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ratobranco

04/14/11 8:39 PM

#78797 RE: bradford86 #78796

China crash - I'll agree with you on that. Not sure about today, but it's happening.

GDP growth is necessarily a good or bad thing. It means people are making more things than they were making last year. But that doesn't mean that what they are making is needed or wanted in a sustainable way by the economy.

And btw, the overall markets look very toppy as well.

With that said, I think we might get a bounce in the space here. Selling is slowing down and shorts look like they are starting to cover.

ccsykes

04/14/11 8:47 PM

#78798 RE: bradford86 #78796

As compared to what exactly?

Wait till the negative effects of QE2 start rearing its head. Washington is already in campaign mode and nobody is really tackling the deficit issues. Major bond funds are short U.S. treasuries. The only thing propping the U.S. market up is all that free cash flowing around.

China is most certainly due for a strong pull back and consolidation, but compared to the western world, it's still going to be the better investment.

steeledge

04/15/11 1:56 AM

#78807 RE: bradford86 #78796

Glen, so how are you playing your new sentiment...what are you selling/shorting?

forzagrifo

04/15/11 4:37 AM

#78808 RE: bradford86 #78796

China Crash -- I beg to differ. Few things needs to be considered:

- housing prices are high, but structural demand is also high because of urbanization and population age distribution. The age distribution is such that the 20-35 year olds who are looking to get married and purchase a property (it is Chinese preference to own a property when a man gets married) still occupies a large % of the entire population. (although this age group will shrink in the future as population gets older)

http://www.china-profile.com/data/ani_pop_1.htm

- The Chinese generally see property as an investment vehicle that is less risky than stocks. This adds to the rigid demand mentioned in my first point.

- There is no credit bubble, not even close to resembling what happened in the US. Mortgage policy is tight. (high down payment, strict credit checks, tighter credit policy for second homes, etc)

- the Communist Party will do whatever necessary to avoid mass public discontent with housing prices. They will not risk mass of people rising up and overthrowing them.

- the 12th 5-year Plan will now de-emphasize pure GDP growth. The government is very cognizant of the fact that pure GDP growth is bringing down standard of living. The new emphasis will be placed on quality (not quantity) of productivity and improvement of standard of living through other means and measures, such as technological innovation and environmental protection. Cities and counties, rather than setting targets of "X % in GDP growth", will now set targets such as "Plant X trees this year".

I suggest everyone to peruse the 12th 5-year plan or at least the outline of it to get familiar with current Chinese policies.

IMO, housing prices will be brought to control through tight monetary and regulatory policy. You may see wide swings in isolated locations such as Sanya last year due to speculations, but a systemic "crash" of say > 30% in magnitude is unlikely.

Rames

04/15/11 6:11 AM

#78811 RE: bradford86 #78796

I have to disagree, where is all this bearishness coming from?

Some reactions on today's China data:

The Chinese economy is not slowing as planned, or desired, with GDP expanding 9.7% year-on-year in the first quarter to 9.63 trillion yuan. The strong economic performance through Q1, despite the myriad tightening measures put in place over the past six months, should give policymakers confidence to more aggressively attack inflation and its root causes. Indeed, with CPI jumping to a 32-month high, it is not hard to argue for further tightening. (Alistair Thornton and Xianfang Ren, IHS Global Insight)

Both 1Q11 GDP growth and March CPI inflation were above street consensus... Our overall assessment is that economic growth is stable and robust, but inflation pressure is elevated (though definitely not out of control). The next peak of inflation will likely be in June at 5.5%-6%. The government raised tone on inflation-fighting, but also issued warning on over-tightening. Regarding market impact, most major data were leaked in the past two days, so informed investors should expect no shocks. Overall, we think investors should remain cautious as the Chinese government itself sees many uncertainties ¦ CPI dropped 0.2% MoM in March due to seasonality. Usually it should drop more in the post-(Lunar New Year) holiday time from February to March, and that's why policymakers are a bit nervous about inflation pressures and they raised tone on inflation fighting this week. (Lu Ting, Bank of America-Merrill Lynch)

Not much of a surprise in the data, though the activity numbers are perhaps a little stronger than expected, with little evidence to date that rate hikes, a stronger currency, and higher oil prices are having much of an impact on growth. Inflation of course, is the main issue in the short term. We think price pressures will ease in the second half of the year, but there is still more upside in the next few months, and the risk is that high oil prices will keep headline inflation stronger for longer. This also suggests that policy rates still need to move higher in the months ahead, with Beijing also likely to favor further currency appreciation to help get inflation lower. (Brian Jackson, Royal Bank of Canada)

China's inflation has been running at a high level for more than a year due to the post-financial crisis expansion of money supply, the rise in agricultural prices, the gradual feed-through of wage growth, and the impact of rising global commodity prices. Chinese policy makers are using a multi-pronged approach to curb inflation, including monetary tightening, administrative measures and accelerated currency appreciation. ¦ The exchange rate has played only a secondary role in China's policy arsenal. However, last week, Premier Wen indicated that China will use all possible measures, including the yuan exchange rate, to keep prices under control. This constituted the first time the premier had publicly referenced the yuan's exchange rate as a mechanism to counter inflation. (Polly Leung, J.P. Morgan)

There was clearly a rebound in domestic demand growth in March, which was driven by the loosening of monetary and fiscal policies as reflected in stronger M2 growth. Such a rebound tends to increase inflationary pressures amid the continued strength in external demand growth and requires further tightening measures. Having said that, despite the loosening in March, the overall policy stance in 1Q2011 was still tighter than it was in 4Q2010 which led to the moderation in sequential activity growth and inflation in 1Q2011 from 4Q2010. (Yu Song and Helen Qiao, Goldman Sachs)

RyanW439

04/15/11 12:11 PM

#78873 RE: bradford86 #78796

Sooo...does that mean your not 'selling puts, buying calls, and buyimg shares' anymore? Quite a chnge from your prior posts..