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Re: Ike Latif post# 686

Saturday, 11/03/2001 9:17:42 AM

Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:17:42 AM

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<<"Yes, for the 30th straight day Osama bin
Laden, a mass murderer, has cloaked himself in a human
blanket of Afghan civilians. Unfortunately, this has led to
some civilian deaths." Or "Yes, for the fourth straight
week Osama bin Laden, the man who sends other Muslims to
their death but never risks his own life, is now sending
Afghans to die for him.">>

Ike puts it this way..

Osama is a symptom a curse that is born every few decades, all psychopaths are alike they have same common traits of ‘tyrannical and repressive attitudes’ irrespective of their nationalities Saddam, Osama and Hitler.



<Not a single Arab-Muslim leader has yet answered bin
Laden's taped message, which was heard all over the world.
Our Arab-Muslim allies have to give their people a vision
of why they are with us - not just secretly let us use
their bases while their newspapers fuel anti-American rage.>

Your experts know a LOT but let me highlight further few points and undercurrents of all of this geopolitical behind the door juggling. THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN on November 2, 2001 is little economical with facts, we as nation in majority are defying what could have been a great Saudi Al Qissim based ulema conspiracy of Wahabi Islam not to act AND create a greater front from Maghreb to Brunei. One man destroyed it single headedly that was…. In my opinion and I will repeat what a French general told me he saved the world from clash of civilisations, the reason Kuwaitis, Saudi and others are not talking is that it is them that are under implosion, the population will remove the rulers if these fundamentalists nest are hurt. The best bet for the west would be to encourage Turkey, Pakistan and even Iran to form a new role, along with this Iraqi regime should be toppled and replaced by a secular regime of opposition, revival of CENTO is must to control the region.
THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN forgets to highlight the maturity and chivalrous conduct of our President Musharraf who in no less term has done against all odds and expectations created the greatest schism in the Islamic world by going along with US. A poor, wretched Pakistan was of no use to these Arabs; Prince Saud Al Faisal has visited Pakistan twice in last few days for thanks and gratitude.

I know that the internal dissent in Saudi could not be exploited within House of Saud as the largest and strongest nation within Islamic world decided to side with US so openly. The Sudieris seven and Price Abdullah are on two different courses, the Sudieris are supportive of US mass annihilation of terrorists, Abdullah sceptical as he aligns himself with the religious elements of the Saudi and as head of national guard the biggest stumbling block against the volatile aspiration of most explosive region of Saudi is the guard against any uprising against the rule of Sudieris seven. However, if he sees an opportunity to install his family to the top and side step his half brother forcing Fahd to abdicate the chances are that we can even see a more fundamentalist Saudi with Abdullah as king and his son Mitab Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz as Crown Price.

President Musharraf has not only steered the whole nation towards moderation and that is in itself is no small feat for my nation known to be the next and future ‘nation in waiting’ for implosion. By demanding the head of Omar before Osama, he has quietened the radical element within Saudi, although they do not have much of a regard for poor Pakistan but a Islamic Pakistan as a US ally has added no significance to the stability of the pro-west Sudieris and I would not be surprised if Sudieris further cultivate this relationship with moderate Pakistan until Fahd is alive as King to undercut the influence of the radical element within Saudi. The stability factor has far reaching implications; an Osama whole battle to light up the Islamic world with this throwing of tinder has failed, like a rat he is counting his days. The credit for this goes to Bush and his team I will tell you candidly, they dealt with this threat in the most intelligent manner, I doubt anyone else could have pulled it better, my hats of to the team.

. Friedman should know that and should have made that exception; brave man should be praised openly. I have my doubts on stability of many of other Islamic nations where open dissent is not allowed, in my nation where dissent and political disagreements or war of sectarianism or ethnic rivalries are not crashed with tanks has shown the Islamic world a new path, hopefully one day people will appreciate it once Kabul and Mazar-e-Shariff falls in few days.


On Rushdie….do you remember.. I do remember..

I was under attack for some misunderstanding of one of my ealrier post.. I reproducing my partial reply to that gentleman...

<Yes I remember it well. But these Islam nations will defend the terrorist to the death in a Holy War but want to kill an author.

.>

We know Rushdie family in Karachi; we had even eaten with his Uncle and Aunt at DeKhan’s, so don’t tell me that we as individual were bystanders we were not, we are in the hornets nest and fighting a war that will one day take our life but we are happy to give it, this self righteous streak and activity to take humanity to medievalist milieus needs to be stopped, I am proud to be in the fore front of that. I opposed the author condemnation in the Islamic world under an article 'The children of the lesser God.' Published in nearly six newspapers.

Voltaire’s books were burned and woman were burn as witches and until 1945, 6 million innocent people were sent to burn to death, all nations have a learning curve, Germans given a chance came out as biggest allies, US could have made them their biggest enemy. The treaty of Versailles that charged them with reparations brought the 2nd World war, the Marshall plan brought the prosperity and stoppage of hundreds of years of war, what I want is that once this hidden enemy is exposed and dealt with we should not leave poverty pockets that may bring these kind of devastation on mankind. My sisters are married to a Jew and a Christian and my nephews are US citizens, for me the future of these kids need not to be darkened by creation of new enemies. I am a truly global citizen and have several times openly written that US model is the model that is the true hope for mankind. I even don't short the market for that sake. As a small thinker I think that unresolved issues need to solve, my nephews should not be a cannon fodder in war of civilization, majority of US would agree with me on that. I do my best to denounce the terrorists in media that belongs to that region and do it under my name. Therefore equally hated by these very same characters. Hated by you and them because I stand for something. I condemn them and ridicule them 100's of SI posts are witness of all that, you without knowing me are attacking me with kid of merciless accusations, the things that I have fought against all my life will not be accepted by me. ( excerpts from a previous post on a different thread)

<Whenever U.S. officials speak about
Saddam they should always say: "Saddam Hussein, the man who
has killed more Muslims in the 20th century than any other
human being . . ." (He's killed a million Iranians, Iraqi
Kurds and Kuwaitis.) Or they should point out that Saddam
and bin Laden are "the world's two biggest hijackers - they
have each hijacked a country and are holding its civilians
hostage, and we're trying to liberate them.">




In my opinion Pakistan is the pivot, we have got them on our side that was most important. The nest of terror lies in Afghanistan, the Northern Province of Pakistan that produces ‘Mullahs the Sunni brand the worst of the kind,’ and ‘Hamas the natural collaborators in the Gaza,’ Syria blow hot blow cold attitude is un-condonable get ALL these crooks they represent the cocktail along with Iraqi regime, Powel did a mistake to let Saddam live after US was at Qaddisiyah ready to flush out Saddam within a day. We cannot any more afford that, lock them up or clean them, I am fed up of seeing children and innocent man dying, no stopping now, liberals and human life lovers may get out of the way. It will to hard to handle. It is and should be an open war. The martyrs of WTC is calling us, clean this mess up, it is our duty otherwise blood of every single martyr of WTC will haunt us until we live for future, -uck the markets at the moment. Get these guys. Now that US has resolve, we have directions to clean them. It is Afghanistan, North of Pakistan, Gaza get in, West Bank, Iraq, Syria and Libya. This is the array of forces we are confronted with, in order of importance all stand to be flushed out, the eastern province of Dharan, the out skirts of Bahrain. And Iran needs to behave properly and allow its reformist to govern after 20 years they have realized that revolution has failed. My friend was with Musharraf on Bateux Mouche when he was last in Paris, over drinks Musharraf asked him what I should do to break the impasse, my friend said go ahead and recognize Israel, we have no problems with Israel, we should go ahead after this terror campaign finishes to recognize the state, everyone else like Arafat the good guy and bad will falling place, but it s a very difficult task we need help, we need commitment from US that we will not be used like a toilet paper and thrown away like last time in Afghanistan against USSR. Our issue of Kashmir is dead and we need to make bridges with our neighbors India. It is a long wish list but that all has to be done, I feel so bad that if these guys would have kept the outposts and maintain the external strength to have the external defense of the great US, we need it, until Romans defended Rome to the extent of Danube what they called external defense they never crumpled once the were isolated the whole thing had fallen, the Praetorian Guards were out for selling to the highest bidders, we lost it big time on external outposts, the liberals who did that should look and see the price US paid. .



Iqbal Latif

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