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What's wrong with libertarianism

.. GR, yeah, i remember you said you didn't like to read, but anyway ..

"The perfect liberty they seek is the liberty of making slaves of other people." -- Abraham Lincoln

.. excerpt ..

The methodology isn't much different either: oppose the obvious evils of the world with a fairy tale. The communist of 1910 couldn't point to a single real-world instance of his utopia; neither can the present-day libertarian. Yet they're unshakeable in their conviction that it can and must happen.

Academic libertarians love abstract, fact-free arguments-- often, justifications for why property is an absolute right. As a random example, from one James Craig Green .. http://www.wepin.com/store/freetech/products/zp01/property.html :

[ that's you .. "Never heard of MLK going inside the confines of private property and conducting a demonstration, did you?" ]

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This concept of property originated in some of those primitive tribes when individuals claimed possessions for themselves as against the collective ownership of their groups. Based on individual initiative, labor, and innovation, some were successful at establishing a separate, private ownership role for themselves. [...]

Examples of natural property in land and water resources have already been given, but deserve more detail. An illustration of how this would be accomplished is a farm with irrigation ditches to grow crops in dry western states. To appropriate unowned natural resources, a settler used his labor to clear the land and dug ditches to carry water from a river for irrigation. Crops were planted, buildings were constructed, and the property thus created was protected by the owner from aggression or the later claims of others. This process was a legitimate creation of property.
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The first paragraph is pure fantasy, and is simply untrue as a portrait of "primitive tribes", which are generally extremely collectivist by American standards. The second sounds good precisely because it leaves out all the actual facts of American history: the settlers' land was not "unowned" but stolen from the Indians by state conquest (and much of it stolen from the Mexicans as well); the lands were granted to the settlers by government; the communities were linked to the national economy by railroads founded by government grant; the crops were adapted to local conditions by land grant colleges.

.. more .. http://www.zompist.com/libertos.html

"Never heard of MLK going inside the confines of private property and conducting a demonstration, did you?"

.. does not deal with the question i asked you ..

Do you know if MLK broke any demonstration laws?
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See also:

3Saints .. Social Darwinism
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The Libertarian Fallacy: How an Unregulated Market Would Lead to Economic Totalitarianism
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LOLOL .. only from Libertarian America
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Ron Paul Is No Friend to Progressives
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The Paranoid Style in American Politics
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