Friday, August 12, 2016 10:21:49 PM
Benghazi Attack Timeline: Facts & Myths
.. to wrap a final Benghazi tragedy present for the worst wingnuts who continue to give solace to Trump .. apologies to the board
for a feeling there is much redundancy in it, guess i'm stuck doing it for a summary of all the bs and for a relative one-stop link
to give to the most tedious of anti-Hillary Trump minions in future .. and it is another good one for historical purposes .. :)
June 16, 2016 Fact and Myth Benghazi
Claim: The Benghazi incident represents a once-in-a-generation tragedy in which a consulate was overrun and help, which was in large supply, was intentionally withheld (including a stand down order). This refusal of help goes all the way up the chain of command.
Fact: The Benghazi incident is a tragedy but is one of countless attacks on US diplomatic structures. What little help was available (which was slightly delayed for the sake of ensuring they weren’t walking into an ambush) was sent within 30 minutes of the attack. Eight separate investigations have been conducted, most of them merely confirming what the previous investigations concluded: that a lack of preparation is largely to blame, but there was no foul play nor refusal to send help. Existing allegations range from demonstrably false internet rumors (that air support was available) to the usual logical fallacies (like the hindsight bias of assuming that the State Department should have known the Benghazi attack was imminent, even though there were threats of attacks on multiple locations). The Benghazi saga appears to be at heart, a political movement.
[Kevin McCarthy Admits Benghazi Committee Formed to Beat Hillary Clinton]
About Benghazi
On September 11th, 2012, an American diplomatic mission in Benghazi (Libya) was attacked by over 150 armed gunmen .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack . As a result, four Americans were killed and several others injured. With a presidential election only 2 months away, this became the basis for political attacks, spawning names like “Benghazi Gate” and rumors that included alleged stand down orders that prevented reinforcements from intervening; some even stating that Obama and few others watched live feeds of the attack unfolding. Both of these were based on unconfirmed hearsay, yet was repeated across right-leaning news sources as fact, leaving many on the right to claim that the “MSM” (news sources that generally avoid broadcasting unverified rumors as fact) was assisting in a cover up. Since these events occurred, several independent investigations have clarified the events that took place that night. While these reports do conclude that the State Department could have been far more proactive in beefing up the thin and questionable security at the Benghazi embassy, the various conspiracy rumors have been answered and quelled. Nevertheless, the idea that the Benghazi event is the source of a grand cover up persists along predictable partisan lines in part due to the continuing publication of arguments that have long been addressed in the various Benghazi investigations .. http://benghazicommittee.com/benghazi-by-the-numbers/ .
1. Republicans leaked altered versions of actual quotes .. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wh-benghazi-emails-have-different-quotes-than-earlier-reported/ , leaving many to believe that the White House was covering up the facts
2. Fox News editorialized an unverified and anonymous statement that stand down orders were given (this was proven to be false, once it was known that CIA operatives arrived on the scene in less than 30 minutes .. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/new-detailed-account-of-benghazi-attack-notes-cias-quick-response/ .
3. As recently as November 2013, CBS interviewed a now-discredited “eye witness” (Dylan Davies–who so happened to be in process of publishing a book on the incident) .. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-asks-lara-logan-to-take-leave-after-flawed-benghazi-report/ .. whose claims contradicted those he gave the FBI prior to this interview (he subsequently admitted he was lying) .. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/03/cbs-eyewitness-admits-he-lied-about-benghazi-at/196725
4. The closest thing to a “stand down” order was an order to await more intelligence before allowing Paronto and his team to depart .. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/216787-key-dem-stand-down-order-in-benghazi-doesnt-match-congressional .. (this is largely the basis for the 13 Hours movie, whose narrative is at odds .. http://time.com/4178593/benghazi-movie-13-hours-accuracy-fact-check/ .. with the findings of the various Benghazi investigations.
Benghazi Myths
“The Benghazi attack represents a rare occurrence and/or precedent in attacks on US embassies.”
While this incident should not be downplayed by any means, it is not the first of its kind. Over the last 20 years there have been many such attacks .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions , some with even worse outcomes than the Benghazi incident. Why has Benghazi been so publicized while others (11 of which happened under George W Bush .. http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-132602-US-diplomatic-missions-attacked-at--least-44-times-in-52-years ) have gained very little attention? Probably because this one was 2 months before a presidential election (one in which many members of the opposition party had no qualm with publicizing rumors and misquotes). Again, the events that happened on 9/11/12 should be downplayed, but at the same time they should not be treated as a one-in-a-lifetime anomaly. Attacks like these have been more frequent than most people seem to realize.
Journalist Tom Ricks lays out this context when interviewed by Fox News.
“A stand down order prevented help from arriving.”
This claim (made by an anonymous source and publicized by Fox News) has been debunked since the early reports from the CIA (which arrived on the scene within 30 minutes). It also been debunked by the various independent reports.
* Report: Marine commander says no stand-down order in Benghazi attack
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/07/31/Report-Marine-commander-says-no-stand-down-order-in-Benghazi-attack/UPI-95121375252200/
* House Committee Report Is Latest To Refute Key Element Of Benghazi Hoax: No Stand Down Order Given
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/11/house-committee-report-is-latest-to-refute-key/198009
* Lawmakers: No ‘stand down’ order given in Benghazi attack
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/27/lawmakers-no-stand-down-order-given-benghazi/
“Nothing was done to suppress the attack in Benghazi (and available assets were not deployed).”
This has been disproved by the fact that assets were deployed. A CIA rescue team was on the scene within half an hour of being contacted .. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cias-benghazi-timeline-reveals-errors-but-no-evidence-of-conspiracy/2012/11/01/a84c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html . According to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Report (PDF) .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/ssci-benghazi-report.pdf , Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta ordered two Marine Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams (or “FAST platoons”) to deploy from their base in Rota, Spain, to Libya, as well as two teams of special operations forces to Benghazi. But these forces arrived too late, as Americans had already been evacuated by previously deployed the CIA teams.
There are also a number of claims that certain assets (mostly warplanes) were not sent in. But most of these were out of range and/or not combat-ready. According to the House Armed Services Committee Report (PDF): http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/hasc-benghazi-report.pdf
The claim that AC-130’s were available during the Benghazi attack likely stems from the fact that such planes were available in Libya 18 months prior. It has been verified however, that these planes were not available on September 11, 2012.
The Department of Defense had no armed drones or manned aircraft prepared for combat readily available and nearby on September 11. Secretary Panetta told the Senate in February 2013 that armed Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), AC-130 ground attack gunships, or other similar planes “were not in the vicinity.” Mr. Reid echoed this to the House Armed Services Committee in May 2013 when he declared “[g]iven the time and distance factors involved, dispatching an armed aircraft to Benghazi was not an option available to us at the time.”
As the result of a specific request from the committee, DOD accounted for the location of each of its AC-130 aircraft in the military’s inventory. DOD reported to the committee that no AC-130s were in the region in the days before the Benghazi attack, including for maintenance, crew rest, or merely transiting through the area. However, DOD also reported to the committee that some of these planes were deployed to “southern Europe” on September 14, in order “to support operations in North Africa.”
Similarly, the U.S. Air Force F-16 fighters stationed at Aviano, Italy at the time were configured for training flights.74 None were on combat alert.75 Furthermore, unlike typical preparations during the Cold War, NATO allies also had no planes on war-fighting status. This meant other nations could not offer combat aircraft to respond on behalf of the United States.
There is a misconception that AC-130’s were available within Libya during the Benghazi attack. While it’s difficult to pin down the original sources of this claim (for example, a Breitbart article makes certain claims based on what “reports say,” without mentioning the name or source of the report(s). The assumption that AC-130’s were available likely stems from the fact that these aircraft did play a role in Libya under Operation Odyssey Dawn in March of 2011, and the originators of this claim are merely assuming that the AC-130’s were still in Libya 18 months after Operation Odyssey Dawn.
Ambassador Thomas Pickering, Chair of the Benghazi Accountability Review Board (who also investigated the Benghazi incidents (see the ARB’s report (PDF) .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/arb-benghazi-report.pdf ), answers questions regarding the availability of US assets at the time.
Related to this is a misconception that Obama himself was not in communication. But Leon Panetta’s testimony states that he was in contact with Obama soon after being informed of the attacks. Obama instructed Panetta to attack with “all available DOD assets .. http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/07/us/panetta-benghazi-hearing/ .” Whatever one thinks of the response time of US forces, Americans were evacuated from the embassy and, along with the CIA Chief of Station, flown to safety.Another common mischaracterization of this event goes something like “Four Americans are dead and nobody did anything about it.” The belief here is that 4 Americans were simply left for dead, while no one helped. But in fact, two of those four Americans (Glen Doherty and Tyrone S. Woods .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Doherty#Fatalities_and_injuries ) were part of the security team who mounted a rescue and led an evacuation of compound.
“The Obama administration purposely blamed the attacks on insulting videos in order to avoid admitting this was a terrorist attack.”
In the aftermath of these attacks, there appears to have been some confusion/disagreement over whether this was a planned terrorist attack, or a sporadic response to a video that many Muslims found insulting .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dqHt6gsoxU . [embedded here]
Many on the right have criticized the Obama administration for labeling these attacks as a response to the video, as opposed to a planned terrorist attack (thereby not having to deal with the political fallout of a terrorist attack on his watch, 2 months before an election).
While it is entirely possible that the Administration was purposely going with the politically expedient explanation of a sporadic reaction to a video, there is ample evidence that the Intelligence Community itself was confused over which of these were correct. The SSCI and HASC reports appear to arrive at slightly different conclusions in regards to how well informed politicians should have been regarding the lack of protests. The SSCI report focuses on the Intelligence Community’s own fumbling of facts and misinterpretations (implying that the confusion among politicians at the time was understandable), whereas the HASC focuses specifically on General Ham’s own immediate belief that these attacks were planned and not a reaction to the YouTube video (implying the opposite–that politicians should have known better).
From the SSCI Report .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/ssci-benghazi-report.pdf
FINDING #9: In finished reports after September 11, 2012, intelligence analysts inaccurately referred to the presence of a protest at the Mission facility before the attack based on open source information and limited intelligence, but without sufficient intelligence or eyewitness statements to corroborate that assertion. The IC took too long to correct these erroneous reports, which caused confusion and influenced the public statements of policymakers.
The report also states…
In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, the IC received numerous reports, both classified and unclassified, which provided contradictory accounts that there were demonstrations at the Temporary Mission Facility. In some cases, these intelligence reports-which were disseminated widely in the Intelligence Community–contained references to press reports on protests that were simply copied into intelligence products. Other reporting indicated there were no protests.
As a result of evidence from closed circuit videos and other reports, the IC changed its assessment about a protest in classified intelligence reports on September 24, 2012, to state there were no demonstrations or protests at the Temporary Mission Facility prior to the attacks. This slow change in the official assessment affected the public statements of government officials, who continued to state i_n press interviews that there were protests outside the Mission compound.
From the HASC Report .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/hasc-benghazi-report.pdf
General Ham and others also reported to the committee that they readily believed the events in Benghazi to be an attack, not a protest against a YouTube video that had spun out of control. “It became pretty apparent to me, and I think to most at Africa Command pretty shortly after this attack began, that this was an attack,” General Ham said, although he also suggested that in his meeting with Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey there was some “peripheral” consideration about the underlying cause. “[I]initially it was somewhat uncertain to me,” he said. “But as the events unfolded,” and he learned from those on the ground about the enemy use of “rocket-propelled grenade[s]” and “pretty well aimed small arms fire” he said “it started to become pretty clear that this was certainly a terrorist attack and not just—not something sporadic.” He said he conveyed this assessment to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey.
U.S. Marine Colonel George H. Bristol, who was the commander of Joint Special Operations Task Force – Trans Sahara in September 2012 and thus in communication with U.S. military personnel at the U.S. embassy in Tripoli, also briefed the committee. When he was asked, “did anyone in the military or anyone surrounding this event ever call [the events in Benghazi] anything but an attack?” he replied, “[n]ot that I remember.” To the specific question, in “any of the informal discussion[s] that you were a part of or had the ability to hear about, did anyone call this a demonstration that got out of control?” he answered “No.”
It is also worth noting that violent protests to the video were erupting throughout the Muslim world at this time .. http://theweek.com/article/index/233439/the-worldwide-protests-against-anti-islam-film-innocence-of-muslims-by-the-numbers , further adding to potential confusion.
“The State Department was negligent in addressing security concerns” and Hindsight Bias
In retrospect it appears pretty obvious that more could have been done to address the thin security at the Benghazi embassy. However, the assumption that the State Department should have known that an attack would happen specifically in Benghazi is an example of hindsight bias .. http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/i-knew-it-all-along-didnt-i-understanding-hindsight-bias.html . Banghazi was only one of nearly 300 areas of concern. In the six months leading to September 11th, 2001, there were 281 threats to diplomats, embassies, diplomatic facilities, consulates, etc worldwide .. http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=1748 .
The SSCI report lists a number of a warnings in regards to a build up in Libya (including Benghazi) and does implicate the State Department as not being more proactive (though it adds caveats):
Despite the clearly deteriorating security situation in Benghazi and requests for additional security resources, few significant improvements were made by the State Department to the security posture of the Temporary Mission Facility. Although the Mission facility met the minimum personnel requirements ~or Diplomatic Security agents as accepted by the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli at the time of the August 15 EAC meeting (specifically, the three Diplomatic Security agents were assigned to guard the Mission compound), the Committee found no evidence that significant actions were taken by the State Department between August 15, 2012, and September 11, 2012, to increase security at the Mission facility in response to the concerns raised in that meeting.
According to the report of the ARB, “there appeared to be very real confusion over who, ultimately, was responsible and empowered to make decisions based on both policy and security concerns” at the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, and the Mission facility in Benghazi.
Additionally, the uncertain future of the Mission facility, due to its one-year expiration in December 2012, contributed to a lack of continuity for security staff and constrained decision-makers in Washington regarding the allocation of security enhancements to that facility.
Furthermore, the ARB report .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/arb-benghazi-report.pdf .. pointed out that certain security upgrades were implemented (even if they were insufficient in retrospect).
It is incumbent upon the Board, however, to acknowledge that several upgrades and repairs took place over 2012. DS provided additional funding for the Local Guard Force (LGF), February 17, and residential security upgrades, including heightening the outer perimeter wall, safety grills on safe area egress windows that helped save the life of ARSO 1 on the night of September 11, concrete jersey barriers, manual drop-arm vehicle barriers, a steel gate for the Villa C safe area, some locally manufactured steel doors, sandbag fortifications, security cameras, some additional security lighting, guard booths, and an Internal Defense Notification System.
“Hillary Clinton said “What difference does it make?””
This misquote had become an internet meme in itself. To anyone watching the Banghazi hearings the (actual) quote “What difference at this point does it make?” was rather benign, given that Clinton was addressing the wider and more important issue of the dead Americans. Nevertheless, this misquote has been passed around as if Hillary Clinton was asking “What difference does [the Banghazi incident] make?” and this is clearly not the case.
With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how the…
You can watch a larger version of the exchange here:
As unfortunate as his incident was, the “Benghazi scandal” appears to be one of the latest of many attacks on American diplomatic outposts. The conspiracy/cover-up claims have been debunked, though stronger security measures would have been a help. What the proponents of the idea that this was some intentionally negligent or outright ignored problem have yet to explain the upside to “allowing” this attack to take place. Predictably, this has obviously been a losing scenario for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. The idea that they would intentionally allow this to happen makes little sense.
Curious Motives
The argument that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would intentionally stifle an effective response seems at odds with their future goals. Barack Obama was in what appeared to be a tight race for reelection and Hillary Clinton was likely contemplating her current presidential bid. Neither had anything to gain and both had something to lose from this tragic event.
Further Reading
* Snopes: Benghazi Bungle
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp
* Explainer: A Year Of Benghazi Myths
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/11/explainer-a-year-of-benghazi-myths/195821
* Benghazi Timeline
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/
* GOP Report Acknowledges That The U.S. Military Couldn’t Have Changed Benghazi Outcome
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/02/11/3276171/gop-benghazi-military-hasc/
* A guide to GOP’s Benghazi obsession
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/06/opinion/kohn-benghazi-gop/
* Benghazi: A Comprehensive Guide
http://www.newsweek.com/benghazi-biopsy-comprehensive-guide-one-americas-worst-political-outrages-385853
http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/benghazi-attack-timeline-facts-and-myths
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A Clinton-Obsessed Conspiracy Theorist Is Behind Benghazi Lawsuit Against Hillary Clinton
Larry Klayman Has Previously Accused Clintons Of “Orchestrating The Murders Of Several Of Their Associates,” Claimed President Obama Was “Our First Muslim President”
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Clinton-obsessed conspiracy theorist, Larry Klayman, has filed a lawsuit on behalf of two of the families victimized by the September 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya.
.. continued..
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/08/clinton-obsessed-conspiracy-theorist-behind-benghazi-lawsuit-against-hillary-clinton/212252
See also:
Parents of 2 Americans Killed in Benghazi Sue Clinton
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Benghazi Committee Chair gives away the game
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Was Republican Benghazi Hearing America’s Most Embarrassing Moment?
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BUSTED: Republican Trey Gowdy Caught Using Private Email Server
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Clinton thanks Benghazi Committee for invaluable service to her campaign.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=117953384
dropdeadfred -- "Innocence of Muslims movie trailer"
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You are so full of fecal matter I can see why nothing makes it to your brain. There was no stand down order.
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This Is The Greatest Hillary Clinton Benghazi Reaction GIF Ever (IMAGE)
.. and if all that wasn't enough for Hillary .. LOLOL ..
The Night That Obama and Hillary Founded ISIS
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.. to wrap a final Benghazi tragedy present for the worst wingnuts who continue to give solace to Trump .. apologies to the board
for a feeling there is much redundancy in it, guess i'm stuck doing it for a summary of all the bs and for a relative one-stop link
to give to the most tedious of anti-Hillary Trump minions in future .. and it is another good one for historical purposes .. :)
June 16, 2016 Fact and Myth Benghazi
Claim: The Benghazi incident represents a once-in-a-generation tragedy in which a consulate was overrun and help, which was in large supply, was intentionally withheld (including a stand down order). This refusal of help goes all the way up the chain of command.
Fact: The Benghazi incident is a tragedy but is one of countless attacks on US diplomatic structures. What little help was available (which was slightly delayed for the sake of ensuring they weren’t walking into an ambush) was sent within 30 minutes of the attack. Eight separate investigations have been conducted, most of them merely confirming what the previous investigations concluded: that a lack of preparation is largely to blame, but there was no foul play nor refusal to send help. Existing allegations range from demonstrably false internet rumors (that air support was available) to the usual logical fallacies (like the hindsight bias of assuming that the State Department should have known the Benghazi attack was imminent, even though there were threats of attacks on multiple locations). The Benghazi saga appears to be at heart, a political movement.
[Kevin McCarthy Admits Benghazi Committee Formed to Beat Hillary Clinton]
About Benghazi
On September 11th, 2012, an American diplomatic mission in Benghazi (Libya) was attacked by over 150 armed gunmen .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Benghazi_attack . As a result, four Americans were killed and several others injured. With a presidential election only 2 months away, this became the basis for political attacks, spawning names like “Benghazi Gate” and rumors that included alleged stand down orders that prevented reinforcements from intervening; some even stating that Obama and few others watched live feeds of the attack unfolding. Both of these were based on unconfirmed hearsay, yet was repeated across right-leaning news sources as fact, leaving many on the right to claim that the “MSM” (news sources that generally avoid broadcasting unverified rumors as fact) was assisting in a cover up. Since these events occurred, several independent investigations have clarified the events that took place that night. While these reports do conclude that the State Department could have been far more proactive in beefing up the thin and questionable security at the Benghazi embassy, the various conspiracy rumors have been answered and quelled. Nevertheless, the idea that the Benghazi event is the source of a grand cover up persists along predictable partisan lines in part due to the continuing publication of arguments that have long been addressed in the various Benghazi investigations .. http://benghazicommittee.com/benghazi-by-the-numbers/ .
1. Republicans leaked altered versions of actual quotes .. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/wh-benghazi-emails-have-different-quotes-than-earlier-reported/ , leaving many to believe that the White House was covering up the facts
2. Fox News editorialized an unverified and anonymous statement that stand down orders were given (this was proven to be false, once it was known that CIA operatives arrived on the scene in less than 30 minutes .. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/11/new-detailed-account-of-benghazi-attack-notes-cias-quick-response/ .
3. As recently as November 2013, CBS interviewed a now-discredited “eye witness” (Dylan Davies–who so happened to be in process of publishing a book on the incident) .. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-asks-lara-logan-to-take-leave-after-flawed-benghazi-report/ .. whose claims contradicted those he gave the FBI prior to this interview (he subsequently admitted he was lying) .. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/03/cbs-eyewitness-admits-he-lied-about-benghazi-at/196725
4. The closest thing to a “stand down” order was an order to await more intelligence before allowing Paronto and his team to depart .. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/216787-key-dem-stand-down-order-in-benghazi-doesnt-match-congressional .. (this is largely the basis for the 13 Hours movie, whose narrative is at odds .. http://time.com/4178593/benghazi-movie-13-hours-accuracy-fact-check/ .. with the findings of the various Benghazi investigations.
Benghazi Myths
“The Benghazi attack represents a rare occurrence and/or precedent in attacks on US embassies.”
While this incident should not be downplayed by any means, it is not the first of its kind. Over the last 20 years there have been many such attacks .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_on_diplomatic_missions , some with even worse outcomes than the Benghazi incident. Why has Benghazi been so publicized while others (11 of which happened under George W Bush .. http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-2-132602-US-diplomatic-missions-attacked-at--least-44-times-in-52-years ) have gained very little attention? Probably because this one was 2 months before a presidential election (one in which many members of the opposition party had no qualm with publicizing rumors and misquotes). Again, the events that happened on 9/11/12 should be downplayed, but at the same time they should not be treated as a one-in-a-lifetime anomaly. Attacks like these have been more frequent than most people seem to realize.
Journalist Tom Ricks lays out this context when interviewed by Fox News.
“A stand down order prevented help from arriving.”
This claim (made by an anonymous source and publicized by Fox News) has been debunked since the early reports from the CIA (which arrived on the scene within 30 minutes). It also been debunked by the various independent reports.
* Report: Marine commander says no stand-down order in Benghazi attack
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/07/31/Report-Marine-commander-says-no-stand-down-order-in-Benghazi-attack/UPI-95121375252200/
* House Committee Report Is Latest To Refute Key Element Of Benghazi Hoax: No Stand Down Order Given
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/11/house-committee-report-is-latest-to-refute-key/198009
* Lawmakers: No ‘stand down’ order given in Benghazi attack
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/27/lawmakers-no-stand-down-order-given-benghazi/
“Nothing was done to suppress the attack in Benghazi (and available assets were not deployed).”
This has been disproved by the fact that assets were deployed. A CIA rescue team was on the scene within half an hour of being contacted .. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/david-ignatius-cias-benghazi-timeline-reveals-errors-but-no-evidence-of-conspiracy/2012/11/01/a84c4024-2471-11e2-9313-3c7f59038d93_story.html . According to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Report (PDF) .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/ssci-benghazi-report.pdf , Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta ordered two Marine Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams (or “FAST platoons”) to deploy from their base in Rota, Spain, to Libya, as well as two teams of special operations forces to Benghazi. But these forces arrived too late, as Americans had already been evacuated by previously deployed the CIA teams.
There are also a number of claims that certain assets (mostly warplanes) were not sent in. But most of these were out of range and/or not combat-ready. According to the House Armed Services Committee Report (PDF): http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/hasc-benghazi-report.pdf
The claim that AC-130’s were available during the Benghazi attack likely stems from the fact that such planes were available in Libya 18 months prior. It has been verified however, that these planes were not available on September 11, 2012.
The Department of Defense had no armed drones or manned aircraft prepared for combat readily available and nearby on September 11. Secretary Panetta told the Senate in February 2013 that armed Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs), AC-130 ground attack gunships, or other similar planes “were not in the vicinity.” Mr. Reid echoed this to the House Armed Services Committee in May 2013 when he declared “[g]iven the time and distance factors involved, dispatching an armed aircraft to Benghazi was not an option available to us at the time.”
As the result of a specific request from the committee, DOD accounted for the location of each of its AC-130 aircraft in the military’s inventory. DOD reported to the committee that no AC-130s were in the region in the days before the Benghazi attack, including for maintenance, crew rest, or merely transiting through the area. However, DOD also reported to the committee that some of these planes were deployed to “southern Europe” on September 14, in order “to support operations in North Africa.”
Similarly, the U.S. Air Force F-16 fighters stationed at Aviano, Italy at the time were configured for training flights.74 None were on combat alert.75 Furthermore, unlike typical preparations during the Cold War, NATO allies also had no planes on war-fighting status. This meant other nations could not offer combat aircraft to respond on behalf of the United States.
There is a misconception that AC-130’s were available within Libya during the Benghazi attack. While it’s difficult to pin down the original sources of this claim (for example, a Breitbart article makes certain claims based on what “reports say,” without mentioning the name or source of the report(s). The assumption that AC-130’s were available likely stems from the fact that these aircraft did play a role in Libya under Operation Odyssey Dawn in March of 2011, and the originators of this claim are merely assuming that the AC-130’s were still in Libya 18 months after Operation Odyssey Dawn.
Ambassador Thomas Pickering, Chair of the Benghazi Accountability Review Board (who also investigated the Benghazi incidents (see the ARB’s report (PDF) .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/arb-benghazi-report.pdf ), answers questions regarding the availability of US assets at the time.
Related to this is a misconception that Obama himself was not in communication. But Leon Panetta’s testimony states that he was in contact with Obama soon after being informed of the attacks. Obama instructed Panetta to attack with “all available DOD assets .. http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/07/us/panetta-benghazi-hearing/ .” Whatever one thinks of the response time of US forces, Americans were evacuated from the embassy and, along with the CIA Chief of Station, flown to safety.Another common mischaracterization of this event goes something like “Four Americans are dead and nobody did anything about it.” The belief here is that 4 Americans were simply left for dead, while no one helped. But in fact, two of those four Americans (Glen Doherty and Tyrone S. Woods .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Doherty#Fatalities_and_injuries ) were part of the security team who mounted a rescue and led an evacuation of compound.
“The Obama administration purposely blamed the attacks on insulting videos in order to avoid admitting this was a terrorist attack.”
In the aftermath of these attacks, there appears to have been some confusion/disagreement over whether this was a planned terrorist attack, or a sporadic response to a video that many Muslims found insulting .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dqHt6gsoxU . [embedded here]
Many on the right have criticized the Obama administration for labeling these attacks as a response to the video, as opposed to a planned terrorist attack (thereby not having to deal with the political fallout of a terrorist attack on his watch, 2 months before an election).
While it is entirely possible that the Administration was purposely going with the politically expedient explanation of a sporadic reaction to a video, there is ample evidence that the Intelligence Community itself was confused over which of these were correct. The SSCI and HASC reports appear to arrive at slightly different conclusions in regards to how well informed politicians should have been regarding the lack of protests. The SSCI report focuses on the Intelligence Community’s own fumbling of facts and misinterpretations (implying that the confusion among politicians at the time was understandable), whereas the HASC focuses specifically on General Ham’s own immediate belief that these attacks were planned and not a reaction to the YouTube video (implying the opposite–that politicians should have known better).
From the SSCI Report .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/ssci-benghazi-report.pdf
FINDING #9: In finished reports after September 11, 2012, intelligence analysts inaccurately referred to the presence of a protest at the Mission facility before the attack based on open source information and limited intelligence, but without sufficient intelligence or eyewitness statements to corroborate that assertion. The IC took too long to correct these erroneous reports, which caused confusion and influenced the public statements of policymakers.
The report also states…
In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, the IC received numerous reports, both classified and unclassified, which provided contradictory accounts that there were demonstrations at the Temporary Mission Facility. In some cases, these intelligence reports-which were disseminated widely in the Intelligence Community–contained references to press reports on protests that were simply copied into intelligence products. Other reporting indicated there were no protests.
As a result of evidence from closed circuit videos and other reports, the IC changed its assessment about a protest in classified intelligence reports on September 24, 2012, to state there were no demonstrations or protests at the Temporary Mission Facility prior to the attacks. This slow change in the official assessment affected the public statements of government officials, who continued to state i_n press interviews that there were protests outside the Mission compound.
From the HASC Report .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/hasc-benghazi-report.pdf
General Ham and others also reported to the committee that they readily believed the events in Benghazi to be an attack, not a protest against a YouTube video that had spun out of control. “It became pretty apparent to me, and I think to most at Africa Command pretty shortly after this attack began, that this was an attack,” General Ham said, although he also suggested that in his meeting with Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey there was some “peripheral” consideration about the underlying cause. “[I]initially it was somewhat uncertain to me,” he said. “But as the events unfolded,” and he learned from those on the ground about the enemy use of “rocket-propelled grenade[s]” and “pretty well aimed small arms fire” he said “it started to become pretty clear that this was certainly a terrorist attack and not just—not something sporadic.” He said he conveyed this assessment to Secretary Panetta and General Dempsey.
U.S. Marine Colonel George H. Bristol, who was the commander of Joint Special Operations Task Force – Trans Sahara in September 2012 and thus in communication with U.S. military personnel at the U.S. embassy in Tripoli, also briefed the committee. When he was asked, “did anyone in the military or anyone surrounding this event ever call [the events in Benghazi] anything but an attack?” he replied, “[n]ot that I remember.” To the specific question, in “any of the informal discussion[s] that you were a part of or had the ability to hear about, did anyone call this a demonstration that got out of control?” he answered “No.”
It is also worth noting that violent protests to the video were erupting throughout the Muslim world at this time .. http://theweek.com/article/index/233439/the-worldwide-protests-against-anti-islam-film-innocence-of-muslims-by-the-numbers , further adding to potential confusion.
“The State Department was negligent in addressing security concerns” and Hindsight Bias
In retrospect it appears pretty obvious that more could have been done to address the thin security at the Benghazi embassy. However, the assumption that the State Department should have known that an attack would happen specifically in Benghazi is an example of hindsight bias .. http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/news/releases/i-knew-it-all-along-didnt-i-understanding-hindsight-bias.html . Banghazi was only one of nearly 300 areas of concern. In the six months leading to September 11th, 2001, there were 281 threats to diplomats, embassies, diplomatic facilities, consulates, etc worldwide .. http://www.defense.gov/speeches/speech.aspx?speechid=1748 .
The SSCI report lists a number of a warnings in regards to a build up in Libya (including Benghazi) and does implicate the State Department as not being more proactive (though it adds caveats):
Despite the clearly deteriorating security situation in Benghazi and requests for additional security resources, few significant improvements were made by the State Department to the security posture of the Temporary Mission Facility. Although the Mission facility met the minimum personnel requirements ~or Diplomatic Security agents as accepted by the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli at the time of the August 15 EAC meeting (specifically, the three Diplomatic Security agents were assigned to guard the Mission compound), the Committee found no evidence that significant actions were taken by the State Department between August 15, 2012, and September 11, 2012, to increase security at the Mission facility in response to the concerns raised in that meeting.
According to the report of the ARB, “there appeared to be very real confusion over who, ultimately, was responsible and empowered to make decisions based on both policy and security concerns” at the State Department’s Bureau of Diplomatic Security, Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, and the Mission facility in Benghazi.
Additionally, the uncertain future of the Mission facility, due to its one-year expiration in December 2012, contributed to a lack of continuity for security staff and constrained decision-makers in Washington regarding the allocation of security enhancements to that facility.
Furthermore, the ARB report .. http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/arb-benghazi-report.pdf .. pointed out that certain security upgrades were implemented (even if they were insufficient in retrospect).
It is incumbent upon the Board, however, to acknowledge that several upgrades and repairs took place over 2012. DS provided additional funding for the Local Guard Force (LGF), February 17, and residential security upgrades, including heightening the outer perimeter wall, safety grills on safe area egress windows that helped save the life of ARSO 1 on the night of September 11, concrete jersey barriers, manual drop-arm vehicle barriers, a steel gate for the Villa C safe area, some locally manufactured steel doors, sandbag fortifications, security cameras, some additional security lighting, guard booths, and an Internal Defense Notification System.
“Hillary Clinton said “What difference does it make?””
This misquote had become an internet meme in itself. To anyone watching the Banghazi hearings the (actual) quote “What difference at this point does it make?” was rather benign, given that Clinton was addressing the wider and more important issue of the dead Americans. Nevertheless, this misquote has been passed around as if Hillary Clinton was asking “What difference does [the Banghazi incident] make?” and this is clearly not the case.
With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how the…
You can watch a larger version of the exchange here:
As unfortunate as his incident was, the “Benghazi scandal” appears to be one of the latest of many attacks on American diplomatic outposts. The conspiracy/cover-up claims have been debunked, though stronger security measures would have been a help. What the proponents of the idea that this was some intentionally negligent or outright ignored problem have yet to explain the upside to “allowing” this attack to take place. Predictably, this has obviously been a losing scenario for both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. The idea that they would intentionally allow this to happen makes little sense.
Curious Motives
The argument that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would intentionally stifle an effective response seems at odds with their future goals. Barack Obama was in what appeared to be a tight race for reelection and Hillary Clinton was likely contemplating her current presidential bid. Neither had anything to gain and both had something to lose from this tragic event.
Further Reading
* Snopes: Benghazi Bungle
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/benghazi.asp
* Explainer: A Year Of Benghazi Myths
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/11/explainer-a-year-of-benghazi-myths/195821
* Benghazi Timeline
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/
* GOP Report Acknowledges That The U.S. Military Couldn’t Have Changed Benghazi Outcome
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/02/11/3276171/gop-benghazi-military-hasc/
* A guide to GOP’s Benghazi obsession
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/06/opinion/kohn-benghazi-gop/
* Benghazi: A Comprehensive Guide
http://www.newsweek.com/benghazi-biopsy-comprehensive-guide-one-americas-worst-political-outrages-385853
http://www.factandmyth.com/benghazi/benghazi-attack-timeline-facts-and-myths
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A Clinton-Obsessed Conspiracy Theorist Is Behind Benghazi Lawsuit Against Hillary Clinton
Larry Klayman Has Previously Accused Clintons Of “Orchestrating The Murders Of Several Of Their Associates,” Claimed President Obama Was “Our First Muslim President”
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Clinton-obsessed conspiracy theorist, Larry Klayman, has filed a lawsuit on behalf of two of the families victimized by the September 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya.
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http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/08/08/clinton-obsessed-conspiracy-theorist-behind-benghazi-lawsuit-against-hillary-clinton/212252
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You are so full of fecal matter I can see why nothing makes it to your brain. There was no stand down order.
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This Is The Greatest Hillary Clinton Benghazi Reaction GIF Ever (IMAGE)
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