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Check out the building of a fish shop..........
http://www.reeflife.co.uk/profile.html
This pair currently has fry now. Willing to make a great deal for you on both fry and parents!
There you have it. If you are from Craigslist use that email. Others you should already have my contact info.
Anyone with any questions let me know.
If you don't see what you are looking for here let me know.
I know others who have great well cared for fish like I care for mine.
Different kinds then mine.
I will set you up with them.
I want you to get the type of fish that makes you happy.
This isn't about the $$$ for me.
It is though about bringing people happiness through taking up the hobby of caring for the King of the Aquarium!
5" Yellow Crystal x ??? The person I got this from at around 2" has no idea on the cross as the fish he was sent was not as advertised that bred with his Yellow Crystal.
Did I mention my camera SUCKS?
I can't wait to see your reaction compared to the picture when you see this in person.
The lines are defined as well as the spotted type area's.
Notice the high body on this fish?
It is 5" long as well as tall.
It has some bulldog in him to give it the height
This is a male I'm quite sure. Ready to pair up.
Has been observed pecking at the glass.
This beautiful fish goes for $65.00
First picture shows him about 4 months ago when I was giving the pair a rest in the community tank they decided to get busy again. LOL!
There he is waiting his turn to go over the eggs.
I was amazed the mate of the female didn't chase him out of there.
Updated pictures........
Leopard Snake skin is 5.5" This fish is absolutely beautiful when you see it up close. Beautiful red spots developing. Unfortunately you will have to see it.
Did I mention this camera SUCKS?
Unlike others I don't edit my pictures to sell fish.
So expect to see much more beautiful fish when you see them in person.
LSS for $75.00
I have 3 Blue Diamonds. Smallest one is 5". Next is 5 1/4
Largest is 6"
I'm going to put them all on this page and the two smallest hard for me to tell them apart so they go first and largest last.
These fish should be getting close if not there to the pairing up age.
Camera sucks as the color on these fish are so much nicer then what you are seeing as you will see when you come here.
The 5" and 5 1/4 are $50.00 a peice.
The 6" goes for $60.00
Next few posts are of fish for sale. Local pick up only.
Sorry but I'm just a hobbyist at this time not set up for shipping.
Yellow Crystal Pair. $225.00
These have slight bit of pepper on them thus the lower price then normal proven pair.
Female is around 5" and Male around 6"
All other fish after these I measured but since these are a pair I didn't want to chance anything.
Laying the eggs.......
The fry.........
First post at this link has videos of fish spawning.
The second video is very good as it's a better visual.
http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=55354
Check out these beautiful planted tanks!
http://zhenuk.sc35.info/discus1/specials.htm
Fantasic link to fish farms...........
http://www.shirleyaquatics.co.uk/pages/tropical/tropical_fish/penang_discus_5.htm
For those that haven't made beefheart mixture for their discus this is a well written article with pictures that will help you.
http://www.bidka.org/forum/showthread.php?t=135
Good thread about hormoned Discus.
Both sides of the coin presented.........
http://forum.simplydiscus.com/showthread.php?t=41055
Check out the winners at the Tetra World Discus Championship!
http://www.aquarealms.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24564
Yes they do. And this tank is the worse one because of it's placement.
I might decorate for Christmas and buy some of those LED rope lights and just leave them on so it's not so dark in here.
I remember when walking into the room, after coming home from work. They were like rockets. Discus spook easy. :(
Good morning Mitch. Yep. Going to have to figure out something with my lighting to try to eliminate shadows.
scrape, but keep a good eye on it. dont want to see any fungus start up, since the body slim has been, scaped off also.
Sick fish or did he scrape against something? Hoping he scraped as that will heal.
Problem with this tank is shadows spook this tank more than the others. Going to try to figure out some way to change lighting. Not sure I can do that.
You might enjoy this post if you've ever kept fish before.......
ChenKiDiscus
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I've been keeping discus for almost 20 years now and generally I don't brag about my accomplishments, but
I will share this one. I've achieved it with steady, hard, daily work and dedication to the hobby.
I, without a doubt, am the grand champion at overfilling discus tanks and running water
onto the floor while doing water changes. I can do this while standing as close as 1 or two feet from the tank that I'm refilling.
Hardly a day goes by that I don't achieve this. Its a talent I seem to have been born with and I try and keep
it honed with daily practice. Occasionally I'll fill two tanks at the same time, one from my tap water storage system and one from my RO water storage system. That's when my talent really shines. I may enter international competition soon. I think I'm almost at the peak of my game.
I'm also pretty good at running over water storage tanks. I'll turn on the tap to fill them, run upstairs for about 10 minutes then in about 3 hours, or usually the next morning, a 4 inch wall of water fills my shoes as I open the basement door. Its a sensation that is quite thrilling, especially in the winter. I don't have a pair of dry shoes in my house except my few pair of dress shoes I wear to work.
The only downside is that my fishroom is in a basement with a concrete floor and pretty good drainage. I think I could do better work if I were in an apartment building, maybe 3rd floor or higher.
If you think you're better than me, I'll take on all challengers. Got a Grandparent with dementia or maybe Alzheimer's disease. Bring them over and we'll turn on the pumps, put the hoses in the tanks and see who wins, but realistically, they don't have a chance.
Typical hobbyist story. Thank God this one isn't mine. LOL!
Saddle Valves -- Be carefull!
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Learn from my experience and save yourself a good soaking...
Was in my basement today working on fishroom plumbing and was scoping out a good location to mount a saddle vavle for my not yet delivered RO unit when lo and behold I spot 2 saddle valves already clamped to pipes. I turned each one on and off and got a flow of water and was happy that I wouldn't have to install a new one (haven't done it before).
I grab a wrench to remove the compression fitting from one of them to install my line and give it a gentle turn PLINK SNAP! The valve was rotten and sheared right off the pipe, resulting in a nice spray of water all over me and the better part of my furnace room... After some frantic tracing of pipes to find the nearest shutoff I realized there wasn't one on this particular branch of pipe and had to find the main shutoff - convieniently located in the back of a storage closet I had just packed full of boxes... Got the water shut off to the house and went off the the hardware store in search of a new saddle valve in hopes that replacing the valve would stop the leak and prevent an expensive call to the plumber...
I returned home, valve in hand and get it installed. Happily it stopped the leak and I ran the lines down to my storage tanks to give them a trial run before installing the RO. Things went pretty well and the tanks slowly filled. I fired up the pumps and ran it through a recirculate cycle to pressure test the plumbing and all went well. Just as I was wrapping things up for the night I went back down to make a final check and felt a drop of water hit my head as I walked under the saddle valve. Sure enough there was a very minor drip from the compression fitting...
No problem I think to myself and I grab the ladder and a wrench!! Well, either this brand new valve was really weak or I'm Superman becuase a gentle 1/2 turn of the fitting was enough to PLINK SNAP GUSH - I'm all wet again... Did I mention that it's now 8:50pm and Home Depot closes at 9? Oh and better still my wife had just gone upstiars to run a bath? I shut off the main water valve yet again, run up the stairs soaked to the bone and yell something unintelligible to the wife as I bolted out the door in hopes of making it to 'Depot or some other hardware store before close.
Well, started driving to 'Depot and called the corner hardware store while enroute knowing there was a good chance that I wouldn't make it to Depot before they closed. Gratefully they had what I needed and agreed to wait for me before they locked the doors. I returned home with a new valve, got it installed, stopped the leak, and I will never touch that damn valve again... I installed an additional shutoff valve futher down the line to ensure that I won't have to...
Since starting this hobby, I've noticed that I spend less and less time in my LFS, and more and more time in my LHS (Local Hardware Store).
From the biggest Discus show in the world going on right now.
http://worldshows.discusnews.com/duisburg06/html/tanks.shtml
How much is Rent? I want to move in!!!!!
Very Very Nice excel. Great job!
What a place to take it EASY! ;)
Few more pictures..........
Breeding pair.........
More pictures..........
Fish pictures..........
This is my entertainment center. For me personally I couldn't see having a fish room if all you are going to do is come in it long enough to clean, feed, etc.
My TV has DVD and VHS in it which eliminated some weight and more items taking up space and cords. In the future my Wife wants to buy a big flat screen for above the 29 tank to make it into a theater type of room.
There is enough room under the tanks to slide out cube chairs which she is buying this weekend to add to the existing chairs.
My fish do like to rock out with a Kenwood stereo and Bose speakers.
Only the best for them!
What would a fish room be without a fridge and microwave? Yep, had to have that also.
What was really cool about this is my Wife is behind me 110% in spending the money for this room. She enjoys coming out here more and more.
My two kids are starting to come out here more also.
So my end goals are being met.
My Family Fish Room!
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A lot of time went into the planning of this room. My goal was it to be much more than a fish room. It needed to be a gathering place for family and friends.
What I see in the hobby time after time is burn out. So many posts on forums of people selling everything getting out. I realize it is not burn out every time but my guess is the majority of people leaving the hobby is exactly that.
Due to my type of work I do I'm very tired when I get home like a lot of you. One huge factor became figuring out the amount of tanks to take care of but still be able to go after a few goals I have for breeding without going over the time I need to still have fun with my fish not to become a chore due to to many tanks. Lot of thought went into that factor.
I currently have three 55's and one 29 set up with an option to remove the tall shelf if I want to add another 55 or 29 as I have other space I can use for those items on the shelf.
You will see everything is set up for no ladders or bending over.
Tank level is right where no strain takes place on my back cleaning, wc's, or any other activity that needs to be done.
Hard to believe I know but it's done enough to show it starting next post. LOL!
That is strange. Here in the Northwest we get fish that follow the warm currents or just another degree and they come up here. Not a nice fish that lion.
Lionfish threaten Long Island waters
GARDEN CITY, N.Y., Sept. 8 (UPI) -- Scientists are investigating how a flamboyant tropical fish native to the Pacific Ocean is surviving in the chilly waters off New York's Long Island.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060908-094557-4903r
Looking forward to them! Hope your feeling better.
LOL! Me too! Been sick and have been slammed with work but hope to finish next week.
Got a new camera so pictures be more easy.
Still waiting!
I want to see that Discus Room! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ :)
Amazing fish farm in Nam.........
http://discusasahobby.com/forum/index.php?topic=1368.0
Use of Potassium Permanganate to Control External Infections of Ornamental Fish 1
Ruth Francis-Floyd and RuthEllen Klinger2
Introduction
Many disease problems of ornamental fish begin as external infections. If uncontrolled, the infections may become systemic, resulting in death of the fish. Correct use of potassium permanganate can effectively control many bacterial, parasitic and fungal agents before systemic infections become established, often eliminating the need for antibiotic therapy. The fish owner saves money because use of expensive antibiotics is decreased, thereby decreasing the incidence of resistant bacterial strains. In the ornamental trade, correct use of potassium permanganate at the onset of an infection can also speed the movement of fish as they do not need to be held for lengthy (often 10-14 day) antibiotic treatments.
What is Potassium Permanganate?
Potassium permanganate (KMnO4) is an oxidizing agent that has been used for many years in aquaculture. It is also used in water conditioning systems and in the plumbing industry. As an oxidizer, it is able to chemically "burn up" organic material. This includes undesirable organic matter such as bacteria, parasites, and fungus, as well as desirable material such as gill tissue and mucus. Because the chemical cannot distinguish between desirable and undesirable organic matter, it is up to the individual to use the chemical in a manner that results in maximum benefit and minimum harm to treated fish.
Color Change Associated with Potassium Permanganate Use
When potassium permanganate is active (in its unoxidized form), treated water turns a pinkish-purple color. As the chemical is "deactivated" (by oxidizing organic material), the water color changes to yellow or muddy brown. This color change is an important tool when monitoring chemical treatment (discussed below); however, this may make potassium permanganate undesirable for use in display tanks, exhibits, or ornamental ponds. As with many chemicals used in water, potassium permanganate is harmful to plants and invertebrates.
Use of Potassium Permanganate
For most fish, potassium permanganate can be administered at a concentration of 2 mg/L as a long-term bath (four-hour minimum) in fresh water or salt water systems. Potassium permanganate is also reasonably safe to use in recirculating systems and has minimal impact on biofilters when used at 2 mg/L. Treated water should retain the purple coloration for at least four hours.
There is extensive information on the use of potassium permangante in freshwater systems, but much less is known about its effect in marine systems. Fish culturists should run a small bioassay before treating marine fish.
Some fish, including certain Lake Malawi cichlids, are sensitive to potassium permanganate and lower concentrations (1 mg/L) may be safer. A small experiment run by the authors on a cichlid production facility in southeast Florida demonstrated that 2 mg/L KMnO4 for four hours was safe for common cichlids. The fish owner can determine species sensitivity by observing the behavior of the fish during treatment. This is especially important when treating a species for the first time. If fish react adversely, immediate action (such as diluting the chemical with fresh water) should be taken.
Because potassium permanganate is deactivated by organic matter, it may be necessary to increase the amount added to ponds or other systems where organic material has been allowed to accumulate. A safe way of accomplishing this is to add potassium permanganate to the system in 2 mg/L increments. If water color changes from purple to brown in less than four hours from the start of the first treatment, an additional 2 mg/L should be added. If a total application of 6 mg/L potassium permanganate does not result in maintenance of the purple color for at least four hours, the system should be cleaned. Most of the organisms that are treated with potassium permanganate thrive in an organically rich environment; therefore, improved sanitation can have a tremendous impact on treatment efficacy.
Potassium permanganate can also be used as a short-term bath at concentrations of 10 mg/L for 30 minutes. At this concentration, careful observation of fish is mandatory to avoid mortality. This is a convenient treatment when fish are being removed from ponds and brought into buildings for sorting and shipping. Following a potassium permanganate treatment with a low concentration (2-10 ppt) of salt (sodium chloride) as a semipermanent treatment for several days or weeks (depending on species treated), can be beneficial. This combination is particularly effective in minimizing Columnaris infections (see UF/IFAS Fact Sheet FA-11, Columnaris Disease) after handling fish.
Potassium permanganate can be used as a surface disinfectant at concentrations of 10 mg/L (30-60 minutes contact time) to 500 mg/L (30 seconds contact time) in a fish room or hatchery, however, quaternary ammonium compounds are better suited to this purpose. Potassium permanganate will kill bacterial, fungal and many parasitic agents, but it is not viricidal.
Frequency of Treatment
As mentioned above, potassium permanganate is an indiscriminate oxidizer, and as such, can burn gill tissue and mucus of treated fish if too much chemical is applied. A good rule of thumb to prevent excessive damage to fish is to avoid treating them with potassium permanganate more than once a week. If a chemical treatment is needed for a condition that requires more frequent application, such as treatment for an outbreak of "Ich" (Ichthyophthirius multifiliis, see UF/IFAS Extension Circular 920), potassium permanganate is not a good choice.
Treatment Failure
Poor efficacy following use of potassium permanganate is usually caused by one of three factors: (1) incorrect or incomplete diagnosis; (2) incorrect calculation or measurement of amount of chemical needed; and (3) excessive organic material in the system resulting in rapid degradation of the chemical. Any time treatment failure occurs, sick fish should be submitted to a diagnostic laboratory for an accurate diagnosis. Volume of the water treated, accuracy of calculations to determine treatment rate, and accurate measurement (by weight) of chemical used are essential for delivery of an appropriate chemical dose. As mentioned above, an excessive amount of organic matter in the system will result in rapid deactivation of potassium permanganate, and therefore contact time with active chemical will be inadequate for effective treatment. This is often a problem in heavily stocked ponds.
Determining the Amount of Potassium Permanganate to Use
To calculate the amount of chemical required, a simple formula can be used:
Amount of Chemical = Volume × Conversion Factor × Treatment RateIf the pond or tank volume is measured in gallons, the conversion factor is 0.0038 and the answer will be given in grams (see Table 1 for other conversion factors).
For a treatment rate of 2 mg/L, this formula would be:
Grams of Chemical = Gallons Treated × 0.0038 × 2 mg/LTherefore, to treat a 250-gallon vat, the grams of potassium permanganate needed are:
Grams needed = (250 gal) × (0.0038) × (2 mg/L) = 1.9 gramsAn inexpensive gram scale can be obtained by purchasing a dietary scale at your local grocery store or pharmacy. One level teaspoon of potassium permanganate weighs about 7.0 grams.
Table 1. Common Conversion Factors for Use in Calculation of Amount of Chemical to Use in a Unit Volume of Water for a Concentration of 1 ppm (1 mg/L).
Units
Conversion Factor
grams/gallon
0.0038
pounds/acre-foot
2.72
grams/cubic foot
0.0283
pounds/cubic foot
0.000062
Use of a Stock Solution
An alternative method of measuring potassium permanganate is to mix a stock solution. A stock solution is a concentrated solution of chemical from which small amounts can be taken to treat tanks as needed. This is useful when either multiple tanks or multiple treatments are needed. An easy way to make up a stock solution for potassium permanganate is to purchase a one-gallon bottle of distilled water, weigh 285 grams of potassium permanganate, add it to the solution, and mix thoroughly. This stock solution will deliver a dose of 1 mg/L when delivered at a rate of one drop per gallon. Therefore, to achieve the desired concentration of 2 mg/L, the stock solution can be delivered at a rate of two drops per gallon. The stock solution should be stored in a cool, dark area and be replaced annually.
When treating larger systems, it is useful to remember that 20 drops are equal to 1 milliliter (ml), or one cubic centimeter (cc) if measuring the liquid with a syringe. Therefore, 1 ml of stock solution will treat ten gallons of water with a concentration of 2 mg/L.
Safety Precautions When Handling Potassium Permanganate
Potassium permanganate is fairly safe to handle, however, all chemicals should be treated with respect. Potassium permanganate will easily stain clothing and skin. Brown discoloration of skin is not painful, but it may be unsightly and takes several days to disappear. Brown stains to clothing can be permanent. Protective eye wear, gloves and clothing are recommended when handling potassium permanganate.
Fish farmers and aquarists do occasionally mix chemicals. It is important that formalin and potassium permanganate are NEVER mixed as the combination can be explosive.
Summary
Potassium permanganate is an oxidizer which can be used to "disinfect" the external surfaces of fish. It effectively removes most external parasites, as well as fungal and bacterial agents. Most fish can be treated by prolonged immersion in a 2 mg/L potassium permanganate solution (water must retain a purple color for at least four hours), although some species may be sensitive to it and may not tolerate a full strength (2 mg/L) bath. Because of its harsh oxidizing properties, potassium permanganate should not be applied to fish more frequently than once per week or mortality may result. It is safe to use in marine and recirculating systems at 2 mg/L. Potassium permanganate can stain skin and clothing so care is suggested when handling it. The chemical should NEVER be mixed directly with formalin as an explosion or fire could result.
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Footnotes
1. This document is FA37, one of a series of the Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences Department, Florida Cooperative Extension Service, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences, University of Florida. Original publication date June, 1997. Reviewed July, 2002. Visit the EDIS Web Site at http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu.
2. Ruth Francis-Floyd, Professor, and RuthEllen Klinger, former Biological Scientist, Department of Large Animal Clinical Sciences (College of Veterinary Medicine) and Department of Fisheries and Aquatic Sciences, Florida Cooperative Extension Service, Institute of Food and Agricultural Sciences, University of Florida, Gainesville, 32611.
Hey Mitch! Getting close to being done. Got fridge installed.
Shelf. Three tanks moved, with one to go and one emergency tank.
Have some curtains to put up. Okay, the Wife be doing that.
I could hang some black visqueen up. LOL!
Daughters at camp with my camera.
So another two weeks and I should have pictures.
So, do we have a finished product yet, with Pictures. ;)
Installed first water storage can and had it filled.
Decided to stick with my old ones for now and do my original idea of filling three of them without moving the hose down the road.
Heavy duty Brute cans sit on R-14 insulation on wood on top of blocks.
Put all the blocks in room today.
Twenty seven of those heavy cement blocks.
They seem more heavy in this heat. LOL!
Got the wood tops cut and sanded for tank bottoms.
Will stain them Saturday. Was hoping to get the fridge in today but the heat got the best of me after it reached 97 it was just a tad to much. LOL!
The #1 thing I got done today?
My Kenwood Stereo installed! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
The accoustics are fantastic in this room.
Now I can listen to it cranked all I want and really enjoy music again. Looking forward to it.
Lot of work but this is starting to come together.
Here it is Thursday and just got the cove base installed today. Five coats of paint on our foax walls. Finished another coat on the floor last night.
Just got my computer, vcr, tv, installed in the room.
Friday going to go buy different water storage containers and the rest of my plumbing materials.
Goal is to get stand blocks in here Friday with wood tops painted and insulation cut out for tank and storage barrels.
Move fridge in here. Get all my fish food organized.
If enough time set up shelf with meds and supplies.
Saturday if plumbing goes well start moving some of the fish.
Update. All electrical done. Two 20 amp circuits and one 15 amp going to room.
Finished drywall patches Wednesday and textured Thursday.
Was painting primer and base coat for foax finish till 10:00 Friday night. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
Saturday got the stand blocks 1st coat of paint on.
My Wife started the foax on the walls. She got on two coats today. Going to go back to first color tomorrow for a very cool look and then the final color Sunday night.
Monday I hope to clean the floor and if it drys get primer coat on it.
Lot of work but it's going to be very nice when it's done.
Was informed by the electrician that copper wire has gone though the roof! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!
He said I could get it just as cheap at HD then at his supply house. I find that in a lot of trades. Go figure.
Started digging the trench from electrical box to fish room. Going through a PACKED down gravel driveway. GRRRRRRRRR!!!
My vacum needs a new hose also now. LOL!
Was going to get all the dirt/dust out of the concrete before painting it. Oh man the $$$ just keep going.
Got cable coming Friday for my computer and TV hook up out there.
Electrician coming Saturday to run new wire from Panel and probably put sub panel in room plus more outlets.
The KING of the Aquarium........
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Simply Discus Recources........
http://www.simplydiscus.com/library/links.shtml
Water education links...........
http://faq.thekrib.com/begin-chem.html
http://www.simplydiscus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34884&highlight=drop
Medications and treatments.........
http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/products.html
Disease pictures........
http://203.116.88.76/content/phase1/Customer_Svc/disease/fishDoctor_Other.html
Water Storage Barrels
http://www.tank-depot.com/
http://www.plastic-mart.com/
http://www.norwesco.com/Index.cfm?Section=LST
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/category.asp?catalog%5Fname=USPlastic&category%5Fname=25&Pa....
Supplies........
http://www.bigalsonline.com/
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/Shop.cfm?N=2004
http://www.jehmco.com/index.html
http://www.thatpetplace.com/MainPro/IndexFish.aspx
http://www.4fishstuff.com/
http://www.marinedepot.com/homepage.asp
http://www.kensfish.com/
http://www.pythonproducts.com/
http://www.aquaticeco.com/
Breeding Cones
http://www.rosenthalpottery.com/
Tank Racks
http://www.gorillarack.com/
http://www.buyrack.com/fastrak_6footH.asp
Tank Size Calculators............
http://www.garf.org/calculators/TankVolumeCalculator.asp
http://www.fishaholics.org/phpBB2/tank_calc.php?sid=78cfeba4af8a71ea187a5ecb9835f9d4
This one includes measurement for dosing meds. Very cool!
http://home.earthlink.net/~grenier2/convert.htm
Pump distance, etc...............
http://www.reefcentral.com/calc/hlc2.php
Food sources.........
http://www.livefoodcultures.com/
http://brineshrimpdirect.com/index.html
http://www.kensfish.com/index.html
http://www.inve.com/fish/index.asp?id=152
http://kazarie.com/index.html
http://www.aquatichouse.com/Fish%20Food_files/Omega%20Flake.asp
http://www.marinedepot.com/aquarium_fish_food_ocean_nutrition_dry_subindex.asp?ast=&key=
http://www.mreed.com/index.shtml
http://www.sfbb.com/home.asp
http://aquaticfoods.com/
Beef Heart Recipes
http://article.dphnet.com/cat-01/beefheart1.shtml
http://www.discushatchery.com/food.html
http://www.rockymountaindiscus.com/Discus_fish_food_recipe.htm
Shipping your fish......
http://www.atchison.com/ArticlesandStories/Shippingfish.html
http://www.uniquaria.com/articles/shipping.html
Make your own sponge filter.........
http://www.simplydiscus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40648
Plant info in general........
http://www.aquatic-gardeners.org/
http://www.thekrib.com/
http://www.vectrapoint.com/main/infocentral.html
http://www.plantella.com/
Plant Suppliers...........
http://www.floridadriftwood.com/driftwood.html
http://www.azgardens.com/
http://aquariumplant.com/cgi-bin/cart/index.html
http://192.38.244.204/go.asp?show=products
http://www.trueaquariumplants.com/
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