]

thanks to both of you. Matt's not going to like all the messages hahahaha but its time for this board to be what it was always meant to be!

[Lolitchka]

Ditto done.

[florist]

Done

[florist]

This is the type of person we should ALL focus on as the real enemy of gay people

Anti-gay preacher to picket at soldier's funeral


Mitch Sneed / Media General News Service
July 29, 2005

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OPELIKA, Ala. - At a time when his loved ones are making funeral arrangements for a dedicated family man killed defending his country, a Kansas minister is making plans to use the funeral of Sgt. Christopher Taylor as a platform to push his anti-gay agenda.
Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church in Topeka, Kan., sent out press releases Wednesday announcing that his group would picket and preach at the Opelika funeral. The release is filled with anti-gay language and is headed by the line "Thank God for Improvised Explosive Devices Killing Americans in Strange Lands."

Phelps grabbed national attention with his disruptive messages at the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the who was murdered in 1998 in an anti-gay hate crime in Laramie, Wyo. Since then, he has taken every opportunity to spread his message.

What do homosexuals and a tragic war death have in common? Phelps has a theory.

Using words not suitable for print, Phelps said the government has allowed gays to take over America. He claims the government allowed his church to be bombed by gays. As a result, Phelps claims that "God is punishing the government by killing soldiers with bombs and sending them home in body bags."

"We will be at the funeral to picket and preach and let everyone know that these soldiers are dying because God is retaliating, picking off the soldiers one by one, the soldiers that are fighting for an America that is allowing homosexuals and sodomites to take over," Phelps said in a telephone interview Wednesday. "We've been to seven funerals this week and we'll be in Opelika to spread God's word."

Opelika Mayor Gary Fuller was not aware of the planned protest before receiving a call from the Opelika-Auburn News, but made it clear that he will not allow a hero's funeral to become a circus.

"This is America and Mr. Phelps has a right to protest, we would never deny him that right," Fuller said. "But we aren't about to allow him to disrupt a funeral. We have the right to tell him where to go and to make sure that the protest won't be in a position to upset this family."

Fuller said he would have discussions with Opelika Police Chief Tommy Mangham to have a plan to handle the possible protest.

Mitch Sneed is the editor of the Opelika-Auburn News.



© 2005 Media General
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[firefight4]

florist, here is Matt's contact info...

http://www.investorshub.com/boards/contact.asp

[florist]

Please send me that link to Matt

[firefight4]

To all, I am trying to start a premium QBID board called Q Television Network (Pink Sheets: QBID). A premium board allows paying members of IHUB to post on the board but non-paying members will not be able to post but they will be able to read the board. So if you would like to see this happen then please write IHUB Matt a message asking him to allow this to occur. thanks. I just sent Matt a message asking him to change the name of this board to the one mentioned above so let's hope he sees the need for this.

[florist]

This was the part I focused on..

This brings me back to the main point. The Gay Games will enable Q Television to be in 150 of the top markets in the United States, and it will be broadcast in 40 countries. It has enabled Q Television to make long term commitments to the countries that are carrying the Gay Games, and help us to negotiate the cable operator contracts. As I reflect further, I believe that Q Television will be profitable by the end of the 2nd quarter of 2006.

[florist]

Zeus, I'm trying to step very lightly here. Please don't misinterpret or feel I've gone against you. I certainly understand how frustrating it can be on the hub board, which is why most of the gay folks left. But I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ABOUT LOBO.
You do have a right to your own opinion, and I will not get in the middle of that. I hope we can all one day look back on this entire experience with Q and laugh about it. You take care and hope u have a good weekend.

[florist]

You have my total support

[florist]

Lobo, I do not think you are a basher, or anti gay, or any of the things I saw today. You have a right to associate with anyone you want. I happen to also respect Junk, DKgross, and others I don't always agree with, but doesn't mean we can't sit down and have a beer and a good laugh together. My God this is only a stock. Life is already too complicated to fight with the people who support us.

[firefight4]

florist, something i have been thinking about and i would like your input as well as the others here. I would like for the good peeps here to ask Matt to allow us to change the board name to Q Television Network(Pink Sheets: QBID). A premium Q board for all the good people who pay their hard-earned money to post here. Tonight I will put together a post and send it to Matt to get the ball rolling. If you get a chance I am asking you and all the other good peeps here to send Matt a message to help support this effort. For some reason he does not want 2 Q boards. I don't know why. But I think we deserve one for those of us who spend their hard earned money.

[florist]

Fire, thanks for being out there...My God Q has everyone on edge these days. What is so weird about it all, I'm more convinced of Q's success than ever before. I too have been adding, ( Nothing compared to your millions, but enough to set me free from the chains of the florist biz.

[florist]

Oh man, Oh man!! Lord wake me up from this twilight zone. This is soooooooo unreal.
DJ said it well and I too have the same mutual respect for Lobo.

[firefight4]

florist, all is well on my end. I added 1.5 million shares yesterday and will continue to add whenever i can. Other than that, working two jobs until the Q Express takes off hahahaha

[florist]

Hi Gang, Hope all is well....

[firefight4]

Frank did say something today that was a real eye opener. He said he thinks Q will be profitable at the end of 2nd quarter 2006(right around Gay Games in July). Now before today he was saying that we would be breakeven in 2008. So something has changed. People are always looking for negatives but what is Frank trying to tell us without actually telling us? hahahahah you get my drift?

[firefight4]

The only thing that frightens me about Q is how many shares i will own if we don't move higher in the next couple of months hahahahahaha At these levels i will add whenever possible.

[firefight4]

imo, Frank is no longer able to play games when it comes to Q. Too many people watching now such as Time Warner etc. IMO, if he wants to get the most bang for his buck when he sells Q he is going to have to make sure that everything is done on the up and up from now on. My guess is that everything is planned out now and while we are waiting he is trying to give us as much info as possible as we wait for things to unfold. Bottomline, things take time and they will happen on their schedule and not ours. Basically, Frank gave us a pep talk today so we will keep the faith and hold on while he continues to move Q forward.

[firefight4]

7/29/2005 - From Frank Olsen- REFLECTIONS OF A CEO
http://qtelevision.com/site/investorinfo.asp
July 29, 2005

To Our Valued Shareholders:



As CEO of a company that has planned gay television for four years, I am now privileged enough to have seen gay television on the air for almost a year. What brings this to mind is that the talent, production people and support staff of the station are now getting ready for the new season.


Last year at this time we had no shows that we produced ourselves - we used tapes that we had purchased, and the station had no identity. Even though we had been in planning, there was no "QTN". Today, everyone in the cable industry knows about Q Television, and most of them know that we have gay programming available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, with up to 30 hours of live programming and at least 40% of original programming.


Our first anniversary is approaching quickly. We have come a long way since the taping of "Q on the Move" and the hiring of our first talent: Chrisanne Eastwood, Jack E. Jett, Scott Withers and Nick Oram. These are huge milestones that have been reached. Admittedly, mistakes have been made, but the best decision we ever made was to support the gay community in whatever they do, such as events, parades, etc.


We are the official broadcaster of the Gay Games, as well as a major sponsor. As I look at the budget for the next 18 months, I believe that, because of that decision, Q Television is going to be profitable faster than most cable stations. The norm for most cable stations is they are not profitable within their first 3-5 years. However, when they start the turnaround, the profits are unbelievable. When an independent station is sold, the rewards are enormous. Here are several examples of stations that were sold for billions of dollars: American Movie Channel, Bravo and other Black entertainment channels.


This brings me back to the main point. The Gay Games will enable Q Television to be in 150 of the top markets in the United States, and it will be broadcast in 40 countries. It has enabled Q Television to make long term commitments to the countries that are carrying the Gay Games, and help us to negotiate the cable operator contracts. As I reflect further, I believe that Q Television will be profitable by the end of the 2nd quarter of 2006.


The stock is down, and I blame myself for that because I haven't shown the shareholders where Q Television has been and where it is today. We are going to produce a DVD specifically for the shareholders to walk them through the history and the future of Q Television. Those shareholders who are interested, can contact Rich Brown at [e-mail] to obtain a copy.


We will be doing a shareholders’ meeting which we hope to schedule in late summer or early fall. We are aiming to make the meeting interactive so it is viewable from certain hotels in subscriber areas. I will be doing the meeting from the studio in Burbank where there will be room for an audience of 200 people. Shareholders will be able to ask questions through an 800 number and through email. Every question that pertains to QTN will be answered. If you tune in late, you can request a video copy to be sent to you. I am excited to offer our shareholders an opportunity to talk to me directly during this call. Please send an email to Rich Brown ([e-mail]) if you are interested in participating in the meeting and/or with questions you have.


Regards,

Frank Olsen

President and CEO

Q Television Network

Information Source: Q Television Network

[lobogotti]

and I don't know how you do it.


hahahahahahahaaaaa...people don't make it easy....but the blue pills help

also one the interest on your profile....carbs...LOL



gas prices are making me sick...but Bush has been making me sick for over 5 years now...but i don't even want to go there here.....sorry fire

[Dolly Llama]

Lobo, According to the NYTimes, Bushanus is currently about 9 billion miles away. What with gasoline prices soaring and everything, I certainly hope you'll reconsider your vacation plans.

You're a great moderator - just what the board needs - and I don't know how you do it. I'm not referring to any temporary dispute with Zeus, I'm talking about the day to day of it. Coraggio!

[lobogotti]

Spring.....I would never ask you to side with me. I respect you, we converse and I enjoy it. I know your character from the boards and you are not one to believe I would bash this stock, nor would I support bashers.

Zeus is a good person, I was kind to her and so many others. I could care less if you're black, white, gay or straight. Some of the people I trust most on here are fit all those categories.

I took a mod job, I do that job to the best of my abilities. It is just sad that some people brainwash others. I truly feel sorry for those folks and I know you're not one of them.

We have talked and continue to talk in PM's. I have consulted you in the past and probably will continue to do so in the future. I appreciate your need in feeling like it deserved a reply, but I don't want to get you all in this tussle.

Zeus thinks of me ill, so be it.

Bushanus sounds like about as far as I could get away for a vacation right now....where can you purchase tickets???

[djr63]

ahhh..interchangable? Dubya talks out of both so it would stand to reason LOL!

[Dolly Llama]

It serves as both his bran and his anu....nevermind.

[djr63]

I think it should be named Bushanus

I thought his name was Carl something? No wait...that's his brain...well, could be his anu....nevermind.

DJ
shuffling off to Buf... no, that doesn't work...DJ OUT!

[Dolly Llama]

I know I'm stepping into someone else's argument here, but I know Lobo to be a very good guy with a very tough job - moderating a stock board. And Zeus is a great person who feel passionately about things. Though at this particular moment it may not feel like it to either of you, I see you as both on the same side.

On another subject, they just announced the discovery of the tenth planet in our solar system. I'm not kidding. It is farther away than Pluto, bigger, but at a 44 degree angle to the ecliptic, which is why they didn't discover it before. They haven't named it yet, but since we already have Uranus, I think it should be named Bushanus. I'm not kidding about that either.

[lobogotti]

Hey, Maybe I am wierd because I am an old dyke, but I would never put a picture of someone I supposedly loved on a website, and then get sexual connotations from posters and laugh with them.

first of all, they are joking. the pictures were put up from when i went to chicago. i used my wife's picture as a signature. she was wearing a Q hat, it was the same thing as skunks putting up a picture of frank. my wife knows her picture is on here. does that change the fact that i love the woman....people make comments, but they are joking and i get along with most people over there. if i took offense i would say something about it. i took the pictures off my post because too many people were commenting about it and i felt it not right for the board.


This is just me. Plus, I would never consider going to a party at Socal's house. How wierd is that. A moderator considering going to a bashers house.

you need to figure out what definition of a basher is....SoCal for sure isn't one of them....he is a true long. you need to get your facts straight. go back and read his posts, just because he can't get along with skunks doesn't make him a basher.


This says a lot to me. Maybe that is why I have to be jailed here huh. Sounds good to me. See, I have a vested interest in QTN being a success because I am gay, I am here until QTN is a success and that helps me get my total rights or until QTN goes bust. A lot of people are here for day trading, or to destroy Q. When moderators get in bed with the bashers something is very wrong.

again, i am not in bed with bashers. i look at OUR investments from all angles. sorry this isn't germany and Hitler isn't in charge. people can think for themselves. why can't you understand that???



Spring and Florist this stock is dealing with a lot of unknown attackers, I believe we have some on the Qbid board that we as gay people put our trust into, and now that QTN is doing so many positive things the moderators are indistinquishable from the bashers.

i think you should let Spring and florist speak for themselves. i am very friendly with them both...and we know how spring feels about skunks. i support this stock and i supported you....most importantly i support your community...how can you not see that???


Could this be a right wing thing, imo it is, but you decide for yourselfs. I will not take part in it especially with someone who puts someone they supposedly love up for grabs to be talked about by scumbags on these boards. imo of course.

this is pure ignorance talking. zeus i am not sure what has gotten into you. you have really unimpressed me....and it is a shame. i said alot of nice things to you, stood up for you and put up with your lies about your identity from RB....that right....you denied being zanzy and i know for a fact that you were. why you would lie says alot about you.

[zeus1]

Oh dear dear dear. Don't you hate that expression. I do.

[lobogotti]

sorry dear...the post was by SoCal...not Sputnick

[zeus1]

oh Ok djr, I had the wrong basher. Sorry. But, otherwise I feel I am right.

[djr63]

You're wrong zeus, it's not sputnik, it's Social Helix...

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Posted by: Socal_Helix
In reply to: ethereal wolf who wrote msg# 145849 Date:7/29/2005 5:13:11 PM
Post #of 145875

I don't offer what i don't intend to deliver. If ayone is in southern California for that shareholders discussion we can coordinate in here, have a little BBQ and drink a few cold beers then head overe to the studio in Burbank. I think it would be a HUGE riot to have a shareholders party and I'm certainly game to host it.

mark this post and feel free to think about it. Beer, burgers, and genuine southern california guacamole and chips on me.

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And the offer is open to anyone.

I think you're wrong about Lobo too. But that's just me. For a straight man, he's gone out of his way (and taken his wife with him) to support OUR community, our investment (his also), our rights, and there should be more of him in this world.

Lobo has also been nothing but nice to everyone I've ever seen him come in contact with on these boards. He took the time and expense to go to a QTN event and reported back to everyone what he saw. He's spent a lot of time doing research and writing posts and I don't know, but I'm guessing that moderating the QBID board (or any board for that matter) takes personal time away from him also. How can you even suggest there is something wrong with that?

My take on him conversing with the 'bashers' is he's trying to understand why they're bashing. And some that you call bashers (and I admit I did too) aren't as bad as you think. They bring up good points and don't spin everything to the good side. Yes, some may be a little TOO negative at times, but when something is done right, they give credit where it's due.

Lobo is trying to be an informed investor as we all should, and for that you need the good and the not so good. IMO Lobo has done nothing wrong and isn't biased towards anyone.

He's a great guy and it shows in the respect he shows to everyone, basher or not.

Too bad some don't return it.

That's my 2 cents!
Have a nice wekend!
DJ