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So by those calculations plus settlement costs it looks to be 25 or 30 cents. I dont expect more than 10 cents but I have a gut feeling it could be far more.imho
I dont look at it from a payout standpoint I look at it from a settlement standpoint. There are 8 cases and if they get 15 million each that will be on the higher end of payouts for these cases from a statistic standpoint. Now there are also other variables such as who is responsible. Hma is one of 3 parties responsible so our share will be taken into consideration. We may be responsible for 10 or 12 million of each payout. So payout looks to be 120 million on the very high end and what does that leave for us?
I guess now we watch for filings. Going to see alot of filings happening next couple of weeks and loads of them. I am curious to see how many are filed under seal. Either way its going to get pretty hectic around here soon. Yaaay. Camera, lights, Action.lol
Bought a decent chunk here this week, seems like resolution is nearing, and also seems like bullish sentiment, so I wonder if someone has a hint of what's coming . . .
Tell you what though, that chart on the 1 year has some crazy cup and handle forming. It appears the market is speaking and expecting something good to happen. Imho
Definately could be a zero I agree. I however do believe you on the 10 to 20 cents but there is as much a possibility in my mind of 40 or 50 cents as there is zero. Maybe thats why im still here.lol
What a crapshoot. If this went to 10 cents pre payout I would definately reevaluate my holdings. Thanks mr. Holty for your honest opinion. Cheers and gl
I don't expect anything over $.20. I however have felt that this easily could be a zero.
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I know one guy who owns shares in this who works for a HF. Asked if his HF owned it. Nope and he didn't want to have career risk by offering it up as an idea as there is no edge for most people.
All shares sold are being accumulated by much stronger hands. When they are good and ready they will move this pig up 200 or 300% in a single day just like old times.lol
Its like when you see people dumping shares at this point in the game it shameful. After such a long time and we are literally at the end to see that I just want to say what a loser and shortsighted person. You will regret dumping your shares very soon.imho
Who sold to the black box? Lol
What a shortsighted individual imho
I was just thinking today. You know I feel like 30 cents is actually a reasonable number to shoot for. I mean, 50 cents is possible and I still hope there is half left for us bottom feeders but 30 cents is a more realistic number and 1000% gain is something I wouldnt complain about. Anyone else have any thoughts on what they think payout may come in at and why they believe that? Just wondering.
My guess is everyone wants a piece of the payout so everyone is accumulating in all their offshore accounts. They keep extending the deadline so all their relatives can load their boats too before they announce the payout. Thats just my thoughts on the matter just a case of good old human greed.lol
Agreed. This is the first time in our history the judge only granted 60 days and not the usual 90 days. Like the joint management report says they expect all documents to be filed by the end of september. Thats only 3 weeks so I fully expect to see some speculators getting in here shortly. Chart looks primed for a bump and stochs and rsi and all the technical indicators here are all giving buy signals so whomp whomp.lol
couple additional filings today.
two of the filings appear to be a couple of relevant parties saying WRAP THIS SHIT UP (they are OK with the request for an extension filed yesterday but no more after that)
the other is the judge approving the extension request. must report back by november 16th. womp womp
I am sooooo looking forward to a conclusion no matter what happens here. Its been one long arduous journey here and I will be happy to get off this plane ride. Looking out by september end if there is a 20 or 30 cent payout even if its filed under seal I fully expect a leak and a jump to a more appropriate sp at which time I will tender what we have in holdings. I do expect to see more filings under seal this month but a steady move up over the next few weeks maybe 4 or 5 cents even. I dont feel in my mind we will have anything less than 10 cents in hand by the time this is over so I will be holding on untill the end.
I can't add anything beyond what was already written. My guess is that the general framework was completely done before the 2 went alone (or trying to get a bigger cut).
Wait. wait. wait.
I bet we get one more extension into the new year.
well it sounds like a big piece of it will be resolved in the coming weeks but then the next piece of it will take another couple of months.
But i guess perhaps if the resolution on the first piece comes before the end of September, we'd get an update on that / potential revaluation in the 10Q?
holty - curious to get your thoughts too.
If they expect to have all documents filed and signed by the end of the month then thats only 15 tradding days left. Hard to imagine after 7 years I will know my fate in short order.lol
Surreal A little bit. How does everyone else feel? Excited?
I reeally hope there is half left for us. 50 cent payout would be nice.?
Thanks Sylvester. Nice to hear they expect to conclude by months end. I expect speculators to start getting in soon as 3 weeks isnt exactly a long time to get in it may start to jump up here pretty soon. Hold tight imho and thanks again sylvester.
Since the last status report, the states of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky,
Mississippi, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee,
Texas, Washington, and West Virginia have filed stipulations of dismissal as to claims against
Defendant Emergency Medical Services Corporation a/k/a EmCare. The United States and
counsel for two remaining individual defendants have begun discussions regarding a possible
resolution of liability. The parties continue to expect conclusion of a global resolution
addressing the remaining claims of the United States and the states against HMA in the
underlying cases.
pasted that out of order - this is the 2nd paragraph in between my 1st and 2nd posts
In light of the ongoing global settlement progress, the parties request a further stay of the
litigation. The parties believe that an extension from September 18, 2018, up to and until
November 30, 2018, with the parties reporting back to the Court on or before November 16,
2018, is appropriate. This MDL involves a complex and diverse set of health care fraud claims,
and presents numerous factual, legal, and logistical challenges. Accordingly, the parties believe
that an additional stay is necessary to conclude a global resolution of the United States’ and the
states’ claims against HMA and address the remaining issues.
The United
States, Defendant Health Management Associates, Inc. (HMA), and the Department of Health
and Human Services Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG) anticipate the execution and filing
this month of documents memorializing a global resolution of HMA’s criminal, civil and
administrative liability. The respective States also continue to work towards finalizing
agreements with HMA, but expect that process will take additional time. The parties therefore
request that this case be stayed for an additional period.
There was an updated joint management repotr today as expexted. I was on pacer and have an account but for some reason wont let me open the file and it isnt under seal like the last 2 filings. Very strange imho
Oh crap its a runaway train. All I wanted was a few hundred thousand more. Soon as you want in the mms jack it up.lol
Large upwards move coming in the next few weeks guys. This is a time to buy not sell. Fifty cent payout is very possible imho
Remember though technical indicators all point to buy signals on all fronts. Good chance that cup and handle formation helps us right on through .03 and beyond.
If we break .03 it will double to .06 in a hurry. Open gaps up there and zero resistance.imho next few weeks will tell.
O.S. is around 265. It is heavy around .03 as thats key resistance area.
What's the OS here? Seems a little heavy around .03.
That was bullish flag and pennant. Would be nice to have a good morning drop to the low 2s to get a few mill more. I hope we get there before we make any larger upwards move. How is everyone else doing? Mr. Holty? Uncle Fungus? Peanut gallery?
Anyone?.....
It wants higher. Just a matter of patience. I just have a gut feeling we are on the cusp of some good news. Bullis flag and pennant on the 2 and 3 year chart tells me the market is expecting something good. We wait.
I'm invested in another coin flip stock. Difference was the stock went non-tradeable 2 years ago as a lawsuit had to be played out as part of a Chapter 11 BK and some other weird stuff.
The other legal matters are 99% complete and have been done for about 7 weeks at this point. I cannot figure out the delays but legal fees are eating up my returns.
At this point I hope that this is done in before Thanksgiving.
Lets see if volume was an anomaly or a trend. Only time will tell. If volume breaks up and slows down a reversal may take us down to the 2 cent area again but most of the technical indicators I use are giving buy signals. Anything is possible here. They could announce a zero payout or a full payout. Hurry up and wait.lol
Good volume and positive price action today.
Things to watch for next couple of days to confirm new breakout pattern. Watch for increasing volume on small percentage gains daily. Larger intraday spikes throughout the days. This is preemptive to a larger more sustained move up.cheers
Stochs and ma's long and short all giving buy signals. Uptrend looking to continue. If we can break th4ough .03 next few days .05 will come quick.imho
Lol. I believe our payout should be fitty cents im just talking about a nearterm jump. Nice base forming for next leg up. Rome wasnt built in a day.lol
5 cents? cmon john, be a believer. we were rooting for 50 cents not long ago.
It feels like someone who knows how to hack knows what was filed under seal. Looking for 5 cent area. Stretch
I smell a payout coming. Just a gut feeling
I'm here. Nothing to add. Everything is sealed.
sucks but nothing I can do.
1 thing is for sure. The 3 year chart has a flag and pennant formation. Looks to be ready for next breakout. Like to get a few million more this week. Watch for increasing volume and steady rise.
Anybody else here find it odd they never update pacer on weekdays for this case? Seems to always be on a weekend they file. Could it be because of high profile litigation and they dont want traders speculating while markets are open? Gives people time to digest it while on a weekend I guess.
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