Thanks for the response here 236T568. I'm aware of the convertible debt, and understand what that means. As I mentioned, I'm relatively new to trading in general, only 8 months, but I hope/think I now have a pretty clear idea of what goes on with all these OTC tickers. So annoyed by the shadyness. This DD board in particular has helped a lot to see through the facade, which I admit, caught me too at first. Its fascinating how easy it is to get caught up in the story, which I suppose is quite important for the scams to exist. They have to be good to draw people in. I was just curious about Cellucci specifically, maybe psychologically? and what his motives may be given his, what *appears* to be, legit reputation.