Fannie Mae-No Politics (FNMA)

[Cubshawk]

jog49 I read it as a method to stop Fannie and Freddie paying for the Obama ACA medical insurance subsidies. Nobody seems to be able to say just stop taking F&F money to pay for these subsidies so we have to play political games by introducing legislation. If it works....fine!

I think the obamacare subsidies were being funded (in part) by the net worth sweep - not the housing trust fund. Stopping the housing trust fund won't have any effect on the subsidy and/or general treasury funds.

[Jason-H]

true. I bought the dip

[jog49]

I read it as a method to stop Fannie and Freddie paying for the Obama ACA medical insurance subsidies. Nobody seems to be able to say just stop taking F&F money to pay for these subsidies so we have to play political games by introducing legislation. If it works....fine!

[Cubshawk]

navycmdr When the mkt Lemmings OVER REACT -

Recognize it ... Take Advantage of it .... and TRADE ACCORDINGLY

Fannie & Freddie making $Billions CASH PROFITS each QTR

liquidating Shareholders & Assetts is a processs of Receivership & Bankruptcy

NEITHER ONE APPLY to FANNIE and FREDDIE

I hear what you are saying - but the net worth sweep didn't follow any legal precedent and it's been sustained thus far. So far the courts are saying the Gov can do basically anything it wants to with the GSE's.

Don't get me wrong - I'm fully invested in Fannie and Freddie. But I don't know if 'the law' is necessarily what's going to win this for us (if we do prevail). Logic tells me this is too big of a gamble to bet heavily on the right thing happening. But I like to think the rule of law still matters in the US. Maybe I'm a naive fool...

[Warhead]

YEEEHAWWWW! Buy the dip!

[Cubshawk]

jog49:

What? We've actually got some friends in Congress?????!!!!!!!

I don't know if I read that as a friendly position. Isn't this a way to force the GSE's to continue to make full dividend payments? In other words - if FHFA only makes a partial payment then they can't contribute to the housing trust fund. It's a way to force the GSE's to make full payments.

Am I reading this wrong?




H.R.4560 - To suspend contributions by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the Housing Trust Fund during any period that the full required dividend payments under the Senior Preferred Stock Purchase Agreements for such enterprises are not made, and for other purposes.

[HoldenWalker99]

Administrative solution does not preclude a legislative one. Congress could write Moelis word-for-word into a bill and implement it. Just because it was intended as a administrative solution (thinking Congress wouldn't act) doesn't mean it can't be implemented legislatively, probably with some edits.

[navycmdr]

When the mkt Lemmings OVER REACT -

Recognize it ... Take Advantage of it .... and TRADE ACCORDINGLY

Fannie & Freddie making $Billions CASH PROFITS each QTR

liquidating Shareholders & Assetts is a processs of Receivership & Bankruptcy

NEITHER ONE APPLY to FANNIE and FREDDIE

Bankruptcy is a legal status of a person or other entity that cannot repay debts to creditors.
In most jurisdictions, bankruptcy is imposed by a court order, often initiated by the debtor.

In law, receivership is a situation in which an institution or enterprise is held by a receiver—
a person "placed in the custodial responsibility for the property of others, including tangible
and intangible assets and rights"—especially in cases where a company cannot meet
financial obligations or enters bankruptcy.

[HoldenWalker99]

Easiest way to cash out is load up on Fannie/Freddie shares and save the GSEs. We should all hope that they're corrupt and greedy. Helps us.

[eltatriton]

Does anyone have anything thoughts on the new GSE Jumpstart bill? Looking around on the internet, people say it's bad news?

It looks like a standalone bill, while the original one was attached to a spending bill? This means the house and Senate will need to vote on it.

Glen: Given the limited information yesterday, it looked like Moelis was the plan, but today is a new day and with all the new information coming to light and the new GSE extension bill, how do you feel about Moelis being implemented? Moelis was purely administrative, but it looks like with will be dealt with legislatively seeing so many parties have their own ideas.

[stink stack]

Porker is a Puke

[jog49]

What? We've actually got some friends in Congress?????!!!!!!!

[kthomp19]

Corker-Warner/Moelis is the plan.

This doesn't make any sense. The Moelis plan was drafted as a purely administrative reform. We don't have nearly enough information about Corker-Warner II to make any comparisons yet.

[snapple]

8 years of waiting I want my company bk that u stole all u pos

[NobodyFromNowhere]

Every time I hear the name Mike Bright, the stock tanks. I think Mike Milken planted him to destroy current shareholders

[kip128932156]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4560/all-actions?r

[FreeFNMA]

Its funny they waited this long to try and do something. they know that if they wait till after Jan 2nd they will have no say in the matter....good luck getting this to pass

[stockprofitter]

One of the two will have a better ratio of return and put all skeptisicm to rest. $$$$$

[ZZ Fannie]

Both Hensarling and Corker want to cash out so that they'll be set for life after they leave Senate. Political Greedy Vultures... SO GROSSED OUT!

[navycmdr]

Short Takes: Not Happy with Jeb’s GSE Comments
Lame Duck or Not…
White House Leaning Toward Michael Bright
Granite Ramps Up Commercial Commitments

Thursday Dec 7, 2017 ... By Paul Muolo ... [e-mail]



Rep. Jeb Hensarling’s comment Wednesday about his (continued) desire to euthanize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac didn’t go over well with several GSE partisans in Washington, DC. The Community Mortgage Lenders of America said the Texas Republican’s “proposed course of action” would be harmful to small and medium-sized originators…

One GSE watcher who used to work for the Mortgage Bankers Association dismissed much of what Hensarling said, noting that he’s a “lame duck.” Hensarling will retire from Congress after his term ends. However, if the mortgage industry wants to see a GSE/housing reform bill in 2018 any legislation will have to get past Hensarling, who chairs the powerful House Financial Services Committee…

We understand that it’s only a matter of time before the White House officially nominates acting Ginnie Mae President Michael Bright to be the permanent head of the agency. The previous candidate for the job, mortgage executive David Kittle, got tired of waiting to be nominated and threw in the towel…

Commercial mortgage REIT Granite Point Mortgage Trust said it closed additional senior floating rate commercial real estate loans (commitments) of $252 million in October and November. Granite was spun off by Two Harbors this fall…

[navycmdr]

New CFPB Acting Director Mulvaney Moves Quickly to Intervene in Legal Case

Thursday Dec 7, 2017 ... By Thomas Ressler ... [e-mail]



Under new management, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau this week took action that may be a harbinger of a more laissez-faire approach to regulatory enforcement.

In the spring of 2015, the bureau sued Ohio-based Nationwide Biweekly Administration and Loan Payment Administration in federal district court, accusing them of misrepresenting the interest savings consumers would achieve through a biweekly mortgage payment program. The defendants collected roughly $49 million in setup fees between 2011 and 2014, according to the bureau’s account.

This past September, the CFPB got a split verdict in a ruling from the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California in the case. The agency won a $7.9 million civil penalty from the defendants, but lost on $74 million in sought-after restitution. Claiming financial distress, the defendants asked the court to hold off on collecting the civil penalty.

On Nov. 27, the day Mick Mulvaney assumed control of the bureau, the agency filed a brief insisting that the defendants be required to post a bond if the penalty is delayed. Two days later – reportedly after Mulvaney was informed about the brief by an attorney representing the defendants – the CFPB reversed course.

[Clark6290]

Despite the potential positive developments, the market seems to have little optimism for Fannie and Freddie at this point. Both stocks are down more than 2.3 percent in the past month and are down more than 23 percent year-to-date.

Hundreds of posts in 12 hours fanaticizing about PPS increase. Appears the INVESTING COMMUNITY has made it clear - FNMA still a gamble at best.

[navycmdr]

If Rep. Hensarling Gets His Way, GSE Shareholders Would be Wiped Out

Thursday Dec 7, 2017 ... By Paul Muolo ... [e-mail]



First, the good news: House Financial Services Committee Chairman Jeb Hensarling, R-TX, said he’s ready to cut a deal on GSE reform and is now open to the idea of using Ginnie Mae to be a more active guarantor. The bad news: He wants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac eliminated, a move that would likely wipe out investors that own GSE common and junior preferred shares.

“The [Hensarling] plan is negative as written for shareholders of Fannie and Freddie as he calls for the companies to be liquidated,” said Cowen analyst Jaret Seiberg in a new report.

If the Texas Republican gets his way, investment firms including Pershing Square and Fairholme Funds stand to lose the millions they’ve invested in GSE common and preferred. Hensarling made his remarks Wednesday during a forum held by the National Association of Realtors.

Of course, it’s early in the process. As reported by Inside Mortgage Finance two weeks ago, the Senate is working on GSE/housing finance reform legislation and Hensarling is still clinging to concepts floated in his past bill, the Protecting American Taxpayers and Homeowners Act.

[Latergater]

Both classes will do great. Was just stating the difference to another poster who said there were none.

[navycmdr]

Why Fannie And Freddie Have A Path To Survival

Wayne Duggan , Benzinga Staff Writer December 07, 2017 12:06pm


Why Fannie And Freddie Have A Path To Survival

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While most U.S. companies are hoping for an earnings boost from tax reform,

Federal National Mortgage Association FNMA 1.35%

and Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp FMCC 1.72%

are simply hoping to survive. According to one analyst, reports on a newly-drafted Senate housing finance reform bill are good news for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac investors.

The Analyst

Height Securities analyst Edwin Groshans.

The Thesis

Groshans says the current draft of the housing finance bill allows Fannie and Freddie to continue to exist in conservatorship until other competitors enter the MBS guarantee market.

“This development is a positive for GSE shareholders and we have an encouraging outlook on the probability of passage of a bill as Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Senator Bob Corker (R-TN), and House Financial Services Committee Chair Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) appear to be working together to develop or support bipartisan housing finance reform legislation,” Groshans wrote Thursday.

Details on the bill are still unknown at this point, but Groshans said it appears as if Fannie and Freddie may be allowed to exit conservatorship at some point down the line. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has said housing finance reform will be a top priority of the current administration in 2018.

In November, Bloomberg reported the Treasury has been discussing having Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac retain a portion of the fourth-quarter dividend payments in an effort to begin recapitalizing the government-sponsored enterprises.

Fannie and Freddie have about $7 billion in dividend payments due to the Treasury by the end of the year, but Bloomberg reported they may be allowed to retain $2 to $3 billion, another positive step for Fannie and Freddie investors.

Price Action

Despite the potential positive developments, the market seems to have little optimism for Fannie and Freddie at this point. Both stocks are down more than 2.3 percent in the past month and are down more than 23 percent year-to-date.

[FreeFNMA]

both him and Corker are not seeking reelection. Not sure why that are working so hard on this right before they leave but who knows. they are enemies of the GSE's

[jog49]

I'm betting that does NOT turn the markets upside down!

[stockprofitter]

LOL - I did the EXACT OPPOSITE

[HoldenWalker99]

Sold remaining common shares... was 80%/20% preferred/common, now 100% preferred... I think common still a decent bet from here, but it's going to take a while. Too many preferred vs. common benefits.

Good luck to all.

[stockprofitter]

GREAT QUESTION LOL

[jog49]

....but only in liquidation proceedings. Who is it that you know that's being liquidated?

[stockprofitter]

BUY low SELL high

[QueenVic]

https://www.benzinga.com/analyst-ratings/analyst-color/17/12/10886250/why-fannie-and-freddie-have-a-path-to-survival

[stockprofitter]

Preferred PUMP AND DUMP by the masters of illusion.

[Latergater]

From the news last night. You can connect the dots on the rest. “Under the proposal, preferred shareholders of Fannie and Freddie could be made whole or close to it, depending on the final outlines of the transition, the people said. But common shareholders may not fare as well, they said. Whether and how shareholders get compensated in the transition to the new system is still an open question. Investors in the companies include several prominent hedge funds.”

[stockprofitter]

True, but only applies if FNF BANKRUPTCY

[Latergater]

False. A preferred stock is a class of ownership in a corporation that has a higher claim on its assets and earnings than common stock

[stockprofitter]

Just because they are "called Preferred" doesn't actually mean they are better.

[Letgoofmyfannie]

Ridiculous, no "hedgie" will drop a suit based on this news. No one drops a suit due to "hope", especially from the poison pen of a Joe Lightweight.

[streamer04]

pfd shares will always get the upper hand/better deal. Thats why they're called pfd.

C'mon people, this isnt rocket science.

[BaGr]

Pretty sure it can be a rider.

[HoldenWalker99]

Speculation was reverse?

There was no instance in the history of the world in which common get made "whole" and preferred get screwed.

[stockprofitter]

It still is. COmmons have NO CEILING

[wil318466]

Speculation that the prefs get made whole and commons get screwed. It's just speculation, the reverse was the sentiment for quite a while.

[streamer04]

This is a quote from "neo" on the google groups board. This guy absolutely nails it in my opinion.

"Looks to me as if the plan is a ploy to bait hedgies in preferred shares to drop their suits - use all the court losses & the lack of remaining suits as ammo to raid the common shares & write legislation which benefits banks at the expense of FnF & common shareholders... time will tell

The Courts have failed in the big picture goal...knowledgeable brave judges could have forced legislators to do put things right in most repects, but their lack of financial expertise and willingness to call out corruption will be devastating to commomers if warrants go through & pieces of company are legislated away"

[Donotunderstand]

??

continue to pay a ton for NWS but not the small amount to ...?

how is that logical?

?

[yambike]

"GSE jumpstart reauthorization act of 2017"

-Contemplates continued NWS to 2019.
-Also tells FHFA to no longer contribute to housing trust fund. Watt used this argument as a pretext for some capital retention.

Being a novice in regards to congressional procedures, I was wondering, is this a separate motion or can this be attached to the something else like the tax bill or debt raise?

Bradford was celebrating expiration of jumpstart before it happened. Another "moved the couch" moment. Premature celebration.

[Donotunderstand]

I think you posted that a year ago

[Latergater]

https://twitter.com/donotlose/status/938581593756782593

[kip128932156]

Another try to jumpstart bill 2019.. smh.
https://mobile.twitter.com/RobTVDC/status/938770149901029377/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fhowardonmortgagefinance.com%2F2017%2F11%2F30%2Fthe-economics-of-reform%2F