connix -- so who's this Allinsky you so admire? for the record, Marx and Alinsky have precious little if anything to do with my (and more than likely anyone else's here) views of things today -- I've never read any Alinsky as to me he's always seemed pretty much irrelevant, a nothing; the only Marx I've ever actually read closely was his (brilliant) "Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right" ( https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/Marx_Critique_of_Hegels_Philosophy_of_Right.pdf ), which I read along with Hegel's "[Elements of the] Philosophy of Right" ( http://socserv2.socsci.mcmaster.ca/econ/ugcm/3ll3/hegel/right.pdf , http://www.inp.uw.edu.pl/mdsie/Political_Thought/Hegel%20Phil%20of%20Right.pdf ) when studying philosophy back in college e.g. (linked in): http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=26706638 and preceding and following http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=27066404 and preceding and following http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=64444198 and preceding and following