Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:04:13 AM
Government Should Kill Gays Says Pastor
says Pastor Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Kansas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWtSmw5d0ko
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"Government Should Kill Gays" Pastor Defends Comments
Pastor Curtis Knapp in Kansas
http://onkneesforjesus.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve5B-LX8sM0
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Child Sings Ain't No Homo Gonna Make It To Heaven In Church
The congregation of the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle in Greensburg, Indiana responded to a child singing "ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven" by jumping to their feet, hooting and clapping their hands.
In today's society there is no way this type of behavior to be acceptable, brainwashing a little boy to preach HATE? Why America?
"The Bible's right, somebody's wrong.
The Bible's right, somebody's wrong.
Romans one, twenty six and twenty seven;
Ain't no homos gonna make it to Heaven."
I feel sorry for? this child. He doesn't have a clue. The Parents and most of this congregation who applauded, including the sick preacher should be so ashamed. A church that preaches hatred of any kind needs to be shut down.
If you want to tell the church your thoughts below is there contact information.
The Church's Contact Page:
http://www.apostolictruthtabernacle.net/contact_us
The Church's Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apostolic-Truth-Tabernacle-of-Greensburg-IN/71415879940
Ain't No Homo Gonna Make It To Heaven In Church - Go Apostolic Truth Tabernacle you must be very proud of this moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2agsAZcA3fU
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Anti-Gay Hate Speech Compilation (May 2012)
Compilation of Christian anti-gay hate speech from just the month of May, 2012.
http://onkneesforjesus.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrhQ74FuIqM
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Kansas pastor: Government should kill gays
05/29/2012
http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/05/kansas-pastor-government-should-kill-gays.html [with comments]
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Kansas Pastor Says the Government Should Kill Gays: AUDIO
05/29/2012
http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/knapp.html [with comments]
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Kansas Pastor Wants Government To Kill All The Gays, Angry It Won’t
May 31, 2012
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/kansas-pastor-wants-government-to-kill-all-the-gays-angry-it-wont/politics/2012/05/31/40307 [with comments]
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Church Videos With Harsh Words For Gays Go Viral Online
May 31, 2012
http://www.wibw.com/home/nationalnews/headlines/Church_Videos_With_Harsh_Words_For_Gays_Go_Viral_Online__156006745.html
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The Monday Sermon: What if Your Church-Going Community Wants You To ...Die?
June 3, 2012
http://thedevilanddanvojir.blogspot.com/2012/06/monday-sermon-what-if-your-church-going.html [no comments yet]
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3 Charged in Bullying Before a Youth’s Suicide, Officials Say
May 30, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/nyregion/charges-for-bullying-new-jersey-teenager-who-killed-himself.html
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Steve Smith, White Supremacist, Elected To Republican Party Committee In Pennsylvania County
By Gene Demby
Posted: 06/01/2012 1:36 pm Updated: 06/01/2012 3:30 pm
Steve Smith, a white nationalist with a violent past, was elected to the Republican Party committee for a county in northeastern Pennsylvania.
Smith, who is listed as the state chairman of the white nationalist group American Third Position [ http://a3p.me/?p=2916 ], proudly shared a photo of the certificate commemorating his election on the website, White World News [ http://www.whitenewsnow.com/a3p-american-third-position-party/31671-i-won-election-republican-partys-county-committee.html#post138550 ].
Several commenters on the site congratulated him.
CONGRATULATIONS, SIR! This may seem like just a small step now, but this is how we are taking our nation back and it's how we will secure a future for our people. Everyone needs to look to Steve's example. He's a true patriot!
The Southern Poverty Law Center said that Smith was a member of the Aryan Nations and a skinhead group known as Keystone United. In 2003, Smith and two other skinheads were arrested [ http://www.adl.org/learn/news/Keystone_Skinheads.asp ] for shouting slurs and throwing a brick at a black man from Scranton, PA. He pleaded guilty to making terrorist threats and ethnic intimidation and received a 60-day sentence.
In 2010, Smith attended a school board in Wilkes-Barre and objected to a call [ http://www.timesleader.com/stories/W-B-Area-settles-claim-for-33K,103714 ] to hire more minority teachers, saying that the proposal was anti-white. "Diversity is not a strength," Smith said.
He also had a letter to the editor published [ http://www.timesleader.com/opinion/letters/133763853.html ] in the local newspaper last November in which he defended the racial profiling of blacks. "Whites need to stop walking on eggshells when it comes to the issue of race and crime," he wrote. "We need to stand up and speak out against what is happening to our once-safe communities."
Copyright © 2012 TheHuffingtonPost.com, Inc.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/white-nationalist-elected-to-gop_n_1563020.html [with comments]
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Murder of an American Nazi
Watch the Segment
Lesley Stahl reports on the murder of a neo-Nazi leader by his 10-year-old son.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7410540n
June 3, 2012 7:03 PM
(CBS News) When Jeff Hall, a rising star in the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, was murdered last year by his own 10-year-old son, it seemed easy to blame the boy's exposure to violent rhetoric and guns. But, as correspondent Lesley Stahl reports, the truth is far more complicated. "60 Minutes" investigates the case and the growing strength of hate groups nationwide.
The following script is from "The Murder of an American Nazi" which originally aired on Sept. 25, 2011 and was rebroadcast on June 6, 2012. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
It was just over one year ago that the leader of a neo-Nazi group was murdered in Riverside, California. His name was Jeff Hall. He was a burly man, six-foot-three, a devoted father of five young children and a plumber who had been unemployed for three years. Jeff Hall was shot at near-zero range in his own living room. But, as we first reported in September, what was truly astonishing was who shot him.
[Jeff Hall at home: We've been through a lot together, some of us, you know. Seriously.]
This is 32-year-old Jeff Hall. These pictures were taken just hours before he was executed - right in this room. The executioner - this child: his son. His 10-year-old son. But if you find this image disturbing, consider this one: taken two weeks earlier.
A neo-Nazi rally on the streets of Trenton, New Jersey.
[Hall at rally: Who's streets?
Crowd: Our streets!
Hall: Who's streets?
Crowd: Our streets!
Hall: Who's streets?
Crowd: Our streets! Zeig Heil!
Hall delivering speech: We are not afraid of you!]
Jeff Hall was a rising star in the largest neo-Nazi group in the country, the National Socialist Movement, or NSM.
[Crowd at rally: Zeig Heil!]
The numbers nationwide are still small - 500 members tops, but they're growing.
[Hall: This isn't dress up, this isn't a game. We are fighting for our children's future.]
According to Jeff Hall and the NSM that future would be an all-white, non-Semitic America.
[Hall: There's other groups I could join. There's tons of them.]
Jeff Hall joined only three years ago - but seen as personable and charismatic, he quickly became the leader of NSM in California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada.
[Hall: Zeig Heil! Zeig Heil! Zeig Heil!]
This footage was shot by Julie Platner, a filmmaker and photographer, who was able to gain the NSM's trust.
[Nazi: How ya doin' Miss Julie?]
And enter their closed world of private meetings.
[Hall: Julie has me mic'ed]
She quickly honed in on Jeff Hall.
[Hall: Jeff, nice to meet you.]
Jeff Hall cultivated a sense of family among his new recruits. Holding his monthly meetings at his house, with the kids around, including his son Joseph.
These gatherings were a strange mix of Nazi propaganda.
[Hall: That's how we apply what we learn from "Mein Kampf."]
And party games. A birthday celebration topped off by -
[Recruits: Happy birthday! Zeig Heil!]
Jeff's mother Joann Patterson went to some of her son's meetings, despite abhorring her son's politics.
Joann Patterson: I wanted to make sure it was okay for my grandkids to be there. And I had a great time. It looked like any barbecue in any backyard in America. The food was great.
Lesley Stahl: But they were Nazis. We're just sitting here talking about Nazis.
Patterson: I know, it's crazy.
Stahl: They're in your own family.
Patterson: I know, it's crazy, huh?
Stahl: "My son became a Nazi."
Patterson: Yeah. A Nazi leader!
On Saturday, April 30, her son, Jeff held what would be his last get-together. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary, to the extent this is ordinary.
[Joseph Hall: I'm going outside...]
10-year-old Joseph was running in and out of the house. All the kids were. Dad even took some of them to see his Nazi glow in the dark t-shirt - with its SS insignia.
[Hall: Ok, come here - close the door
Kid: Wow!
Hall: It's the little things in life!]
This is the last recorded image of Jeff Hall alive. After people left that night, the family watched a movie, "Yogi Bear," as Jeff slept on the couch. The others went upstairs to bed. Then, at 4:02 a.m.
[911 Operator: 911 Emergency
Krista Hall: My son shot my husband, I need an ambulance, he's bleeding!
Operator: How old is your son?
Krista: 10
Operator: How old is your son??
Krista: 10! God!]
Stahl: You were the first detective at the scene after the murder, is that correct?
Greg Rowe: That's correct.
Detective Greg Rowe saw Jeff Hall dead on the couch. He says little Joseph, who was found hiding upstairs under his covers, described calmly how he had gotten the family's Rossi 357 Magnum from his dad's closet.
Rowe: Went downstairs and shot his dad. He described how he used his forefingers to cock the gun. And used two fingers to pull the trigger and he pointed it at his ear.
Stahl: This was not a case of a kid thinking it was a toy and letting it go off by accident?
Rowe: There's no evidence this was anything but intentional.
Prosecutor Michael Soccio.
Soccio: When he was taken into juvenile hall, he's so little, they didn't have shoes to fit him. So they had to go out and buy him a little pair of tennis shoes. And he asked if he'd be able to keep the shoes when he left. Which showed an absolute lack of understanding of what was going to be happening.
The Department of Justice reports only nine cases of a 10-year-old killing a parent since 1980. But then, how many American kids are raised by a Nazi?
Stahl: When you heard that the victim was the head of the local Nazi organization, did you just think to yourself that that had something to do with it?
Soccio: When I first heard it I thought: there's got to be some connection with Nazi views, with guns, with weapons, with violence.
Stahl: Hate speech.
Soccio: Hate speech, sure.
That was just about everyone's assumption. So we set out to discover why Jeff Hall became a Nazi three years ago.
Patterson: I think the biggest factor that contributed was the economy. When the housing market just fell apart in California, he had no work. He hadn't worked for three years.
Stahl: He was in construction?
Patterson: He was in construction.
Stahl: And that side of the economy, down here, just completely dried up?
Patterson: Completely dried up. And he tried and tried and tried to get work. It's just scary. Poverty is a really scary thing.
Jeff lived in the Inland Empire, a vast stretch of California desert, east of L.A. It was among the worst hit when the real estate market crashed, ranking fifth in foreclosures nationwide. Entire communities became ghost towns. Unemployment reached 15 percent. Jeff was poor and angry, with time on his hands, when he came upon Jeff Schoep, commander of the National Socialist Movement.
[Schoep at New Jersey rally: You have illegal aliens coming over the border, streaming over in hoards, taking American jobs.]
Neo-Nazis focus their tirades lately on immigrants and the so-called "browning of America" where places like California no longer have a white majority.
Schoep: We're a white civil rights organization.
Stahl: What does that mean?
Schoep: Basically, what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do for black people we do for white people.
Well, not exactly. I read to commander Jeff Schoep this, from the NSM's website:
Stahl: "All non-whites should leave this nation peacefully or by force."
Schoep: Our ideal America would be an America that's all white. That doesn't mean--
Stahl: Yeah. And everybody else has to leave, "peacefully or by force." Wow.
Schoep: Our goal is a white homeland.
Stahl: I mean, the president's not white; our attorney general's not white. So they should leave? What about Jews?
Schoep: They're also a race of people.
Stahl: So they should leave?
Schoep: Correct.
He knows that won't happen anytime soon, but he's preparing. Ten white supremacists of various groups were on the ballot in 2010, including three for Congress. One candidate seeking local office was Jeff Hall.
Schoep at New Jersey rally: Jeff Hall ran for election in California and took in almost 30 percent of the vote as an open National Socialist.
[Hall: It was a good run, it was a great run!]
Beside that unsuccessful run for local water board, Jeff organized patrols at the Mexican border, just a short drive from his home. They would show up fully armed, with night-vision equipment, and round up migrants as they crossed into the U.S. Two weeks before his death, Jeff bragged about taking his young son with him on patrol.
[Hall: My son was able to operate a Gen-1 night vision and the infrared scope. At the age of 9, my son's out at the border.]
So was being exposed to all that hate and talk of violence the reason Joseph murdered his dad?
[Hall: You got to get your Glocks cocked and get ready to rock and roll at the border.]
The more we looked, the more we realized it wasn't that cut and dry.
Megan Hall: There might have been some things that we didn't know about Jeff, that we didn't-- we wouldn't have liked.
Megan Hall, Jeff's sister, says she hated her brother's politics, but had always seen him as a model father.
Megan: He was an amazing father and would do anything for his kids. And you know, my nephew would just look at him like he was his hero.
But in the last couple of years the hero changed; darkened. Whether it was the power of being a Nazi leader, or the powerlessness of being unemployed, he drank more she says, and was prone to striking out at his son, and his wife Krista.
Megan: My brother had shown a different side to him. Not all of the time. It was on random occasions, not predictable.
Stahl: He was beating up both Joe and Krista is what we heard. Is that what you've been told?
Megan: Yuh.
Young Joseph told police that he decided to kill his dad to quote "end the son versus father thing."
Stahl: Did he describe what the abuse entailed?
Rowe: He described his father hitting him, kicking him, pushing him.
Soccio: He found himself in a situation or believed he was in a situation that required some type of desperate act. What's unusual about Joseph Hall is that his solution to it was to kill. Most children don't think about, "What I'll need to do here is kill my father."
As the police began to dig, they discovered that little Joseph was a volatile and violent child, who had been kicked out of several schools for attacking students and staff, once nearly choking a teacher with a phone-cord.
Patterson: My grandson was who he was from the time he was born.
Stahl: What do you mean?
Patterson: He has absolutely no understanding of cause and effect.
Stahl: It is so rare that a 10-year-old would kill a father.
Patterson: Uh huh. Well, but you know, I wasn't surprised by it. I just somehow felt it could always happen. But I thought it would be when he's older.
Stahl: Would this have happened if Jeff had not become a Nazi?
Patterson: I think so. Probably later. Joe was still Joe and they weren't having a lot of luck figuring out exactly what his problems were. Or how to deal successfully with them.
Little Joseph also had a history of starting fires.
Stahl: Does he raise the question of whether a killer can be preprogrammed?
Soccio: I think he had everything physically in place that it didn't take much to bring him along to thinking that murder's appropriate.
Stahl: So he was born the match, and that environment and that home lit the match. Is that a fair way to say it?
Soccio: I think it's a very fair way to say it.
Jeff's mother got custody of his four little girls, because his wife pled guilty to leaving a loaded gun in the house. And every week Patterson visits her son's young killer in juvenile hall.
Patterson: It's a struggle every day of my life. Because my son was murdered and I want justice for him.
Stahl: Yeah.
Patterson: But only at the ex-- that only happens at the expense of my grandson.
Stahl: What about politics with these children? Do you feel any obligation to teach them about Nazis?
Patterson: They're being raised conservative Republican. We need more of those in California.
Stahl: But what about Nazism?
Patterson: It's gone, for this family.
Joseph awaits trial, incarcerated at the county's juvenile hall, where he celebrated his 11th birthday. Whatever his sentence, he will likely be released by the age of 25.
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Extra: Neo-Nazi killed by 10-year-old son
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382322n
Extra: Breeding hatred in the U.S.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382320n
Extra: Middle class joining hate groups?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382318n
Extra: Inside America's neo-Nazi movement
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7410562n
60 Minutes Overtime
Inside America's neo-Nazi movement
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20111163-10391709/inside-americas-neo-nazi-movement/
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© 2012 CBS Interactive Inc.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57438610/murder-of-an-american-nazi/ [with comments]
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A tribute to the great Christopher Hitchens (R..I.P 1949 - 2011)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_R68EGbGx4
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Christopher Hitchens Epic Last Words R.I.P 1949 - 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpqGxeUGeZs
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Waiting for Armageddon
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Religulous (2008)
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The Day After (TV 1983)
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Published on May 30, 2012 by OnKneesforJesus4
says Pastor Curtis Knapp of New Hope Baptist Church in Kansas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWtSmw5d0ko
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"Government Should Kill Gays" Pastor Defends Comments
Published on Jun 1, 2012 by OnKneesforJesus4
Pastor Curtis Knapp in Kansas
http://onkneesforjesus.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve5B-LX8sM0
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Child Sings Ain't No Homo Gonna Make It To Heaven In Church
Published on May 30, 2012 by YWTNews
The congregation of the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle in Greensburg, Indiana responded to a child singing "ain't no homo gonna make it to heaven" by jumping to their feet, hooting and clapping their hands.
In today's society there is no way this type of behavior to be acceptable, brainwashing a little boy to preach HATE? Why America?
"The Bible's right, somebody's wrong.
The Bible's right, somebody's wrong.
Romans one, twenty six and twenty seven;
Ain't no homos gonna make it to Heaven."
I feel sorry for? this child. He doesn't have a clue. The Parents and most of this congregation who applauded, including the sick preacher should be so ashamed. A church that preaches hatred of any kind needs to be shut down.
If you want to tell the church your thoughts below is there contact information.
The Church's Contact Page:
http://www.apostolictruthtabernacle.net/contact_us
The Church's Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Apostolic-Truth-Tabernacle-of-Greensburg-IN/71415879940
Ain't No Homo Gonna Make It To Heaven In Church - Go Apostolic Truth Tabernacle you must be very proud of this moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2agsAZcA3fU
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Anti-Gay Hate Speech Compilation (May 2012)
Published on Jun 4, 2012 by OnKneesforJesus4
Compilation of Christian anti-gay hate speech from just the month of May, 2012.
http://onkneesforjesus.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrhQ74FuIqM
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Kansas pastor: Government should kill gays
05/29/2012
http://www.goodasyou.org/good_as_you/2012/05/kansas-pastor-government-should-kill-gays.html [with comments]
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Kansas Pastor Says the Government Should Kill Gays: AUDIO
05/29/2012
http://www.towleroad.com/2012/05/knapp.html [with comments]
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Kansas Pastor Wants Government To Kill All The Gays, Angry It Won’t
May 31, 2012
http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/kansas-pastor-wants-government-to-kill-all-the-gays-angry-it-wont/politics/2012/05/31/40307 [with comments]
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Church Videos With Harsh Words For Gays Go Viral Online
May 31, 2012
http://www.wibw.com/home/nationalnews/headlines/Church_Videos_With_Harsh_Words_For_Gays_Go_Viral_Online__156006745.html
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The Monday Sermon: What if Your Church-Going Community Wants You To ...Die?
June 3, 2012
http://thedevilanddanvojir.blogspot.com/2012/06/monday-sermon-what-if-your-church-going.html [no comments yet]
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3 Charged in Bullying Before a Youth’s Suicide, Officials Say
May 30, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/31/nyregion/charges-for-bullying-new-jersey-teenager-who-killed-himself.html
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Steve Smith, White Supremacist, Elected To Republican Party Committee In Pennsylvania County
By Gene Demby
Posted: 06/01/2012 1:36 pm Updated: 06/01/2012 3:30 pm
Steve Smith, a white nationalist with a violent past, was elected to the Republican Party committee for a county in northeastern Pennsylvania.
Smith, who is listed as the state chairman of the white nationalist group American Third Position [ http://a3p.me/?p=2916 ], proudly shared a photo of the certificate commemorating his election on the website, White World News [ http://www.whitenewsnow.com/a3p-american-third-position-party/31671-i-won-election-republican-partys-county-committee.html#post138550 ].
Several commenters on the site congratulated him.
CONGRATULATIONS, SIR! This may seem like just a small step now, but this is how we are taking our nation back and it's how we will secure a future for our people. Everyone needs to look to Steve's example. He's a true patriot!
The Southern Poverty Law Center said that Smith was a member of the Aryan Nations and a skinhead group known as Keystone United. In 2003, Smith and two other skinheads were arrested [ http://www.adl.org/learn/news/Keystone_Skinheads.asp ] for shouting slurs and throwing a brick at a black man from Scranton, PA. He pleaded guilty to making terrorist threats and ethnic intimidation and received a 60-day sentence.
In 2010, Smith attended a school board in Wilkes-Barre and objected to a call [ http://www.timesleader.com/stories/W-B-Area-settles-claim-for-33K,103714 ] to hire more minority teachers, saying that the proposal was anti-white. "Diversity is not a strength," Smith said.
He also had a letter to the editor published [ http://www.timesleader.com/opinion/letters/133763853.html ] in the local newspaper last November in which he defended the racial profiling of blacks. "Whites need to stop walking on eggshells when it comes to the issue of race and crime," he wrote. "We need to stand up and speak out against what is happening to our once-safe communities."
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Murder of an American Nazi
Watch the Segment
Lesley Stahl reports on the murder of a neo-Nazi leader by his 10-year-old son.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7410540n
June 3, 2012 7:03 PM
(CBS News) When Jeff Hall, a rising star in the neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, was murdered last year by his own 10-year-old son, it seemed easy to blame the boy's exposure to violent rhetoric and guns. But, as correspondent Lesley Stahl reports, the truth is far more complicated. "60 Minutes" investigates the case and the growing strength of hate groups nationwide.
The following script is from "The Murder of an American Nazi" which originally aired on Sept. 25, 2011 and was rebroadcast on June 6, 2012. Lesley Stahl is the correspondent. Shachar Bar-On, producer.
It was just over one year ago that the leader of a neo-Nazi group was murdered in Riverside, California. His name was Jeff Hall. He was a burly man, six-foot-three, a devoted father of five young children and a plumber who had been unemployed for three years. Jeff Hall was shot at near-zero range in his own living room. But, as we first reported in September, what was truly astonishing was who shot him.
[Jeff Hall at home: We've been through a lot together, some of us, you know. Seriously.]
This is 32-year-old Jeff Hall. These pictures were taken just hours before he was executed - right in this room. The executioner - this child: his son. His 10-year-old son. But if you find this image disturbing, consider this one: taken two weeks earlier.
A neo-Nazi rally on the streets of Trenton, New Jersey.
[Hall at rally: Who's streets?
Crowd: Our streets!
Hall: Who's streets?
Crowd: Our streets!
Hall: Who's streets?
Crowd: Our streets! Zeig Heil!
Hall delivering speech: We are not afraid of you!]
Jeff Hall was a rising star in the largest neo-Nazi group in the country, the National Socialist Movement, or NSM.
[Crowd at rally: Zeig Heil!]
The numbers nationwide are still small - 500 members tops, but they're growing.
[Hall: This isn't dress up, this isn't a game. We are fighting for our children's future.]
According to Jeff Hall and the NSM that future would be an all-white, non-Semitic America.
[Hall: There's other groups I could join. There's tons of them.]
Jeff Hall joined only three years ago - but seen as personable and charismatic, he quickly became the leader of NSM in California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada.
[Hall: Zeig Heil! Zeig Heil! Zeig Heil!]
This footage was shot by Julie Platner, a filmmaker and photographer, who was able to gain the NSM's trust.
[Nazi: How ya doin' Miss Julie?]
And enter their closed world of private meetings.
[Hall: Julie has me mic'ed]
She quickly honed in on Jeff Hall.
[Hall: Jeff, nice to meet you.]
Jeff Hall cultivated a sense of family among his new recruits. Holding his monthly meetings at his house, with the kids around, including his son Joseph.
These gatherings were a strange mix of Nazi propaganda.
[Hall: That's how we apply what we learn from "Mein Kampf."]
And party games. A birthday celebration topped off by -
[Recruits: Happy birthday! Zeig Heil!]
Jeff's mother Joann Patterson went to some of her son's meetings, despite abhorring her son's politics.
Joann Patterson: I wanted to make sure it was okay for my grandkids to be there. And I had a great time. It looked like any barbecue in any backyard in America. The food was great.
Lesley Stahl: But they were Nazis. We're just sitting here talking about Nazis.
Patterson: I know, it's crazy.
Stahl: They're in your own family.
Patterson: I know, it's crazy, huh?
Stahl: "My son became a Nazi."
Patterson: Yeah. A Nazi leader!
On Saturday, April 30, her son, Jeff held what would be his last get-together. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary, to the extent this is ordinary.
[Joseph Hall: I'm going outside...]
10-year-old Joseph was running in and out of the house. All the kids were. Dad even took some of them to see his Nazi glow in the dark t-shirt - with its SS insignia.
[Hall: Ok, come here - close the door
Kid: Wow!
Hall: It's the little things in life!]
This is the last recorded image of Jeff Hall alive. After people left that night, the family watched a movie, "Yogi Bear," as Jeff slept on the couch. The others went upstairs to bed. Then, at 4:02 a.m.
[911 Operator: 911 Emergency
Krista Hall: My son shot my husband, I need an ambulance, he's bleeding!
Operator: How old is your son?
Krista: 10
Operator: How old is your son??
Krista: 10! God!]
Stahl: You were the first detective at the scene after the murder, is that correct?
Greg Rowe: That's correct.
Detective Greg Rowe saw Jeff Hall dead on the couch. He says little Joseph, who was found hiding upstairs under his covers, described calmly how he had gotten the family's Rossi 357 Magnum from his dad's closet.
Rowe: Went downstairs and shot his dad. He described how he used his forefingers to cock the gun. And used two fingers to pull the trigger and he pointed it at his ear.
Stahl: This was not a case of a kid thinking it was a toy and letting it go off by accident?
Rowe: There's no evidence this was anything but intentional.
Prosecutor Michael Soccio.
Soccio: When he was taken into juvenile hall, he's so little, they didn't have shoes to fit him. So they had to go out and buy him a little pair of tennis shoes. And he asked if he'd be able to keep the shoes when he left. Which showed an absolute lack of understanding of what was going to be happening.
The Department of Justice reports only nine cases of a 10-year-old killing a parent since 1980. But then, how many American kids are raised by a Nazi?
Stahl: When you heard that the victim was the head of the local Nazi organization, did you just think to yourself that that had something to do with it?
Soccio: When I first heard it I thought: there's got to be some connection with Nazi views, with guns, with weapons, with violence.
Stahl: Hate speech.
Soccio: Hate speech, sure.
That was just about everyone's assumption. So we set out to discover why Jeff Hall became a Nazi three years ago.
Patterson: I think the biggest factor that contributed was the economy. When the housing market just fell apart in California, he had no work. He hadn't worked for three years.
Stahl: He was in construction?
Patterson: He was in construction.
Stahl: And that side of the economy, down here, just completely dried up?
Patterson: Completely dried up. And he tried and tried and tried to get work. It's just scary. Poverty is a really scary thing.
Jeff lived in the Inland Empire, a vast stretch of California desert, east of L.A. It was among the worst hit when the real estate market crashed, ranking fifth in foreclosures nationwide. Entire communities became ghost towns. Unemployment reached 15 percent. Jeff was poor and angry, with time on his hands, when he came upon Jeff Schoep, commander of the National Socialist Movement.
[Schoep at New Jersey rally: You have illegal aliens coming over the border, streaming over in hoards, taking American jobs.]
Neo-Nazis focus their tirades lately on immigrants and the so-called "browning of America" where places like California no longer have a white majority.
Schoep: We're a white civil rights organization.
Stahl: What does that mean?
Schoep: Basically, what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do for black people we do for white people.
Well, not exactly. I read to commander Jeff Schoep this, from the NSM's website:
Stahl: "All non-whites should leave this nation peacefully or by force."
Schoep: Our ideal America would be an America that's all white. That doesn't mean--
Stahl: Yeah. And everybody else has to leave, "peacefully or by force." Wow.
Schoep: Our goal is a white homeland.
Stahl: I mean, the president's not white; our attorney general's not white. So they should leave? What about Jews?
Schoep: They're also a race of people.
Stahl: So they should leave?
Schoep: Correct.
He knows that won't happen anytime soon, but he's preparing. Ten white supremacists of various groups were on the ballot in 2010, including three for Congress. One candidate seeking local office was Jeff Hall.
Schoep at New Jersey rally: Jeff Hall ran for election in California and took in almost 30 percent of the vote as an open National Socialist.
[Hall: It was a good run, it was a great run!]
Beside that unsuccessful run for local water board, Jeff organized patrols at the Mexican border, just a short drive from his home. They would show up fully armed, with night-vision equipment, and round up migrants as they crossed into the U.S. Two weeks before his death, Jeff bragged about taking his young son with him on patrol.
[Hall: My son was able to operate a Gen-1 night vision and the infrared scope. At the age of 9, my son's out at the border.]
So was being exposed to all that hate and talk of violence the reason Joseph murdered his dad?
[Hall: You got to get your Glocks cocked and get ready to rock and roll at the border.]
The more we looked, the more we realized it wasn't that cut and dry.
Megan Hall: There might have been some things that we didn't know about Jeff, that we didn't-- we wouldn't have liked.
Megan Hall, Jeff's sister, says she hated her brother's politics, but had always seen him as a model father.
Megan: He was an amazing father and would do anything for his kids. And you know, my nephew would just look at him like he was his hero.
But in the last couple of years the hero changed; darkened. Whether it was the power of being a Nazi leader, or the powerlessness of being unemployed, he drank more she says, and was prone to striking out at his son, and his wife Krista.
Megan: My brother had shown a different side to him. Not all of the time. It was on random occasions, not predictable.
Stahl: He was beating up both Joe and Krista is what we heard. Is that what you've been told?
Megan: Yuh.
Young Joseph told police that he decided to kill his dad to quote "end the son versus father thing."
Stahl: Did he describe what the abuse entailed?
Rowe: He described his father hitting him, kicking him, pushing him.
Soccio: He found himself in a situation or believed he was in a situation that required some type of desperate act. What's unusual about Joseph Hall is that his solution to it was to kill. Most children don't think about, "What I'll need to do here is kill my father."
As the police began to dig, they discovered that little Joseph was a volatile and violent child, who had been kicked out of several schools for attacking students and staff, once nearly choking a teacher with a phone-cord.
Patterson: My grandson was who he was from the time he was born.
Stahl: What do you mean?
Patterson: He has absolutely no understanding of cause and effect.
Stahl: It is so rare that a 10-year-old would kill a father.
Patterson: Uh huh. Well, but you know, I wasn't surprised by it. I just somehow felt it could always happen. But I thought it would be when he's older.
Stahl: Would this have happened if Jeff had not become a Nazi?
Patterson: I think so. Probably later. Joe was still Joe and they weren't having a lot of luck figuring out exactly what his problems were. Or how to deal successfully with them.
Little Joseph also had a history of starting fires.
Stahl: Does he raise the question of whether a killer can be preprogrammed?
Soccio: I think he had everything physically in place that it didn't take much to bring him along to thinking that murder's appropriate.
Stahl: So he was born the match, and that environment and that home lit the match. Is that a fair way to say it?
Soccio: I think it's a very fair way to say it.
Jeff's mother got custody of his four little girls, because his wife pled guilty to leaving a loaded gun in the house. And every week Patterson visits her son's young killer in juvenile hall.
Patterson: It's a struggle every day of my life. Because my son was murdered and I want justice for him.
Stahl: Yeah.
Patterson: But only at the ex-- that only happens at the expense of my grandson.
Stahl: What about politics with these children? Do you feel any obligation to teach them about Nazis?
Patterson: They're being raised conservative Republican. We need more of those in California.
Stahl: But what about Nazism?
Patterson: It's gone, for this family.
Joseph awaits trial, incarcerated at the county's juvenile hall, where he celebrated his 11th birthday. Whatever his sentence, he will likely be released by the age of 25.
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Extra: Neo-Nazi killed by 10-year-old son
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382322n
Extra: Breeding hatred in the U.S.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382320n
Extra: Middle class joining hate groups?
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7382318n
Extra: Inside America's neo-Nazi movement
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7410562n
60 Minutes Overtime
Inside America's neo-Nazi movement
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20111163-10391709/inside-americas-neo-nazi-movement/
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57438610/murder-of-an-american-nazi/ [with comments]
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