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I totally agree. "Hats off to Justin for taking action" It is not about the money with me. Something stinks in AAA land and "If the only thing that gets accomplished is a big X on resumes, it would be worth it."
Hats off to Justin for taking action.......Shareholders have rights and if there were by chance another deal to help finance & build this mine with plenty or little to no dilution, it should have been presented to the shareholders who have invested their hard earned bucks in this project....Many longs lost out by holding on and waiting for such, only to be sold out from management/special committee etc at a loss...If the only thing that gets accomplished is a big X on resumes, it would be worth it...If some financial support is needed in future to help the case, count on me...I would totally pay up!!!
For what exactly? What do you hope to accomplish? Suppose you vote down this offer, then what? I want to know your general expectations in this scenario if you're kind enough to share them.
I remember jousting with you a bit over your optimism on this stock, and I regret to inform you I still feel the same way. I'm re-visiting the board to evaluate a special situation play, which I can't really detect here.
What is the current bull thesis on this stock? Hope in a Chinese company that hasn't extended an offer? Twisting ICL for more?
Re-reading my post seems negative, so I'm hoping you can change my mind.
Looking forward to your reply,
Robot.
Ok...Almost feel better if somebody DID get something!
The double sellout did leave kind of a hand-in-glove rather than arms-length sort of negative perception for the fire sale delirium.
Note: 'Almost' would now seem applicable to horseshoes, hand grenades and potash mines... A learning experience for sure. As a shareholder, now I know when a successful project is not a success. Not just us against them... More like us against them and them! It would have been nice to have our management on our side during negotiations.
i meant as a payoff..
Consulting??? ICL was smart; unlikely to suffer fools!
ha.. that's the truth (giving more away to ICL)
sounds like a solid move on your part. i'm liquidating half my holdings and will let things play out with the other half.. i don't foresee any miracles though.. wouldn't be surprised to see Allana MGMT 'consulting' for ICL in the future.. ha total scumbags
Despicable/loonie Allana management down; loonie dollar up!
Finally sold a couple blocks on the US side this morning... fearful management may get caught up in some contractual small-print and/or more funny-business and give away even more to ICL.
Without even more managerial stumbling/blundering-about being likely, I would have held all my shares and seen this through for a potential new offer to play out and/or potential increased mid-east conflict, along with the US dollar short term valuation issues being considered.
Crap deceptive/defective Allana management trumped all other combined perceived risk in the end... at least for me!
Still holding a block just to see what happens, and all that "keen interest" adnauseam, at least for now...
Slyn, they have to tell us, we are shareholders and must be notified of any other offers.
Legally, do they have to tell us if they receive any kind of offer or can they try and sweep it aside like the Chineese offer?
Thanks
P.S. Ogi1, Your "pull the trigger in a few days time" is beginning to sound like FA's "a few weeks time till...."
I will be voting no, if that is your meaning of "unhappy or dissenting". Deal has a bad smell to it.
Unhappy or dissenting share holders should contact me on agora
I am also going to hang around. I will be amazed if this does not receive a higher bid.
Allana material/sale documents are now available on SEDAR!
Management self-interest greed now fuels blazing speed hyper-drive and commitment heretofore impossible.
Oh, what a tangled web they weave...
Deck is stacked against it but the clock is still running for any better offers to materialize.
That's exactly what I'm going to do. I know what I'm guaranteed and I'm not reinvesting this money so I'll just wait. Not real optimistic but to sell now would be to sell for less than guaranteed SP. The only variable is the value of the Canadian dollar to the U.S. Dollar. I'll risk that.
I don't need the money anytime soon and it's virtually guaranteed to sell at a minimum of .50 so I am going to wait a bit and see if other offers materialize over the next 5 months
I have been a lurker of this board for many years. Although I had hopes of seeing this project go to production I am happy to be out at .48. I learnt a lot trading this stock and also made some money along the way.
Good luck to everyone in their future investments!
There is none. The guarantee is 50 cents Canadian and then whatever the e change rate is at that time.
What SP American are we"guaranteed" if we wait until this deal closes?
This has absolutely no meaning to me. "In my opinion the deal last week is written in stone". Been through too many of these M&A s to make such a judgement. Of course, opinions dont mean much. May or may not happen, but seen so called unexpected offers more often than not in similar situations.
I'm done. Placed my sell order in my multiple accounts. Only sad thing is the loss in IRAs that are not deductible. While this board and its members have been fun, I can't say that about Allana or its Board.
In my opinion the deal last week is written in stone, as per the Financial Post interview with Farhad Abasov.
The company was in negotiations to sell a large stake in itself to a state-owned Chinese construction firm that could finance the project, but the premium was significant. Mr. Abasov argued, however, the Chinese option would be punitive for shareholders. "It would be close to 100 per cent, if not more, dilution for shareholders," he said. The all-cash bid from Israel Chemicals was better than the close at 33 cents Thursday, but far below Allana's high of $2.30 in 2011.
Allana Potash Corp (C-AAA) - In the News
Post says Allana accepts 50-cent Israel Chemicals bid
2015-03-30 08:59 ET - In the News
Shares issued 325,225,006
AAA Close 2015-03-27 C$ 0.475
The Financial Post reports in its Saturday edition Allana Potash has agreed to a $137-million takeover bid from Israel Chemicals Ltd. because there was no other way to avoid massive dilution of shareholders. The Post's Peter Koven writes Allana's Danakil project in Ethiopia is expected to cost $642-million (U.S.); by comparison, the company had less than $8-million on its balance sheet at the end of January. "Even if we could raise half of the money through debt, which is uncertain, we would still have to raise substantial amounts through equity," Allana chief executive officer Farhad Abasov told the Post. "And that equity would come at a substantial discount to the current price." Allana did have options apart from an outright takeover. The company was in negotiations to sell a large stake in itself to a state-owned Chinese construction firm that could finance the project, but the premium was significant. Mr. Abasov argued, however, the Chinese option would be punitive for shareholders. "It would be close to 100 per cent, if not more, dilution for shareholders," he said. The all-cash bid from Israel Chemicals was better than the close at 33 cents Thursday, but far below Allana's high of $2.30 in 2011.
Glad to see someone else saying what I am always thinking. "Analysts are paid shills and idiots"
Please note... Analysts are paid shills and idiots!
Based on analyst opinion, which all of a sudden seems to have shifted to Allana will never het financing on its own without significant dilution, there will be no other bidders, the question is what the Canadian dollar will do against the US dollar before the deal closes.
Additionally, should shareholders turn down the deal, would ICL just wait on the wings until the company is out of money?
My big question is why did LMM decide this was a good deal? They get the cash equivalent in ICL stock, so to the is one potash investment as good as another, especially since 50 cents is closer to what the originally paid?
So, to summarize, only three questions:
1-Will another company bid? Analysts don't think so?
2-If shareholders vote down the deal, would ICL increase their bid?
3-What affect will FX have on the deal, which will take a few months to close, and what affect would it have on #2 above which would take even longer (would an increased bid be eaten by FX)?
And the question for shareholders, sell now or wait for the full 50 cents, hoping FX doesn't put the dollar equivalent lower than it ia today?
"What the Allana ICL deal could mean for Potash"
http://potashinvestingnews.com/11739-what-the-allana-icl-deal-could-mean-for-potash-ma.html
I sold all my shares at $0.48 the morning after the announcement.
I enjoyed all our healthy debates. I'm completely reinvested - NOT in potash.
Good luck to everyone.
Anyone who is displeased and as insulted with the ICL offer can post their displeasure here (at the bottom of the page):
http://eco-opia.org/2015/03/26/allana-potash-enters-into-arrangement-agreement-with-icl/
Note that you do not have to use your real name, you can use a handle / username that you are comfortable with or just make something up.
I believe this is what happened to AAA:
John Kaiser: On Retail Investors and Junior Companies
China Communications Construction Company and Qinghai Salt Lake Industry Group Company committed to provide full project funding at no dilution to shareholders. ChemChina ( China BlueStar Changsha Design and Research Institute) would provide technical expertise...Investment approval had to take place on 27th of March 2015 09:30 LT (UTC+8) ; Allana published ICL deal on 26th of March ET (UTC-5) less than two hrs before investment approved in China. Allana (FA) didn't want to take project further, later stating it would create huge dilution. CCCC and QSLIG will need a few days for a bid. Min price expected 0,64 CAD.
This sounds like BS......
"... China BlueStar Changsha Design and Research Institute will provide experts and experience....but still big play even for them...."
This is from The Blue star web site:
It does not look like an outfit capable of providing any experience in potash mine building.
(they commissioned, however a MOP prcoessing plant with 100,000t/y capacity once)
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Ogi is this whole China deal something just strait out of your vivid imaginations or do you base these assumptions on some real facts, do you have anything to back this up with, can you give us some hints how you could possibly know this kind of info that obviously isn`t made public ?
Well, we will all soon know for ourselves about it.
I sure hope you are right so that those Israelis won`t get away with this steal so easy.
Ogi, obviously the Chinese would want the project for the SOP. We all know ICL has an offtake for 80% of the MOP. My question is, how do you know (what proof do you have) of the dealings with CCCC and other companies. How do you know that a decision was to be made on March 27? I am not a pumper, I am a shareholder and I am averaging 46 cents on over a quarter million shares so I am not losing money here. Whenever I have posted I have always tried to be realistic and tried to answer your questions with a logical answer. You have accused me of being a paid pumper and of being paid per post. That is not true. I am not paid to post nor do I have any affiliation with Allana except for the fact that I am a shareholder.
I have already spoken to Richard (he ask me to call him after I sent them an angry email on Thursday night after the news came out)and yes, he did offer up a lot of excuses as to why they sold. I may have thanked him for speaking with me but I was not happy with his answers or the situation in general.
All I am curious about is where you have your information regarding the CCCC and Bluestar / Changsha? And one of the reasons I am curious is that in Dec 2014, Chemchina / Bluestar posted an article on their website regarding a due diligence meeting they had with Allana and the article was deleted. A copy of the article was posted on agora (http://agoracom.com/ir/Allana/forums/discussion/topics/634943-allana-danakhil-project-due-diligence-meeting-held-in-chonfar/messages/1991914#message) but the original source on the Chemchina site has been deleted. I have to wonder WHY it was deleted and WHO asked it to be deleted.
Something is not right with the announcement they made on Thursday and subsequent conference call on Friday as several posters have indicated that any questions e-mailed to Richard regarding China involvement in Allana were ignored. Why did they not want to answer questions about China?
Justin, you may want to ask me why Chinese would bid for Allana to produce MOP which will be given to ICL as per of take agreement? Have no sense!!?? Because they want to build mine to produce SOP! That's how big boys fight back. It is not small decision, it is total around 1,2 - 1.3B decision. Large amount of money should come back to China because CCCC will build the mine, China BlueStar Changsha Design and Research Institute will provide experts and experience....but still big play even for them. Pretty sure in a few days time they will pull the trigger. Feel sorry that you didn't want to listen my critics towards Allana mngmnt . You can write to mngmnt as before and listen their explanations. They may convince you should be happy with 0,5$. Wondering what FA will say why China deal is turned down. He may say it was 10 million reasons to do so. :) Enjoy the game and remember that not all posters are bashers. I have no reasons to be here anymore or to make any other posts, it is a great profit on my end and would not like to be affected by depressive mood around. Recommend you to stay till the end. I am back to single malt and Cuban cigars. Cheers and good luck
Of course she is. She sits on the board as an independent director.
Is Betty-Ann Heggie tied to Allana potash scandal?
From post 12212:
Allana failed to tell shareholders that it had a superior offer from the largest contractor in China; Allana signed a written MOU with this company on 9 March (3 weeks ago).
Allana failed to tell shareholders that as of 2 days ago they were drafting investment agreements with the Chinese company.
Allana failed to tell shareholders that the "verbal opinion" was drafted by the same banker who participated directly in the negotiation of the Chinese deal and never mentioned it in his so-called valuation of the ICL transaction.
Allana failed to disclose that as of last week they were in discussions on the new supposedly $1.5 billion SOP resource with another major chemical company.
Allana failed to disclose that they knew the Chinese company was going to vote for the deal this morning and rushed to sign the ICL deal to pre-empt it.
Allana failed to disclose that the Chinese deal they don't want you to know about is in fact with a company of 10x the size of ICL and would have actually provided not just more money for 1/2 of the equity but committed to provide full project funding at no dilution to shareholders.
Hope you will have more luck next time :)
Ogi, can you please contact me on Agoracom. I have free memebrship here and cannot send private messages on this site. Thanks.
China Communications Construction Company and Qinghai Salt Lake Industry Group Company committed to provide full project funding at no dilution to shareholders. ChemChina ( China BlueStar Changsha Design and Research Institute) would provide technical expertise...Investment approval had to take place on 27th of March 2015 09:30 LT (UTC+8) ; Allana published ICL deal on 26th of March ET (UTC-5) less than two hrs before investment approved in China. Allana (FA) didn't want to take project further, later stating it would create huge dilution. CCCC and QSLIG will need a few days for a bid. Min price expected 0,64 CAD.
The US dollar is a lie, just as the US economy is. A house of cards that will fall. I certainly would not be converting any currencies into US dollars.
A shareholder who has enough stock to control a corporation is considered to have a fiduciary duty to the minority shareholders and to the corporation to use their power to control the corporation in a fair, just and equitable manner. This same rule applies to shareholders who combine their shares to control the corporation. This rule means, in general, that controlling shareholders cannot use their power to control the corporation to benefit themselves alone to the detriment of minority shareholders.
It is a comprehensive rule of fairness that can be the basis of holding a controlling shareholder liable in damages to a minority shareholder who suffered a loss because the controlling shareholder abused her power to control the corporation. For example, a majority shareholder who consistently pays herself exorbitant bonuses to keep the corporation from distributing any of its profits to the minority shareholders might be found to have breached her fiduciary duty to the minority shareholders.
From an investor on a sister board:
How about no?
A lot of short term, long term and even bashers ( and shorters ) were surprised last night.
I think i can say in all fairness that the overall sentiment is, that we are being picked up by ICL for some pennies, and second, that management screwed us over here right?
The last 24h there has been a lot of talking and noise on all boards, but eventually nothing happens or comes further from this no?
What choice do we have?
I suppose the only strong sign we can give is to let everybody know we are not happy and
to get info further than these boards we are used to!
What can we do?
-vote no for starters
-get a centralized point were all info/complaints/rumours like the CCCC etc is gathered, from all boards, whitout the snaggers and whatever
-come out with our info/complaints to all parties or anyone who we think off that needs to know the truth about this lowball offer
-like someone mentioned before today ( happened to another lowball offer and they ended up with a bigger offer eventually) , actively search, contact and talk to interested parties, letting them know a large part of shareholders does not agree with this
-....
Why? we know there is more profit to be made here,
we get an offer for the mop and sop that is less then for the mop a year ago...
Management is selling is out here!
If this does not help and were stuck with the 0.50 eventually,
at least we tried and stood up against this management that was not worthy of our trust in the end!!
No in reality the US dollar isn't next to worthless that's why we're getting .40 to your .50.
No definites there, but I will be very surprised if other offers are not received. I think there may also be a problem with non equal treatment of shareholders in this agreement. Either way though, we all had our opportunities to average down to well below .50, so nobody should be hurt badly.
Everyone should send an email to Farhad Abasov "congratulating" him for the deal that shafted shareholders. Here's his email fabasov@allanaresources.com
drives me nuts too.. well lets hope for a bidding war and ogi is onto something!!!
That always amazes me. The USA dollar is next to worthless in reality. Why are folks making comments like "Canadian dollar expected to continue to decline" I actually have more faith in the Canadian dollar than the US $.
so, you have proof this is going higher.or just insight? just curious
Cheeky, 5M to ICL is 0,02 in next bid.
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Most Recent Video Interview with Allana CEO Farhad Abasov (OCT-2010)
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NEWS ARCHIVES: http://www.allanapotash.com/s/News.asp
Tue, Dec 13, 2011
Allana Potash Announces Results of Its Annual and Special Meeting and Provides Operation Update
Tue, Nov 22, 2011
Allana Potash Announces Positive Preliminary Economic Assessment at its Danakhil Potash Project
Mon, Oct 3, 2011
Allana Potash Appoints Leading International Bank as Project Financing Advisor
Tue, Sep 27, 2011
Allana Potash Adopts Shareholders Rights Plan
Thu, Sep 22, 2011
Allana Potash Intersects High-Grade Potash at 38% KCl Over 3.5 Metres and Provides Project Update
Thu, Sep 8, 2011
Allana Potash to Commence Trading on the Toronto Stock Exchange (TSX)
Tue, Sep 6, 2011
Allana Potash Initiates Feasibility Study on Its Ethiopian Potash Project
Wed, Aug 24, 2011
Allana Potash Initiates Environmental and Social Impact Assessment on its Ethiopian Potash Project
Wed, Aug 10, 2011
Allana Potash Appoints Dr. Mark D. Stauffer, Ph.D., P.Ag, as Independent Chairman of the Board
Wed, Aug 3, 2011
Allana Potash Continues to Expand Potash Mineralization in Far Eastern License Area With 24% KCL Over 7.05 Metres in Hole DK-11-23
Tue, Jul 26, 2011
Allana Potash Acquires Title to Its Danakhil Potash Project in Ethiopia
Wed, Jul 6, 2011
Allana Potash Discovers Potash Mineralization in Far Eastern License Area With 23.7% KCL Over 6.56 Metres in Hole DK-11-20
Mon, Jun 20, 2011
Allana Potash Announces New NI 43-101 Compliant Measured and Indicated Mineral Resources of 673 Million Tonnes and an Increase in Inferred Mineral Resources to 596 Million Tonnes
Mon, Jun 13, 2011
Allana Potash Intersects New Zone of Potash Mineralization in Southwest With 61.26% KCl Over 0.9 Metres in Hole DK-11-19
Thu, May 19, 2011
Allana Potash Intersects Highest Grade Potash to Date With 52.40 % KCl Over 0.80 Metres
Mon, May 9, 2011
Allana Potash Joins OTCQX
Thu, May 5, 2011
Allana Potash Intersects More Shallow Potash
Tue, Apr 26, 2011
Allana Potash Intersects Shallow Potash in a Previously Unexplored Area
Mon, Apr 18, 2011
Allana Potash Announces Appointment of Jack Scott as Senior Vice President, Strategic Projects
Mon, Apr 11, 2011
Allana Potash Continues to Intersect High Grade Potash at Shallow Depths With 47.81 % KCL Over One Metre
Fri, Apr 1, 2011
Allana Potash Corp.: Liberty Metals & Mining Exercises Participation Rights in Connection With $10 Million IFC Financing for Further Proceeds of Up to $1.9 Million
Thu, Mar 24, 2011
Allana Potash Announces a Strategic Investment by International Finance Corporation
Mon, Mar 21, 2011
Allana Potash Retains ERCOSPLAN to Complete Resource Update on its Ethiopian Potash Project
Tue, Mar 15, 2011
Allana Potash Announces Completion and Positive Preliminary Interpretation of Its Seismic Program
Mon, Mar 7, 2011
Allana Potash Intersects Highest Grade Potash to Date With 44.5 % KCl Over One Metre at Shallow Depth
Tue, Mar 1, 2011
Allana Potash Closes $38 Million Financing Including Exercise in Full of the Over-Allotment Option
Tue, Feb 22, 2011
Allana Potash Corp. to Attend PDAC at Booth 2529
Mon, Feb 14, 2011
Allana Potash Intersects 38 Metres of Potash Including 37.6% KCl Over 2.8 Metres
Fri, Feb 04, 2011
Allana Potash Increases Previously Announced Bought Deal to $27,900,000
Thu, Feb 03, 2011
Allana Potash Announces Bought Deal Private Placement
Mon, Jan 24, 2011
Allana Potash Continues to Intersect Significant Potash With Hole DK-10-08 Returning 31.6 % KCI Over 2 m
Mon, Jan 10, 2011
Allana Potash Intersects Highest Grade Potash Mineralization to Date
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