Hi spdpro Thanks :o) Always like your view on the 400/25 Tickr . True it about reaction and timing . AND Patience for the set up and and and allowing not to get shaken out if price does back into BR etc. have to wait for it to really breach BR and if near good S/R. *** For with one did wait for a slight curl either at S/R or not then one has to wait for a sold breach . *** Thanks for the ES and TF contracts :o) and The cool snap shot !!! Hope all is well. Thanks again, CH