Hey DD, does the "suicide" ruling suggest foresters believe the tunnel in it didn't contribute substantially to it's death as apparently the other, and the traffic through it, did to Yosemite's Wawona Tunnel Tree .. http://gizmodo.com/after-more-than-100-years-californias-iconic-tunnel-tr-1790964594 ? Or was the suicide tongue-in-cheek? Just interested whether or not my feeling of disgust re the tunnels is very, or not so much, unfair. Anyway, it's sad to see the old tree go. This video prompted by your mention around or in one of F6's (thanks for the post, F6) link list. Avenue of the Giants - Humboldt Redwoods State Par [yt]kjUTiDaOHCk[/yt] Thanks.