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Checking Yahoo.
He linked to it so he must have been there.
Found one nut there already
http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=9195136&tid=rabbijimmie&sid=9195136&mid...
Search other BB sites. I think he's on more than one board.
That person, "Jafari" has not posted since 10:14 AM EDT on Monday Sept. 10th Matt. I have been on his alias page and he made 125 posts since Oct. 22, 1999 most of which were made to the "$COMPX" thread.
Frank (
http://www.katu.com/images/flagprint.jpg
Looks like you guys are on the same trail as I am...
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=186310
The last two posts that person made on Sept. 10th are a pretty strong indication of knowledge about what then happened one day later.
Frank (
http://www.katu.com/images/flagprint.jpg
Excel,
But I'm thinking why not just come out and say that? Wouldn't that be better then expecting everyone to trust us?
Yes, if we can present our evidence without jeopardizing national security, then I believe we should. The arrests happening in London, Paris and other countries indicate we probably did share that information with our closest allies.
So I'm thinking why not try to do everything we can to keep the hate factor down as much as possible so less kids grow up hating America? I believe you and I are on the same page. Just wish we had more information.
Yes, we are pretty much on the same page. Somehow we must balance compasion and caring for others in the world with our own self preservation against those who would destory us.
Sara : )
Gary. I disagree. Everyone I have shown this to have gone to these posts below. I had to re-do the picture of bottom post. But it is suppose to be a picture of a plane going into a building I'd assume. Please see post in order to get better picture. From what I understand the FBI has this information.
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By: Jafari <http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/memalias.cgi?member=Jafari> $$$ </community/definitions.html> Reply To: None </community/definitions.html> Monday, 10 Sep 2001 at 10:10 AM EDT Post # of 60292 Bottom of Form 1
Die, die, die ,die, die....
(Voluntary Disclosure: Position- No Position; ST Rating- Strong Sell; LT Rating- Strong Sell)
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By: Jafari <http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/memalias.cgi?member=Jafari> $$$ </community/definitions.html> Reply To: None </community/definitions.html> Monday, 10 Sep 2001 at 10:14 AM EDT Post # of 60292 Bottom of Form 1
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God Bless America!
Excel
No they go there ... In the first he predicts 1992 level ... Now I do not know if he means that as the year or actual figure of the Naz. However there was a lot of time ladpse after posting the NAZ at 3000 by end of September.
Hey could be nothing.
P2bAAAT
Proud To Be An American Against Terrorism & Its Propaganda!
:=) Gary Swancey
Gary. Hit those links again. I think your computer messed up and gave you wrong page. Totally different from what I get.
God Bless America!
Excel
Excel you did not go back far enough ... September 5, 2001 http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=$COMPX&read=58196
Seems he knew the market was going to crash to 1992 level by the 27 of this month.
But futher in Jun he predicted 3000 on the NAZ by the end of September
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=$COMPX&read=54123
Seems like a total change of heart. 3000 to a 1992 level is quite a change in prediction.
P2bAAAT
Proud To Be An American Against Terrorism & Its Propaganda!
:=) Gary Swancey
Excel; I see it has been reported already. I'm sure there is thousands of similar things they have to look at, but you never know which one will be the one to 'crack the case'. Good eye. ~ shao
Excel; Do you know if these posts have been reported? ~shao
Check this out.............
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=$COMPX&read=58499
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=$COMPX&read=58500
Look at the picture; it looks like a plane hitting one of the towers.
God Bless America!
Excel
Saturday Sept. 22, 2001; 10:32 a.m. EDT
Schundler: Clinton Military Cutbacks Left Twin Towers Defenseless
Before devastating military cutbacks were implemented under the Clinton administration, New York City had air defenses that could have prevented the second of two attacks on the World Trade Center last week, New Jersey Republican gubenatorial candidate Bret Schundler charged Saturday.
"Up until a few years ago we had an F-16 fighter wing here in New Jersey that would be capable of intercepting one of those planes that crashed into the World Trade Center," he told WABC Radio's John Gambling.
"They decreased the number of wings that were available to do that. So the result was that the closest fighter wing that had the capability to intercept one of those planes was in Massachusetts."
Two F-16's had scrambled out of Otis Air Force Base on Cape Cod after World Trade Center Tower 1 was hit, but they didn't arrive in New York airspace until 15 minutes after United Airlines Flight 175 slammed into WTC Tower 2.
"They couldn't get here in time," Schundler said. "And that's why the second plane flew into the World Trade Center."
The unexpected collapse of Tower 2, the first to do down, was likely responsible for the majority of deaths at the scene -- catching hundreds of police and fireman, as well as thousands of office workers who had been told to stay put and wait for evacuation orders, completely unawares.
Schundler pinned the blame for eliminating the air defenses that could have saved Tower 2 squarely on the Clinton administration.
"The federal government in the last eight years cut down the resources," he told WABC. "That's just a statement of fact."
Schundler was responding to a report in Saturday's New York Times, which he said distorted his earlier comments to make it appear as if he was blaming his own state for the military cutbacks
God Bless America!
Excel
The Taliban:
http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/bwphoto.html
A fabulous link. It takes awhile to load, but the little movie is well worth it.
http://www.thebestofnevada.net/tragedy.html
Joe. Many sells are from Mutual Fund managers I bet. So you can't blame all of them. Then you have people who are sheep and follow people out the door. Then you have others who short. You didn't think people would take advantage of this by shorting everything? Then you got margin calls and it tumbles further. You have a terrible combination of earnings reports and layoffs.
Joe we were going down anyway. Did the tradegy speed it up? You bet. Did some take advantage of it? You bet. I would think though after your posts on Q and A board you might have toned down your posts. Maybe you just like attention? Towell heads? Hmmmmmm.
God Bless America!
Excel
Did You Know???
The terrorists caused only 20 billion in damages when they destroyed the trade centers. But in the past week, American citizens caused over 1.5 trillion in loss by selling off the stock market. That just proves that people won't put their money where their mouth is. You can talk patriotism to me all you want, but then you go sell your stock and make yourself look like a fool. Why are these people who are selling the market off such cowards? Are they towel heads too?
Signed,
Joemoney =D
Ezcomngo2. Great! Must have missed it. But I'm still wondering if there isn't something they can give? Maybe not.
Let me explain my concern a little bit more. Remember those pictures of the people dancing in the streets? Remember those kids? I greive that they are our next generation of terrorist if we don't change the perception of the US? Thoughts?
God Bless America!
Excel
They have "already said it" !
Reported on several of the news stations
this morning. Security seems to be paramount
in NOT revealing their sources for risk of them?
(whoever them is) of disappearing or shutting off
information flow ------- and, no doubt putting themselves
in real jeopardy.
Sara you said..........
If I had to guess, I would suspect that they don't want to risk exposing intelligence sources by disclosing the evidence.
I think your guess is probably right. But I'm thinking why not just come out and say that? Wouldn't that be better then expecting everyone to trust us?
My concern is the hate others have for this country. I believe it goes beyond our way of life with freedoms. I think we are viewed as being the bully in past situations in history which breeds hate. So I'm thinking why not try to do everything we can to keep the hate factor down as much as possible so less kids grow up hating America? I believe you and I are on the same page. Just wish we had more information.
God Bless America!
Excel
I've had that same thought myself. Thinking back to the Cuban missile crisis, it was important that we showed that the missiles were in fact in Cuban. If I had to guess, I would suspect that they don't want to risk exposing intelligence sources by disclosing the evidence.
Another example is when the Korean airliner was shot down. When the cock pit conversations were presented to congress as evidence, many were surprised that we had that capability. In doing that, we revealed our capability to everyone.
Sara
Can some one tell me what I'm missing? Why can't the US turn over evidence to taliban that bin is involved? They don't need to give them everything but just enough to prove it. That way I believe countries would become involved even more.
God Bless America!
Excel
Nice work Gary. EOM
Powell battles Pentagon over terrorism strategy
September 20, 2001 Posted: 10:30 PM EDT (0230 GMT)
By Andrea Koppel
CNN State Department Correspondent
and Elise Labott
State Department Producer
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Bush administration is engaged in an internal tug-of-war about the scope and breadth of its campaign against international terrorism, first and foremost a self-declared war against Osama bin Laden, his terrorist network and the Taliban, senior State Department officials tell CNN.
Secretary of State Colin Powell is pushing for a limited military component in this self-declared war against terrorism and instead wants to place more emphasis on less traditional "tools" in the United States arsenal -- financial, political, diplomatic and legal, according to several senior State Department officials familiar with the department's planning.
That is why, officials point out, the Treasury Department is in the midst of setting up task forces to deal with the financial aspect of this campaign.
One official said the military is a "blunt instrument" and should be kept to a "minimum" in order to maintain the idea that "this is not a war against Islam."
"If collateral damage is extensive it could wind up in a matter of weeks or months in a holy war," said this official.
In addition, this official said to use the word "war" in this campaign will be a misnomer as this will likely be a drawn-out, multi-faceted campaign lasting years.
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, his deputy Paul Wolfowitz and others, on the other hand, are pushing to broaden this campaign in the short term, to target so-called state sponsors of terrorism like Iraq, State Department officials and diplomatic sources tell CNN.
In fact, one official described the debate over Iraq as the "most contentious issue in inter-agency discussions."
If Powell's strategy prevails, one senior State Department official confided, Iraq will be dealt with like an elephant -- and the U.S. and its international coalition will "eat this elephant one bite at a time," rather than swallow it whole.
Phase one of this campaign is expected to include action against bin Laden, his al-Qaeda terrorist network and the Taliban.
In order to implement this campaign, Powell and President Bush have been courting leaders around the world to join a global partnership, an international coalition against terrorism. To accomplish their mission -- to close down terrorist cells or "nodes" linked to the bin Laden network in their own countries -- they will also cut off financial flows, arrest terrorists, shut down their offices and help to "dry up the swamp" of terrorism, in the words of one official.
The diplomatic campaign to build an international coalition is the "centerpiece" of what the administration is trying to do.
On an ominous note, State Department officials say Powell is deeply concerned about the condition of the world economy and its potential impact on sustaining momentum and public support around the world for this war on terrorism.
"When you have (thousands of) workers at National Airport unable to go to work," said one senior State Department official, "these people are going to be more concerned with how they're gonna get food on the table, rather than fighting this war."
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/ret.powell.divisions/
With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001 6:29 p.m. EDT
TV Stations Dump Bill Maher
Exclusive: At least three TV stations have dumped ultra-snide "Politically Incorrect" host Bill Maher because of his controversial remarks.
Starting tonight, the ABC stations in Des Moines and Sioux City, Iowa, and Lincoln, Neb., have dropped "Politically Incorrect" from their schedules until further notice, Ray Cole, president and CEO of Citadel Communications, which owns the three stations, told NewsMax.com this afternoon.
"We wanted to give the show an ample opportunity to explain, and in my view apologize," Cole told NewsMax. But he was disappointed in ABC's inaction and Maher's spinning and feeble attempts at apology, which initially included a statement that he's "never been good at grieving" on TV.
Sears, which along with Federal Express yanked ads from "Politically Incorrect," told Reuters news agency: "Bill and his guests have every right to voice their freedom of speech, and we applaud that. However, we have the right to air our broadcast advertising where we feel it's appropriate to reach out to our customers."
In a statement issued through a P.R. flack Wednesday, Maher said his views "should have been expressed differently."
"In no way was I intending to say, nor have I ever thought, that the men and women who defend our nation in uniform are anything but courageous and valiant, and I offer my apologies to anyone who took it wrong," the statement said.
"Too little, too late," said Cole, who was surprised that NewsMax was already reporting his decision, which had been made just this afternoon.
One of the viewers who flooded Cole's stations with complaints about Maher was NewsMax reader Neal J. Fisher, a Drake University student who told us "at least 50 people on campus" were involved in the dump-Maher movement. "There's been a much larger response from the community," he found out after contacting the station.
Cole said he didn't know of any other ABC stations pre-empting Maher yet. But there's hope. Take a stand by contacting your local ABC station and urging it to cancel "Politically Incorrect." Also, to e-mail ABC: abc.audience.relations@abc.com or netaudr@abc.com.
And we salute Ray Cole and his company and Neal J. Fisher and his fellow activists for taking their stand.
God Bless America!
Excel
Fox News Network is fantastic and it is what CNN use to be when it first got started. O'Rielly I believe speaks for most of America and he is not afraid of the nonsense the left wing throws at him.
The coverage is solid and the best I have watched in long time.
:=) Gary Swancey
Thanks for posting that. It seemed so much longer because of all the stand ovations and breaks for applause. Great speech.
Sara
For those that missed it.............
Address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People
Mr. Speaker, Mr. President pro tempore, Members of Congress, and fellow Americans:
In the normal course of events, Presidents come to this chamber to report on the state of the Union. Tonight, no such report is needed. It has already been delivered by the American people.
We have seen it in the courage of passengers, who rushed terrorists to save others on the ground -- passengers like an exceptional man named Todd Beamer. Please help me to welcome his wife, Lisa Beamer, here tonight.
We have seen the state of our Union in the endurance of rescuers, working past exhaustion. We have seen the unfurling of flags, the lighting of candles, the giving of blood, the saying of prayers -- in English, Hebrew, and Arabic. We have seen the decency of a loving and giving people, who have made the grief of strangers their own.
My fellow citizens, for the last nine days, the entire world has seen for itself the state of our Union -- and it is strong.
Tonight we are a country awakened to danger and called to defend freedom. Our grief has turned to anger, and anger to resolution. Whether we bring our enemies to justice, or bring justice to our enemies, justice will be done.
I thank the Congress for its leadership at such an important time. All of America was touched on the evening of the tragedy to see Republicans and Democrats, joined together on the steps of this Capitol, singing "God Bless America." And you did more than sing, you acted, by delivering forty billion dollars to rebuild our communities and meet the needs of our military.
Speaker Hastert and Minority Leader Gephardt -- Majority Leader Daschle and Senator Lott -- I thank you for your friendship and your leadership and your service to our country.
And on behalf of the American people, I thank the world for its outpouring of support. America will never forget the sounds of our National Anthem playing at Buckingham Palace, and on the streets of Paris, and at Berlin's Brandenburg Gate. We will not forget South Korean children gathering to pray outside our embassy in Seoul, or the prayers of sympathy offered at a mosque in Cairo. We will not forget moments of silence and days of mourning in Australia and Africa and Latin America.
Nor will we forget the citizens of eighty other nations who died with our own. Dozens of Pakistanis. More than 130 Israelis. More than 250 citizens of India. Men and women from El Salvador, Iran, Mexico, and Japan. And hundreds of British citizens. America has no truer friend than Great Britain. Once again, we are joined together in a great cause. The British Prime Minister has crossed an ocean to show his unity of purpose with America, and tonight we welcome Tony Blair.
On September the eleventh, enemies of freedom committed an act of war against our country. Americans have known wars -- but for the past 136 years, they have been wars on foreign soil, except for one Sunday in 1941. Americans have known the casualties of war -- but not at the center of a great city on a peaceful morning. Americans have known surprise attacks -- but never before on thousands of civilians. All of this was brought upon us in a single day -- and night fell on a different world, a world where freedom itself is under attack.
Americans have many questions tonight. Americans are asking: Who attacked our country?
The evidence we have gathered all points to a collection of loosely affiliated terrorist organizations known as al-Qaida. They are the same murderers indicted for bombing American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya, and responsible for the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole.
Al-Qaida is to terror what the mafia is to crime. But its goal is not making money; its goal is remaking the world -- and imposing its radical beliefs on people everywhere.
The terrorists practice a fringe form of Islamic extremism that has been rejected by Muslim scholars and the vast majority of Muslim clerics -- a fringe movement that perverts the peaceful teachings of Islam. The terrorists? directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans, and make no distinctions among military and civilians, including women and children.
This group and its leader -- a person named Usama bin Ladin -- are linked to many other organizations in different countries, including the Egyptian Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.
There are thousands of these terrorists in more than sixty countries. They are recruited from their own nations and neighborhoods, and brought to camps in places like Afghanistan where they are trained in the tactics of terror. They are sent back to their homes or sent to hide in countries around the world to plot evil and destruction.
The leadership of al-Qaida has great influence in Afghanistan, and supports the Taliban regime in controlling most of that country. In Afghanistan, we see al-Qaida's vision for the world.
Afghanistan's people have been brutalized -- many are starving and many have fled. Women are not allowed to attend school. You can be jailed for owning a television. Religion can be practiced only as their leaders dictate. A man can be jailed in Afghanistan if his beard is not long enough.
The United States respects the people of Afghanistan -- after all, we are currently its largest source of humanitarian aid -- but we condemn the Taliban regime. It is not only repressing its own people, it is threatening people everywhere by sponsoring and sheltering and supplying terrorists. By aiding and abetting murder, the Taliban regime is committing murder. And tonight, the United States of America makes the following demands on the Taliban:
Deliver to United States authorities all the leaders of al-Qaida who hide in your land.
Release all foreign nationals -- including American citizens -- you have unjustly imprisoned, and protect foreign journalists, diplomats, and aid workers in your country.
Close immediately and permanently every terrorist training camp in Afghanistan and hand over every terrorist, and every person in their support structure, to appropriate authorities.
Give the United States full access to terrorist training camps, so we can make sure they are no longer operating.
These demands are not open to negotiation or discussion. The Taliban must act and act immediately. They will hand over the terrorists, or they will share in their fate.
I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world: We respect your faith. It is practiced freely by many millions of Americans, and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends; it is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them.
Our war on terror begins with al-Qaida, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped, and defeated.
Americans are asking: Why do they hate us?
They hate what we see right here in this chamber -- a democratically elected government. Their leaders are self-appointed. They hate our freedoms -- our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other.
They want to overthrow existing governments in many Muslim countries, such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan. They want to drive Israel out of the Middle East. They want to drive Christians and Jews out of vast regions of Asia and Africa.
These terrorists kill not merely to end lives, but to disrupt and end a way of life. With every atrocity, they hope that America grows fearful, retreating from the world and forsaking our friends. They stand against us, because we stand in their way.
We are not deceived by their pretenses to piety. We have seen their kind before. They are the heirs of all the murderous ideologies of the twentieth century. By sacrificing human life to serve their radical visions -- by abandoning every value except the will to power -- they follow in the path of fascism, and Nazism, and totalitarianism. And they will follow that path all the way, to where it ends: in history's unmarked grave of discarded lies.
Americans are asking: How will we fight and win this war?
We will direct every resource at our command -- every means of diplomacy, every tool of intelligence, every instrument of law enforcement, every financial influence, and every necessary weapon of war -- to the disruption and defeat of the global terror network.
This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with its decisive liberation of territory and its swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.
Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on television, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.
Our Nation has been put on notice: We are not immune from attack. We will take defensive measures against terrorism to protect Americans.
Today, dozens of federal departments and agencies, as well as state and local governments, have responsibilities affecting homeland security. These efforts must be coordinated at the highest level. So tonight I announce the creation of a Cabinet-level position reporting directly to me -- the Office of Homeland Security.
These measures are essential. But the only way to defeat terrorism as a threat to our way of life is to stop it, eliminate it, and destroy it where it grows.
Many will be involved in this effort, from FBI agents to intelligence operatives to the reservists we have called to active duty. All deserve our thanks, and all have our prayers. And tonight, a few miles from the damaged Pentagon, I have a message for our military: Be ready. I have called the armed forces to alert, and there is a reason. The hour is coming when America will act, and you will make us proud.
This is not, however, just America's fight. And what is at stake is not just America's freedom. This is the world's fight. This is civilization's fight. This is the fight of all who believe in progress and pluralism, tolerance and freedom.
We ask every nation to join us. We will ask, and we will need, the help of police forces, intelligence services, and banking systems around the world. The United States is grateful that many nations and many international organizations have already responded -- with sympathy and with support. Nations from Latin America, to Asia, to Africa, to Europe, to the Islamic world. Perhaps the NATO Charter reflects best the attitude of the world: an attack on one is an attack on all.
The civilized world is rallying to America's side. They understand that if this terror goes unpunished, their own cities, their own citizens may be next. Terror, unanswered, can not only bring down buildings, it can threaten the stability of legitimate governments. And we will not allow it.
Americans are asking: What is expected of us?
I ask you to live your lives and hug your children. I know many citizens have fears tonight, and I ask you to be calm and resolute, even in the face of a continuing threat.
I ask you to uphold the values of America, and remember why so many have come here. We are in a fight for our principles, and our first responsibility is to live by them. No one should be singled out for unfair treatment or unkind words because of their ethnic background or religious faith.
I ask you to continue to support the victims of this tragedy with your contributions. Those who want to give can go to a central source of information, libertyunites.org, to find the names of groups providing direct help in New York, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.
The thousands of FBI agents who are now at work in this investigation may need your cooperation, and I ask you to give it.
I ask for your patience, with the delays and inconveniences that may accompany tighter security -- and for your patience in what will be a long struggle.
I ask your continued participation and confidence in the American economy. Terrorists attacked a symbol of American prosperity. They did not touch its source. America is successful because of the hard work, and creativity, and enterprise of our people. These were the true strengths of our economy before September eleventh, and they are our strengths today.
Finally, please continue praying for the victims of terror and their families, for those in uniform, and for our great country. Prayer has comforted us in sorrow, and will help strengthen us for the journey ahead.
Tonight I thank my fellow Americans for what you have already done and for what you will do. And ladies and gentlemen of the Congress, I thank you, their representatives, for what you have already done, and for what we will do together.
Tonight, we face new and sudden national challenges. We will come together to improve air safety, to dramatically expand the number of air marshals on domestic flights, and take new measures to prevent hijacking. We will come together to promote stability and keep our airlines flying with direct assistance during this emergency.
We will come together to give law enforcement the additional tools it needs to track down terror here at home. We will come together to strengthen our intelligence capabilities to know the plans of terrorists before they act, and find them before they strike.
We will come together to take active steps that strengthen America's economy, and put our people back to work.
Tonight we welcome here two leaders who embody the extraordinary spirit of all New Yorkers: Governor George Pataki, and Mayor Rudy Giuliani. As a symbol of America's resolve, my Administration will work with the Congress, and these two leaders, to show the world that we will rebuild New York City.
After all that has just passed ? all the lives taken, and all the possibilities and hopes that died with them ? it is natural to wonder if America's future is one of fear. Some speak of an age of terror. I know there are struggles ahead, and dangers to face. But this country will define our times, not be defined by them. As long as the United States of America is determined and strong, this will not be an age of terror; this will be an age of liberty, here and across the world.
Great harm has been done to us. We have suffered great loss. And in our grief and anger we have found our mission and our moment. Freedom and fear are at war. The advance of human freedom -- the great achievement of our time, and the great hope of every time -- now depends on us. Our Nation -- this generation -- will lift a dark threat of violence from our people and our future. We will rally the world to this cause, by our efforts and by our courage. We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.
It is my hope that in the months and years ahead, life will return almost to normal. We'll go back to our lives and routines, and that is good. Even grief recedes with time and grace. But our resolve must not pass. Each of us will remember what happened that day, and to whom it happened. We will remember the moment the news came -- where we were and what we were doing. Some will remember an image of fire, or a story of rescue. Some will carry memories of a face and a voice gone forever.
And I will carry this. It is the police shield of a man named George Howard, who died at the World Trade Center trying to save others. It was given to me by his mom, Arlene, as a proud memorial to her son. This is my reminder of lives that ended, and a task that does not end.
I will not forget this wound to our country, or those who inflicted it. I will not yield ? I will not rest ? I will not relent in waging this struggle for the freedom and security of the American people.
The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain. Freedom and fear, justice and cruelty, have always been at war, and we know that God is not neutral between them.
Fellow citizens, we will meet violence with patient justice -- assured of the rightness of our cause, and confident of the victories to come. In all that lies before us, may God grant us wisdom, and may He watch over the United States of America.
Thank you.
Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html
God Bless America!
Excel
FNN RULES !!!!! SH
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE
by Ben Taylor
Images are powerful. Jets piercing the New York skyline. The broken rings of the mighty Pentagon. A president fighting back tears. Family members with pictures of their loved ones taped to their chests, wandering from hospital to hospital in a desperate search.
Anyone who has glimpsed these images over the past few days cannot help but feel a stirring of pride for country. We hang flags from our homes, wear red, white and blue ribbons on our lapels and light candles to show solidarity. We call it "patriotism," and these are its images.
Yet, beneath these displays, how deep does that devotion run? To be sure, many Americans have already died while trying to save others. Meanwhile, our military personnel are preparing to risk their lives in battle.
But what about the rest of us? So far, many have done such admirable things as give blood -- a great first step. Now the question is, what does patriotism look like if, as President Bush has said, we end up in a protracted battle?
Many of us -- myself included -- were not around the last time the lives of average Americans were truly upended. During World War II, not only were things like gasoline rationed, but families and careers were put on hold or permanently altered. We can't yet say things will get that serious, but we should ask ourselves: If necessary, are we still willing to give up basic necessities, or even our careers, to win a war?
Yes, patriotism is devotion to one's country, but a country is only as good as its citizens. If we have any hope of making a difference in this looming struggle, we must make sure the images of patriotism are backed up with substance.
(Ben Taylor is the editor of the Citizens Issues Alert faxletter and the CitizenLink e-mail newsletter)
God Bless America!
Excel
Extremists & The Left's Hatred of Manhood Will One Day Be There Waterloo.
:=) Gary Swancey
I believe every American needs to read this and understand all of it.
From a former History Professor at the US Air Force Academy:
Recently, I was asked to look at the recent events through the lens of military history. I have joined the cast of thousands who have written an "open letter to Americans." Please share it if you feel so moved. Tony
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Dear friends and fellow Americans 14 September, 2001
Like everyone else in this great country, I am reeling from last week's attack on our sovereignty. But unlike some, I am not reeling
from surprise.
As a career soldier and a student and teacher of military history, I have a different perspective and I think you should hear it. This war
will be won or lost by the American citizens, not diplomats, politicians or soldiers.
Let me briefly explain.
In spite of what the media, and even our own government is telling us, this act was not committed by a group of mentally deranged
fanatics. To dismiss them as such would be among the gravest of mistakes. This attack was
committed by a ferocious, intelligent and dedicated adversary. Don't take this the wrong way. I don't admire these men and I deplore
their tactics, but I respect their capabilities. The many parallels that have been made with the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor are
apropos. Not only because it was a brilliant sneak attack against a complacent America, but also because we may well be pulling our new adversaries out of caves 30 years after we think this war is over, just like my father's generation had to
do with the formidable Japanese in the years following WW II.
These men hate the United States with all of their being, and we must not underestimate the power of their moral commitment.
Napoleon, perhaps the world's greatest combination of soldier and statesman, stated "the moral is to the physical as three is to one." Patton thought the Frenchman underestimated its importance and said moral conviction was five
times more important in battle than physical strength. Our enemies are willing - better said anxious -- to give their lives for their cause.
How committed are we America? And for how long?
In addition to demonstrating great moral conviction, the recent attack demonstrated a mastery of some of the basic fundamentals of
warfare taught to most military officers worldwide, namely simplicity, security and
surprise. When I first heard rumors that some of these men may have been trained at our own Air War College, it made perfect sense to me. This was not a random act of violence, and we can expect the same sort of military competence to be displayed in the battle to come. This war will escalate, with a good portion of it happening right here in the good ol' U.S. of A.
These men will not go easily into the night. They do not fear us. We must not fear them.
In spite of our overwhelming conventional strength as the world's only "superpower" (a truly silly term), we are the underdog in this
fight. As you listen to the carefully scripted rhetoric designed to prepare us for the march for war, please realize that America is not
equipped or seriously trained for the battle ahead. To be certain, our soldiers are much better than the enemy, and we have some
excellent "counter-terrorist" organizations, but they are mostly trained for hostage rescues, airfield seizures, or the occasional "body
snatch," (which may come in handy). We will be fighting a war of anhilation, because if their early efforts are any indication, our enemy is ready and willing to die to the last man.
Eradicating the enemy will be costly and time consuming. They have already deployed their forces in as many as 20 countries, and
are likely living the lives of everyday citizens. Simply put, our soldiers will be tasked with a search and destroy mission on multiple
foreign landscapes, and the public must be patient and supportive until the strategy and tactics can be worked out.
For the most part, our military is still in the process of redefining itself and presided over by men and women who grew up with - and
were promoted because they excelled in - Cold War doctrine, strategy and tactics. This will not be linear warfare, there will be no clear
"centers of gravity" to strike with high technology weapons. Our vast technological edge will certainly be helpful, but it will not be
decisive. Perhaps the perfect metaphor for the coming battle was introduced by the terrorists
themselves aboard the hijacked aircraft -- this will be a knife fight, and it will be won or lost by the ingenuity and will of citizens and
soldiers, not by software or smart bombs. We must also be patient with our military leaders.
Unlike Americans who are eager to put this messy time behind us, our adversaries have time on their side, and they will use it. They plan to
fight a battle of attrition, hoping to drag the battle out until the American public loses its will to fight. This might be difficult to believe
in this euphoric time of flag waving and patriotism, but it is generally acknowledged that America lacks the stomach for a long fight.
We need only look as far back as Vietnam, when North Vietnamese General Vo Nguyen Giap (also a military history teacher)
defeated the United States of America without ever winning a major tactical battle. American soldiers who marched
to war cheered on by flag waving Americans in 1965 were reviled and spat upon less than three years later when they returned.
Although we hope that Usama Bin Laden is no Giap, he is certain to understand and employ the concept. We can expect not only
large doses of
pain like the recent attacks, but! also less audacious "sand in the gears" tactics, ranging from livestock infestations to attacks at water
supplies and power distribution facilities. These attacks are designed to hit us in our "comfort zone" forcing the average American to
"pay more and play less" and eventually eroding our resolve. But it can only work if we let it.
It is clear to me that the will of the American citizenry - you and I - is the center of gravity the enemy has targeted. It will be the fulcrum
upon which victory or defeat will turn. He believes us to be soft, impatient, and self-centered. He may be right, but if so, we must
change. The Prussian general Carl von Clausewitz, (the most often quoted and least read military theorist in history), says that there
is a "remarkable trinity of war" that is composed of the (1) will of the people, (2) the political
leadership of the government, and (3) the chance and probability that plays out on the field of battle, in that order. Every American
citizen was in the crosshairs of last Tuesday's attack, not just those that were unfortunate enough to be in the World Trade Center or
Pentagon. The will of the American people will decide this war. If we are to win, it will be because we have what it takes to persevere
through a few more hits, learn from our mistakes, improvise, and adapt. If we can do that, we will eventually prevail.
Everyone I've talked to In the past few days has shared a common frustration, saying in one form or another "I just wish I could do
something!" You are already doing it. Just keep faith in America, and continue to support your President and military, and the
outcome is certain.
If we fail to do so, the outcome is equally certain.
God Bless America
Dr. Tony Kern, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
Former Director of Military History, USAF Academy
God Bless America!
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Re: More Objectivist thoughts on the War on Terrorism:
I knew there was a reason I like Rand. It's a shame Browne and the other so-called "libertarians" don't share this view.
More Objectivist thoughts on the War on Terrorism:
http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/itistimetodeclarewar.shtml
It Is Time to Declare War
By Leonard Peikoff
September 19, 2001—Fifty years of increasing American appeasement in the Mideast have led to fifty years of increasing contempt in the Muslim world for the U.S. The climax was the thousands of deaths on September 11, 2001—the blackest day in our history, so far. The Palestinians, illustrating the region's hatred of what Iran calls "the Great Satan," responded to America's agony by dancing in the streets and handing out candy.
Fifty years ago, Truman and Eisenhower surrendered the West's property rights in oil, although that oil rightfully belonged to those in the West whose science, technology, and capital made its discovery and use possible. The first country to nationalize a Western oil company, in 1951, was Iran. The rest, observing our frightened silence, hurried to grab off their piece of the newly available loot.
The cause of the U.S. silence was not practical, but philosophical. The Arab dictators were denouncing wealthy egotistical capitalism. They were crying that their poor needed our sacrifice; that oil, like all property, is owned collectively, by virtue of birth; and that they knew their viewpoint was true by means of otherworldly emotion. Our Presidents had no answer. Implicitly, they were ashamed of the Declaration of Independence. They did not dare to answer aloud that Americans, properly, were motivated by the selfish desire to achieve personal happiness in a rich, secular, individualist society.
The Arabs embodied in extreme form every idea—selfless duty, anti-materialism, faith or feeling above science, the supremacy of the group—which our universities, our churches, and our own political Establishment had long been upholding as the essence of virtue. When two groups, our leadership and theirs, accept the same basic ideas, the most consistent side wins.
After property came liberty. In the first year of his theocratic revolution, Ayatollah Khomeini kidnapped 52 U.S. diplomatic personnel in Iran and held them hostage; Carter's reaction was fumbling paralysis. About a decade later, Iran topped this evil. Khomeini issued his infamous Fatwa aimed at preventing the publication, even outside his borders, of ideas uncongenial to Muslim sensibility. This was the meaning of his threat to kill the British author Rushdie and to destroy his American publisher; their crime was the exercise of their right to express an unpopular intellectual viewpoint. Here was government censorship on the widest scale. It was Iran's attempt, reaffirmed after Khomeini's death, to stifle, anywhere in the world, the very process of thought. Bush Sr. looked the other way.
After liberty came American life itself, which had been inviolate from foreign murder-networks for two centuries. The first killers were the Palestinian hijackers of the late 1960s.But the killing spree which has now shattered our soaring landmarks, our daily routine, and our souls, began in earnest only after the license granted by Carter and Bush Sr.
Many nations work to fill our body bags. But Iran, according to a State Department report of 1999, is "the most active state sponsor of terrorism," training and arming groups from all over the Mideast, including Islamic Jihad, Hamas, and Hezbollah. Nor is Iran's government now "moderating." Less than five months ago, the world's leading terrorist groups met and resolved to unite in a holy war against the U.S., which they called "a second Israel"; this meeting was held in Teheran.(Fox News 9/16/01)
What has been the U.S. response to the above? In 1996, nineteen U.S. soldiers were killed in their barracks in Saudi Arabia. According to a front-page story in The New York Times (6/21/98): "Evidence suggesting that Iran sponsored the attack has further complicated the investigation, because the United States and Saudi Arabia have recently sought to improve relations with a new, relatively moderate Government in Teheran." In other words, Clinton evaded Iran's role because he wanted, in his words, "a genuine reconciliation." In public, of course, he continued to vow that he would find and punish the guilty. Clinton's inaction in this instance is comparable to his action after bin Laden's attack on U.S. embassies in East Africa; his action was the gingerly bombing of two meaningless targets.
Conservatives are equally responsible for today's crisis, as Reagan's record attests. Reagan not only failed to retaliate after 241 U.S. marines were slaughtered in Lebanon; he did worse. Holding that Islamic guerrillas were our ideological allies because of their fight against the atheistic Soviets, he methodically poured money and expertise into Afghanistan. This put the U.S. wholesale into the business of creating terrorists. Most of them regarded fighting the Soviets as only the beginning; our turn soon came.
For more than a decade, there was a further guarantee of American impotence: the claim that a terrorist is a man alone responsible for his actions, and that each, therefore, must be tried as an individual before a court of law. This viewpoint, thankfully, is fading; most people now understand that terrorists exist only through the sanction and support of a government.
We do not need to prove the identity of any of these creatures, because terrorism is not an issue of personalities. It cannot be stopped by destroying bin Laden and his army (although I hope they are already dead)—or even by destroying the destroyers everywhere. If that is all we do, a new army of militants will soon rise up to replace the old one.
The behavior of such militants is that of the regimes which make them possible. Their atrocities are not crimes, but acts of war. The proper response to such acts, as the public now understands, is a war in self-defense. In the excellent words of Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy secretary of defense, we must "end states who sponsor terrorism."
Ending a state requires a war fought without self-crippling restrictions placed on our commanders in the field. It requires a real war, not the halfway fiasco or the public-relations charade of the Bush-Clinton years. These requirements rule out a coalition with the U.N., and especially with any terrorist nation(s)—which latter is the equivalent of going into partnership with the Soviet Union in order to fight Communism (under the pretext, say, of proving that we are not anti-Russian).
If America's President were to court a Mideastern coalition, it would be an admission that he needs the approval of terrorist nations in order to fight them. It would be a public declaration that the world's only superpower does not have enough self-confidence to act unilaterally in its own defense. Better to do nothing than to flaunt such moral cowardice, and thereby to invite into our cities the next wave of suicide-seekers.
If we do not wage a proper war now, then when? If our appeasement has led to an escalation of disasters in the past, can it do otherwise in the future? Do we wait until the terrorists unleash against us the nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons they are rushing to get hold of?
The future of America is at stake. The risk of a U.S. overreaction, therefore, is negligible. The only risk is underreaction.
A proper war is one fought with the most effective weapons we possess (Rumsfeld reportedly refuses, correctly, to rule out nuclear weapons).And it is one fought in the manner most beneficial to the American cause, regardless of the suffering and death this will bring to countless innocents caught in the line of fire. Only this approach ensures that the war will be won as quickly as possible, and with the fewest American casualties.
The public understandably demands immediate retaliation against Afghanistan. But in the wider context Afghanistan is insignificant. It is too physically devastated even to breed many fanatics. Since it is no more these days than a place to hide, its elimination would do little to end terrorism.
Terrorism is a specific disease, which can be treated only by a specific antidote. The nature of the disease (though not of its antidote) is suggested by Serge Schmemann in The New York Times (9/16/01).Our struggle now, he writes in part, is "not a struggle against a conventional guerrilla force, whose yearning for a national homeland or the satisfaction of some grievance could be satisfied or denied. The terrorists [on Tuesday] . . . issued no demands, no ultimatums. They did it solely out of grievance and hatred—hatred for the values cherished in the West as freedom, tolerance, prosperity, religious pluralism and universal suffrage, but abhorred by religious fundamentalists (and not only Muslim fundamentalists) as licentiousness, corruption, greed and apostasy."
Every word of this is true. The obvious implication is that the struggle against terrorism is ultimately a struggle of ideas, which can be dealt with only by intellectual and philosophical means. But this fact does not depreciate the crucial role of our armed forces. On the contrary, it increases their effectiveness, by pointing them to the right target.
Most of the Mideast is ruled by range-of-the-moment thugs who would be paralyzed by an American victory over any one of their neighbors. Iran, however, is the only major country in the region ruled by zealots dedicated not to material gain (such as more wealth or territory), but to the triumph by any means, however violent, of Islamic fundamentalism. This is why Iran manufactures the most terrorists.
If one were under a Nazi aerial bombardment, it would be senseless to restrict one's defensive efforts to Nazi satellites while ignoring Germany and the ideological plague it is working to spread. What Germany was to Nazism in the 1940s, Iran is to terrorism today. Whatever other countries it strikes, therefore, the U.S. can put an end to the Jihad-mongers only by taking out Iran.
We must not only wipe out Iran's terrorist sanctuaries, its training camps, and its military capability. We must also do the equivalent of de-Nazifying the country, by expelling every official and bringing down every branch of its government. This is a goal that cannot be achieved painlessly, by bombs and missiles alone. It requires invasion by ground troops, who will be at serious risk, and perhaps a period of occupation. But nothing less will "end the state" that most cries out to be ended.
The greatest obstacle to U.S. victory is not Iran and its allies, but our own intellectuals. Even now, they are preaching the same ideas that led to our historical paralysis. They are asking a reeling nation, in the name of "restraint," to apply only economic and diplomatic pressures, like those that have failed so spectacularly and for so long. The multiculturalist professors are pushing "understanding" in the name of avoiding "racism" (i.e., any condemnation of "another culture").The friends of "love" are reminding us, not too loudly yet, of our duty to turn the other cheek.
The Superintendent of Schools in San Diego led a discussion of the bin Laden attack in an eleventh-grade history class. Among other things, he asked the students to empathize with the feelings that the event would engender in a Palestinian; and also "to compare the victims killed in the World Trade Center with those who died in Hiroshima." (San Diego Union-Tribune, 9/13/01)
These are the kinds of voices that will be heard increasingly in the universities, the churches, and the media as the country recovers from its first shock, and the professoriate et al. feel emboldened once again to conduct their ideological "business as usual." These voices are a siren song luring us to untroubled sleep while the fanatics proceed to gut America.
We can avert the catastrophe only if our government is courageous enough to hold out against the siren-singers. This requires, at minimum, that our bombs and troops be accompanied by our President's passionately righteous statement that we have broken with the clichés of our paper-tiger past and that the U.S. now places America first.
Mr. Bush must make it clear that we regard the war against terrorism as a sacred obligation to our Founding Fathers, to every victim of the men who hate this country, and to ourselves. He must make the world understand that hereafter, as a matter of principle, we will always and everywhere take up arms to secure an American's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness here on earth.
The choice today is mass death in the United States or mass death in the terrorist nations. Our Commander-In-Chief must decide whether it is his duty to save Americans or the governments who conspire to kill them.
Leonard Peikoff is the founder of the Ayn Rand Institute in Marina del Rey, California. The Institute promotes the philosophy of Ayn Rand, author of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead.
greg
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the article from The Ayn Rand Institute. Anyone who is familiar with Rand's philosophy, Objectivism, will realize that the Muslim extremists are the personification of "Attila The Hun" and the "Witch Doctor" rolled into one entity.
Kind regards,
greg
For those not knowing FOX News is the best coverage and nonbias. I love O'Reilly Factor. Blunt and to the point.
I agree though ABC should get a stiff pieve of our minds on that crock.
:=) Gary Swancey
This may have already been posted. I did not see this, but if it's FACT......I would hope everyone would take time to send ABC a direct message ! :(
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ABC's Vile Bill Maher Calls U.S. Military Cowardly
The evil-tongued Bill Maher is finally getting his comeuppance.
Maher, all too often the chief dunce of political correctness on ABC's hypocritically named "Politically Incorrect," has finally ticked off his advertisers, this time by insulting our men and women in uniform.
"We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away," he said during a rant against the U.S. military. "That's cowardly."
He expressed his admiration for the terrorists who slammed hijacked airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing thousands of Americans.
"Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly," the schlock show host said.
Federal Express and Sears have yanked their ads from the late-night show.
"Sears took this action after reviewing a transcript of the September 17 conversation among Maher and his guests in which the U.S. military was described as cowardly," the retailer said in a statement today.
After receiving a flood of complaints from around the country, Federal Express did likewise.
It's about time. For some reason advertisers didn't seem to mind when Maher "joked" about Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris being murdered or compared retarded children to dogs.
Maher made his comments after Dinesh D'Souza, a panelist on Monday's program, disputed President Bush's reference to the terrorists as cowards.
"These are warriors," D'Souza claimed, "and we have to realize that the principles of our way of life are in conflict with people in the world."
Radio host and station general manager Dan Patrick told the Houston Chronicle: "I was just appalled. When you call our men in the [armed forces] cowards and our military policy cowardly, and when you call these hijackers 'warriors,' that should not be tolerated."
"The First Amendment gives us the freedom of speech, but it does not guarantee anyone a TV show or a TV camera or a radio show, for that matter," Patrick said. "If Bill Maher believes that Americans are cowards and hijackers are warriors, let him go out on the street corner and shout that. But Disney does not have to give him a TV show and Channel 13 does not have to air that show."
ABC issued a statement saying that Maher's show "celebrates freedom of speech and encourages the animated exchange of ideas and opinions. Understandably, this forum can oftentimes arouse intense emotions, especially during such a sensitive time."
"While we remain sensitive to the current climate following last week's tragedy, and continue to do our part to help viewers cope with unfolding events, we have an obligation to offer a forum for the expression of our nation's diverse opinions."
So why not express your diverse opinions to ABC? E-mail: netaudr@abc.com.
ABC Inc.
500 S. Buena Vista St.
Burbank, CA 91521
See if ABC still feels it's their "obligation" after you express a boycott of their station and sponsors.
BRAVO! Crime or War? The Proper Response to the Terrorist Attacks in New York and Washington
http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/crimeorwar.shtml
September 17, 2001
By Dianne Durante
I am haunted by words from an Ayn Rand novel: "They don't want to live; they want you to die." Watching the smoke from thousands of lives and billions of dollars of property billow past my child's playground in New York on September 11th, I finally grasped what those words meant. The attacks on New York and Washington that day were obviously not just an attempt to strike at America's economy, defense, prestige or national symbols. These attacks, carried out at the beginning of a busy weekday in two of the most populous cities of the East Coast, were cold-bloodedly calculated to wreak maximum death and devastation.
The question—the immediate, essential, urgent question—is how to prevent more attacks by fanatics so zealous to kill Americans that they are willing to die doing it. Our proper response depends on whether this is a crime by individuals or an act of war by a foreign government. If it was a crime by an individual, like the Oklahoma City bombing, then we would gather the evidence and bring the perpetrator to trial. If it was a crime by individuals sponsored and abetted by a foreign government, then it was an act of war, and is a matter for military action: immediate and decisive. If the attack was in fact government-sponsored, then capturing and punishing individual killers is less crucial than preventing further attacks by the foreign government.
Mere hours after the bombings, there was already evidence that terrorist Osama bin Laden was involved. Bin Laden boasted weeks ago that "something big" would be happening soon. Convincing evidence indicates his involvement in earlier bombings, including the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center (6 dead, over 1,000 wounded), the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania (224 dead, over 5,000 wounded), and the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole in the harbor of Aden (17 dead, 39 wounded). Bin Laden publicly proclaimed in 1998, "To kill Americans and their allies, both civil and military, is an individual duty of every Muslim who is able, in any country where this is possible." With such a record and such explicit statements, it is easy to believe that bin Laden masterminded the slaughter of September 11.
That, however, does not mean that he is solely responsible, or that eliminating him would eliminate terrorist activity against the United States. Why?
Bin Laden and his like could not operate without the knowledge, cooperation and approval of the governments in whose territory they encamped. Sometimes the cooperation is merely turning a blind official eye to the presence of sizeable enclaves where dozens or hundreds of armed men are being drilled in infiltration, communications, counter-intelligence, weapons, sabotage, murder. Sometimes the government is more active, providing weapons, men, supplies and money.
We have known for a long time which governments are active supporters of terrorists: Iran, Iraq, Syria, the Sudan, Libya, Afghanistan. They have constantly and explicitly abetted bin Laden and other terrorists, and have repeatedly refused to close down the training camps within their boundaries, or to extradite known terrorists. Given the hatred of these governments for the United States—its wealth, its pride, its technology, its emphasis on life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness—if bin Laden were killed tomorrow, they would eagerly fund others to take his place. The only way to stop further terrorist attacks is therefore to deal with the source—the countries who harbor terrorists.
We are at war, and we must respond accordingly, causing maximum damage as quickly as possible with minimum risk to and loss of American lives. We must deliver an ultimatum to Iran, Iraq, Syria, the Sudan, Libya and Afghanistan: within seven days, disarm your military, destroy all terrorist camps within your borders, and allow constant inspections henceforth to guarantee that you do not again become a threat to American citizens. If these countries fail to comply—which is extremely likely, given America's record of vacillation and weakness in the face of decades of terrorist attacks—we must unhesitatingly bomb the terrorist camps to rubble, AND raze the capitals of the countries in question, starting with Afghanistan. Blow them out of the 21st century and back to the period that had no respect for life, liberty and property: the Dark Ages.
What about the "innocent citizens" in those countries? Many danced in the streets with delight at the news that thousands of American civilians had been burned and crushed to death. If there are any true innocents among them, let them take those seven days to flee the capital and the country, or to rebel.
To retaliate against a country whose government aids and abets terrorists is not vengeance. It is not bloodlust. It is not murder. It is self-defense. They do not want to live: we do. Let's remove their threat so promptly and so decisively that no one will think of making it again—and then get on with our lives.
Every liberal should read this before they start ... lets help the "Poor Me" crock.
:=) Gary Swancey
Yep that is a crock. They want bin Laden to leave of his own free will (in the USA that is known as flight) but further the call for a holy war if the USA moves on terrorism, Which a lot of the terrorst group are Islam Extremeists.
SO this tells me that no matter what the Islamic Tribe leaders support the killing of innocent infidels in America and thus protecting the terrorist.
Already the liberals are starting their nonsense ...
:=) Gary Swancey
This is BS;
http://msnbc.com/news/629304.asp
An Enemy Within ... FrontPageMagazine.com / September 19, 2001
http://www.frontpagemag.com/horowitzsnotepad/
REPRESENTATIVE BARBARA LEE, Democrat of Berkeley, was the only member of Congress who refused to defend her country under attack. The Los Angeles Times calls Barbara Lee a "liberal" and compares her to "anti-war" dissenters of the past, most notably Jeanette Rankin who cast the lone vote in the U.S. Congress against America’s entry into the Second World War and said after Pearl Harbor, "As a woman I can’t go to war, and I refuse to send anyone else." We are at war again, and it’s time to call things by their right names.
Barbara Lee is not an anti-war activist, she is an anti-American communist who supports America’s enemies and has actively collaborated with them in their war against America.
I met Barbara Lee when she was working in city politics in Oakland. I met her in the penthouse headquarters of Huey Newton, the infamous "Minister of Defense" for the Black Panther Party. Newton was a gangster at war with America and Barbara Lee was his undercover agent in local government.
Barbara Lee later became a staffer in the office of Democrat congressman Ron Dellums. In this capacity she committed an act of betrayal that I am unable to describe as treason only because she was never prosecuted for it. At the time, Ron Dellums was the head of the House Sub-committee on Military Installations. In this capacity, he had top security clearance and carried on a one-man campaign to thwart the foreign policy of the United States in regard to the Communist dictatorship of Grenada.
U.S. security officials had identified the Communist dictatorship as a threat because of the presence of large numbers of Soviet bloc advisers and their ongoing construction of an airport that could be used for Soviet military planes. As the ranking Democrat member of the House Armed Services Committee, Dellums went to Grenada to conduct his own fact-finding tour. On his return he testified before the House Subcommittee on Inter-American Affairs that "based on my personal observations, discussion and analysis of the new international airport under construction in Grenada, it is my conclusion that this project is specifically now and has always been for the purpose of economic development and is not for military use…. It is my thought that it is absurd, patronizing and totally unwarranted for the United States Government to charge that this airport poses a military threat to the United States’ national security."
What legislators did not know at the time was that Dellums had previously submitted his report on the airport to the Communist dictator of Grenada for his prior approval, and subject to any changes he or his military advisers chose to make. In other words, Dellums acted as an agent of the Communist enemy in abetting his hostile designs against the United States. His emissary in this act of betrayal was Barbara Lee.
We know this from government documents retrieved by US marines after Grenada was liberated by U.S. forces. One document was a love-letter from Dellums’ chief of staff, Carlottia Scott (recent political issues director of the Demcoratic National Committee) to the Grenadian dictator himself, Maurice Bishop. In the letter Carlottia Scott wrote: "Ron [Dellums] has become truly committed to Grenada, and has some positive political thinking to share with you…. He’s really hooked on you and Grenada and doesn’t want anything to happen to building the Revolution and making it strong. He really admires you as a person and even more so as a leader with courage and foresight, principles and integrity…. The only other person that I know of that he expresses such admiration for is Fidel."
Another document liberated by the marines contained the minutes of a Politburo meeting attended by the Communist dictator and his military command. "Barbara Lee is here presently and has brought with her a report on the international airport that was done by Ron Dellums. They have requested that we look at the document and suggest any changes we deem necessary. They will be willing to make the changes."
If this is not treason, what is?
GRRRRRRRRRRRR ...
:=) Gary Swancey
From a REAL American!
Wednesday, Sept. 18, 2001 7:40 p.m. EDT
Dan Rather: Born Again!
http://www.newsmax.com
While the major media - notably Peter Jennings at ABC World News Tonight - have earned appropriate criticism for their incessant sniping at President Bush, Dan Rather is earning praise.
Brent Bozell's Media Research Center began its news alert today by saying, "Dan Rather has done plenty over his career to earn the suspicions of conservatives, but Monday night, on CBS's Late Show with David Letterman, Rather displayed emotion and patriotic fervor which all Americans should respect."
You can tell Dan Rather you're a NewsMax reader and thank him for standing up for America and for President Bush. Click Here to e-mail Dan Rather.
The alert continued: "Rather twice broke down into tears, and had to stop speaking, in what certainly appeared to be genuine outpourings of emotion as he recalled the heroic work of the firefighters and later recited lines from 'America the Beautiful.'
"Rather wondered: 'Who can sing now, with the same meaning we had before, one stanza of that that goes 'so beautiful for patriot's dream, that sees beyond the years, thine alabaster cities gleam, undimmed by human tears.' We can never sing that song again, that way. ...'
"Rather's appearance on the somber Late Show, the first produced since the terrorist attacks, came after Letterman opened the program with a very emotional chain of thoughts.
"Rather generated applause for praising President Bush as 'Giuliani-esque' for looking 'the camera straight in the eye, unblinking' and saying: 'Osama: Dead or alive.'
"A couple of minutes later Rather promised: 'But I couldn't feel stronger, David, that this is a time for us - and I'm not preaching about it - George Bush is the President. He makes the decisions, and, you know, it's just one American, wherever he wants me to line up, just tell me where. And he'll make the call.'
"As for why the U.S. has not yet struck back, Rather wisely counseled: 'There’s a saying in the Far East. Revenge is best served cold. Which is to say, wait your time, take your time. It's also, Rudyard Kipling wrote, that the law of the jungle is, you never lose your temper. Well, we're past that. We've lost our temper. And I'm sorry I've shown [emotion] so clearly here tonight, but there's a rage within in all of us that has to be sort of tempered while we take care of business.'"
God Bless America!
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If I was Bill I'd be leaving the country. I hope every news service around picks this up....................
Wednesday, Sept. 19, 2001
ABC's Vile Bill Maher Calls U.S. Military Cowardly
The evil-tongued Bill Maher is finally getting his comeuppance.
Maher, all too often the chief dunce of political correctness on ABC's hypocritically named "Politically Incorrect," has finally ticked off his advertisers, this time by insulting our men and women in uniform.
"We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away," he said during a rant against the U.S. military. "That's cowardly."
He expressed his admiration for the terrorists who slammed hijacked airliners into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, killing thousands of Americans.
"Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly," the schlock show host said.
Federal Express and Sears have yanked their ads from the late-night show.
"Sears took this action after reviewing a transcript of the September 17 conversation among Maher and his guests in which the U.S. military was described as cowardly," the retailer said in a statement today.
After receiving a flood of complaints from around the country, Federal Express did likewise.
It's about time. For some reason advertisers didn't seem to mind when Maher "joked" about Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris being murdered or compared retarded children to dogs.
Maher made his comments after Dinesh D'Souza, a panelist on Monday's program, disputed President Bush's reference to the terrorists as cowards.
"These are warriors," D'Souza claimed, "and we have to realize that the principles of our way of life are in conflict with people in the world."
Radio host and station general manager Dan Patrick told the Houston Chronicle: "I was just appalled. When you call our men in the [armed forces] cowards and our military policy cowardly, and when you call these hijackers 'warriors,' that should not be tolerated."
"The First Amendment gives us the freedom of speech, but it does not guarantee anyone a TV show or a TV camera or a radio show, for that matter," Patrick said. "If Bill Maher believes that Americans are cowards and hijackers are warriors, let him go out on the street corner and shout that. But Disney does not have to give him a TV show and Channel 13 does not have to air that show."
ABC issued a statement saying that Maher's show "celebrates freedom of speech and encourages the animated exchange of ideas and opinions. Understandably, this forum can oftentimes arouse intense emotions, especially during such a sensitive time."
"While we remain sensitive to the current climate following last week's tragedy, and continue to do our part to help viewers cope with unfolding events, we have an obligation to offer a forum for the expression of our nation's diverse opinions."
So why not express your diverse opinions to ABC? E-mail: netaudr@abc.com.
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Who did it? Foreign Report presents an alternative view
http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr010919_1_n.shtml
Israel’s military intelligence service, Aman, suspects that Iraq is the state that sponsored the suicide attacks on the New York Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington. Directing the mission, Aman officers believe, were two of the world’s foremost terrorist masterminds: the Lebanese Imad Mughniyeh, head of the special overseas operations for Hizbullah, and the Egyptian Dr Ayman Al Zawahiri, senior member of Al-Qaeda and possible successor of the ailing Osama Bin Laden.
The two men have not been seen for some time. Mughniyeh is probably the world’s most wanted outlaw. Unconfirmed reports in Beirut say he has undergone plastic surgery and is unrecognisable. Zawahiri is thought to be based in Egypt. He could be Bin Laden’s chief representative outside Afghanistan.
The Iraqis, who for several years paid smaller groups to do their dirty work, were quick to discover the advantages of Al-Qaeda. The Israeli sources claim that for the past two years Iraqi intelligence officers were shuttling between Baghdad and Afghanistan, meeting with Ayman Al Zawahiri. According to the sources, one of the Iraqi intelligence officers, Salah Suleiman, was captured last October by the Pakistanis near the border with Afghanistan. The Iraqis are also reported to have established strong ties with Imad Mughniyeh.
"We’ve only got scraps of information, not the full picture," admits one intelligence source, "but it was good enough for us to send a warning six weeks ago to our allies that an unprecedented massive terror attack was expected. One of our indications suggested that Imad Mughniyeh met with some of his dormant agents on secret trips to Germany. We believe that the operational brains behind the New-York attack were Mughniyeh and Zawahiri, who were probably financed and got some logistical support from the Iraqi Intelligence Service (SSO)."
Mughniyeh was the only one believed to have tried it before. On April 12th 1997, he was reported to be only two hours away from achieving the highest goal of any terrorist organisation (until last week): blowing up an Israeli El-Al airliner above Tel Aviv. A man carrying a forged British passport with the name Andrew Jonathan Neumann was in a Jerusalem hotel preparing a bomb he was supposed to take on board an El-Al flight leaving Israel, when it accidentally went off. Andrew Jonathan Neumann was very badly injured but strong enough to reveal later to the Israelis that he was not British but Lebanese, and that his operation was supposed to be a special "gift" to Israel from Imad Mughniyeh.
:=) Gary Swancey
Operation Infinite Justice" has begun.
Pentagon Orders Deployment of Aircraft
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55476-2001Sep19.html
By Charles Babington
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 19, 2001; 3:17 PM
The Pentagon today ordered combat and supply planes to begin moving to the Persian Gulf area, a sign that the nation may be moving closer to armed reprisals for last week's deadly terrorist attacks, a senior defense official told the Associated Press.
The aircraft will be preceded by teams of Air Force air controllers who will coordinate refueling of the fighters and bombers as they deploy from the United States to bases in the Gulf region, the official said.
The order, signed by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, involved no troop movements.
Meanwhile today, stocks resumed the steep dive that began on Monday. The Dow Jones Industrial average had lost more than 400 points by midafternoon, although it recovered slightly with less than an hour left in the trading day.
At the White House, President Bush -- who drew decidedly mixed reviews for his first forays into diplomatic and international affairs earlier this year -- continued an ambitious and complex drive to unite dozens of nations into a solid front against terrorism. After hosting France's president last night, Bush today met with the president of Indonesia (the world's most populous Islamic nation), and was scheduled to meet with the foreign ministers of Russia and Germany. Tomorrow he will welcome British Prime Minister Tony Blair to the White House.
Bush is pressing nations on every continent to back U.S. plans -- admittedly vague for now -- to root out the terrorists who planned and supported last week's devastating attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. While leaders of virtually every nation, including traditional foes such as Iran, have condemned last week's attacks and terrorism in general, the U.S. drive for a broad coalition gives them new leverage to press the Bush administration for concessions.
As a result, Bush faces a crazy quilt of requests, if not outright demands, from many of the nations he hopes to forge into a common front against terrorism. Speaking with reporters as he greeted Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri today, Bush acknowledged that some nations will embrace the coalition more enthusiastically than others.
"This is a campaign in which nations will contribute in a variety of ways," he said. "Some nations will be willing to join in a very overt way. Other nations will be willing to join by sharing information." The coalition's goal, he said, is to locate terrorist leaders, "get them out of their caves, get them moving, cut off their finances."
As for the current investigation, Bush said: "We're on the case. We're gathering as much evidence as we possibly can to be able to make our case to the world about all countries and their willingness to harbor or not harbor terrorists."
Examples of the challenges the president faces:
The Middle East
• Several Arab and Islamic nations want the Bush administration to show more sympathy for Palestinians in their long-running conflict with Israel. These efforts, however, will face stiff resistance from many Jewish Americans and other advocates of America's traditionally strong support of Israel. Earlier this week, Secretary of State Colin Powell implored Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon not to squander an opportunity to renew cooperation with the Palestinians, who have declared a cease-fire in their conflict with Israel.
Pakistan
• U.S. forces will need to base some of their operations in Pakistan if they launch attacks on Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. Pakistan, an Islamic nation bordering Afghanistan, has signalled a willingness to cooperate. In return, however, the Pakistanis want the United States to end a decade of economic sanctions, to ease the nation's debt load and to lessen its tilt toward India, Pakistan's key rival.
In a televised speech to his nation today, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf defended his decision to work with the Americans. The U.S.-led effort to capture suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden does not target Islam or the people of Afghanistan, Musharraf said.
Russia
• Russia has deep concerns about Bush's advocacy of a national missile defense system. President Vladimir Putin now has a stronger bargaining position from which to press his objections.
China
• China is linking its support for a U.S.-led anti-terrorism campaign to its own goals of fighting separatist movements in Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang province.
Three Men Arrested in Detroit
Meanwhile on the domestic front, federal agents have arrested three men in Detroit who were allegedly found with false identification papers and notes on an American base in Turkey and a Jordanian airport, Detroit newspapers reported today.
The three men, from Algeria and Morocco, were arrested early Tuesday while the FBI was searching for a fourth man believed to have links to suspected terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. The men, two of whom previously worked for an airline meal service at Detroit Metropolitan Airport, were formally charged Tuesday with possession of false identification papers, including passports, Social Security cards and visas, according to an affidavit obtained by the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press.
Elsewhere, according to reports from the AP, Reuters and the Washington Post:
• On Capitol Hill, some lawmakers urged rapid action to aid the nation's airline industry, stricken by layoffs, reduced schedules and the prospects of bankruptcy in the wake of last week's terrorist attacks. "We have to get this done as soon as possible or we will not have an air transportation system," House Transportation Committee chairman Don Young (R-Alaska), said at the opening of a hearing on the industry's economic viability.
• In Colorado, the North American Aerospace Defense Command said U.S. fighter jets were only eight minutes away from one of the hijacked airliners when it crashed into the World Trade Center last week, the Associated Press reported. Two other military jets were 12 minutes away when an airliner hit the Pentagon, according to NORAD's official timeline. Bush had not authorized military pilots to shoot down any civilian planes until after the crash at the Pentagon, and military officials have questioned what fighters would have been able to do even if they had been in time. Nonetheless, the NORAD timeline quantifies how close they were to the scene of the Sept. 11 hijackings.
• In New York, the city's police commissioner said Wednesday hopes were dimming "each minute" of finding survivors in the rubble of the World Trade Center. A full week has passed since the last victim was pulled alive from the wreckage.
:=) Gary Swancey
I heard that he did make it out. I wish they all had :( SH
Yes, I agree and thought that might be a stategy. What do we do then? SH
Ok sending it to the SEC and other places ...
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:=) Gary Swancey
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