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Don’t need to read TH’s BS. FnF owe nothing to anyone anymore.
Thanks Neo, I just subscribed to TH blog. Good info.
I never trusted him since day 1
Fannie to the Moon, Tomorrow
With leaders like Tim Howard, who needs enemies. Instead of rallying his followers, he's given up. PATHETIC!
Here government is and has always been the problem.
Hey government too bad you have immunity for your stupidity...
Now drop your weapons and get out of the way. Let the private sector back in. The private sector that made fannie and freddie capable of withstanding your onslaught and treasonous takeover....
Government... go home.
Serious question here. The Conservator is supposed to have a duty to "Conserve and Preserve." Let's forget the history we all know here and assume this to be true. How is it they can give away billion$ to low income housing when their stated duty is to conserve and preserve. I would expect they should not be allowed, legally, to give ANY of that money away. Other than being the government that nationalized the GSEs, how do they get away with this?
thought so. fhfa has amassed close to thousand useless overheads with job security and billions to dole out in various programs , they can't even do stress test properly. tsy getting free money 100%, lawyers getting fee and may get 300 million from class action, so why bother responding? right? shareholders lost everything, 16 years $1500 down to $0.40, lost retirement and 529. i have my doubts that this will resolve anytime soon as there isn't any urgency. only hope is libor and maybe cfpb case soon decided by scotus. we may get another calabria like who would move the goal post to 5% and hide stress test.
I know the feeling. I have contacted my congressman and senators, but no real response.
John Cornyn responded saying that the government cannot worry about people making bad investment decisions.
After I rebutted that statement he never answered again.
I am not following the Lamberth filings so I cannot say what the exact status is. But I think Navy previously posted a copy of an email from the plaintiff counsel saying they expected the USG to file an appeal, despite the verdict. I would agree with that thinking. I would estimate the whole Shebang could take another 12-24 months.
Unfortunately no response.
Translation: we are f*cked until TSY decides to play fair.
Benson is out in his official capacity tomorrow - he exited the last of his shares at 1.45-1.46, and yet we just closed at 1.48
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1444618/000112760213017852/xslF345X03/form4.xml
Great find and thanks for sharing. I read what Tim wrote. All good stuff but somewhat confusing and hard to understand. Maybe someone can explain what he is saying in plain English.
clarencebeaks: WTF is the legal standing / situation with Lamberth's jury case. I have nothing coming since I'm only in FNMA but some clarity would be nice. Is he following protocol, are the two sides still haggling over something arcane, or .... ??!!
99.99 % of all insiders never spent a dime to buy shares.
How do/did they get shares ?
They got shares through granting.
Now most of insiders are filing form 3 to open for future granting of free shares upon releasing from conservatorship
Any insider information would/should have been
acted on when F & F were trading in the .50-.70
range. Quick increases of share price is the FOMO.
These two will not make any lasting gains until they
have been released from Conservatorship. Once these
are released, share prices will be in the double digits,
and volume will increase dramatically. Joe B doesn't
care and neither does his opponent. They have more
pressing problems. I hope to see them released in my
lifetime, but it has gone on too long.
stockanalyze, yes I have contacted several of the lawyers involved, in addition I contacted the FINANCIAL SERVICES Committee Members 118th CONGRESS. Also, contacted my local House of Representative. Hope you are doing something to help our cause. Best Regards
Crappy Alias (RickNagra)
Read the latest comments from Tim Howard on the senior preferred stock and SPS line of credit: https://howardonmortgagefinance.com/2024/01/16/the-crt-charade/#comments
rodney, you have written this many times over here. the thing is to reach out to all the plaintiff lawyers involved to date. have you?
Rkt - that's how a stock shd react for fascinating results in this housing market
FNMA and FMCC - go figure
3R or pay $1.5B fine with upcoming FNMA common lawsuit
For both JPS & FMCC common, total fine plus interest is $900M. If you add FNMA common in future lawsuit, GSEs have to pay $1.5B.
Why would they pay $1.5B? They can just do 3R. That makes everbody happy.
Please pass the joint friend…
Well said. I prefer just to keep it more simple. The NWS is alive n well and to be employed at the discretion of the conservator.
Thanks.
Suit Up with High-Altitude Gear
and take a 3D Printed Fish Filet
for the Flight to the upper realms
of FNMA and FMCC stratosphere
"whack a mole" day today. MM's have strict orders to keep under 1.50
it's all fixed
FNMA volume so far: 1.8 million shares
FMCC volume so far: 645,000
WEIRD
What it does mean is that if they are to do so (convert senior preferred shares to any other class) they will need another amendment. After the jury decision, presided over by Lamberth, I want to see how they pull off yet another self-enriching act knee-capping current shareholders. Any new amendment will be the perfect opportunity to reassess the full picture and, in light of all that has transpired, the new assessment should be quite positive for the company and current shareholders.
And think about who has positons... John Paulson, Carl Icahn, Bill Ackman, etc....Think of the Legal Power those 3 guys have on our side and their ability to litigate with the top lawyers in the game!
Let's give the ba$tard$ what they so desperately desire: free reign to enrich their selected winners. Time to false flag post you have had it with the corruption and are exiting your positions. I'll start: over the next week I will liquidate in 25% chunks. They obviously will not make a move until they face no risk of enriching the plebians.
DoNotUnderstand,
Yes, it states this in the SPSA:
6. No Conversion or Exchange Rights
The holders of shares of the Senior Preferred Stock shall not have any right to convert such shares into or exchange such shares for any other class or series of stock or obligations of the Company.
However, this doesn't mean it's not possible to happen. FHFA and Treasury simply have to agree to another amendment to change these terms. Treasury doesn't have the *right* to convert, but FHFA can *offer* them to convert, if that makes sense.
Whether FHFA does or doesn't offer conversion, or what they may offer may depend on directions given to the FHFA Director by our Executive leader. IMO, Sandra Thompson isn't going to offer anything to Treasury, as she is awaiting instructions that may or may not be coming.
i think we can be pretty certain that some serious
insider trading is now going on, and, assuming
plans will be in place for release, some double
serious insider trading will be going on big time
treasury secretaries, heads of large government administrative bureaucracies, heads of government sponsored entities, voters that can't or won't pay their own bills...
probably missed some as well.
there is so much corruption behind all of this. makes you wonder if the lawyers have been on the take from the TBTF banksters as well.
the list is amazing, something the mob would tip their hats too
paid off list-
judges
media
BOD
social media
lawyers
who am I missing?
why don't the TBTF banksters pay us off to go away? LOL
Lawyers failed and never applied the Law! The argument in the courts “pay me my dividends.” The SCOTUS basically said we will not be an arbitrator in such matters of contract. SPSPA is an illegal contract that requires the application of Law to prove it’s an illegal contract which non of the lawyers brought the Law before the Judges. The courts dismissed the lawsuits…
Charter act prohibits the commitment fees (Seniors, warrants, variable liquidation preference). More importantly the actions of Treasury to appropriate 200 billion in taxpayer debt, take non regulatory control of the companies through the SPSPA (require Treasury permission at least 10 separate times) and ownership of more than 50% of the companies requires them under the GAO act and the CFO act to consolidate the GSEs onto the nations balance sheet. The fact that that hasn't happened means the Treasury has violated the 14th amendment to the Constitution by repudiating the 5 trillion plus in debt the Treasury has acquired through their actions since 2008. Their actions have resulted in a takings of the entire enterprise value of the formerly private companies. These actions have necessarily turned the GSEs back into agencies of the executive branch as they were originally created. This is the definition of a major question and also a separation of powers problem since Congress did not authorize the actions Treasury took and continues to take. Non of the lawyers mentioned any of this.
“I do not think SCOTUS ruled on this specifically.”
The reason that specific part of Alito’s rationale is precedential is because it is necessary to the court’s explanation that supports its opinion. That is a basic concept of law.
?
I thought some one cleared this up with the distinction
Conservator acting as conservator - and in norms - has a ton and then more capacity/authority to do what they want (and all is kosher and 4617 or whatever is a stop sign)
Conservator acting as conservator - but ULTRA VIRES - can be reviewed by a court and 4617 is not a stop sign
I do not think SCOTUS ruled on this specifically - but said GOV followed rules in setting up the NWS and FHFA is within the norm
(although a breach of an equity contract is pursuable)
??
Assuming that case in the link was never heard en banc, and that it remained a two-person panel majority, their opinion was simply superseded by Collins.
Future lower court decisions are duty-bound to follow Collins, not a conflicting decision in any federal circuit at any level.
it says not convertible ?
there have been 1,000 posts on if and when and how the GOV will convert the SPS to common
you say the agreement says they are not convertible
help from some one who knows a lot more
Millett and Ginsburg summarized the case and their 70-page opinion as follows:
Quote: “ We hold that the stockholders’ statutory claims are barred by the Recovery Act’s strict limitation on judicial review. See 12 U.S.C. § 4617(f). ” End of Quote
STRICT LIMITATION ON JUDICIAL REVIEW
The SCOTUS is barred from ruling on the case. It was dismissed.
Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/02/21/d-c-circuit-concludes-recovery-act-bars-judicial-review-of-suits-against-fhfa-over-treatment-of-fannie-and-freddie-shareholders/
The problem is not with the rulings of the courts. The problem is and always has been that the plaintiffs attorneys have only challenged the “Actions of the Conservator” such as the NWS or other provisions of SPSPA which is a contract. 4617f bars courts from questioning the actions of a conservator. As it should. None of the 15 + years worth of court cases have challenged the action of the FHFA as regulator or Treasury with respect to the statutes that actually matter. The charter act, safety and soundness act, chief financial officer act, etc. To get a takings or an illegal exaction verdict, you have to show that the gov broke the laws. The actions of the conservator cant break a law. But if you go before a judge and say the SPSPA is bad and the gov stole our companies and limiting the argument to the specifics of the SPSPA agreement and the amendments you get 15 years of no results.“
several posts within a minute, i could not even type with spelling mistakes suggests well cordinated effort here. look them up. beware.
Guido,
If you wake up one morning to find your feet encased in concrete, and before your journey ends, know that we appreciate your efforts
Quite a few big buys so far in the day. We should be turning green momentarily. Please be prepared and look your best. Whales like well dressed and well mannered astute brilliant smart intelligent investors.
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