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Re: moxa1 post# 328622

Wednesday, 09/28/2016 8:40:45 AM

Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:40:45 AM

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Iraq was accepted by Congress, agreed to as a threat (supporter of terrorism) acknowledged by the prior administration, was an effort to head off oil price volatility, and was then proposed as trying to create democracy. After sectarian war was defeated thru the Awakening, it was left to fend for itself as a fledgling government. Because it isn't Western Europe, Korea or japan, it wasn't deemed sexy by Obama, and it was left to its own devise.
Don't keep on stating that somehow it triggered Islam to hate us, that is bullsh and a copp out.

Oddly, the Balkans after their war haven't faired as well as our western Europe allies. But Germany and Japan have been managed quite well thanks to our 70 plus years of occupation. I am sure in that time that the Germans and the Japanese both wanted us gone, especially in the 70's as I recall thru the 90's. But we stayed.

So you are using the same tired mass media driven subjective critique of Iraq as the libs did to crucify Bush. We know differently today.

Obama's administration is to blame for all you stated, and just his administration and all the covert foundations that undermined MENA and the Balkans, and also Venezuela and Ukraine.

As for dealing with the Saudis, they avoid "Islamic direction" for petrodollars favored, so your point is moot. petrodollars and the power of Exxon types rule the oil world. Islam takes a backseat and realistically so, as they would be nomads and nothing else were it not for oil.

As for "dealing with anyone", wow are you really that ignorant?
We don't deal with many nations on the levels you assume. Corporations won't throw good money after bad. The TPP and trade laws are derived from the objection of just getting suckered by "trading with anyone" and yet it abuses the very same laws.

TPP is bogus. Investment is measured by security, and only by security of honored deals and safety of that investment.

You are anti-war... ok. I get you with the drum circle, long hair, guitar and surfer agenda. Nothing wrong with being anti-war. Just that even our economic expansion was begot from WW II. Economic expansion came about via Norsemen raiding turned into investment. Economic stability came thru empire, not just Marco Polo finding a route.

But whatever, you espouse waiting for the borders to be attacked. Not a big deal.

I just find your utopian ideas irrelevant and unrealistic for today's world, while you sell us on accepting Muslim expansion.

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