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I suspect that you aren't aware of this, so I'll post it to you.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cae_1191274792
Air Force Aims for 'Full Control' of 'Any and All' Computers
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/05/air-force-mater.html
Air Force Colonel Wants to Build a Military Botnet By Kevin Poulsen 12 May 2008 ...Col. Charles W. Williamson III is proposing that the Air Force build its own zombie network, so it can launch distributed denial of service attacks on foreign enemies. In the most lunatic idea to come out of the military since the gay bomb, Williamson writes in the Armed Force Journal that the Air Force should deliberately install DDoS code on its unclassified computers, as well as civilian government machines. He even wants to rescue old machines from the junk bin to enlist in the .mil botnet army.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/05/air-force-col-w.html
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Fake "Witness" to 9/11 Government Killings Of Its Citizens
My example was a poor one.........
"If several witnesses witness a crime it is probative to look for similarities in their collective descriptions to substantiate the facts of an event, keeping in mind the contrasts of individual descriptions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witness
An example would be that if several witnesses saw a flying object that appeared to be some kind of aircraft, regardless of whether or not there were windows, and regardess of whether or not it looked like a military plane, the fact that they all described some kind of plane would indicate that there was a plane that hit the tower. Support by thousands of others would go a long way toward sealing the case.
I suspect that you aren't aware of this, so I'll post it to you.
Studies have shown that individual, separate witness testimony is often flawed and parts of it can be meaningless. This can occur because of a person's faulty observation and recollection, because of a person's bias, or because the witness is lying. If several witnesses witness a crime it is probative to look for similarities in their collective descriptions to substantiate the facts of an event, keeping in mind the contrasts of individual descriptions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witness
An example would be that when thousands of eyewitnesses in NYC said that they saw the plane hit the South Tower, chances are overwhelming that a plane hit the tower.
911 Liar's Club Welcomes Plane Witness Stanley Praimnath
wish one could see what one looks like
in the mirror..
does the same hold true for you?
I'll leave you with this. When your ban expires on the other board, you are to talk solely about 9/11 related topics if you plan on posting there at all.
too bad
might just learn something..
as for personal attacks
try looking up what that means
it does not mean making one uncomfortable
I have zero interest in discussing anything with you. I had asked you to quit with the personal attacks on the 9/11 board and to stay on topic, but you went right ahead and posted what you just did once again. I'll have you know that I went through every single post that I had deleted on the 9/11 board this past weekend and there was not even ONE No-Plane post that I had ever removed in the entire time that I was a moderator and later, as an assistant. On another note, you had deleted, I believe it was 20 of my posts. I'd have to recheck.
woofer, one understands the difficulty when it involves self evaluation
however
The crucial point to understand is
when someone reacts emotionally or dismisses out of hand any information which conflicts with their "me~information," they are not defending the validity of the ideas, but rather they are defending their self~esteem.
unfortunately woofer
most people are not aware of this debilitating psychological phenomenon ~ identification mostly occurs involuntarily and unconsciously.
The ability to detach yourself from information and look at it objectively greatly enhances both your thinking skills and your personal power.
Almost all of us were conditioned or even coerced into identifying with statist fraud~concepts.
For the most part this took place when we were children. Recall how you were forced to pledge allegiance to "the flag."
What did the teachers do if you refused?
You were conditioned to identify with things which were contrary to your nature.
The way to minimize the negative effects of identification is to practice self~observation and become more conscious of your own mental processes.
When you are in control, you choose whether or not to identify with something.
Be aware: when you give your sense of identity to something outside of you, you give away some of your personal power.
Many times it's beneficial for you to do this to one degree or another.
The key point is that any "identification" (as described here) is done voluntarily and consciously.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?Message_id=12074956&txt2
for this post on 911 revisited, it was deleted as being a disruption and i was banned by you yet again
my question to you is
a disruption from what?
easymoney, I'm not going to bother addressing all the points in your links...except three, two from your first link, and one from the second.
In the first link, Rick states, "She now has crossed another legal line by corrupting someone elses work and presenting it as theirs."
So anyone who copies 9/11 footage is now "corrupting someone elses work"? It's kind of amusing that Rick bashes someone that you hold in such high esteem, Jim Fetzer.
In the second link, Rick says "When viewing it at minute 3:22 a man in a Harley Davidson Motor Cycle hat and t-shirt, he is portrayed as an eyewitness and featured describing, at the scene for reporters, what would later become the official storyline. "I witnessed both towers collapse, one first and then the second, mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense." Here was an obvious planted disinfo witness used to reinforce the official story. Not identified as such and Sophia glides just like a Harley Davidson over it into the film.
I beg to differ. "Right from the start on the street itself, the official story was born." Furthermore, earlier on Sofia talks about the myth that was born.
At 3:05 the words quoted above:
Sofia Shafquat
http://911researchers.com/node/943
Sophia, 9/11 Mysteries Fabrications and Disinfo
http://911researchers.com/node/114
more on the left hand column
360 Post-9/11 Workers Have Died, Including 80 Of Cancer, Says State
The Environmental Impact Of 9/11
"Given the scope of the tragedy from last week, I am glad to reassure the people of New York and Washington, D.C. that their air is safe to breath and their water is safe to drink." - Christine Todd Whitman
Source: nydailynews.com
BY JORDAN LITE
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Thursday, May 8th 2008, 4:00 AM
More than 360 workers who dealt with the aftermath of the World Trade Center disaster have died, state health officials said Wednesday.
Officials have determined the cause of death of 154 of the responders and volunteers who toiled at Ground Zero, the blocks nearby and at the Fresh Kills landfill, where debris from the site was taken.
Of those, 80 died of cancer.
"It's the tip of the iceberg," said David Worby, who is representing 10,000 workers - 600 with cancer - who say they got sick after working on rescue and recovery efforts.
"These statistics bear out how toxic that site was," Worby said.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/15498
Mike Malloy to interview Sofia of 9/11 Mysteries, TONIGHT (5.9.2008) at 10pm Eastern
Mike Malloy
Listen live from 9-Midnight - Eastern:
http://www.novamradio.com/live/
http://www.novamradio.com/live/malloy_blog.php
Mike Malloy - Daily Blog - TGIF, Truthseekers!
05-09-2008 12:54 PM
Sofia Smallstorm, creator of "9/11 Mysteries" joins us our second hour tonight.
Richard Gage, AIA, and Senator Karen Johnson 5.10.2008 - 7pm Pacific
Richard Gage | Senator Karen Johnson
Radio host Jay Lawrence will interview Richard Gage, AIA, and Senator Karen Johnson, tomorrow (Saturday) on http://www.KTAR.com at 7:00PM Pacific. They will be joined by David Winkler, a former writer with the East Valley Tribune.
(Thanks, Michael.)
http://www.911blogger.com/node/15507
“In a world of conflict, a world of victims and executioners, it is the job of thinking people not
to be on the side of the executioners.”
— Albert Camus
Warren Cuccurullo with fetzer april 30 2008
full clip talks about the take over of the US and 911 psyop TV fakery
http://media.putfile.com/Warren-Cuccurullo-on-fetzer-april-30-2008
Warren Cuccurullo
is American rock and pop guitarist from brooklyn NY who has worked with Frank Zappa, been a long term member of Duran Duran, and was a founding member of Missing Persons.
.................
warren blog
http://www.myspace.com/warrencuccurullo
Feds Practice Evacuation From D.C. to Test 'Continuity of Government' --In Big National Drill, Executive Branch 'Runs' Government From Outside D.C. as Mock Crises Mount 08 May 2008 A national disaster exercise that began last week involves the evacuation of thousands of federal personnel from Washington, D.C., the Washington Post reported [Buried in the 'Metro' section, Page B08]. In National Exercise 2-08, which continues through Saturday, [Bush bin Laden's] terrorists release a poisonous gas from a tanker in Washington state while Oregon authorities must handle the unintentional escape of nerve agent from the Umatilla Chemical Depot. Meanwhile, the capital region is faced with a terrorist threat and a major hurricane making its way up the East Coast. Over three days this week, the federal government is using cars and helicopters to move large numbers of employees to temporary sites in Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia. The drill is intended to test the ability to maintain "continuity of government" in the face of a crisis. This is among the largest such drills since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, officials said. President [sic] George W. Bush was not expected to be among the evacuees, but some White House personnel would be sent out of town, said spokesman Scott Stanzel.
part of NLE 2-08
more@
http://www.legitgov.org/#breaking_news
Cheney aide subpoenaed to testify to Congress 07 May 2008 U.S. Vice President [sic] Dick Cheney's chief of staff was subpoenaed on Wednesday to testiLIE in a congressional probe of the administration's treatment and possible torture of enemy combatants. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers (D-Mich.) issued the subpoena to David Addington a day after it was authorized by a House panel.
make sure pup has cammies
interesting light this throws on bush saying he saw the first plane hit...
didn't need to see it, he knew from the start what everyone was GOING to see, attended the premier
I need a cat like that. think my dog would look good in an army helmet
now you know why the dogs bark at our heals.
this Cat doesn't like liars and shills.
down Kitty:)
g/nite sleep well..:) no need to apologize.
amy, I apologize for not looking at this stuff a long time ago. thanks for your patience... good night all
September Clues (Part 1-8) - 81 min
watching and downloading it in case I don't get to finish it.
I remember seeing this part I'm about to comment on before but it didn't sink in... can't believe what I just heard..
CBS anchor Bryant Gumbel has his own producer's wife on the phone, Mrs Theresa Renaud.
She states quite clearly that she heard the explosion from the first "incident" but DID NOT SEE WHAT CAUSED IT!!!!!!
seconds later she says another one, another plane just hit???
2 fades to black on two seperate networks at the precise moment the "plane" hits the building? lol. naw.. not buying that... this really is starting to look fake and I'm not 10 mins into this two hour video..
and I've never heard eyewitnesses before describing what they saw as either a missle or a small plane..
a full color picture of the planes approach but the plane is black in one shot.. in others it is light
ok, stopping for now.. at end of part 3, time to crash myself
diff. backgrounds on the same shot, plane at pentagon wings fold up, twin towers the wings slice thru the building, on and on..
we've been had imho... have to watch the rest and do more research but no question the videos have been faked...
and why would any one expect them not to be... we've been lied to about virtually everything for a long time
hey, planted plane parts just like they did at the pentalawn, and shamsville..
yes September clues series all of them:) quite revealing of the imaging they did. enjoy..nose out , fox etc.
yes more friendly:)
easymoney, going to have some extra time the next couple of weeks... want to do a little digging on your info...
start with september clues? one thing at time.. but I promise I will follow thru :)
what do you make of the link showing the plane wreckage at the twin towers?
tia... this place looks much friendlier... and I'm quite fond of fred's assistant ;)
great quote thanks:)
To most of us nothing is so invisible as an unpleasant truth.
Though it is held before our eyes, pushed under our noses, rammed down our throats
we know it not..
~ Eric Hoffer ~ (1902-1983)
American author, philosopher, awarded Presidential Medal of Freedom
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
DR. JUDY WOOD on behalf of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff/Relator,
vs.
Defendants.
APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC. (ARA),
SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORP.(SAIC),
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.,
WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, INC. (WJE),
ROLF JENSEN & ASSOCIATES, INC.(RJA),
COMPUTER AIDED ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, INC.,
SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & HEGER, INC. (SGH),
SKIDMORE, OWINGS & MERRILL, LLP (SOM),
GILSANZ MURRAY STEFICEK LLP (GMS),
HUGHES ASSOCIATES, INC. (HA),
ROSENWASSER/GROSSMAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS, P.C., S. K. GHOSH ASSOCIATES, INC. (GA),
TENG & ASSOCIATES, INC. (TA),
AJMAL ABBASI,
EDUARDO KAUSEL,
DAVID PARKS,
DAVID SHARP,
JOSEF VAN DYCK,
KASPAR WILLIAM,
DANIELE VENEZANO,
DATASOURCE, INC.,
GEOSTAATS, INC.,
NuSTATS,
Court documents located Here!
http://drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.html
Qui-Tam, documents, filed
March 21, 2008, Judy Wood, represented by Jerry Leaphart
Morgan Reynolds interviews Jerry Leaphart attorney and Joe Keith Aerospace engineer
http://drjudywood.co.uk/media/080320_JerryMorgan_gcn.mp3
More interviews here scroll down
http://nomoregames.net/
NIST contractor SUED Under false claims = QUI TAM
CASE UNSEALED
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
------------------------------------------------------------------------:
DR. MORGAN REYNOLDS on behalf of the :
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, :
:
Plaintiff/Relator, : FILED UNDER SEAL
:
vs. :
:
:
SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL :
CORP.; APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC.; :
BOEING; NuSTATS; COMPUTER :
AIDED ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, INC.; :
DATASOURCE, INC.; GEOSTAATS, INC.; :
GILSANZ MURRAY STEFICEK LLP; : QUI TAM COMPLAINT
HUGHES ASSOCIATES, INC.; AJMAL : and JURY DEMAND
ABBASI; EDUARDO KAUSEL; :
DAVID PARKS; DAVID SHARP; DANIELE : DOCKET NO.
VENEZANO; JOSEF VAN DYCK; KASPAR :
WILLIAM; ROLF JENSEN & ASSOCIATES, :
INC; ROSENWASSER/GROSSMAN CONSULTING : May 31, 2007
ENGINEERS, P.C.; SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & :
HEGER, INC.; S. K. GHOSH ASSOCIATES, :
INC.; SKIDMORE, OWINGS & MERRILL, :
LLP; TENG & ASSOCIATES, INC.; :
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.; :
WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, :
INC.; AMERICAN AIRLINES; SILVERSTEIN :
PROPERTIES; and UNITED AIRLINES, :
:
Defendants. :
------------------------------------------------------------------------:
Case 1:07-cv-04612-GEL Document 5 Filed 07/11/2007 Page 1 of 34
http://nomoregames.net/911/federal_case/07cv4612unsealedcomplaint.pdf
from the GAO
DefinitionsThe funds the government is entitled to recover as a result of qui tam case settlements or court judgments. These funds may or may not have been collected by the government. A DOJ official told us that while most of these funds arise from FCA allegations in the qui tam complaint, some are attributable to government initiated claims under the FCA and other statutory andcommon law claims, such as breach of contract, bribery, or conflict of interest, and that the relator is not entitled to a shareof these funds. The official also told us that precise amounts attributable to each claim may not be distinguished in the case of alump-sum settlement or judgment. Qui tam recoveriesWhen DOJ declines to intervene in the case, the relator has the right to pursue the case without the government. However, DOJ can decide to intervene in the case upon showing of good cause, and any settlements in the case are made with the consent of the government. DOJ declines to intervene in a qui tam caseIf the qui tam case is successful, the relator is entitled to a share of the recoveries. Relator share of qui tam recoveriesUnder the FCA, a relator files a qui tam case under court seal, and the case is not publicly disclosed. Until the court lifts the seal in whole or in part, no records relating to the case may be disclosed, except to DOJ. Case under sealDOJ represents the government and is a named party in every qui tam case. When DOJ decides to intervene in a case, it takes primary responsibility for prosecuting the case.DOJ intervenes in a qui tam caseA person who files a civil case for a violation of the FCA. Relators are also known as whistle blowers. RelatorQui tam is an abbreviation for a Latin phrase dating back to 13th century England, meaning a person who sues for the king as well as for himself. Under the FCA, a qui tam case is filed by aprivate person on behalf of the federal government. The government can also pursue FCA claims through federal agency investigations and referrals without a relator.Qui tamThe FCA is a civil antifraud statute, providing that any person who knowingly submits or causes the submission of false claims for government funds or property is liable for damages and penalties.False Claims Act
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d06320r.pdf
I'm still not satisfied with the way I've presented this so I'm doing it yet again. I hope I get my point across this time round.
Look at WTC-1 which has already been hit. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to WTC-1. Forget about WTC-2 which gets hit in this film.
Watch the first 17 seconds, pause it, and put it aside (don't "x" out of it). Move on the the next video. Since WTC-2 was hit at 9:02:54 AM EST (9:03) we know what WTC-1 looks like at this time.
This post needs to be updated because the first video was removed:
Look at WTC-1 which has already been hit. PAY CLOSE ATTENTION to WTC-1. Forget about WTC-2 which gets hit in this film.
Watch the first 20 seconds, pause it, and put it aside but don't "x" out of it. Move on the the next video.
Cheney took over when Rumsfeld went missing???? i don't know
Armed pilots banned 2 months before 9-11
FAA rescinded rule allowing guns in cockpits just before terror attacks
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Posted: May 16, 2002
1:00 am Eastern
By Jon Dougherty
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com
A 40-year-old Federal Aviation Administration rule that allowed commercial airline pilots to be armed was inexplicably rescinded two months before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, leading aviation security experts to lay at least some of the blame for the tragedy at the feet of airlines, none of which took advantage of the privilege while it was in effect.
The FAA adopted the armed pilot rule shortly after the Cuban missile crisis of 1961 to help prevent hijackings of American airliners. It remained in effect for four decades.
But in July 2001 ? just two months prior to the Sept. 11 attacks ? the rule was rescinded.
According to FAA officials, the rule required airlines to apply to the agency for their pilots to carry guns in cockpits and for the airlines to put pilots through an agency-approved firearms training course.
The aviation agency said, however, that throughout the life of the rule not a single U.S. air carrier took advantage of it, effectively rendering it "moot," according to one agency official.
"In the past, FAA regulations permitted pilots to carry firearms in the cockpit provided they completed an FAA-approved training program and were trained properly by the airlines," FAA spokesman Paul Takemoto told WND in a voice-mail message. "That was never put into effect because no requests for those training programs were ever made. ?"
Takemoto said the newly created Transportation Security Administration is now responsible for deciding whether pilots can be armed. The Aviation and Transportation Security Act signed into law by President Bush Nov. 19, 2001, has a provision allowing pilots to be armed, but the law does not mandate that the right be granted.
The FAA failed to return numerous follow-up phone calls requesting to know why the rule was rescinded, who was responsible for the decision, whether a particular incident spurred the decision and whether the aviation agency believes the airlines share some culpability for never taking advantage of it in the first place.
Some security experts speculate that had airlines taken advantage of the rule, it likely would not have been rescinded by the FAA. And if it had been implemented by the airlines, they say, the Sept. 11 hijackings ? which led to the deaths of nearly 3,000 people in New York, Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C. ? may never have occurred.
"It's hard to say," said Capt. Robert Lambert, a commercial airline pilot and founding board member of the Airline Pilots' Security Alliance. But in lieu of the attacks, he said he can't understand why airlines still refuse to support arming their pilots.
"We're convinced there was a myriad of reasons why the airlines refused to allow pilots to be armed" before the attacks, said Lambert. He said the airlines were likely concerned about liability issues, but "of course, they have a lot of liabilities after Sept. 11, too," he added.
"For airlines not to trust us [with a gun in the cockpit] is totally ludicrous," he said.
Other pilot advocacy groups have said arming pilots as a "last line of defense" against terrorist hijackings is a better option ? even if some innocent passengers are inadvertently harmed ? than having Air Force fighters blow entire airliners out of the sky, assuredly killing all aboard.
Nico Melendez, a spokesman for the TSA, said his agency wasn't aware of the FAA's former rule. But when asked if it could have prevented the Sept. 11 attacks, he refused to speculate, saying, "I won't go there."
Melendez also refused to say when or whether the agency would sanction arming pilots. "That will be announced in due time," he told WND.
Airlines mum
None of the airlines WND attempted to contact for this story returned inquiries asking whether they believed they shared some culpability for the Sept. 11 attacks.
Bill Mellon, a spokesman for Northwest Airlines, initially responded but, after repeatedly declining to answer pointed questions as to why his company never applied for the FAA program, referred further inquiries to an airline industry group.
"Those are industry questions," he told WorldNetDaily in an e-mail response, "not Northwest Airline questions," referring the newssite to the Air Transport Association, or ATA, the industry's primary trade group.
But the ATA, along with America West, American Airlines and United Airlines, also failed to respond to numerous requests for comment.
APSA's Lambert said the ATA, which purports to speak for the entire airline industry, has "historically been against arming pilots," a position he said was "hard to understand."
According to published statements, the ATA said it has traditionally supported "more federal air marshals" instead.
Congressional help?
Some lawmakers are working to implement new legislation that would require federal officials to "deputize" airline pilots and allow them to be armed.
The House Transportation Committee is considering H.R. 4635, called the "Arming Pilots Against Terrorism Act," which would make volunteer pilots Federal Flight Deck Officers, according to a published summary.
The bill would mandate ? not simply ask ? the "Under Secretary of Transportation for Security to ? deputize qualified volunteer pilots as federal law enforcement officers to defend the cockpits of commercial aircraft in flight against acts of criminal violence or air piracy."
The program would go into effect 90 days after it is signed into law, and would be implemented in conjunction with the federal air marshal program.
The head of the Center for the Study of Crime, Randall N. Herrst ? an attorney by trade who said his arguments have been used successfully in anti-gun control cases ? disagrees with the government's intention of placing sky marshals on each flight. He says arming pilots would be a better, more cost-effective and faster plan to implement.
"At 35,000 flights a day, even if some marshals can cover two round trips per day on short routes, we will still need 90,000 sky marshals if we want at least two on each flight," taking into account days off, vacations and sick days, he said.
He agreed that "there are no guarantees" armed pilots would have prevented the Sept. 11 hijackings. But he added: "That is the only course of action that could have stopped the attacks."
Herrst said arming pilots would amount to a military principle known as "defense in depth."
"If you have a choice," he says, "you never depend on a single line of defense ? you always have a second, third and fourth line as well."
He is also suspicious that despite Sept. 11, lawmakers, bureaucrats and the White House are still dragging their feet over arming pilots.
"The reasons must be purely political," he told WND. "[But] if there is another major round of hijackings, it will probably bankrupt the entire U.S. airline industry."
"People are so obsessed with banning guns that they are willing to sacrifice human lives and a huge portion of our economy to political correctness," he added.
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Cheney was running the war games and rummy was at the pentagon
I thought it was Cheney and his war games?
thanks barry, I'm going to keep that and go over it this weekend
see, I've read where Rumsfeld was the man in charge that day.. I could be wrong
There are two rules of engagement as there should be -
1 - the pilot needs to get a command from a higher authority to shoot down a commercial plane. I believe it's either the VP or President.
2 - the pilot can shoot down the plane if he thinks there will be harm done if not - such as flying it into a nuclear reactor or stadium full of people and there is no time to get the proper permission.
DDF-Simplifying the case against Dick Cheney- http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml
I've read where the rules of engagement for hijacked aircraft were changed months up to 9-11. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was in charge so why would the Vice Pres give an order.
Well how could he make that up? Plus other sources varified that the secret service burst into Cheney's room and wisked him down to the bunker (and it dosn't take an hour to get there).
Plus that would be the first thing they would discredit and they are mum.
was Norman telling the truth? I don't think that's been questioned in the media
yes, that is true
Do we have to water them?
SoxFan: how about two cyber shrubberies that the visitors can walk between?
ddf, add to that the fact that both bush and rice said that no one could have imagined that terrorists would've used planes as missles to hit our buildings...
dead on lie
No we can't say there was an order to stand down but we can imply there was.
We can say the 9-11 commission report eliminated this testimony from the report and stated Cheney didn't get there until 10 when that was an obvious lie. Cheney being in the bunker earlier when everything was happening is key. Key to hearing what the FAA was saying and what was being reported to NORAD. Normans testimony shows why our government is lying to us.
What do we actually know about the Mineta testimony. Can we say there was an order to stand down?
what do you mean?
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