Saturday, April 27, 2013 7:53:51 PM
‘Sovereign’ President' .. Tim Turner says his ‘Republic for the united States’
is all about peaceful change. But recent events have authorities worried
By Ryan Lenz
On June 19, 2011, a police officer responding to a domestic violence call shot and killed William Foust, a prominent businessman who ran a marine outfitter with his wife in Page, Ariz. The death was unfortunate — a police call that soured as Foust tried to wrestle away the officer’s Taser during an argument. But it opened a window on Foust and the antigovernment group he helped lead in Arizona.
Foust, it turned out, was a principal of the so-called “Republic for the united States of America” (RuSA) — an Alabama-based organization that in the last year has grown in lockstep with the explosive rise of the “sovereign citizens” movement. .. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement .. In Arizona, Foust was RuSA’s “chief justice,” the man designated to serve as the state’s leading legal officer once the group, as it hopes, finally comes to power.
As part of a shadow government created by the "Republic for the united States of America,"
William Foust was designated the "chief justice" for Arizona. He was killed in June during
an altercation with a police officer who responded to a domestic disturbance call.
Conceived during a private meeting last year at a guest ranch in Spring City, Utah, RuSA may now be America’s most prominent group of sovereign citizens, people who believe they are immune from most federal laws and taxes. It certainly is the most ambitious, with preparations to build a national government-in-waiting and 50 state governments well under way. It promises freedom from taxes and other government meddling to all who sign up. And if RuSA’s views seem merely bizarre in the extreme, the Department of Homeland Security nevertheless has warned that some of its demands could be interpreted “as a justification for violence.”
Foust, apparently pumped up with fears of an evil government, certainly seems to have felt that he needed to use violence to resist the officers who responded to reports of a heated argument between him and his wife. And now, reacting to the “execution” of Foust, some members of RuSA are suggesting a response in kind, a notion that worries RuSA’s leader, who frequently denounces violence. .. more .. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74032880
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How about, James Timothy Turner, guess you know of him.
Do you know if it's true that he said he cured leukemia in five days?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=73717515
====== .. yeah, Turner, disappointed you .. seems he let himself down, too ..
‘Sovereign Citizen’ Leader Goes on Trial for Tax Fraud
Posted in Extremist Crime, Sovereign Citizens by Ryan Lenz on March 20, 2013
Federal prosecutors opened the trial of one the nation’s most prominent “sovereign citizens” leaders by portraying him as nothing more than a con man who used antigovernment ideology to peddle illegal debt- and tax-relief scams to the financially troubled.
But James Timothy Turner .. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/james-timothy-turner , delivering his own opening statement at the trial that began Monday in Montgomery, Ala., cast himself as the victim. “I discovered things that big Washington government doesn’t want you know,” he said. “They’re trying to shut me up.”
Turner faces 10 tax charges, including conspiring to defraud the federal government, attempting to pay his own taxes with a fictitious financial instrument and attempting to obstruct an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) investigation. He faces up to 164 years in prison and large financial penalties if convicted on all charges.
Based in the southeast Alabama town of Ozark, Turner, 57, heads what may be the largest and most organized group of antigovernment sovereign citizens .. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement .. in the country – the Republic for the united States of America .. http://www.splcenter.org/home/2012/spring/end-times .. (RuSA).
Much of the testimony during the first day of Turner’s trial focused on financial schemes Turner taught during seminars across the nation from 2006 to 2010. Using what he called “Freedom Documents,” Turner claimed to be able to help clients absolve themselves of mortgage, tax or credit card debt. For as little as $50 for a few minutes of his time to well over $300 for a two-day seminar, Turner purported to expose the secrets of the legal and banking systems.
In reality, he was teaching his clients how to dupe unsuspecting bankers and court officers, federal prosecutor Justin Gelfand said. Turner and others would spend Saturday mornings around a color printer making dozens of fraudulent bank bonds to sell to clients. “They’re designed to look real enough to make the government accept them,” Gelfand said. “[But] they’re, in fact, worth nothing more than Monopoly money.”
According to the federal indictment handed down last September, Turner is accused of using a fictitious financial instrument, purportedly valued at $300 million, to pay his own taxes and to have assisted others who wanted to get out of paying their taxes. Those people included Thomas Frye, a 59-year-old pharmacist from Andalusia, Ala., who is serving a prison sentence for attempting to pay a $250,000 income tax debt with bonds Turner helped him create.
Frye testified on Monday that he met Turner in the parking lot of a Walmart in Enterprise, Ala., to pick up the bogus documents. It was there that the two affixed the documents with red thumb prints next to their signatures – a tell-tale sovereign tactic.
But shortly after Frye sent the bond to the IRS, he and his wife, Kathy, were indicted for conspiring to defraud the government. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of house arrest. Frye said that when he approached Turner to find out what went wrong, Turner said he “was sorry to hear that, and told us to hang in there.”
Most of the charges Turner now faces stem from his early days as a sovereign citizen, just as he was getting turned on to the ideology. Sovereigns generally believe that they – not judges, juries or police – get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore. In recent years, sovereigns have clogged up courts with indecipherable filings, much like what Turner was teaching, and in some cases have lashed out violently .. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-citizen-kane .. against law enforcement officials, often during traffic stops.
Turner, however, went further than most sovereigns. In audio recordings gathered by undercover IRS agents that were played in court, he bragged of being better than others in peddling financial schemes and expressed his dreams of leading a nation of “the sovereign people.” In 2010, when Turner was part of a group called the Guardians for the free Republics (GFR), he sent letters to all 50 governors demanding they step down. The following year, he formed RuSA, which grew to have a presence in nearly every state, and proclaimed himself the president of a government-in-waiting that would rule the country after the U.S. government collapsed.
Despite all his bombast, prosecutors argued that Turner was nothing more than a huckster.
“It was all about the money for Mr. Turner,” Gelfand said. “All about the fraud.”
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/03/20/sovereign-citizen-leader-goes-on-trial-for-tax-fraud/
See also:
Who are sovereign citizens 60 Minutes CBS News
.. clog the courts .. waste police time .. Jerry Kane flat broke .. "don't want to have to kill anybody,
but" .. son, Joe, 'home-schooled and steeped in Sovereign Citizen ideology' killed two police officers ..
"in simplest terms believe they are above the law"
more .. http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2012/09/sovereign-citizens-a-clear-and-present-danger.aspx
[ http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83297739 ]
Sovereign Citizens Are a Sometimes Violent Fringe Group Rejecting All Government
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/30/sovereign-citizens-are-a-sometimes-violent-fringe-group-rejecting-all-government.html
IDIOTS .. The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth
Mass Shootings - By: Keith Darling-Brekhus - January 20, 2013
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=86523848
Just curious but are you a member of this group? [ in full ]
Sovereign citizen movement
The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of American litigants, law breakers, commentators, and financial scheme promoters. Self-described sovereign citizens take the position that they are answerable only to common law and are not subject to any statutes or proceedings at the federal, state or municipal levels, or that they do not recognize U.S. currency and that they are "free of any legal constraints". They especially reject most forms of taxation as illegitimate. Participants in the movement argue this concept in opposition to "federal citizens" who, they say, have unknowingly forfeited their rights by accepting some aspect of federal law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=85708984
Paranoia and violence
.. repeated in full here, just because there is a real danger of the negative aspects (yup,
there are positives for many, see below) of paranoia becoming more of a societal problem ..
July 22, 2012
Because we have such good imaginations, we can always envision things going smoothly, or even wonderfully. Therefore, we are constantly frustrated, constantly dealing with disappointment. There are a lot of good coping strategies for this problem. You can shrug; you can count your blessings; you can take setbacks as opportunities or lessons; you can laugh or blog or make art or hang out with a friend. There are also bad coping strategies, including using drugs, indulging impulsivity, and viciously blaming yourself for the setback.
Positive coping strategies generally require some ability to see yourself as just another person facing just another setback. This is difficult for some people most of the time and for everyone at least some of the time. Lao-tzu said that the sage sees people as straw dogs. Straw dogs were woven for a ceremony, treated ceremoniously during the event, and then unceremoniously discarded. I can’t help but notice that sages are people, so sages must see themselves as straw dogs, not just other people. Sages don’t get too attached to outcomes, or to themselves, so they don’t get too upset by setbacks and disappointments. You are a sage when you shrug or make a joke or get some perspective on yourself. It can be as small as the difference between saying “I am a failure” (which overstates the case) and “That didn’t go so well.”
It’s hard for some people to have perspective on themselves because, for reasons I won’t go into right now, they are overly impressed by evidence that they are the main character in this thing called life. After all, each of us is constantly hearing ourselves narrate earthly events, and each of us was present—on camera, if you will—whenever anything happened onscreen. And whenever anything happened off screen, we were the person who was being informed of the event. We feel our own feelings but only observe other people’s, so we have firsthand knowledge that we are flesh and blood but we have to infer this about others. It’s not hard to see why some people conclude that they are the main character not just of their own lives but of life itself. Such people are said to have a personality disorder.
One way of managing disappointment and frustration is to think you’re in a thriller, to assume that setbacks are obstacles put before the hero by nefarious forces. This way of managing setbacks is called paranoia. It has some serious drawbacks. It distances you from other people because, like the hero of a thriller, it’s an outlook that makes all your friends suspect. It makes you want to hole up and arm yourself either literally or with anger, and this drives other people away. It’s also exhausting and, exhausted, you stop questioning your assumptions. Paranoia also has some advantages. It focuses the mind wonderfully, making you alert and hyper-rational. It gives your situation a sense of purpose, makes the universe seem meaningful rather than random, and energizes you to set things right (because what is wrong is not just misfortune, but injustice).
When people get paranoid, they feel like you feel if you are engrossed in a really good action movie, which usually begins with a series of injustices perpetrated on the main character or innocent people. You hope for, relish, and cheer a burst of violence in the name of justice. Paranoid people differ from you in what they consider an injustice, who they think is to blame, and what steps they think are needed to rectify the situation—but the feelings are the same, even down to the point of not thinking that objects of one’s anger (movie characters for you, other people for the paranoid) are fully human. In the same way that a good thriller often ends in violence, a paranoid method of managing setbacks also often ends in an outburst of anger, or even violence.
http://michaelkarson.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/paranoia-and-violence/
See also:
Sovereign Citizens: A Clear and Present Danger
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83297402
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83297365
is all about peaceful change. But recent events have authorities worried
By Ryan Lenz
On June 19, 2011, a police officer responding to a domestic violence call shot and killed William Foust, a prominent businessman who ran a marine outfitter with his wife in Page, Ariz. The death was unfortunate — a police call that soured as Foust tried to wrestle away the officer’s Taser during an argument. But it opened a window on Foust and the antigovernment group he helped lead in Arizona.
Foust, it turned out, was a principal of the so-called “Republic for the united States of America” (RuSA) — an Alabama-based organization that in the last year has grown in lockstep with the explosive rise of the “sovereign citizens” movement. .. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement .. In Arizona, Foust was RuSA’s “chief justice,” the man designated to serve as the state’s leading legal officer once the group, as it hopes, finally comes to power.
As part of a shadow government created by the "Republic for the united States of America,"
William Foust was designated the "chief justice" for Arizona. He was killed in June during
an altercation with a police officer who responded to a domestic disturbance call.
Conceived during a private meeting last year at a guest ranch in Spring City, Utah, RuSA may now be America’s most prominent group of sovereign citizens, people who believe they are immune from most federal laws and taxes. It certainly is the most ambitious, with preparations to build a national government-in-waiting and 50 state governments well under way. It promises freedom from taxes and other government meddling to all who sign up. And if RuSA’s views seem merely bizarre in the extreme, the Department of Homeland Security nevertheless has warned that some of its demands could be interpreted “as a justification for violence.”
Foust, apparently pumped up with fears of an evil government, certainly seems to have felt that he needed to use violence to resist the officers who responded to reports of a heated argument between him and his wife. And now, reacting to the “execution” of Foust, some members of RuSA are suggesting a response in kind, a notion that worries RuSA’s leader, who frequently denounces violence. .. more .. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=74032880
======
How about, James Timothy Turner, guess you know of him.
Do you know if it's true that he said he cured leukemia in five days?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=73717515
====== .. yeah, Turner, disappointed you .. seems he let himself down, too ..
‘Sovereign Citizen’ Leader Goes on Trial for Tax Fraud
Posted in Extremist Crime, Sovereign Citizens by Ryan Lenz on March 20, 2013
Federal prosecutors opened the trial of one the nation’s most prominent “sovereign citizens” leaders by portraying him as nothing more than a con man who used antigovernment ideology to peddle illegal debt- and tax-relief scams to the financially troubled.
But James Timothy Turner .. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/profiles/james-timothy-turner , delivering his own opening statement at the trial that began Monday in Montgomery, Ala., cast himself as the victim. “I discovered things that big Washington government doesn’t want you know,” he said. “They’re trying to shut me up.”
Turner faces 10 tax charges, including conspiring to defraud the federal government, attempting to pay his own taxes with a fictitious financial instrument and attempting to obstruct an Internal Revenue Service (IRS) investigation. He faces up to 164 years in prison and large financial penalties if convicted on all charges.
Based in the southeast Alabama town of Ozark, Turner, 57, heads what may be the largest and most organized group of antigovernment sovereign citizens .. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement .. in the country – the Republic for the united States of America .. http://www.splcenter.org/home/2012/spring/end-times .. (RuSA).
Much of the testimony during the first day of Turner’s trial focused on financial schemes Turner taught during seminars across the nation from 2006 to 2010. Using what he called “Freedom Documents,” Turner claimed to be able to help clients absolve themselves of mortgage, tax or credit card debt. For as little as $50 for a few minutes of his time to well over $300 for a two-day seminar, Turner purported to expose the secrets of the legal and banking systems.
In reality, he was teaching his clients how to dupe unsuspecting bankers and court officers, federal prosecutor Justin Gelfand said. Turner and others would spend Saturday mornings around a color printer making dozens of fraudulent bank bonds to sell to clients. “They’re designed to look real enough to make the government accept them,” Gelfand said. “[But] they’re, in fact, worth nothing more than Monopoly money.”
According to the federal indictment handed down last September, Turner is accused of using a fictitious financial instrument, purportedly valued at $300 million, to pay his own taxes and to have assisted others who wanted to get out of paying their taxes. Those people included Thomas Frye, a 59-year-old pharmacist from Andalusia, Ala., who is serving a prison sentence for attempting to pay a $250,000 income tax debt with bonds Turner helped him create.
Frye testified on Monday that he met Turner in the parking lot of a Walmart in Enterprise, Ala., to pick up the bogus documents. It was there that the two affixed the documents with red thumb prints next to their signatures – a tell-tale sovereign tactic.
But shortly after Frye sent the bond to the IRS, he and his wife, Kathy, were indicted for conspiring to defraud the government. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of house arrest. Frye said that when he approached Turner to find out what went wrong, Turner said he “was sorry to hear that, and told us to hang in there.”
Most of the charges Turner now faces stem from his early days as a sovereign citizen, just as he was getting turned on to the ideology. Sovereigns generally believe that they – not judges, juries or police – get to decide which laws to obey and which to ignore. In recent years, sovereigns have clogged up courts with indecipherable filings, much like what Turner was teaching, and in some cases have lashed out violently .. http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-citizen-kane .. against law enforcement officials, often during traffic stops.
Turner, however, went further than most sovereigns. In audio recordings gathered by undercover IRS agents that were played in court, he bragged of being better than others in peddling financial schemes and expressed his dreams of leading a nation of “the sovereign people.” In 2010, when Turner was part of a group called the Guardians for the free Republics (GFR), he sent letters to all 50 governors demanding they step down. The following year, he formed RuSA, which grew to have a presence in nearly every state, and proclaimed himself the president of a government-in-waiting that would rule the country after the U.S. government collapsed.
Despite all his bombast, prosecutors argued that Turner was nothing more than a huckster.
“It was all about the money for Mr. Turner,” Gelfand said. “All about the fraud.”
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/03/20/sovereign-citizen-leader-goes-on-trial-for-tax-fraud/
See also:
Who are sovereign citizens 60 Minutes CBS News
.. clog the courts .. waste police time .. Jerry Kane flat broke .. "don't want to have to kill anybody,
but" .. son, Joe, 'home-schooled and steeped in Sovereign Citizen ideology' killed two police officers ..
"in simplest terms believe they are above the law"
more .. http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/articles/2012/09/sovereign-citizens-a-clear-and-present-danger.aspx
[ http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83297739 ]
Sovereign Citizens Are a Sometimes Violent Fringe Group Rejecting All Government
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/30/sovereign-citizens-are-a-sometimes-violent-fringe-group-rejecting-all-government.html
IDIOTS .. The idea that recent mass shooters are mostly registered Democrats is a myth
Mass Shootings - By: Keith Darling-Brekhus - January 20, 2013
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=86523848
Just curious but are you a member of this group? [ in full ]
Sovereign citizen movement
The sovereign citizen movement is a loose grouping of American litigants, law breakers, commentators, and financial scheme promoters. Self-described sovereign citizens take the position that they are answerable only to common law and are not subject to any statutes or proceedings at the federal, state or municipal levels, or that they do not recognize U.S. currency and that they are "free of any legal constraints". They especially reject most forms of taxation as illegitimate. Participants in the movement argue this concept in opposition to "federal citizens" who, they say, have unknowingly forfeited their rights by accepting some aspect of federal law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=85708984
Paranoia and violence
.. repeated in full here, just because there is a real danger of the negative aspects (yup,
there are positives for many, see below) of paranoia becoming more of a societal problem ..
July 22, 2012
Because we have such good imaginations, we can always envision things going smoothly, or even wonderfully. Therefore, we are constantly frustrated, constantly dealing with disappointment. There are a lot of good coping strategies for this problem. You can shrug; you can count your blessings; you can take setbacks as opportunities or lessons; you can laugh or blog or make art or hang out with a friend. There are also bad coping strategies, including using drugs, indulging impulsivity, and viciously blaming yourself for the setback.
Positive coping strategies generally require some ability to see yourself as just another person facing just another setback. This is difficult for some people most of the time and for everyone at least some of the time. Lao-tzu said that the sage sees people as straw dogs. Straw dogs were woven for a ceremony, treated ceremoniously during the event, and then unceremoniously discarded. I can’t help but notice that sages are people, so sages must see themselves as straw dogs, not just other people. Sages don’t get too attached to outcomes, or to themselves, so they don’t get too upset by setbacks and disappointments. You are a sage when you shrug or make a joke or get some perspective on yourself. It can be as small as the difference between saying “I am a failure” (which overstates the case) and “That didn’t go so well.”
It’s hard for some people to have perspective on themselves because, for reasons I won’t go into right now, they are overly impressed by evidence that they are the main character in this thing called life. After all, each of us is constantly hearing ourselves narrate earthly events, and each of us was present—on camera, if you will—whenever anything happened onscreen. And whenever anything happened off screen, we were the person who was being informed of the event. We feel our own feelings but only observe other people’s, so we have firsthand knowledge that we are flesh and blood but we have to infer this about others. It’s not hard to see why some people conclude that they are the main character not just of their own lives but of life itself. Such people are said to have a personality disorder.
One way of managing disappointment and frustration is to think you’re in a thriller, to assume that setbacks are obstacles put before the hero by nefarious forces. This way of managing setbacks is called paranoia. It has some serious drawbacks. It distances you from other people because, like the hero of a thriller, it’s an outlook that makes all your friends suspect. It makes you want to hole up and arm yourself either literally or with anger, and this drives other people away. It’s also exhausting and, exhausted, you stop questioning your assumptions. Paranoia also has some advantages. It focuses the mind wonderfully, making you alert and hyper-rational. It gives your situation a sense of purpose, makes the universe seem meaningful rather than random, and energizes you to set things right (because what is wrong is not just misfortune, but injustice).
When people get paranoid, they feel like you feel if you are engrossed in a really good action movie, which usually begins with a series of injustices perpetrated on the main character or innocent people. You hope for, relish, and cheer a burst of violence in the name of justice. Paranoid people differ from you in what they consider an injustice, who they think is to blame, and what steps they think are needed to rectify the situation—but the feelings are the same, even down to the point of not thinking that objects of one’s anger (movie characters for you, other people for the paranoid) are fully human. In the same way that a good thriller often ends in violence, a paranoid method of managing setbacks also often ends in an outburst of anger, or even violence.
http://michaelkarson.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/paranoia-and-violence/
See also:
Sovereign Citizens: A Clear and Present Danger
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83297402
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=83297365
It was Plato who said, “He, O men, is the wisest, who like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing”
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