Sammy I felt I needed to respond to a post, which was ridiculously false and upsetting to me. Oakie1 quote "your allegations regarding Jim are flimsy. All I heard was some occasional exuberance protected under safe harbor at the annuals" This being a public message board, I merely voiced my rebuttle to a post. If I am the poster that patc is referring to as "reflects poorly on the poster" so be it. We all have obviously moved on a long time ago from the Ford FTV etc. DINO