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Looks like the bulls are taking over. I expect a good run coming up right into earning season
Markets are on scary ground technically speaking. More downside could trigger a much deeper dip. I am gambling (small) that they are oversold and it will pop. I would not add unless a significant dip came then I would be happy to begin dumping larger money into the markets and wait for them to go on a tear again
starting buying bullish funds and ETF's looking for a pop soon will add into weakness
Its time to go bullish. May be a little more downside take that to add or get in on ETF's or Funds that move with the major markets. The cycle is clear as long as no major bad news spooks everyone
Thanks Again. Its time to think bullish ETF's and funds that deal with the DOW. SPX, and NASDAQ
Here is a follow-up on that scenario from today's paper.
Bond traders get the deflation jitters
As the global economy falters, an old foe is moving out of the shadows: deflation.
On the heels of a financial crisis in which governments printed money and spurred fears of inflation, investors are now moving in growing numbers to protect themselves against the threat of deflation.
Nowhere is that story playing out more clearly than in the bond market.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/bond-traders-get-the-deflation-jitters/article1623557/
On Tuesday, the bond market sided decisively with the deflationary camp, as U.S. interest rates crashed through a pair of psychologically important milestones. While the trend had yields moving lower, the yields on 10-year U.S Treasury notes dropped below 3 per cent on Tuesday, and those on the U.S. government’s 30-year bond fell below 4 per cent.
These are levels that have never been seen before, except during the worst periods of the 2008-09 market panic. Not to be outdone, yields on two-year bonds fell to new record lows, a paltry 0.59 per cent. Interest rates also dropped on government bonds around the world in countries as varied as Japan, Germany and Canada.
The bond market’s moves signal that a growing number of mainstream investors are lining up behind what was until recently a marginal view of the economy – the deflationist view. That camp has long taken a contrarian view of the global outlook, arguing that the world’s economy is actually on the verge of collapsing and that we're looking at a future where deflation, the dangerous condition of falling consumer price levels, becomes the new normal.
A deflationary scenario poses a threat because falling prices tend to lead to lower production, which spirals into lower wages and demand, which then puts further pressure on prices. It’s a viscous environment that is likely to pull the economy into a renewed recession, some market players believe.
Most economists and investors have been fretting about out-of-control government deficits and the supposed inflation threat all that red ink posed. But now, some are taking a closer look at the deflation argument.
Those who say bond yields are signalling economic weakness and deflation contend that the trend is being driven by de-leveraging, or consumers and businesses paying off their debts. Shifting money to debt repayment undermines the demand for goods, leading to weak economic conditions and intense pressure on companies to cut prices to win business.
Yields go down when bond prices are bid up. Investors have been snapping up the securities, despite the fact that the yields, like those on the U.S. two-year notes, are vanishingly small and close to zero. In a falling price environment however, protecting the money you have is often your best defence.
The immediate cause of Tuesday’s yield plunge was news that the U.S. Conference Board’s index of consumer confidence sagged in June, which placed the idea of a deteriorating economy in the United States starkly in front of investors. But that only added to the ongoing jitters over the health of Europe and worries that China, the world’s big growth engine, is sputtering.
Now the big question for investors is whether yields can fall even lower.
For some of the biggest bond bulls and deflation watchers, yields have much further to go on the downside because they see the economy remaining moribund.
“I think we’re heading for lower yields here,” predicts Gary Shilling, the eponymous head of A. Gary Shilling & Co. Inc., a New-Jersey based economic consulting firm.
Mr. Shilling has been a long-term bull on bonds, first calling on investors to snap them up in the early 1980s, when yields on ultra-safe long term U.S. Treasuries were 14 per cent and he sensed inflation was peaking. Now, he says the U.S. economy is on the cusp of having a deflation rate of 2 to 3 per cent a year, making the securities a good buy even with their current skinny yields.
“I’m still a fan of the long bond, the 30-year. I’ve loved that baby since 1981,” Mr. Shilling said.
He said the 10-year yield could fall as low as 2 per cent and the 30-year yield to 3 per cent.
Under the inverse relationship between bond prices and yields, Mr. Shilling’s bond forecast, even though it is for only a small one-percentage-point drop, would produce juicy returns from interest and capital gains in the long bond of about 25 per cent, or close to 40 per cent if the trade were done through the purchase of zero coupon bonds. “That’s a very, very attractive return for what still is the best piece of paper in the world,” Mr. Shilling says.
The process is likely to drive the economy into renewed recession, some market players believe.
Growth in the U.S. will peter out in the second half of the year “with a high probability of recession in 2011,” says Van Hoisington, president of Hoisington Investment Management Co., an Austin-based money manager who is bullish on bonds.
Mr. Hoisington says Treasury prices can continue going up (and their yields down) even though the U.S. has a huge federal deficit of more than $1-trillion (U.S.). This is happening because the stimulatory effects of the government spending are being overwhelmed by a massive contraction of debt in the rest of the economy.
He said debt is currently being repaid in the U.S. non-federal sector at a rate of about $2-trillion a year, weighing down on the overall economy and increasing the odds of deflation.
Very interesting indeed. Thank you
interesting article FWIW...
[B]The Third Depression[/B]
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: June 27, 2010
Recessions are common; depressions are rare. As far as I can tell, there were only two eras in economic history that were widely described as “depressions” at the time: the years of deflation and instability that followed the Panic of 1873 and the years of mass unemployment that followed the financial crisis of 1929-31.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/28/opinion/28krugman.html
Neither the Long Depression of the 19th century nor the Great Depression of the 20th was an era of nonstop decline — on the contrary, both included periods when the economy grew. But these episodes of improvement were never enough to undo the damage from the initial slump, and were followed by relapses.
We are now, I fear, in the early stages of a third depression. It will probably look more like the Long Depression than the much more severe Great Depression. But the cost — to the world economy and, above all, to the millions of lives blighted by the absence of jobs — will nonetheless be immense.
And this third depression will be primarily a failure of policy. Around the world — most recently at last weekend’s deeply discouraging G-20 meeting — governments are obsessing about inflation when the real threat is deflation, preaching the need for belt-tightening when the real problem is inadequate spending.
In 2008 and 2009, it seemed as if we might have learned from history. Unlike their predecessors, who raised interest rates in the face of financial crisis, the current leaders of the Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank slashed rates and moved to support credit markets. Unlike governments of the past, which tried to balance budgets in the face of a plunging economy, today’s governments allowed deficits to rise. And better policies helped the world avoid complete collapse: the recession brought on by the financial crisis arguably ended last summer.
But future historians will tell us that this wasn’t the end of the third depression, just as the business upturn that began in 1933 wasn’t the end of the Great Depression. After all, unemployment — especially long-term unemployment — remains at levels that would have been considered catastrophic not long ago, and shows no sign of coming down rapidly. And both the United States and Europe are well on their way toward Japan-style deflationary traps.
In the face of this grim picture, you might have expected policy makers to realize that they haven’t yet done enough to promote recovery. But no: over the last few months there has been a stunning resurgence of hard-money and balanced-budget orthodoxy.
As far as rhetoric is concerned, the revival of the old-time religion is most evident in Europe, where officials seem to be getting their talking points from the collected speeches of Herbert Hoover, up to and including the claim that raising taxes and cutting spending will actually expand the economy, by improving business confidence. As a practical matter, however, America isn’t doing much better. The Fed seems aware of the deflationary risks — but what it proposes to do about these risks is, well, nothing. The Obama administration understands the dangers of premature fiscal austerity — but because Republicans and conservative Democrats in Congress won’t authorize additional aid to state governments, that austerity is coming anyway, in the form of budget cuts at the state and local levels.
Why the wrong turn in policy? The hard-liners often invoke the troubles facing Greece and other nations around the edges of Europe to justify their actions. And it’s true that bond investors have turned on governments with intractable deficits. But there is no evidence that short-run fiscal austerity in the face of a depressed economy reassures investors. On the contrary: Greece has agreed to harsh austerity, only to find its risk spreads growing ever wider; Ireland has imposed savage cuts in public spending, only to be treated by the markets as a worse risk than Spain, which has been far more reluctant to take the hard-liners’ medicine.
It’s almost as if the financial markets understand what policy makers seemingly don’t: that while long-term fiscal responsibility is important, slashing spending in the midst of a depression, which deepens that depression and paves the way for deflation, is actually self-defeating.
So I don’t think this is really about Greece, or indeed about any realistic appreciation of the tradeoffs between deficits and jobs. It is, instead, the victory of an orthodoxy that has little to do with rational analysis, whose main tenet is that imposing suffering on other people is how you show leadership in tough times.
And who will pay the price for this triumph of orthodoxy? The answer is, tens of millions of unemployed workers, many of whom will go jobless for years, and some of whom will never work again.
I don't think there is a great deal left to the upside but I feel stuck in the middle now. Won't buy bears and won't buy bulls. Going to have to wait for a overbought or oversold situation again as far as the major exchanges go
Yes finally broke solidly into the green on my bull ETF's and Funds
I still think the market is going to be Volatile. May get more of a bullish push but watch out
Happy trading!!
Congratulations! You are quite the chart reader. Bought USD - Great day for BULLS!
cool still holding building bullish etf's, the struggle continues between bears and bulls this will break one way or the other soon
out of Gold. Into TAN, & double long ETF's on the TSE such as Materials & Oil. Watching USD.
Sorry to hear about that... I've done that many times. sometimes it really hurts :(
Bought more GOLD ETF's today
Man I messed up ung big time. Been holding a boatload of that at a break even for a few months dropped it right before it took off ugggggg lol
What a battle going on between bears and bulls. Still holding tight to my Bull funds. I am thinking this time we may break over the 200mda. If we do this runs some
great day for bullish etf's, More left in the run that's for sure
That's the golden question lol..I see a short rebound for sure after that don't know. There are certainly plenty of good reasons not to invest right now. I seen a pattern develop between the 50dma and 200dma thats what I am playing,. I doubt the rebound can break that 50 it is a wall right now. The support at the 200 is hard to break too unless another country talks about defaulting or something along those lines
Bottom line I don't see a great deal of downside left ( if at all) in the next trading cycle. I look to fundamentals here as well as the chart. Corporate earnings are good. The recovery is intact so far. Some good stocks just got hammered. Not going long just starting a trade
It's certainly going to be interesting. I'm agnostic for the most part so it should be interesting (yikes I've used that word twice in one sentence!) to see how it and if it bounces. I just looked at a bunch of charts & most of them are sitting on good (trendline) support from 6 to 8 months ago. So you could be very right. The downside is that many charts are broken & are below their 200 day moving average.
You have been playing the bear/bull ETF's very well so I will defer to you...
should be a good market week next week. Euro stopped its slide it left many US stocks undervalued. Rebound time
I dropped all bear markets etf's went into some aggressive funds as the market closed. Hope she holds!! lol
...here we go. Plunge time.
I dunno... only playing the 60 & 15 minute charts. Anything else is too risky LOL (IMHO) We break we go down fast & If we hang on the rocket ride will be tremendous.
Yes I did rebounded completely from fighting against the market when it broke off its lows a while back. I am selling out today into this spike I think the mkarket will pop back a little very soon. All indexes Sitting on the 200mda doubt it breaks through there. If it does look out below
good thing I got out of GOLD a few days ago...
Natural gas breakout failed - got stopped out for a small loss (mental stop - I haven't used physical stops in a long time - they are jut too dangerous as we witnessed today and a week or so ago)
I played intraday some bear ETF's .
You must be doing very well on your inverse ETF's - Congratulations!
Looks like it is over for now. Out all Gold & silver ETF's.
Entered natural gas ETF. Looks like a breakout.
amazing run on Gold
another great day for GOLD ETF's! Silver too...
yeah what a wild week. The markets needed this finally the chart is starting to look realistic. More down side coming but I really don't think too much more. Merely a market correction unless other countries start to go belly up in Europe
That was fun today :)
VXX trade didn't work out 26.93
GOLD up $34.00! hehehe
looks like another plunge down starting to develop
here we go... getting ready to buy more VXX-n on the one minute chart: in 27.21
GOLD up $24.70
If Europe doesn't get fixed real soon we will take out the lows from March/April 09. That's my prediction FWIW only.... hehehe
yeah what a great day! GOLD & VXX were clear winners today. I'm gonna continue to hold GOLD but I've dumped (for now) VXX on the NYSE for a really nice move. Too busy right now to post percentages - will do that later tonight...
still holding bear etf's what a day!
back in HGU.to GOLD up $31.00!
sorry for the double posts anything stock related is real slow ... including trades
out VXX
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